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pHD Inaugural HOTS Beta Tournament

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PainUser
Profile Joined May 2009
United States206 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 01:31:20
September 11 2012 00:53 GMT
#1
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them you're a mile away and you have their shoes. Playing Protoss is like driving automatic, playing Terran is like driving stick.
PainUser
Profile Joined May 2009
United States206 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 01:20:25
September 10 2012 07:05 GMT
#2
Hey guys, have been working tirelessly over the past 4 days to put this together. Have also been playing HotS every waking moment. So excited for the possibilities and strategies we are going to see in this tournament. The amount of meta game shifting I have experienced leads me to believe we are going to see some truly unique playstyles here. This is the first of hopefully more to come, lets make it a special community event. We may have some guest casters on for early rounds in the tournament as well so stay tuned.

Special Thanks:
Aldenx: Main Admin and Stream Technician (if you like what you see get in touch with him)
Chris "Rezudox" Burke: All tournament graphics and overlays (same goes for him)
Walter from Astro: Excellent gaming peripherals and also eager to work with esports driven projects
Kevin Lin from Twitch: Primary supporters and incredibly easy to work with. Community driven mindset and projects

And most of all, the excellent players who are participating in this event and showcasing their new skills to everyone.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them you're a mile away and you have their shoes. Playing Protoss is like driving automatic, playing Terran is like driving stick.
happyfunguy00
Profile Joined July 2011
United States17 Posts
September 10 2012 07:06 GMT
#3
Awesome been waiting for this it will be like the HDH cept with painuser
XilDarkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States563 Posts
September 10 2012 07:15 GMT
#4
On September 10 2012 16:05 PainUser wrote:
I have no idea what he's talking about.......

lol

This is cool, hope it goes well and all the players can participate without issue.
aka Mathies! twitch.tv/Mathies if you want to watch me fail. esfiworld.com/author/mathies/
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
September 10 2012 07:19 GMT
#5
I'm sad the suprise was spoil when i've watch destiny stream yesterday :\
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
September 10 2012 07:19 GMT
#6
And it begins... :D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
BadgKat
Profile Joined June 2011
United States156 Posts
September 10 2012 07:23 GMT
#7
This sounds cool. I'll be watching. Excited to see the new units in a competitive setting!
lost_artz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States366 Posts
September 10 2012 08:03 GMT
#8
I love you.
Herect
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil216 Posts
September 10 2012 09:22 GMT
#9
Yay
HDstarcraft
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States577 Posts
September 10 2012 14:53 GMT
#10
Hey guys, just got word Thorzain has withdrawn due to obligations for Dreamhack. Will be looking for a replacement player. Good luck Marcus at DH!
YouTube.com/HDstarcraft
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
September 10 2012 15:02 GMT
#11
I like the idea of a just for fun beta, but offering prize money for a game that isn't competitively furnished seems...weird
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HDstarcraft
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States577 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 15:13:03
September 10 2012 15:10 GMT
#12
On September 11 2012 00:02 MattBarry wrote:
I like the idea of a just for fun beta, but offering prize money for a game that isn't competitively furnished seems...weird



The players are putting in time and effort, and we just feel like they should be rewarded for playing at such a high level

Money can't hurt right?
YouTube.com/HDstarcraft
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
September 10 2012 15:18 GMT
#13
On September 11 2012 00:10 HDstarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 00:02 MattBarry wrote:
I like the idea of a just for fun beta, but offering prize money for a game that isn't competitively furnished seems...weird



The players are putting in time and effort, and we just feel like they should be rewarded for playing at such a high level

Money can't hurt right?

Ha, good point. I'll definitely tune in
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EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
September 10 2012 15:34 GMT
#14
Awesomeness. Though, I can't watch it live, I'll watch the VODs! Haha! Thank you technology!
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brainox
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany292 Posts
September 10 2012 15:38 GMT
#15
Very interesting, though i find it the prize money ridiculous for a 2 week old beta. Someone could just play an OP strategy and win 1250$
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
September 10 2012 15:41 GMT
#16
when is that in CEST?
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pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3323 Posts
September 10 2012 15:56 GMT
#17
On September 11 2012 00:41 Nosferatos wrote:
when is that in CEST?

