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Balance Update #7 10/26/12 - Page 3

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EliteSK
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)251 Posts
October 26 2012 21:09 GMT
#41
...so time warp sounds like another ridiculous positioning spell if used with ff, storm, colossus...A few time warps in the middle of the fight or end means if toss is winning the fight, other side can't run away....

That's my initial thoughts on time warp...
Morpheus.be
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium1 Post
October 26 2012 21:10 GMT
#42
April's fool haha :D
Nice joke TL dudes.

User was warned for this post
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
October 26 2012 21:11 GMT
#43
The changes to Spine Crawlers were made to help Zerg defense in early game ZvZ. We found that Zerg tier 2 and 3 battles have changed a lot in Heart of the Swarm, and we wanted to make it slightly easier for Zerg players to get to tier 2 in the matchup. Not only that, newer players found it confusing that Spine Crawlers appear to block pathing in a 2x2 radius when built, but small units such as Zerglings were able to squeeze by. Therefore, we made the decision to prevent pathing around this unit when placed next to other structures, and we increased its size slightly to reflect this.


For a sec I thought this was to help Protoss break down Spine/Infestor walls and thought they did a great change, then I read this.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
October 26 2012 21:11 GMT
#44
pretty good changes imo, still need to change the widow mine
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CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
October 26 2012 21:11 GMT
#45
Oracle+Templar, hell yeah. If Terran was still be a force to be reckoned with I'd think this would be sweet. But now (Bio) Terran will have an even harder time in the (late) lategame.
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
October 26 2012 21:12 GMT
#46
God, this battlenet mod icon gives me much hope on unit skins
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
October 26 2012 21:12 GMT
#47
holy crap, look at those polls. people are saying blizzard made good changes...... wtf happened? Did people finally realise that its a beta and things are not as they will be when released, that the whole purpose of a beta is to actually find out what works and what doesn't? It seems so!
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 26 2012 21:12 GMT
#48
On October 27 2012 06:08 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 06:03 Noocta wrote:
I'm a little bit worried than Time Warp + any kind of aoe damage will make it impossible to play Boi against protoss. :/

How do you dodge storm if your whole deathball is slowed from 9 range away ?
Vikings can't even prevent that :O


Vikings have 9 range, I believe and a small number of them will be able to insta murder any oracle that comes into that range. As long as you don’t keep them clumped, in a ball over your army, I think they can zone out the oracle.

Anyways, I would rather have the ability be to powerful in beta, than weak and useless.


Yeah, viking have 9 range.
Meaning the Oracle run on you, and cast the spell before the viking's missile destroy it.

I know iit's costly but that doesn't mean it's impossible to make.
And I know it's a positioning spell. But it's one like Forcefield or Fungal : once you're catch in it, you're dead if any army is near.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Goshirn
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Micronesia30 Posts
October 26 2012 21:14 GMT
#49
That spine crawler thing is bullshit! -.-
I live in micronesia, the great country where micro was born.
PXEnTei
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States209 Posts
October 26 2012 21:15 GMT
#50
Good this is much better. The battle helion form, should just be an upgrade from tech lab, i think. Overall good job.
Now all i need is a FU*KING BETA KEY
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 26 2012 21:15 GMT
#51
On October 27 2012 06:12 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 06:08 Plansix wrote:
On October 27 2012 06:03 Noocta wrote:
I'm a little bit worried than Time Warp + any kind of aoe damage will make it impossible to play Boi against protoss. :/

How do you dodge storm if your whole deathball is slowed from 9 range away ?
Vikings can't even prevent that :O


Vikings have 9 range, I believe and a small number of them will be able to insta murder any oracle that comes into that range. As long as you don’t keep them clumped, in a ball over your army, I think they can zone out the oracle.

Anyways, I would rather have the ability be to powerful in beta, than weak and useless.


Yeah, viking have 9 range.
Meaning the Oracle run on you, and cast the spell before the viking's missile destroy it.

I know iit's costly but that doesn't mean it's impossible to make.
And I know it's a positioning spell. But it's one like Forcefield or Fungal : once you're catch in it, you're dead if any army is near.


