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Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
November 08 2012 23:06 GMT
#101
On November 09 2012 01:18 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 22:41 Grumbels wrote:
On November 08 2012 21:32 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 08 2012 21:17 kamikami wrote:
Why no Bisu ? (((

Because he is pretty bad in SC2 from what I've heard.

Rain is the new Bisu. Nobody will notice the difference.


He's not. See recent OSL.


ok you win xD
Liquid'Nony: "I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok."
LOLItsRyann
Profile Joined April 2011
England551 Posts
November 09 2012 00:39 GMT
#102
Are there any VODS of yesterday?
EG<3
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 09 2012 09:20 GMT
#103
Finally, the VODs from day 1 are out!

http://www.gomtv.net/gomstage/vod/71293
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
UmbeXCII
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy69 Posts
November 09 2012 10:31 GMT
#104
On November 09 2012 18:20 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Finally, the VODs from day 1 are out!

http://www.gomtv.net/gomstage/vod/71293

Thank you!
Couldn't wait for them
gCgCrypto
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany297 Posts
November 09 2012 13:02 GMT
#105
is there eny way to check the results?
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
November 09 2012 14:12 GMT
#106
nestea has been a progamer for the better half of a millennium and he still has to wear an ugly purple lanyard at a KeSPA event?
get rich or die mining
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gCgCrypto
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany297 Posts
November 09 2012 14:44 GMT
#107
Just watched Day 1 VODs. Game 1 between MvP and Rain is really really nice. I hope something like this might become the metagame.
the other 2 Games were really bad though =/
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 09 2012 14:50 GMT
#108
On November 09 2012 23:44 gCgCrypto wrote:
Just watched Day 1 VODs. Game 1 between MvP and Rain is really really nice. I hope something like this might become the metagame.
the other 2 Games were really bad though =/

Probably because of the NesTea... :D

But now, seriously, it seems that he doesn't know how to use the new units. And Rain was pretty good with his Oracles. ^^
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
November 09 2012 14:54 GMT
#109
This is cool. I can't wait until I have some time to watch.
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gCgCrypto
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany297 Posts
November 09 2012 14:58 GMT
#110
On November 09 2012 23:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 23:44 gCgCrypto wrote:
Just watched Day 1 VODs. Game 1 between MvP and Rain is really really nice. I hope something like this might become the metagame.
the other 2 Games were really bad though =/

Probably because of the NesTea... :D

But now, seriously, it seems that he doesn't know how to use the new units. And Rain was pretty good with his Oracles. ^^


I agree, just didnt want to say it like this to not possibly spoil enything I also feel that Rains use of Oracles in both the PvT and PvZ was amazing, constantly slowing Units to buy Time or slow the economy.
Was very fun to watch ^^^
Nestea seemed to not really know what to do.

CANT WAIT FOR JAEDONG though =) so hyped! gogogo 2:0!
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
Buchan
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada184 Posts
November 09 2012 21:57 GMT
#111
After watching Rain use the mothership core and oracle it seems like bio TvP is dead in HoTS. With purify and recall Protoss is literally always in position and can defend anything. Also time warp plus storms = good bye bio ball. And mech is immobile and shitty as ever. RIP terran.
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
November 09 2012 22:15 GMT
#112
On November 10 2012 06:57 Buchan wrote:
After watching Rain use the mothership core and oracle it seems like bio TvP is dead in HoTS. With purify and recall Protoss is literally always in position and can defend anything. Also time warp plus storms = good bye bio ball. And mech is immobile and shitty as ever. RIP terran.



awesome dude...your complaining about balance when they are still at the begining stages of beta.
n00b1n8R
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia45 Posts
November 09 2012 22:19 GMT
#113
I thought the games (only watched Day 1 so far) were great. New units being viable, interesting plays across the map, less blobby. I was really quite surprised.
Buchan
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada184 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-09 22:25:17
November 09 2012 22:24 GMT
#114
On November 10 2012 07:15 SuperYo1000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 06:57 Buchan wrote:
After watching Rain use the mothership core and oracle it seems like bio TvP is dead in HoTS. With purify and recall Protoss is literally always in position and can defend anything. Also time warp plus storms = good bye bio ball. And mech is immobile and shitty as ever. RIP terran.



awesome dude...your complaining about balance when they are still at the begining stages of beta.
Just because it's early doesn't mean I can't complain. Terran is getting 1 new unit in HoTS while Zerg and Protoss are getting several game changing abilities and units.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 09 2012 22:27 GMT
#115
On November 10 2012 07:19 n00b1n8R wrote:
I thought the games (only watched Day 1 so far) were great. New units being viable, interesting plays across the map, less blobby. I was really quite surprised.


One of the main issues with SC2 that caused the death ball is that we can control an entire army on one screen. That was less possible on BW, just because the game was on a different scale. By making units that don't work well at short ranges or need to be set up before hand, it remove the benifit of balling them up.