IIRC 6am Wednesday for RO8 and 3am Thursday for semi-finals and finals.
Not sure how this is playable or watchable for Europe.
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
September 10 2012 16:02 GMT
#18
On September 11 2012 00:02 MattBarry wrote:
I like the idea of a just for fun beta, but offering prize money for a game that isn't competitively furnished seems...weird


Many would argue that WoL still isnt even finished. I mean, the latest patch was only a month or two ago. Should the pros not have made any money playing WoL for the past couple years?
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 17:02:39
September 10 2012 17:01 GMT
#19
wow, first real hots beta tournament. too terrible that two toss. still, i'll watch!

btw, phd is clever
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
September 10 2012 17:05 GMT
#20
On September 11 2012 01:02 CaptainCrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 00:02 MattBarry wrote:
I like the idea of a just for fun beta, but offering prize money for a game that isn't competitively furnished seems...weird


Many would argue that WoL still isnt even finished. I mean, the latest patch was only a month or two ago. Should the pros not have made any money playing WoL for the past couple years?

That is absolutely stupid comparison. It's a new beta compared to a 2 years matured full game that got a small change
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pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3323 Posts
September 10 2012 17:07 GMT
#21
On September 11 2012 02:05 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 01:02 CaptainCrush wrote:
On September 11 2012 00:02 MattBarry wrote:
I like the idea of a just for fun beta, but offering prize money for a game that isn't competitively furnished seems...weird


Many would argue that WoL still isnt even finished. I mean, the latest patch was only a month or two ago. Should the pros not have made any money playing WoL for the past couple years?

That is absolutely stupid comparison. It's a new beta compared to a 2 years matured full game that got a small change

Chances are that we will not learn of the most glaring imbalances in HotS until pro-gamers start playing it for money.
Ladder games will only reveal so much.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 10 2012 19:27 GMT
#22
On September 11 2012 02:01 -_- wrote:
wow, first real hots beta tournament. too terrible that two toss. still, i'll watch!

btw, phd is clever


You do realize it's 8 people? You do realize one race no matter what is going to have 2 right? xD. It's as even as can be from 8 players.

I can't wait till open tournaments for hots start
When I think of something else, something will go here
coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
September 10 2012 19:36 GMT
#23
On September 11 2012 00:02 MattBarry wrote:
I like the idea of a just for fun beta, but offering prize money for a game that isn't competitively furnished seems...weird


No it is traditional. There were WoL beta tournaments including the HDH invitational and Day9's King of the Beta.

You also should go tell the dota 2 scene how weird you think they are right now.
socksoff
Profile Joined August 2010
1 Post
September 10 2012 23:02 GMT
#24
Wow, HD and PainUser just keeping doing awesome things. Can't wait for this!
Harbinger631
Profile Joined September 2010
United States376 Posts
September 10 2012 23:17 GMT
#25
Hype! Now this is how you balance a beta. Offer tons of prize $$$, and have the best try to abuse the game. Gogogo!
Caliber
Profile Joined August 2010
United States598 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 23:31:42
September 10 2012 23:30 GMT
#26
Taylor! you rock, nice idea. Hopefully its not too imbalanced.

edit: Go KawaiiRice!
dHawk
Profile Joined July 2010
1 Post
September 10 2012 23:49 GMT
#27
Great idea, can't wait to see some badass HOTS matches with something on the line!
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
September 10 2012 23:55 GMT
#28
On September 11 2012 04:36 coolcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 00:02 MattBarry wrote:
I like the idea of a just for fun beta, but offering prize money for a game that isn't competitively furnished seems...weird


No it is traditional. There were WoL beta tournaments including the HDH invitational and Day9's King of the Beta.

You also should go tell the dota 2 scene how weird you think they are right now.


except that dota2 is more polished and balanced than most retail games since they basically just ported everything from WC3 dota and are just in the process of adding all the heroes and extra touches. The game itself is basically finished, the reaosn they haven't made it official as a "retail" game is because they want all the little touches in first.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
ULuMuGuLu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
190 Posts
September 10 2012 23:57 GMT
#29
WTF!!!! Why isn't Dragon in this???!?!?! Honestly! He definitely DESERVES an invite especially if there are still two spots for additional players left -.-
CuteZergling
Profile Joined November 2011
641 Posts
September 11 2012 00:07 GMT
#30
Woo! Go CatZ!
Team owner of team QTLing
Slickpick
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom21 Posts
September 11 2012 00:10 GMT
#31
Demuslim said he and Thorzain were playing in this on his stream yesterday. So I guess one of the tba's is Thorzain.
PengWin_SC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Switzerland433 Posts
September 11 2012 00:11 GMT
#32
Gogogo VeraLynn as one of the TBA's ^^
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Pimpmuckl
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany528 Posts
September 11 2012 00:12 GMT
#33
Totally gonna tune in!
twitter.com/pimpmuckl
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
September 11 2012 00:12 GMT
#34
for a moment i thought it was husky instead of painuser, mind has been playing tricks on me
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
September 11 2012 00:14 GMT
#35
Wish this had some qualifiers

