• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:44
CEST 19:44
KST 02:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202518Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder2EWC 2025 - Replay Pack2Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced29BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update Serral wins EWC 2025 #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 EWC 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Shield Battery Server New Patch BW General Discussion [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
UK Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 695 users

HotS balance update #8 - Page 79

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 HotS
2296 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 77 78 79 80 81 115 Next
Earawen
Profile Joined February 2011
France51 Posts
December 06 2012 18:31 GMT
#1561
On December 07 2012 03:09 osmanic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 02:49 SHODAN wrote:


This was my reaction to patch update #8


oh my god i can't stop laughing :D

thank you good sir!


and i remember that i played vs you, you are mid-master terran on EU :p


OH MY I cant stop laughing either. Plz edit the news and put that video at the end. it is epic !
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
December 06 2012 18:33 GMT
#1562
On December 07 2012 01:11 kaNt- wrote:
This changes are against toss.
Mutalisk is one of the main problems in WoL, and now they are buffing the mutas? They are pretty fast in WoL, honestly i don´t think they need a speed buff and toss still does not have an effective way to deal with mutas, tempest are not a solution. The medivac speed buff is ridiculous, now drops are going to be incredibly powerful, even more mobility to terran? Really?

I fell that the dark shrine buff is not a big benefit, the main problem with the dark shrine in WoL is the requiered time to build, a 100 seconds is way too much, and DTs in late game are crap, if the opponent is decent and gets enough detection.
I think archons need a buff, they cost too much and they are killed very easily with EMP, fungal, speedlings surround, etc. Archons are not useful in late game except for archon toilets.

The carrier needs a buff like Liquid´Nony proposed, a "micro requiered" buffed carrier to deal with late game compositions (especially BL, festor).

Stalkers in late game are so weak for the cost and they die pretty fast. They need a slight buff to be more viable in late game.



maybe toss wont even make stalkers late game any more except for mobility/harass

instead zlot/immortal/sentry backed up by temps, oracles and an air unit of your choice

sounds way way sexyer anyways

i wish they would make immortals cost 3 supply :o
mrgetdown
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom3 Posts
December 06 2012 18:34 GMT
#1563
Goodlord the Medivac change is silly!! I though marines standing up against 3 cleaves from an ultralisk was silly. But now oO marins and marauders will just laugh, ultras are gonna be redundant if the game even goes that long 2 pronges double medivac from behind zerg minerial line, lol, I see 90% of Zerg GGing just from GGdrops
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
December 06 2012 18:36 GMT
#1564
Reddit seemed to show a video where Tyler's carrier leash micro addition was put in place 2.0.2. Can anyone confirm/deny?
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Crawdad
Profile Joined September 2012
614 Posts
December 06 2012 18:39 GMT
#1565
On December 07 2012 03:36 Crownlol wrote:
Reddit seemed to show a video where Tyler's carrier leash micro addition was put in place 2.0.2. Can anyone confirm/deny?


Yes, check out the "Carrier Micro Has Arrived" thread. It's back in.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
December 06 2012 18:41 GMT
#1566
On December 07 2012 03:34 mrgetdown wrote:
Goodlord the Medivac change is silly!! I though marines standing up against 3 cleaves from an ultralisk was silly. But now oO marins and marauders will just laugh, ultras are gonna be redundant if the game even goes that long 2 pronges double medivac from behind zerg minerial line, lol, I see 90% of Zerg GGing just from GGdrops

Ultras will now laugh at marines. Doing the full 35(Instead of just the 20 or 15 before) damage to them it doesn't matter how good medivacs are. Ultra's are going to obliterate marines(And rightfully so).

Drops are going to be a pain. But I think this is a good thing, it will encourage more multi tasking like more then one drop at a time will be really strong with juiced up medivacs late game. All in all with these changes I really think they are actively working towards less death balls. Not needing as many Medivacs in your core bio army means you can split up more easily. Oracles being able to rape mineral lines ezpz, pheonix range buff etc for Toss. Zerg getting lots of mobility buffs and nerfing the shit out of infesters so we should see less and less infester BL deathballs.