I am more excited about HotS the more I see pros do cool stuff with it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3327 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-09 22:30:20
November 09 2012 22:29 GMT
#116
On November 10 2012 07:24 Buchan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 07:15 SuperYo1000 wrote:
On November 10 2012 06:57 Buchan wrote:
After watching Rain use the mothership core and oracle it seems like bio TvP is dead in HoTS. With purify and recall Protoss is literally always in position and can defend anything. Also time warp plus storms = good bye bio ball. And mech is immobile and shitty as ever. RIP terran.



awesome dude...your complaining about balance when they are still at the begining stages of beta.
Just because it's early doesn't mean I can't complain. Terran is getting 1 new unit in HoTS while Zerg and Protoss are getting several game changing abilities and units.

Then at least don't complain because players didn't know what they were doing.
Nestea had no idea how burrow charge works, Rain didn't know that time-warp is ground-only and MVP tried to mech without ghosts. I'm sure there will be a lot of time for bashing Blizzard once we start having serious HotS competitions with sizable prize-pools.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 09 2012 22:29 GMT
#117
On November 10 2012 07:24 Buchan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 07:15 SuperYo1000 wrote:
On November 10 2012 06:57 Buchan wrote:
After watching Rain use the mothership core and oracle it seems like bio TvP is dead in HoTS. With purify and recall Protoss is literally always in position and can defend anything. Also time warp plus storms = good bye bio ball. And mech is immobile and shitty as ever. RIP terran.



awesome dude...your complaining about balance when they are still at the begining stages of beta.
Just because it's early doesn't mean I can't complain. Terran is getting 1 new unit in HoTS while Zerg and Protoss are getting several game changing abilities and units.


They arn't done yet. Blizzard has said they are looking at the raven and other, under used terran units. Still, the mine is bad ass and battle hellions are pretty neat.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Aquila-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
516 Posts
November 09 2012 22:32 GMT
#118
Without more changes TvP mech wont be viable. Mvp killed over 60 porbes in his game against Rain and he still got crushed by immortals and tempests. If he wanted to win he would play bio. I hope they come up with a solution because currently there is no reason to play mech TvP unless you want to lose.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 09 2012 23:48 GMT
#119
On November 10 2012 07:32 Aquila- wrote:
Without more changes TvP mech wont be viable. Mvp killed over 60 porbes in his game against Rain and he still got crushed by immortals and tempests. If he wanted to win he would play bio. I hope they come up with a solution because currently there is no reason to play mech TvP unless you want to lose.

It isn't good that he spread out his army that got killed because of the recall, even though he had 60 Probes killed, he didn't do any damage to the Rain's army, and MVP's army was wiped out, and we know how hard is to re-max with Mech. Rain just pushed after that to victory. No saying that Mech is good, or even viable, but this game really didn't show much about mech play in terms of being viable or not.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
November 10 2012 00:03 GMT
#120
On November 10 2012 07:24 Buchan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 07:15 SuperYo1000 wrote:
On November 10 2012 06:57 Buchan wrote:
After watching Rain use the mothership core and oracle it seems like bio TvP is dead in HoTS. With purify and recall Protoss is literally always in position and can defend anything. Also time warp plus storms = good bye bio ball. And mech is immobile and shitty as ever. RIP terran.



awesome dude...your complaining about balance when they are still at the begining stages of beta.
Just because it's early doesn't mean I can't complain. Terran is getting 1 new unit in HoTS while Zerg and Protoss are getting several game changing abilities and units.


really you have no clue what you are talking about..

Oracle is about as useless as it get's in TvP. Time warp is one of the most useless spells in the games, units move out of extremely quick... The timewarp + storm combo is pretty much nonexistant because the timewarp hardly matters at all..
These games they played are just a joke and you see they are just trying some stuff and not playing all too serious,
at it stands right now mech is still useless in TvP and because of that stargate play is also pretty much useless. Oracle is super expensive, super fragile and practically does nothing against a few marines on defense plus terran bio gets units to counter it ANYWAY... they want vikings for your colossi eventually and ghosts no matter what you do.

Changes that actually impact HotS TvP so far:
- widow mine makes it easier to defend a few all-ins it's unreliable against protoss at the moment because they have very easy detection now and can even use hallucinate to 'detect and disable' mines.
- mothership core, make it easier for protoss to take a third and defend against various timing pushes. This is the biggest chance really and slightly tilts the matchup towards P in the beta imo.
- free hallucinate, this along with the mothership core make it perfectly safe to skip robo completely early on making it very easy to get a 3rd base on just gateways alone which make it really easy to defend.. Easy transition into ht etc from there if T plays bio, otherwise just add some immortals and you stomp mech too.

TvP is atrocious in HotS right now because it's still the same awful matchup as in WoL
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