Sick lineup though, I'll definitely be watching. Should be a lot of fun.
darthcaesar
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States475 Posts
September 11 2012 00:21 GMT
#36
awesome! can't wait till there's open hots tournaments
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a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
September 11 2012 00:26 GMT
#37
This is awesome! Kawaii's gonna take it all!!!
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veralynn
Profile Joined March 2012
Ireland55 Posts
September 11 2012 00:26 GMT
#38
Are the 2 slots filled? If Thorzain has withdrawn, then are you looking for players to participate?

I don't have a Beta Account but I have access to one - Could I participate if that's the case? I have a friend who said I could use his account. Let me know!
Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
September 11 2012 00:26 GMT
#39
I've watched a few of WhiteRA's games on Huskys feed, the poor chump doesn't stand a chance, he's playing awesome and still barely winning.

I actually like most of the Protoss new units, I think they (seem) fairly well thought out and balanced. The problem is the T and Z units simply seem far far stronger :/
acgFork
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada397 Posts
September 11 2012 00:58 GMT
#40
So who are they hiring to cast the event?
acgFork 208
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
September 11 2012 01:01 GMT
#41
Would love to see Dimaga or Slush in this
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freeshooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States477 Posts
September 11 2012 01:02 GMT
#42
More protoss! NoNy!
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 01:02:28
September 11 2012 01:02 GMT
#43
Converted for your convenience, feel free to put this in the second post or something

Ro8

Wednesday, Sep 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

Ro4 + Finals

Wednesday, Sep 12 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
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Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
September 11 2012 01:02 GMT
#44
This is freaking sweet, nice work guys! Will tune in for sure.
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ystao
Profile Joined February 2011
United States15 Posts
September 11 2012 01:04 GMT
#45
We need more protoss players in this tourney.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
September 11 2012 01:04 GMT
#46
White-ra is going to win so easily...

P.S I forgot about warhounds :D
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 11 2012 01:05 GMT
#47
Catz's picture looks so baller.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
September 11 2012 01:06 GMT
#48
Get le Sheth in on this madness!
Awesome to see a tournament with decent prize pool popping up so soon
Fun player pool so far, can't wait to what will be done with the new units with money on the line.
UHF
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia58 Posts
September 11 2012 01:13 GMT
#49
Nice initiative guys! Bring backs though WoL Beta memories.

If you are short on players, some of the SEA players are smashing HotS if that is of any interest (watched deth beat Thorzain last night!)

Good to see you both back in full swing - hope this is a sign of things for the future!

Graphic designer & content creation | Always on the look-out for opportunities! | @NvUHF
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
September 11 2012 01:16 GMT
#50
Demuslim going to be tearin' shit up with his reaper openings!
A time to live.
Prophanity
Profile Joined January 2012
United States165 Posts
September 11 2012 01:16 GMT
#51
Gogo Whitera, Catz, and Destiny!

I'll be watching the hell out of this; it'll be interesting to see how the people that have put in the time for the beta, sacrificing WOL play, pull it together.

Thanks Pain and HD!
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
September 11 2012 01:19 GMT
#52
GOGO DESTINY. BWAHAHAHAHA.
But I think demuslim should take this.
EliteSK
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)251 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 01:20:29
September 11 2012 01:19 GMT
#53
On September 11 2012 00:10 HDstarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 00:02 MattBarry wrote:
I like the idea of a just for fun beta, but offering prize money for a game that isn't competitively furnished seems...weird



The players are putting in time and effort, and we just feel like they should be rewarded for playing at such a high level

Money can't hurt right?


Definitely exciting! I was asking last week about who would hold first HotS tourney, so i'm glad the announcement came so quick.

Just speculating, because the prize pool is a fair amount, doesn't it give some players the incentive to just stick to tried and true WoL builds in some/potentially many of the games to win?

