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On December 06 2012 11:50 -TesteR- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 11:29 SarcasmMonster wrote:On December 06 2012 11:27 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On December 06 2012 10:55 CelestialX wrote: Lmfao this is so stupid, now terrans just get ravens in tvt and snipe every tank and there goes the use of positional play in tvt. Good point. But dont you usually have vikings anyway TvT? If not maybe something weird like can't hit mechanic units. Just think of them as Spawn Broodling ability from BW, vs tanks anways. It's probably not that big of a deal but we'll see. It's not that big of a deal at all. SINGLE target, for that much energy; not like they will be massing 15 ravens. + Show Spoiler + Wouldn't it be cool if this strat ends up being pioneered by Woongjin Terrans?
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Dark Shrine 100 gas? Are they insane? It's nice that they are changing Vortex but...I don't think the Tempest is still a good enough replacement, yet. And still no Carrier love? Really????
Terran changes: HOLY SHIT INSANITY!!! Will have to see how they play out, but I think it's a very good first step.
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anyone know the needed download % to play the patch?
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Dislike the Vortex change. Not sure about the Void Ray redesign (not much of a redesign).
Terran changes are good.
I think they overnerfed Infested Terrans (no bonus from missile and armor upgrades) TBH. Yes, they were OP in WoL but this is HotS. Thanks to the Tempest (on Protoss side), Infestor + BL isn't that OP. On the Terran side, thanks to like the bajillion buffs Terran got, Infestors aren't OP either.
I think Infested Terrans should get missile and armor upgrades again.
Also, I don't see why Ultralisk's burrow charge got removed. It didn't seem OP.
The Tempest is now a capital ship again.... they need to increase the scale from 0.9 to 1 again!
Raven's new missile is redundant with Yamato. I mean, it'll be more useful I guess in a way (it has longer range and can be used to take down nearly every unit with one cast) but I liked the concept of the old seeker missile better.
So they made it more practical but more boring.
Also I don't see "Added Reaver with hold fire and weapons free to Protoss" yet.
Overall besides the Zerg nerf to Infested Terran and the still underused(?) Ultralisk (which I say is unneeded due to the massive buffs to the other races in HotS, again this isn't WoL), the Vortex change (unneeded IMO... as a random player, I'm being a bit bias but going up against Vortex as Zerg was worth it to be able to use Vortex when I get to play as Protoss >.>), and the lack of Reaver.... overall a good patch.
(Edit) To Clarify - about Vortex. Honestly, Vortex wasn't as much as a game changing spell compared to Fungal in WoL. In HotS, it's less of a problem because Zerg doesn't rely exclusively on BL + Infestor anymore.
There were several ways to counter Vortex in WoL and I rarely saw games where it decided on one spell: *Spread out BL *Use spine crawlers (which is common with pro players) to block archon's path (basically have crawlers move with BL).
I forgot the game but in IEM in one Grubby's game (I think), it really showed Mothership promoting an active play.
IMO, Vortex should stay as it is in WoL. I like how they didn't completely remove it but it didn't need to be changed.
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People missing the point that with the new vortex, Protoss now has the single best BM in-game ceremony of any race
Its true. I'd go so far as to say this ceremony is OP in BMness.
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On December 06 2012 11:52 Nightshade_ wrote: anyone know the needed download % to play the patch? low 20s i think.
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Wow these changes are awesome i really hope this takes some heat away from Dustin Browder. Just when the criticism seemed to be its highest ever. He throws this at everybody saying we really do listen to the community.
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On December 06 2012 11:50 -TesteR- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 11:29 SarcasmMonster wrote:On December 06 2012 11:27 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On December 06 2012 10:55 CelestialX wrote: Lmfao this is so stupid, now terrans just get ravens in tvt and snipe every tank and there goes the use of positional play in tvt. Good point. But dont you usually have vikings anyway TvT? If not maybe something weird like can't hit mechanic units. Just think of them as Spawn Broodling ability from BW, vs tanks anways. It's probably not that big of a deal but we'll see. It's not that big of a deal at all. SINGLE target, for that much energy; not like they will be massing 15 ravens. + Show Spoiler +
It does seem EXTREMELY situational right now (in theory-crafting land) but since it's free, maybe it'll still be alright.
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On December 06 2012 11:52 da_head wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 11:52 Nightshade_ wrote: anyone know the needed download % to play the patch? low 20s i think.
doesn't matter the server is still down
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It's times like these, I'm glad get 7mb down.
Looking forward to beating medivac drops away with a stick. Yeah it may end up being imbalanced, but we may we see a wild swing in the meta game and that's going to be a pretty cool wave to ride. It's the beta folks, lap it up, even if you are getting pounded in the process.
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Does Ravens HSM set off Immortal Shields?
It could be a way of dealing with mass immortal.
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On December 06 2012 08:26 blade55555 wrote: Like zerg changes 35 flat damage all the time is nice and viper health increase I won't complain :D.
Seeker missile with 300 damage holy shit lol that will be interesting.
without splash it's pretty much a yamato, what is blizzard thinking?
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On December 06 2012 11:55 ZjiublingZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 11:52 da_head wrote:On December 06 2012 11:52 Nightshade_ wrote: anyone know the needed download % to play the patch? low 20s i think. doesn't matter the server is still down  yea
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On December 06 2012 08:58 LOLItsRyann wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:57 Laryleprakon wrote: This patch is going to get so many people playing the BETA which will be awesome. Which goes live when? WHEN DOES THE PATCH GO LIVE! O_O oo god when does this come out
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On December 06 2012 11:55 Qikz wrote: Does Ravens HSM set off Immortal Shields?
It could be a way of dealing with mass immortal.
All spells/abilities ignore Hardened Shields.
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On December 06 2012 11:57 ZjiublingZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 11:55 Qikz wrote: Does Ravens HSM set off Immortal Shields?
It could be a way of dealing with mass immortal. All spells/abilities ignore Hardened Shields.
Excellent. Can't wait to try out ravens with my mech now <333
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I really like the Infestor nerf. But my one concern is that making it a projectile doesn't fix chain fungalling--maybe Blink Stalkers can escape between fungals, but basically every other unit will still be vulnerable. I'd like them to also consider either raising the energy cost to 100, or reducing the duration 3 seconds, either one of which would significantly reduce Zerg's ability to keep enemy armies locked down with chain fungals.
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I personally wish the carrier was done away with. I always thought the arbiter was imbalanced in BW and thought it was silly for there to not be a limit to how many you could make. Now, given the troll change to vortex, I'm curious as to what the game would either look like with a limit on arbiters or the mothership having stasis, plus moving a lot faster than it currently does.
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On December 06 2012 11:57 HerbMon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:58 LOLItsRyann wrote:On December 06 2012 08:57 Laryleprakon wrote: This patch is going to get so many people playing the BETA which will be awesome. Which goes live when? WHEN DOES THE PATCH GO LIVE! O_O oo god when does this come out
the patch is live, you can download it now, but the sever is still down
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i actually hoped that if they wanted to buff muta play they would have nerfed the thor a little bit
meh can't have everything i guess
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