EPTpHD Inaugural HOTS Beta Tournament - Page 13
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:10 Herect wrote: Pretty much nope. They were so much costly and more build time requiring. You need something ridicolous like 6/7 chronnoboosted stargates to pump enogh Carriers to make a considerably impact on the field. Carriers, at least in SC2, are just boring a-move game ending units (the best micro you could do with them is pulling out the weaken ones, just like the Warhound). They have a lot of beautiful sounds and lasers, but it's only that. Tempest IMO desgin wise are just better. They are more tatical. They deal better with late game scenarios. Targete fire is really important to them. Just make 4/5 of them to snipe key unit like infestors and broodlords. Fuck, the only cool thing about carriers are they are cool. Even in BW they were gimmick and they didn't add too much depth in the game. Stop trying to "save" a unit like that. Worst than that are Toss players asking for the removal of the Warpgate/Sentries for more stronger gateway units. Fuck that, you just want an more a-move friendly army instead of a micro requiring one. That's ridiculous. Lol the point was not to say that I want carriers to replace tempests. The point was to illustrate that a unit that Blizzard thinks has no place (the carrier), would have been infinitely more useful than the tempest in that scenario. I know carriers take longer to build than tempests, but that is just because Blizzard never tried to make them viable them. And even with their current stupidly long build time, having 4 carriers there would have been better than the 9 tempests were. The idea of the Tempest is fine, but the way they designed the unit is stupid, because it is not a capital ship. As I have been saying, a unit that merely annoys an opponent and pokes them is not fit to be a capital ship costing 300/300 and 6 supply. Instead they should shrink down the model and make it a normal stargate unit. Then give toss an actual capital ship. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:26 Fig wrote: Lol the point was not to say that I want carriers to replace tempests. The point was to illustrate that a unit that Blizzard thinks has no place (the carrier), would have been infinitely more useful than the tempest in that scenario. I know carriers take longer to build than tempests, but that is just because Blizzard never tried to make them viable them. And even with their current stupidly long build time, having 4 carriers there would have been better than the 9 tempests were. The idea of the Tempest is fine, but the way they designed the unit is stupid, because it is not a capital ship. As I have been saying, a unit that merely annoys an opponent and pokes them is not fit to be a capital ship costing 300/300 and 6 supply. Instead they should shrink down the model and make it a normal stargate unit. Then give toss an actual capital ship. Agreed. The good news is Blizzard's looking into that now apparently so hopefully the next patch will give us something to get excited about. | ||
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Canada1047 Posts
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:29 TheDougler wrote: Agreed. The good news is Blizzard's looking into that now apparently so hopefully the next patch will give us something to get excited about. +1, Four carriers would have still outdpsed the tempests by quite a bit anyways. Also pretty funny that he claimed they were a gimmick in BW. Totally core and viable unit in late game PvT, guess it is a gimmick. Super interesting micro and unique usage in the other matchups. Yeah no depth lol | ||
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envisioN .
United States552 Posts
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:35 envisioN . wrote: Link to Bracket? http://challonge.com/phd Results so far: + Show Spoiler + WhiteRa 2-0 Destiny Illusion 2-0 Suppy | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:35 envisioN . wrote: Link to Bracket? Here Which reminds me, bit surprised they didn't put a PvT in the RO8. | ||
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envisioN .
United States552 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:39 Bagi wrote: Here Which reminds me, bit surprised they didn't put a PvT in the RO8. Thank you! | ||
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RehnFreemark
Italy144 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:21 Herect wrote: Tanks kill stuff by themselves. But you have to positioning/set/etc. You can increase Swarmhost efficiency setting better path to the locusts to reduce AoE. Good point, but you're the one saying that it's protoss who want a-move units instead of micro-oriented ones. Seems your suggestion was aimed at the wrong race | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26270 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:39 Bagi wrote: Here Which reminds me, bit surprised they didn't put a PvT in the RO8. Have you watched PvT in the current HoTS build?  Nah it is always good to get a bit of matchup variation, I'd assume they randomised the brackets | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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jimbobicus
Canada23 Posts
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PauseBreak
United States270 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:49 jimbobicus wrote: So I just want to say first off thanks for hosting this tournament. I've enjoyed the casting so far. However, I'm disappointed in the players. So far haven't seen many use of the HoTS units. I kinda was looking forward to a really dynamic HoTS tournament...and as it stands now (before TT1 and Catz play) it's been pretty lackluster. I don't blame the organization, but the players. This could have been much more interesting. The Beta has only been out for a week now. Most of the new units aren't until late game. It takes time for units to fill and secure a role. I'm not at all disappointed; I'd rather watch this type of game than having players just massing the new units and attacking and hoping to come out on top. I have to retract my previous statement. Catz is just a cheese. Might as well have invited CombatEX to this tournament. | ||
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Canada1047 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:49 jimbobicus wrote: So I just want to say first off thanks for hosting this tournament. I've enjoyed the casting so far. However, I'm disappointed in the players. So far haven't seen many use of the HoTS units. I kinda was looking forward to a really dynamic HoTS tournament...and as it stands now (before TT1 and Catz play) it's been pretty lackluster. I don't blame the organization, but the players. This could have been much more interesting. This is because they want to win. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On September 12 2012 12:49 jimbobicus wrote: So I just want to say first off thanks for hosting this tournament. I've enjoyed the casting so far. However, I'm disappointed in the players. So far haven't seen many use of the HoTS units. I kinda was looking forward to a really dynamic HoTS tournament...and as it stands now (before TT1 and Catz play) it's been pretty lackluster. I don't blame the organization, but the players. This could have been much more interesting. Its still really early in the beta and there's 2000 dollars on the line. These guys wanna win. Anyone using strategies based around the new units are essentially gambling, as the metagame on how to use them correctly just isn't there yet. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26270 Posts
Yeah you can't expect 2000 dollars to just be passed up I guess! | ||
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United States7081 Posts
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emjaytron
Australia544 Posts
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