I'm sure the players understand and respect that it is a HotS tourney and play it like one, but that possibility does exist no?

Also any rules regarding disabling autosplit/automine at the start of the game or any of the other new options?
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
September 11 2012 01:26 GMT
#54
On September 11 2012 10:19 EliteSK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 00:10 HDstarcraft wrote:
On September 11 2012 00:02 MattBarry wrote:
I like the idea of a just for fun beta, but offering prize money for a game that isn't competitively furnished seems...weird



The players are putting in time and effort, and we just feel like they should be rewarded for playing at such a high level

Money can't hurt right?


Definitely exciting! I was asking last week about who would hold first HotS tourney, so i'm glad the announcement came so quick.

Just speculating, because the prize pool is a fair amount, doesn't it give some players the incentive to just stick to tried and true WoL builds in some/potentially many of the games to win?

I'm sure the players understand and respect that it is a HotS tourney and play it like one, but that possibility does exist no?

Also any rules regarding disabling autosplit/automine at the start of the game or any of the other new options?


There is also the possibility of someone using a WoL build and just getting smashed by some new HotS build. Especially anything that relies upon early aggression against toss or heavy econ against terran with the new mothership core and the popularity of warhound rushes.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 11 2012 01:37 GMT
#55
Cool stuff :D
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
September 11 2012 01:42 GMT
#56
Sick life can't wait to watch this broski!
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Damonkeyy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States12 Posts
September 11 2012 01:43 GMT
#57
Guest star Idra?
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Acronysis
Profile Joined November 2011
872 Posts
September 11 2012 01:43 GMT
#58
Very fun! Glad to see this - I need my HOTS action since I can't satisfy myself with playing it =(.

Title is funny - when i read the title, i was really confused =P
The multiplying villanies of man do swarm upon him.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
September 11 2012 01:44 GMT
#59
And the HDH relationship was confirmed for being permanently destroyed. ;;

It's ok though, PainUser and HD are practically a marry couple. They bring each other McNuggets and beer! A total bro and a really chill guy.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
September 11 2012 01:46 GMT
#60
I really appreciate the Bo3 and Bo5 format.

I think it's universally agreed that Bo7's can get a little boring, especially when someone has a massive advantage.

And the nice small map pool and map veto, though I wish we had better maps to choose from.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
September 11 2012 01:47 GMT
#61
Lets go Suppy
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cheggelund
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway131 Posts
September 11 2012 01:50 GMT
#62
Sounds awesome.

I'll be tuning in ..... and go White-Ra!
VictorVector
Profile Joined June 2012
United States11 Posts
September 11 2012 02:01 GMT
#63
I loled at pHD
Talk is cheap. Bitching is expensive.
hootsushi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany3468 Posts
September 11 2012 02:02 GMT
#64
Why 7 pm PDT :[[
Jimz1469
Profile Joined May 2012
116 Posts
September 11 2012 02:14 GMT
#65
I need to set my alarm for this tomorrow! Thank you guys for putting this on, can't wait! I remember all of the exciting beta tournaments of SC2, this is great nostalgia too.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 11 2012 02:19 GMT
#66
Rooting for kawaiirice!
liftlift > tsm
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
September 11 2012 02:31 GMT
#67
Let's hope Stephano isn't invited. It would be no contest
Kreggar
Profile Joined September 2011
United States83 Posts
September 11 2012 02:39 GMT
#68
looks freaking awesome! well played PHD also happens to be at a great time for me because my main homie will be visiting and we'll be having a tasting of the Dogfish Head 120 Min IPA (fresh batch & 4 yr old)!!

TY PHD!!!
StarCraft is the hardest, most beautiful game in the world.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 11 2012 02:52 GMT
#69
Feels like the good old WoL beta days with the player lineup! I'll be tuning in for sure.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
September 11 2012 02:53 GMT
#70
would be nice to see IdrA and Tfunk invited, they're playing well in the beta
maybe even that ourk guy i see him all the time
can i get my estro logo back pls
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
September 11 2012 02:56 GMT
#71
On September 10 2012 16:05 PainUser wrote:
Hey guys, have been working tirelessly over the past 4 days to put this together. Have also been playing HotS every waking moment. So excited for the possibilities and strategies we are going to see in this tournament. The amount of meta game shifting I have experienced leads me to believe we are going to see some truly unique playstyles here. This is the first of hopefully more to come, lets make it a special community event. We may have some guest casters on for early rounds in the tournament as well so stay tuned.

