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MS: Very bad to yank energize. First we lose nexus teleport, then we in essence lose mass recall (current version is so bad) and now we lose energize. MS has been transformed from a fun creative unit, to a poor-man's voidray + photon cannon combination unit.
Oracle: Ditto. We lose cloak, entomb has yet to be cost effective (considering opportunity cost), siphon is too slow and now we lose detection? Back to robo builds  Another fun/creative unit down the tubes. MS/Nexus detection is NOT the same as mobile detection. You HAVE to have mobile detection vs cloaked units, else the cloaked attackers will just attack your parameter/expansions.
Tempest Cost/tech reduction: Good change...could be fun to use now. Using and stopping spotters will be key. If tempest turns out to be OP (doubtful), I hope they nerf the vision to make it more dependent on spotters.
Spore Buff: I'm not a fan of one dimensional air/cloak build order wins so I like this. Problem is that the evo chamber really set zerg back economically vs dts/voids/phoenix. Take 2.5 drones mining...then take the drones that would have been built from those two drones...etc...and it compounds significantly. This could be a huge buff for zerg and roach spam/deathball timing pushes (which Blizzard is still in denial that there is a problem with). To counter this, I would love to see the build time of hatcheries off creep take longer to build (to encourage more dynamic zerg play with macro hatches and gas and less drone cheese which zerg love to do vs air builds).
Hallucination: Love this as it opens up tons of creative options. Was disappointed that FF wasn't addressed. I'm probably one of the few people on the planet that actually hoped Blizzard would make this mechanic easier to use. Don't let the game think for you yes, but why not have a snap to grid option to prevent cracks/overlap? The pro's mess up their FF's all the time, so I don't buy this lower level argument. You miss a ff by one space and you lose the game vs 4gate/ling-roach/mm rushes...WAY too tedious and unfun. Would love to see zerg get free burrow to compensate for hallucination. Can you imagine burrowed zerglings blocking expansions and drones burrowing rightaway to avoid hellions? Lot of creative potential for zerg.
Widow Mine Activation Time: Good change in the right direction, but the widow mine is still too well rounded. It is fast, can hit air/ground, doesn't have bad range, great damage, DPS... Good units need weakness. My vote is that the widow mine get a speed nerf (AOE units shouldn't be speed) which would ensure this is more of a positional unit over a cheesy deathball unit. With so many cloaked units in the game (banshee/ghost/dts/MS/observer/infestor/roach/widow mine), I would love to see the return of a manual attack area command (Warcraft 2 fans who used juggernauts know what I'm talking about). Seems stupid that you can't guess where a unit is and attack that ground where you think it is hiding. Maybe get rid of the distotion to compensate.
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Ah cool, glad to see they're doing 1 change at a time with the widow mine, couple that with earlier detection and I might not just auto win games anymore :D
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I feel bad playing Terran,can i have the extention for 10 euros instead of 40 ?
Also protoss is completely HUEHEUEHEUHEUEHEUEHUEHUEHUEHUE now.
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Pretty sure the dev team are extremely jealous of the firebat, but forgot the Blizzard actually has copyright for that unit and they could totally just put it in.
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Too many changes at once...
Removing energize,dont help with Oracles,but at least their Entomb has been improved.The Detection on the Nexus with the MS is just crazy.No more Banshee openings and no more DTs.You dont even need an Observer,so you may skip Robo and go for Stargate,but they must improve Voids and Phoenix to be able to substitute gate units.
The Tempest is now the Counter of Collosi.No more Collosi Wars in PvP,so I am glad to see this change and maybe P began to Open with 1gate StarGate,inlcuding Oracle to harras and make enemy stay at home,while getting their Tempest Army and ofcourse can SCOUT FREE with only Sentry Enrgy.This new Tempest still mantain Mech in TvP dead.