Some of the changes may be a bit extreme, but I really, really like the direction they are going and think these changes could help out a lot in dealing with boring deathball army clashes into one side GG
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
December 06 2012 18:46 GMT
#1567
On December 07 2012 03:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 03:34 mrgetdown wrote:
Goodlord the Medivac change is silly!! I though marines standing up against 3 cleaves from an ultralisk was silly. But now oO marins and marauders will just laugh, ultras are gonna be redundant if the game even goes that long 2 pronges double medivac from behind zerg minerial line, lol, I see 90% of Zerg GGing just from GGdrops

Ultras will now laugh at marines. Doing the full 35(Instead of just the 20 or 15 before) damage to them it doesn't matter how good medivacs are. Ultra's are going to obliterate marines(And rightfully so).

Drops are going to be a pain. But I think this is a good thing, it will encourage more multi tasking like more then one drop at a time will be really strong with juiced up medivacs late game. All in all with these changes I really think they are actively working towards less death balls. Not needing as many Medivacs in your core bio army means you can split up more easily. Oracles being able to rape mineral lines ezpz, pheonix range buff etc for Toss. Zerg getting lots of mobility buffs and nerfing the shit out of infesters so we should see less and less infester BL deathballs.

Some of the changes may be a bit extreme, but I really, really like the direction they are going and think these changes could help out a lot in dealing with boring deathball army clashes into one side GG



Freaking, good. Awesome. Marines shouldn't stand up to Ultras, and a 200/00 Ultra/Bane/Hydra army is so much Zergier than Ughlord/Winfestor. These changes rock so hard.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
ThirdDegree
Profile Joined February 2011
United States329 Posts
December 06 2012 18:46 GMT
#1568
I'm worried about how us toss are going to deal with late game zerg, and I already have enough trouble with terran, but I'm always hopeful with major patches. Gives me hope that Blizz is really working at getting a balanced game.

I am worried that medivacs will be way too strong. I'd rather see the upgrade increase healing from 3hp/s to 5hp/s but still make it so the energy drained per hp is the same. Either that, or make the boosters require some energy so that you can't just spam it all over the place.
I am terrible
Berceno
Profile Joined May 2012
Spain401 Posts
December 06 2012 18:48 GMT
#1569
beta servers still down...
protoss living in da ghetto
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
December 06 2012 18:48 GMT
#1570
On December 07 2012 03:14 Larkin wrote:
Medivac change seems like it will make the first 2 medivac timing push super strong, and make dealing with drops a lot harder without banelings.


Nobody is going to do a 2-Medivac timing with the upgrade. You need a techlab on the starport and the upgrade takes 110 seconds to research. In that time you could've made six medivacs from a reactored starport. Any timing with that upgrade would hit waaay too late and you're better off just making more medivacs in the midgame.
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
December 06 2012 18:49 GMT
#1571
when excatly are they going to be up again? does anyone know?
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
December 06 2012 18:50 GMT
#1572
This sort of seems like they are taking the Dota approach to balance the game by making several key units pretty OP on all races, and hoping the OP balances out. I would expect quite a few balance patches following this, but I'm glad they are trying to REALLY shake up the game and make it feel like a new experience with a lot more options.

I'm glad Blizzard is being aggressive about this.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
December 06 2012 18:54 GMT
#1573
On December 07 2012 03:50 HardlyNever wrote:
This sort of seems like they are taking the Dota approach to balance the game by making several key units pretty OP on all races, and hoping the OP balances out. I would expect quite a few balance patches following this, but I'm glad they are trying to REALLY shake up the game and make it feel like a new experience with a lot more options.

I'm glad Blizzard is being aggressive about this.


I prefer to call it the "BW approach to balance"
MMA: The true King of Wings
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10340 Posts
December 06 2012 18:54 GMT
#1574
On December 07 2012 03:16 stichtom wrote:
The new AI is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!


Holy shit that's what you meant by AI! Holy fuck that's awesome!
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
mahO
Profile Joined April 2011
France274 Posts
December 06 2012 18:54 GMT
#1575
So there we go, Life, becoming the best player at the moment, and Leenock, who always was one of the most talented players in Korea since early seasons of GSL, convinced those idiots that Zerg is sooo op, so lets nerf the range of fungal (I agree with that one), lets make it projectile (make forcefields projectile and I'll agree), and lets give medivacs an insane buff, I mean, they're just stupid, they'll realize that "oh, yeah right, every zerg isnt Leenock, damn they dropped 8% in winrates, fuck, lets change that back to a barely balanced game, even tho poorly designed". No matter how well the esport scene might promote and sell the game, they will kill it eventually, thought I'd never say that, but they just keep doing the same mistakes and act like this game doesnt need hardwork, just enough so they can sell expansions, tired of it
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25277 Posts
December 06 2012 18:55 GMT
#1576
On December 07 2012 03:50 HardlyNever wrote:
This sort of seems like they are taking the Dota approach to balance the game by making several key units pretty OP on all races, and hoping the OP balances out. I would expect quite a few balance patches following this, but I'm glad they are trying to REALLY shake up the game and make it feel like a new experience with a lot more options.