Special Thanks:
Aldenx: Main Admin and Stream Technician (if you like what you see get in touch with him)
Chris "Rezudox" Burke: All tournament graphics and overlays (same goes for him)
Walter from Astro: Excellent gaming peripherals and also eager to work with esports driven projects
Kevin Lin from Twitch: Primary supporters and incredibly easy to work with. Community driven mindset and projects

And most of all, the excellent players who are participating in this event and showcasing their new skills to everyone.


Painuser best multitasking NA!
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
September 11 2012 02:58 GMT
#72
(T)ForGG plz.
Incredible Miracle
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
September 11 2012 02:58 GMT
#73
Woulda been cool to see the original lineup for the HDH tournament for this tournament, but still cool! And you gotta have some liquid players for the remaining two slots
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
SecondSandwich
Profile Joined July 2008
United States319 Posts
September 11 2012 03:00 GMT
#74
Cool, I think this is a great idea
"Whatever [flash] says is the best, is the best" -Artosis i!i!i!i!i!Find Match!i!i!i!i!!i
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
September 11 2012 03:02 GMT
#75
Too early IMO. Game is still really broken. Cool nonetheless.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
September 11 2012 03:04 GMT
#76
ForGG please!
Everyday Girl's Day~!
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
September 11 2012 03:05 GMT
#77
Get as many creative players as possible for this, i like it
Cocoba
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada352 Posts
September 11 2012 03:12 GMT
#78
I predict Warhounds, lots of them

This is gonna be so awesome! Love the Painuser & HD combo, love HotS (so far), and love the players in the pool!
:D
Covariance
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada59 Posts
September 11 2012 03:22 GMT
#79
Yay! <3 HD.

Kinda wish it was HDH #2, but this is okay. Painuser, be nicer to HD!

Remember what Artosis said about co-casters talking to one another; it makes things comfortable for everyone!
What's the deal with airplane peanuts?
Excelsiorrr
Profile Joined September 2012
United States4 Posts
September 11 2012 03:49 GMT
#80
Cool to see White-Ra and CatZ in it, crazy stuff incoming.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
September 11 2012 03:54 GMT
#81
Well, at least non-Koreans will get to win stuff like this until the game actually comes out.
Never make a hydralisk.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 11 2012 03:55 GMT
#82
SO basically... its the HDH except with Painuser this time.

I'm tuning in for sure!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
September 11 2012 04:06 GMT
#83
Sick news, can't wait. Glad T-Pain is back on the scene with WCS and this.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
September 11 2012 04:13 GMT
#84
inb4 swarm host / corrupter vs warhound death ball haha. I feel bad for the protoss involved (aka white-ra, since watching his stream has shown him having serious troubles vs those two).
User was warned for too many mimes.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
September 11 2012 04:23 GMT
#85
Sick dudes! I'll watch for sure Love to see an HD tourney at the start of every expansion!
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
September 11 2012 04:35 GMT
#86
A terran will win this tournament.

Those warhound rushes are getting out of hand.
Play your best
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
September 11 2012 04:39 GMT
#87
its a streamer battle royale. with cheese. a royale with cheese.

Terran it up.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 11 2012 05:00 GMT
#88
sick, will definitely be watching this dood.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Aulisemia
Profile Joined August 2011
United States123 Posts
September 11 2012 05:19 GMT
#89
Sounds like it should be some good games, will definitely check it out.

Wish Destiny wasn't involved but eh...guess I'll just have to swap streams for his games.
The ponciest ponce that ever ponced past a poncing palour.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 11 2012 05:26 GMT
#90
Will be cool to see.
Moderatorlickypiddy
Kakaru2
Profile Joined March 2011
198 Posts
September 11 2012 06:17 GMT
#91
I'm so excited to watch it. Thanks fore your dedication.
birchman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden393 Posts
September 11 2012 06:19 GMT
#92
More HotS for the win!
Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback.
PainUser
Profile Joined May 2009
United States206 Posts
September 11 2012 06:53 GMT
#93
Thanks for the support guys! Should be a great event with some really interesting content. Keep in mind the players are competing for serious money. So I would imagine some guys are going to stick to their WoL tried and true builds and meta. Whats most interesting to me is how the players who have been adapting to the new units and the new meta will match up stylistically versus that old style of play.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them you're a mile away and you have their shoes. Playing Protoss is like driving automatic, playing Terran is like driving stick.
SolarJto
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States260 Posts
September 11 2012 07:06 GMT
#94
Nice! This will be fun
-University of New Mexico CSL Coordinator-
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
September 11 2012 07:27 GMT
#95
Haha, Take will be so angry that you stole the #1 HotS cup from him. ^^
But at least he can claim to have it announced first and he has an even bigger pricepool.