Zerg changes are OK.The Viper need a Buff,because of his Tech and Cost.The Spore is because of mines.Its a change really needed because T got Scan so soon and P only Need MS,but still seems to be a "Free Detection".150 for CC and 300 you lose if you scan.MS cost+energy for P and 75 mins for Zerg!!!If you compared it to Overlords born with detection its a good change hehe,but not if you compared with WoL.Its just the Death of the Banshee.Another Terran unit to the trash now.No more Hellion+Banshee openings.Banshee will go togehter with Ghost and Mech to sleep,awaiting LotV hehe
WidowLauncher Change trully needed.Everyone expected to be nerfed more,but its ok.They are useless while recharging and cant attack spores hehe.
Hellbat... TErrible,TERRIBLE NAME.Blizzard is supposed to not reintroduce old units,but this mech Firebat is just crazy
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The cost of Entomb has been lowered from 100 to 75, while the duration has been increased from 50 to 60 seconds.
Wait a second. Wasn't entomb's duration 45 seconds before this patch, not 50? Not that it mattters, but I want some consistency here! 
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Every week my jaw drops at the sheer magnitude of the changes here. I absolutely can't wait until we know what the game is going to be like at release.
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I guess we will just have to see how much that fixes widow mines.
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Wtf Hellbat!? Should just stick with firebat if they're gonna use "bat."
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As long as I see "Carrier has been removed" I'm very happy with any changes.
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Pretty random with the Battle Hellion, but makes a fuckload of sense considering they do say "Hellbat coming in" on spawn. Probably going to be more confusing for some people now.
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Bring 'em on, those halibuts...
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On October 13 2012 07:28 ZjiublingZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:23 sns3rsam wrote:
I watched a couple of players playing around with blinding cloud and I noticed units underneath automatically tried to get within range one. unfortunately, this seems to make units get pushed out of the blinding cloud, almost as if it requires almost no micro to get out of blinding cloud. I feel that blizz needs to take this out and reduce radius back to 1.5. I've noticed this too, though against Banelings or even Infestor/BL/Corruptor this is exactly what the Zerg wants. Also you can negate this a bit with Fungal. I don't know, it was pretty underwhelming before against almost everything, I think it's a good change to try.
hmmm i agree that it works really well with banelings and infestor/BL. perhaps too well hahaha i can see blinding cloud then fungal and then in comes the baneling pain train lol. we shall have to see... i feel that reducing the radius could be the right answer though in return for getting rid of auto-movement under cloud as you need more clouds to blanket the army and that gives the army time to retreat from cloud. i am excited what this could bring to e-sports! intense micro moments where bioball scrambling to get away from banelings and blinding clouds :D
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Hellions and banshee cloak was a good opening against zerg.
Aaaaaaaaaand it's gone.
Seriously, what the point of making invisible units if there is almost free detection...
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Right off the bat I already don't like the spore crawler change
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question, do hellions no longer transform now or what?
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On October 13 2012 08:08 Fungal Growth wrote:
Widow Mine Activation Time: Good change in the right direction, but the widow mine is still too well rounded. It is fast, can hit air/ground, doesn't have bad range, great damage, DPS... Good units need weakness. My vote is that the widow mine get a speed nerf (AOE units shouldn't be speed) which would ensure this is more of a positional unit over a cheesy deathball unit. With so many cloaked units in the game (banshee/ghost/dts/MS/observer/infestor/roach/widow mine), I would love to see the return of a manual attack area command (Warcraft 2 fans who used juggernauts know what I'm talking about). Seems stupid that you can't guess where a unit is and attack that ground where you think it is hiding. Maybe get rid of the distotion to compensate.
Widow Mines are Lurkers.
How does it look now?
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The Hallucination buff has great balance implications. I don't see it sticking around to be honest. We're talking about the possibility of constant scouting information income at the cost of energy on a unit that you will pretty much always have in any matchup (maybe not as much in PvP).
Terran has scans which costs them 270 minerals. Zerg has overlord positioning and maybe zergling run-bys. Protoss will have scouting information at the cost of a forcefield.
I'd be OK with this change if you could no longer hallucinate phoenix. Other than that, if the issue is allowing more scouting, keep the upgrade and reduce cost or duration.
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gotta love this halluciantion change <3 but the spore crawler change is a little bit harsh in my opinion. bad times for dts and stargates
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