Lucky for us all that its beta and things can change. The ability is powerful and useful in a lot of ways. It may be powerful end game as well. But it is also a reason for protoss to try Stargate openings. Unless you like us going robo to colossi every game.
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Br33zyy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States296 Posts
October 26 2012 21:15 GMT
#52
On October 27 2012 06:14 Goshirn wrote:
That spine crawler thing is bullshit! -.-


Why? You can wall off with bunkers and cannons but not spinecrawlers?
Ohhh lawd..
thurst0n
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States611 Posts
October 26 2012 21:16 GMT
#53
Cloaken Confirmed. No UI or Leveling system. This is ONLY a balance patch.

He said the new system will be with next major patch, which is "soon".


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7004040818?page=1#5
P.S. I'm nub. If you'd like you can follow me @xthurst but its not worth it ill be honest
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 21:17:41
October 26 2012 21:17 GMT
#54
Haha, the poll is positive across the board. Is this really TL? ;-)

The Oracle is very weak and also gas expensive. If anything they can tweak the number on the radius of Time Warp and the energy cost. Much more to the point, let it play out. In my eyes, it does not seem to be something that will "break" the game.

Balance really should not be a primary concern in the Beta.

I like the Zerg changes too. Very nice.
KT best KT ~ 2014
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
October 26 2012 21:18 GMT
#55
On October 27 2012 06:04 Sakray wrote:
Well, the Oracle is now pretty much useless.


how on earth do you come to THAT conclusion?
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R3DT1D3
Profile Joined January 2012
285 Posts
October 26 2012 21:18 GMT
#56
Too bad the new slow effect for the Oracle wasn't just a change to Fungal I don't see how it fits for the protoss to have a slow as Terran and Zerg rely on their speed to engage and surround or dodge away from the army to survive.
GungraveHero2
Profile Joined October 2011
57 Posts
October 26 2012 21:18 GMT
#57
guess they realy want all terran to stop this game ?

ho you removed a upgrade who was kinda fast to get anyway ? amazing , if you wanted a real buff you remove the armory requirement .

they dont even buff the race.... im a 1500 master terran and honestly -50 % speed reduction = will be realy huge

guess that time im stoping this game , blizzard clearly dont care about terran , and hots start to look a even harder game for terran .... lol .
cekkmt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States352 Posts
October 26 2012 21:18 GMT
#58
An oracle can kill a tech lab in 16 seconds, that's pretty good against Terran
testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
October 26 2012 21:21 GMT
#59
On October 27 2012 06:12 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 06:08 Plansix wrote:
On October 27 2012 06:03 Noocta wrote:
I'm a little bit worried than Time Warp + any kind of aoe damage will make it impossible to play Boi against protoss. :/

How do you dodge storm if your whole deathball is slowed from 9 range away ?
Vikings can't even prevent that :O


Vikings have 9 range, I believe and a small number of them will be able to insta murder any oracle that comes into that range. As long as you don’t keep them clumped, in a ball over your army, I think they can zone out the oracle.

Anyways, I would rather have the ability be to powerful in beta, than weak and useless.


Yeah, viking have 9 range.
Meaning the Oracle run on you, and cast the spell before the viking's missile destroy it.

I know iit's costly but that doesn't mean it's impossible to make.
And I know it's a positioning spell. But it's one like Forcefield or Fungal : once you're catch in it, you're dead if any army is near.


Nah, it is no fungal. Most damage from fungal comes from the actual ..well damage. It was root only before - not to many people cared.
Furthermore: Time Warp is not rooting you. Your stimmed bio will still be about as fast as a HT while in the zone. That means: It can move out before the HT has moved in range. (They tend to stay in the back, so they don't prematurely die to snipes).
War is not about who is right, but who is left.
benzcity07
Profile Joined February 2011
United States79 Posts
October 26 2012 21:21 GMT
#60
Really like the changes, only criticism is the lack of giving energize back to the mothership core, with entomb gone feel like they should be able to give it back, but dunno. Otherwise definitely like it. I hope you can cast the time spell on workers.
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