Regardless, this will be lots of fun, looking forward to the remaining two players.
I hope they will be some true powerhouses, that is the one thing that still lacks the tournament!
evoli
Profile Joined May 2010
United States333 Posts
September 11 2012 07:53 GMT
#96
DeMusliM is going to win this bad boy.
General Manager for EG // twitter.com/gosutrolling
radurock
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom106 Posts
September 11 2012 08:12 GMT
#97
Invite EGStepahnoRC!!
algorithm0r
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 08:22:54
September 11 2012 08:22 GMT
#98
I'll watch but too bad it is HD and PainUser... x_x

When Husky and Day[9] pound out their as of yet unannounced mega launch party it'll smash this in the face, but way to get the HotS money flowing early!

Edit: ROOTCatz and exROOTDestiny are going to CRUSH!
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
September 11 2012 08:48 GMT
#99
siiiick. Thanks for putting this together
Cove
Profile Joined March 2011
United States67 Posts
September 11 2012 08:53 GMT
#100
Nice, interesting to see this type of tournament. Reminds me of the beta tournaments back in 2010. Also pretty awesome to have such quick turn-around on it, starting today and all. <3 pHD
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2574 Posts
September 11 2012 08:55 GMT
#101
oh come on... Don't support this map pool. I realize that I am probably too late in saying this but I think you're limiting the potential awesomeness of the tournament by using the created maps for the beta. Current GSL maps for WOL would provide the best content.
Wishing you well.
paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
September 11 2012 09:14 GMT
#102
Really looking forward to this, hope CatZ does well!
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
September 11 2012 09:18 GMT
#103
On September 11 2012 17:55 Kyhol wrote:
oh come on... Don't support this map pool. I realize that I am probably too late in saying this but I think you're limiting the potential awesomeness of the tournament by using the created maps for the beta. Current GSL maps for WOL would provide the best content.


except they dont work with HotS units atm.
DanielSe
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany38 Posts
September 11 2012 09:19 GMT
#104
gogogo invite heromarine he play a lot of hots
Nvar
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark150 Posts
September 11 2012 09:30 GMT
#105
Sounds good. Get in BabyKnight!
Bro's before ho's
sycknesS
Profile Joined April 2009
United States83 Posts
September 11 2012 09:43 GMT
#106
On September 11 2012 00:38 brainox wrote:
Very interesting, though i find it the prize money ridiculous for a 2 week old beta. Someone could just play an OP strategy and win 1250$

Since when is more money in eSports a bad thing?

This will be an exciting tournament. Hopefully we'll get to see some innovation in strategy within sets... especially the finals which are BO5
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
September 11 2012 09:47 GMT
#107
here we go
mouz.Wake
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden136 Posts
September 11 2012 10:48 GMT
#108
This reminds me so much of HDH Invitational!

You go HD, excited for this tournament
FORMER StarCraft II Team Manager for mousesports || @I_am_Wake
CaptainSlow
Profile Joined October 2010
Malaysia164 Posts
September 11 2012 10:57 GMT
#109
am excited about this! gogo whitera!
KoBlades
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria248 Posts
September 11 2012 12:10 GMT
#110
has the warhound been figured out yet, or is a terran gonna win this tourney? Gonna watch either way^^
"What do you know about fear?" -"Everything."
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
September 11 2012 12:26 GMT
#111
Insane deja vu to the WoL beta.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 13:13:05
September 11 2012 12:38 GMT
#112
Major props to HD and PainUser for doing this. Along with Take's tournament, we will see the HOTS metagame evolve during these two tournaments!
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 12:59:38
September 11 2012 12:58 GMT
#113
Awesome! At least we know one tournament that a terran for certain will win! :p

