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Let's have a discussion about the new Mothership! ![[image loading]](http://starcraft2.judgehype.com/screenshots/database/portraits/Mothership.png)
First a disclaimer: I love Blizzard now! Their patch 2.0.2 is the best patch ever. For me HoTS has now officially become a worthy successor of BW.
One change in that patch however might be controversial, and that is a Mothership vortex redesign.
Personally I hated that with the old Mothership vortex, the whole game was often decided by just one spell. I think it was silly game design. It didn't look cool and was really boring from a spectator point of view. I am very happy that the vortex now does no do it anymore.
However I am also very excited about the new vortex! Just look at it, ha ha:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mAHCf.jpg)
Mothership is now officially the best humiliating unit in the game! It may be totally useless, but imagine how great it will be to BM your opponent by building a magnificent Mother-f*cking-ship and vortexing a zergling just before he/she GGs LOL! Imagine seeing this monster-of-BM-ship in one of the future GSL finals at the end of an intense and satisfying game!!!
BW had scouts used exclusively for show-off, but IMHO they looked quite bland and didn't convey the message as well as the epic Mothership now will! 
Now the pool:
Poll: Should the Mothership stay as a magnificent show-off / BM unit?Yes, it fits the role perfectly! :D (88) 50% No, it has to be redesigned as a useful unit (88) 50% 176 total votes Your vote: Should the Mothership stay as a magnificent show-off / BM unit? (Vote): Yes, it fits the role perfectly! :D
(Vote): No, it has to be redesigned as a useful unit
If you think that the Mothership should be a useful unit, please feel free to share your suggestions on how to change it. I'll later create a second pool with these suggestions.
If you think that the Mothership is good as is, let's discuss how to use it in the most humiliating way possible LOL! 
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Blizzard is just trolling with this new mothership and it seems like it's a successful troll because some people already complain about this change without even knowing Blizzard's intention in the first place.
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Make Mass recall recall your opponents units, and give it a dance XD
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I feel like no way will this be the final version of the mothership. It seems completely useless besides the cloaking field which isnt that useful
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On December 06 2012 23:11 raf3776 wrote:
I feel like no way will this be the final version of the mothership. It seems completely useless besides the cloaking field which isnt that useful
As I said above. They are trolling. They want to fade MS out of the game completely but it looks too cool so they just made it useless. It's not competitive unit. You build it when you play casually or when you want to BM.
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If they want the mothership to be a lowbie BM bullshit unit then they should just re add Purification and require it to take 200 energy and have a 15 second charge time along with a huge THIS MOTHERSHIP IS CHARGING animation.
It should also have a "The Protoss Has Built A Mothership" thing on the minimap.
There are ways to make things cool and make them useless at the same time
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Or I guess there may also be a third option. Leave the mothership as is for now. If in the future the need arises for protoss to deal with some particularly nasty stuff in the late game more cost efficiently, then slap a spell on mothership that will help with that particular situation If no such need arises, let the mothership be the greatest BM unit of all time
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Blizzard don't want mothership to be viable in competitive scene, has no one read about it????
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There is a difference between not viable in competitive scene, and completely pointless. Right now its ability is worse than other similar abilities (yamato, HSM, neural, etc).
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It's silly, the Mothership Core doesn't really scale into the lategame, so the Mothership should take this role, now it does not.
However I think the best solution is to scrap both the Core, the Mothership and give nexus recall.
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It is like Warcraft 3 TFT which had alot of heros really fun but mostly useless that you would pick when you felt very confident against your opponent as a first hero or that you could pick as 2nd or 3rd hero if you were winning the game. I loved it.
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They should give it the replicant ability. You should be able to give your opponent a copy of any unit that is currently in play. And then there should be a voice that says "due to wasting 'x's time," he has donated you "x" units to make the game more humorous for him and everyone but yourself." Yeah, that would show them what's up. Should follow that message up with instructions on how to uninstall the game.
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I'd say this vortex thing is just a placeholder for a future rework of the spell.
Maybe make the vortex spell out 'GG' in a future patch? :D
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I think it is a good idea that they want the mothership out of competetive games but there are better ways to do it. As it is with this patch I doubt even casuals playing BGH will bother with it, wich makes me wonder why it's still left in the game.
Give the mothership back the planetcracker, the old vortex and other flashy and over the top spells, and set the price to 1500/1500 or something similar, so the pros won't bother.
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On December 07 2012 00:41 ejozl wrote:
It's silly, the Mothership Core doesn't really scale into the lategame, so the Mothership should take this role, now it does not.
However I think the best solution is to scrap both the Core, the Mothership and give nexus recall.
^this. Scrap the mothership and give purify(old version with detection) and recall back to the nexus like they originally planned pre-beta. Why have a useless unit in the game when it can be avoided?
Sc2 is special because every unit, no matter where it is on the tech tree has a valid use in the lategame (bar some harras units)
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They should give mothership the planetcracker from the WoL Campaign... it has to sit still for a few minutes and channel, and then it kills everything on screen.
It would be awesome looking and lore-appropriate, while being utterly useless in any competitive game.
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I'm very okay with this mothership resdesign, but it still feels like msc is this sort of a weird gimmicky unit that only exists to fill gaps within Protoss design, and that's one of the main units for Protoss in HOTS. I still can't tell how I feel about it, especially now that it's upgraded version is intended to be silly while the core version is likely to be considered nearly essential.
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On December 07 2012 00:57 Piousflea wrote:
They should give mothership the planetcracker from the WoL Campaign... it has to sit still for a few minutes and channel, and then it kills everything on screen.
It would be awesome looking and lore-appropriate, while being utterly useless in any competitive game.
Planetcracker was so cool, +1, I'd love to see the opposing player make a choice: 1.) engage the Protoss army or 2.) stop the mothership from planetcracking my main!
Epic moments would be made possible, for sure :D
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On December 07 2012 00:30 ETisME wrote:
Blizzard don't want mothership to be viable in competitive scene, has no one read about it????
Judging by the pool so far: almost two thirds have read it and agree with it ^_^
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Hopefully the Mothershipcore will be phased out the same way, it's such a lame unit.
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