The god of thunder - Page 2

On October 25 2012 11:44 Najda wrote:


QFT. If it's more powerful than the current AA attack, then it would be overpowered. If it was less powerful, no one would use it.

On October 25 2012 19:20 Decendos wrote:
bad idea. mass thor (+ some support) is already close to unbeatable and a-move only in ZvT. just remove strike cannon and the energy bar to make thors more viable TvP.

On October 24 2012 20:04 Penev wrote:
– You can use it to save a marine when there are too many muta

On October 25 2012 19:24 DjayEl wrote:
These kind of anti-air canons are not a bad idea, and they don't need to be just a "stronger" version of their base attack.

What if the Thor could "deploy" heavy anti-air canons just as siege tanks do, becoming rooted to the ground? The cannons should be a strong non-AOE (or minimal AOE) anti-air shot with relatively long cooldown that has a heavy bonus against armored/massive. While in this mode Thors should not be able to use standard weapons. Switching modes should have a cooldown similar to siege tanks.

This would allow the following:

- Encourage positional play
- Immunity to broodlings messing up with the attack (as in this state Thors could only hit air)
- Not stronger vs flocks of light flying unis (like mutas, which could be used to attack Thors that are in these positions, encouraging hit & run tactics)
- Increase overall DPS against corruptors, broodlords and colossi
- Make actual use of these heavy canons the unit is relentlessly carrying on its back since WoL beta and which only purpose is to enable its owner to be feedbacked (bad design anyone?)
- Not useful when used en masse (like with full thor mech) because of the immobility and unability to deal vs ground

Please let me know I you think it's a terrible idea.

On October 25 2012 19:55 thimius wrote:
I disagree with this suggestion, making mutas even less viable than they currently are vs mech is simply ridiculous. It's a good idea but i think it simply affects mutas too much and will make them go from unviable, to completely useless. I like the idea of a zoning spell tho allthough it would have to be really slow dmg because broods are REALLY slow, so doing too much damage would just rape broods too hard

On October 25 2012 19:20 Decendos wrote:
bad idea. mass thor (+ some support) is already close to unbeatable and a-move only in ZvT. just remove strike cannon and the energy bar to make thors more viable TvP.

On October 25 2012 21:41 Markwerf wrote:
meh, just buff thor air attack against non-light by 1 or 2. That way it remains the same against light and get's slighty better against non-light, ie still shit but decent enough against large flocks of stacked armored units like vikings or broodlords.

A slight fungal nerf is already expected to be coming though, maybe a slow instead of rooting or just a very small infestor nerf, perhaps increasing duration a bit again making it less spammable as a damage spell. (i'd vote to increase duration from 4 to 6 seconds and just letting it slow by 80% instead of rooting).

It would be good if thors had some use against air making mech as a whole more playable

On October 25 2012 19:57 Penev wrote:

Please read the OP and thread more closely. This will not necessarily make the Thor more powerful; It ads an ability to it (while removing another, much more silly one) that can brake Zerg siegelines if you will, without destroying it. It forces relocation and micro. If you think that Thors are overpowered than you are talking about its normal attacks. The flak cannons have nothing to do with that.

On October 25 2012 22:22 rpgalon wrote:

I want to see a IT energy increase from 25 to 50, the utility and strength that IT bring to the table is stupid, a spellcaster should not be able to bring 8 Buffed Marines (~80 dps) that can kill any unit/structure and completely demolish an expansion.

I hope they buff hydras, vipers and ultralisks just so they can nerf infestor HARD without destroying zerg.
yeah, I hate those fat bugs.

On October 25 2012 22:42 Decendos wrote:

oh how awesome that would be! zerg here and i hate to play infestor only into BL infestor because everything else sucks (and got even worse in HOTS: ultra bane ling is much worse because of widow mines and BH, mutas are much worse because of widow mines, swarm hosts locusts get raped by BH + tanks + widow mines etc. so again its infestor into BL infestor time...). not talking about zvp since everything else than BL infestor gets raped even more than zvt. they really need to fix zerg mid and lategame by nerfing infestor and buffing hydras, ultras, vipers and lategame locusts.

On October 25 2012 03:25 imPermanenCe wrote:
It freaking overlaps with the Thor's normal AA attack. Both do good aoe damage. The rest of the ideas behind the ability are good, but the fact that it overlaps so much, makes it bad.

On October 25 2012 20:25 rpgalon wrote:
This change shuts down the so wanted protoss AIR vs Mech, and makes protoss robo play the only viable choice in TvP (which is already the case in WoL).

the problem of zerg late game, is the infestor, not the broodlord.



can people stop saying this? Blizzard already tried this change and it did not work, it went from Thors being countered by Immortals with HT support to Thors killing everything protoss have, both in ground and air.
that was stupid and so Blizz rolled the patch back.

On October 26 2012 01:48 Penev wrote:

Why does this shut Protoss air vs mech down? Just because this is an anti air spell?

On October 25 2012 21:41 Markwerf wrote:
meh, just buff thor air attack against non-light by 1 or 2. That way it remains the same against light and get's slighty better against non-light, ie still shit but decent enough against large flocks of stacked armored units like vikings or broodlords.

A slight fungal nerf is already expected to be coming though, maybe a slow instead of rooting or just a very small infestor nerf, perhaps increasing duration a bit again making it less spammable as a damage spell. (i'd vote to increase duration from 4 to 6 seconds and just letting it slow by 80% instead of rooting).

It would be good if thors had some use against air making mech as a whole more playable

On October 25 2012 22:42 Decendos wrote:


i read the OP. you want to give the thor an anti-armour air cannon instead of the strike cannon, so you want to buff the thor. i say thats a bad thing since especially with widow mines and BHs mass thor + x gets even stronger in HOTS and the only way to deal with it are BLs. and even with BLs a mass thor + x army with mass repair has a very good chance of killing the zerg army.

terran has no lategame problem vs BLs if they go mech. the problem is if terran goes marine tank or pure bio and faces BL infestor. so terran needs a buff to raven and/or BCs and not to the already superstrong mass thor + x a-move builds (which should get nerfed instead of even buffed more).



oh how awesome that would be! zerg here and i hate to play infestor only into BL infestor because everything else sucks (and got even worse in HOTS: ultra bane ling is much worse because of widow mines and BH, mutas are much worse because of widow mines, swarm hosts locusts get raped by BH + tanks + widow mines etc. so again its infestor into BL infestor time...). not talking about zvp since everything else than BL infestor gets raped even more than zvt. they really need to fix zerg mid and lategame by nerfing infestor and buffing hydras, ultras, vipers and lategame locusts.