[D] Oracle changes seem overly powerful - Page 17

On December 20 2012 07:11 NonameAI wrote:
Yep. I played an unranked game and went mass oracle against a terran, and he just left, because his turrets got decimated, and he couldnt leave his base all game because 4+ oracles kills a turret in seconds. And then it takes half a second to shred all the workers. And it is actually an insanely powerful fighting unit, so if you mass oracle against Z, he can no longer attack you and win, because your pulser beam decimates hydras. Oracle is just impossible to beat.

On December 20 2012 07:11 NonameAI wrote:
Yep. I played an unranked game and went mass oracle against a terran, and he just left, because his turrets got decimated, and he couldnt leave his base all game because 4+ oracles kills a turret in seconds. And then it takes half a second to shred all the workers. And it is actually an insanely powerful fighting unit, so if you mass oracle against Z, he can no longer attack you and win, because your pulser beam decimates hydras. Oracle is just impossible to beat.

On December 15 2012 06:03 Treehead wrote:
What distresses me about the Oracle is that it isn't just supply efficient or "numbers" efficient against hydras. It's very nearly cost efficient. Consider:

Oracle
150/150/3
160 health
29.1 dps

2 Hydralisk
200/100/4
160 health
28.9 dps

This is probably okay because Oracles are so hard to get in decent numbers (and all other non-splash units are terrible against hydras), because gas is so precious, and because zerg can get a large number of hydras so quickly. In other words, this isn't unlike the relationship between banshees and stalkers, where stalkers are technically worse per cost than banshees, but they're just so much easier to get that it doesn't matter. But still, I'm quite surprised they made a harassment-based unit capable of this. Would it be so hard to give them a bonus to damage (vs workers) instead of (vs light) - I know it requires adding a new keyword to the game... but do we want early air units to be reasonable against marines and hydras.

Looking at the banshee, maybe we do?

but do we want early air units to be reasonable against marines and hydras.

On December 20 2012 07:51 ZjiublingZ wrote:


Replay or it's hard to get any value from your statement. You can say the same thing about mass Banshees, but we all know that doesn't work.

On December 20 2012 08:35 Cyro wrote:


Um yes, thats kinda why protoss air is never used in WOL.

On December 20 2012 08:41 NonameAI wrote:

W/e ignore my arguement then, cuz i cant find it. This was right when they implemented the new pulsar beam.


But reasonable is no reason to make it overpowered

On December 20 2012 10:45 ZjiublingZ wrote:


But who says it's overpowered? All you have is some game as "proof" it's OP, but nobody has seen the game but you. Like I said before, you could make the same statement you did about Banshees, but because of practical in game reasons we know it's not actually a legitimate concern.