I'm glad Blizzard is being aggressive about this.

Why is that a good approach? I don't know how they can get good feedback about these changes, because SO much has changed at once?

I like them being radical, but why not address the design flaws? Why not take a look at warpgate again for example if you're showing such a willingness to improve the game radically?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10340 Posts
December 06 2012 18:55 GMT
#1577
Wait, NEW GAME MODE (unofficial)???

Instead of playing 1v1, you have a 4v4 with all AI and you control them
Kekek
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
December 06 2012 18:56 GMT
#1578
On December 07 2012 01:43 Eufouria wrote:
The medivac seems way too buffed. It seems like its a change designed to make bio more resistant to AoE damage so a bio army can actually engage late deathballs but its such a buff to early-mid game timings and drop play. Maybe if they turn it into a fusion core upgrade it can then be balanced around late game, which should be easier, although I still think it will probably make drop play too good.


It's not a buff to any early or mid game timings. The upgrade is on a tech lab which in itself negates any "timings" you could do with this because you:

a) won't have the medivac count for "timings" since no reactored starport
b) you have to research the upgrade first

It's an upgrade geared towards making bio stronger in late game engagements, which was something Terran was lacking with bio vs Protoss/Zerg in Wings of Liberty.
Sup
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
December 06 2012 18:57 GMT
#1579
I dont understand the medivac changes. Medivac drops were already brutal to deal with before, but now they heal twice as fast (remember how many lings it took to fend off a drop before? now lings will NEVER fend off a drop) and can essentially get away from any unit in the game with speed boost. The other changes I am willing to try playing with, but that medivac change is absurd.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25277 Posts
December 06 2012 18:59 GMT
#1580
On December 07 2012 03:56 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 01:43 Eufouria wrote:
The medivac seems way too buffed. It seems like its a change designed to make bio more resistant to AoE damage so a bio army can actually engage late deathballs but its such a buff to early-mid game timings and drop play. Maybe if they turn it into a fusion core upgrade it can then be balanced around late game, which should be easier, although I still think it will probably make drop play too good.


It's not a buff to any early or mid game timings. The upgrade is on a tech lab which in itself negates any "timings" you could do with this because you:

a) won't have the medivac count for "timings" since no reactored starport
b) you have to research the upgrade first

It's an upgrade geared towards making bio stronger in late game engagements, which was something Terran was lacking with bio vs Protoss/Zerg in Wings of Liberty.

How is it working to that effect in terms of big engagements? It sounds like it'll mitigate say, Collosi or fungals wiping out everything too quickly and cutting the DPS of your bio to nothing so that it gets mopped up.

In terms of bio/medivac drops, I just have this horrible image of marines behind mineral lines being unkillable by small groups of Zerg units haha. Actually perhaps 'horrible' is not the right word
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Prev 1 77 78 79 80 81 115 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV European League
16:00
Round 5
WardiTV711
TKL 270
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 398
TKL 270
Hui .260
UpATreeSC 85
BRAT_OK 84
MindelVK 32
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1611
Mini 1067
EffOrt 609
Larva 334
Dewaltoss 143
Snow 129
Mind 95
soO 58
Aegong 38
Movie 32
[ Show more ]
PianO 30
sas.Sziky 24
Terrorterran 13
Dota 2
qojqva4187
Counter-Strike
fl0m4362
olofmeister821
sgares315
Super Smash Bros
Liquid`Ken93
Other Games
singsing1662
B2W.Neo469
Lowko268
Trikslyr78
QueenE68
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH193
• davetesta30
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 6044
League of Legends
• Nemesis4193
• Jankos1133
• TFBlade1087
Other Games
• imaqtpie736
• Shiphtur307
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
6h 17m
OSC
18h 47m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
22h 17m
The PondCast
1d 16h
Online Event
1d 22h
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Online Event
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
Yuqilin POB S2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.