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edit: This has kind of been discussed to death, and here are some of the conclusions drawn:
It might do a tad too much damage
It's about the same effectiveness as a cloaked banshee or blue flame hellion drop
It's gas cost, range, and fragility make up for it's damage
It still has some utility later in the game if your harass gets completely blocked
It gives Protoss a much needed harass option
So here's a VOD of a match I managed to get in before the servers went down, highlighting the Oracle changes and how crazy strong they are. Note: my build wasn't even optimized for this and I was severely distracted by the fact that group chat is unable to be hidden while in game (at least currently, probably one of the many reasons the servers went down so fast).
http://www.twitch.tv/krazytrumpeter05/b/345664899?t=13m25s
For those who can't watch for whatever reason, I fly 3 Oracles into Zerg's mineral line at about 11:30 (could you imagine if I rushed for them? lol) and destroy like 15 drones in a matter of seconds and then get two queen kills, losing only a single Oracle due to some sloppiness on my part.
Anyway, thoughts? Is it really too strong? I just feel like they kill workers way too fast compared to a flock of Mutas or a drop of stimmed marines, especially considering this was only 3 oracles (450 gas cost)
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WHOA!
what the hell!
that's waaaaay crazier than before.
Flux Vanes Void Rays alright....
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Yeah, I mean, the guy didn't have any defenses and had slow reaction time, but damn. Those workers died FAST, and then the oracles STILL had enough energy to take out 2 queens.
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can it attack buildings anymore?
I feel like early sporecrawler is a must
but at the rate of which it kills workers, people might just suicide them in to rape mineral lines....
Not sure I like this either.
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They sure kill workers fast, but not faster than equivalent cost stimmed marine drops or hellion drops. And unlike drops, 2 or three spore crawlers / turrets / photon canons will shut down Oracle harass easily.
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Yes, it can still attack buildings, but only does 15 damage vs buildings now.
I'm not sure if suiciding them is the best idea. They DO cost 150 gas, after all.
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might need two spore crawlers if you scout early stargate
considering that tempest rush is much harder to do now, early star would just mean phoenix oracles.
I wonder how strong they are against marines....
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That is crazy ... sure they go through a lot of energy in the process, BUT that is a silly excuse for being OP.
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On December 06 2012 16:05 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I feel like early sporecrawler is a must
Void Rays with Prismatic.
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On December 06 2012 16:18 Rabiator wrote:
That is crazy ... sure they go through a lot of energy in the process, BUT that is a silly excuse for being OP.
It's a hard brake. Compare the timing to Hellion arrivals - and Hellions don't run out of energy. Then compare them to Marine drops. The gas commitment in either case isn't what you require in order to field a single Oracle. Oracles are good, but only so good - and their beam doesn't benefit from upgrades, does it?
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On December 06 2012 16:06 Empirimancer wrote:
They sure kill workers fast, but not faster than equivalent cost stimmed marine drops or hellion drops. And unlike drops, 2 or three spore crawlers / turrets / photon canons will shut down Oracle harass easily.
Oracle doesn't need to drop anything, they just fly in and fly out, which is far faster and easier.
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They're fragile and have short range, so they don't work well in deathballs. And you have to be sure you're not caught with that precious harass unit.
If you have just 5 marines... you can fend one off. Compare that with the banshee, where you can cloak and infinitely kite marines. Oracle is a different harass unit though; it has interesting abilities and is faster, so it harasses in its own way. It can fly in and pick off marines as they build, unlike banshees (because banshees can't run away from marines if they get a surround on you)
Also don't you think these air units need to be GREAT at harassing? Otherwise they will just die to a straight up fight.
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On December 06 2012 16:20 Crawdad wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 16:05 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I feel like early sporecrawler is a must Void Rays with Prismatic.
That only does bonus damage vs armored. Unless...hrm, are buildings armored? o_O Something I should definitely know.
On December 06 2012 16:31 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
They're fragile and have short range, so they don't work well in deathballs. And you have to be sure you're not caught with that precious harass unit.
If you have just 5 marines... you can fend one off. Compare that with the banshee.
Also don't you think these air units need to be GREAT at harassing? Otherwise they will just die to a straight up fight.
Hmmm, maybe. It all depends on where the balance is struck between catering to high level games where players are much more map aware and less likely to take horrible damage to some Oracle harass, and Johnny Noobzerg with 30 APM screaming about how imba Oracles are. I think Blizzard has made their stance on this sort of thing fairly clear, but maybe they will surprise us.
I'll have to play a lot more games tomorrow to really get a feel for them, I think. I'll make sure to stream/record everything, too.
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I watched that video and your opponent did nothing, that video is proof that new units throw people off and that's it. He could of pulled workers and got his queens together, instead he did absolutely nothing.
If 3 banshees show up and you don't repond, your workers melt. 5 Mutas show up, your mineral line will melt.
Edit: Jonny Noobzerg needs mutas or spores then.
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seems about the same as banshee. except they can't kill spores.
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On December 06 2012 16:37 KingFool wrote:
seems about the same as banshee. except they can't kill spores.
They can still attack buildings
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oracle + zealots might work well together now either as a timing attack or as a early/mid army in some matchups.
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Oh shit, it's like a banshee without cloak!
...That relies on energy to attack..
I'm sorry, what is the big issue here again?
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On December 06 2012 16:33 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
That only does bonus damage vs armored. Unless...hrm, are buildings armored? o_O Something I should definitely know.
Yes, they are. But Queens aren't, so there is still a counter.
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On December 06 2012 17:08 Crawdad wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 16:33 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
That only does bonus damage vs armored. Unless...hrm, are buildings armored? o_O Something I should definitely know.
Yes, they are. But Queens aren't, so there is still a counter.
oracle stalker
oracle kills lings, stalkers kill everything else
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