Edit: And no, this is not a complaint about balance.
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Vronti
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States111 Posts
September 11 2012 14:06 GMT
#114
Wewt Demuslim, putting this on my calendar. Looking forward to seeing the epic battle of imbalances
"By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest." — Confucius
Dreadwolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada220 Posts
September 11 2012 14:14 GMT
#115
I think its going to be gooood stuff! goooo White Ra!
Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
September 11 2012 14:39 GMT
#116
Will be tuning in for sure I'm feelin a win from demuslim here.
CommentatorAustralian SC2 Caster | Twitter: @MaynardeSC2 | Twitch: twitch.tv/maynarde
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 14:40:01
September 11 2012 14:39 GMT
#117
7pm PDT is what in CEST?
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
Anjellycar
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Sweden416 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 14:56:57
September 11 2012 14:56 GMT
#118
On September 11 2012 23:39 HowardRoark wrote:
7pm PDT is what in CEST?


2AM.
Dont worry, be happy!
LOLItsRyann
Profile Joined April 2011
England551 Posts
September 11 2012 15:02 GMT
#119
What's with the (RC) after EG players names?
EG<3
WarrickHunt
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom393 Posts
September 11 2012 15:04 GMT
#120
lol, HDH invitational was my first ever tournament i watched, hope this lives up to that one
renkin
Profile Joined July 2010
France249 Posts
September 11 2012 15:07 GMT
#121
History repeats... it was about time !

Inviting TLO would be interesting.

HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
September 11 2012 15:13 GMT
#122
But 2 in the night, I will miss everything
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
HDstarcraft
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States577 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 15:28:10
September 11 2012 15:27 GMT
#123
Here's the bracket guys

http://challonge.com/phd

Working to get this on the main page graphic
YouTube.com/HDstarcraft
LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
September 11 2012 15:50 GMT
#124
everybody is going to play terran and make warhounds.
GoGo KawaiiRice!
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
September 11 2012 16:01 GMT
#125
nice choice with tt1
Voreau
Profile Joined June 2011
United States192 Posts
September 11 2012 16:09 GMT
#126
This should be very fun to watch and is reminiscent of ye olde HDH invitational back in the day. Brings back old memories and hopes of new ones to be fond of. Will be watching, thanks HD and PainUser as well as the sponsors!
jaydee81
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany119 Posts
September 11 2012 16:17 GMT
#127
On September 10 2012 16:05 PainUser wrote:
Hey guys, have been working tirelessly over the past 4 days to put this together. Have also been playing HotS every waking moment. So excited for the possibilities and strategies we are going to see in this tournament. The amount of meta game shifting I have experienced leads me to believe we are going to see some truly unique playstyles here. This is the first of hopefully more to come, lets make it a special community event. We may have some guest casters on for early rounds in the tournament as well so stay tuned.

Special Thanks:
Aldenx: Main Admin and Stream Technician (if you like what you see get in touch with him)
Chris "Rezudox" Burke: All tournament graphics and overlays (same goes for him)
Walter from Astro: Excellent gaming peripherals and also eager to work with esports driven projects
Kevin Lin from Twitch: Primary supporters and incredibly easy to work with. Community driven mindset and projects

And most of all, the excellent players who are participating in this event and showcasing their new skills to everyone.


1) You have been working tirelessly for 4 days. So fucking impressive for somebody whos's basically unemployed. Just saying... so many people in and ALSO OUT OF esports work their asses off, in the US, in Europe and everywhere else. Working your ass off is a given these days.... just saying. Not meaning to offend you.

2) I hope you reconsider the idea about guest casters and get them for all/most games. I think the majority of the community really enjoys pro(-co)-casters and it would make a lot of viewers really happy to see this (as much as possible) and it seems like you might have the possibility.

I hope I stayed within TL policy, because I tried.

Have a good day.



User was warned for this post
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
September 11 2012 16:23 GMT
#128
You guys can edit the original post and add TT1 and Illusion in it. Btw, very nice Lineup, some of the players are obviously favorites, but I am looking forward to this tourney!
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
September 11 2012 16:32 GMT
#129
On September 12 2012 01:17 jaydee81 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 16:05 PainUser wrote:
Hey guys, have been working tirelessly over the past 4 days to put this together. Have also been playing HotS every waking moment. So excited for the possibilities and strategies we are going to see in this tournament. The amount of meta game shifting I have experienced leads me to believe we are going to see some truly unique playstyles here. This is the first of hopefully more to come, lets make it a special community event. We may have some guest casters on for early rounds in the tournament as well so stay tuned.

Special Thanks:
Aldenx: Main Admin and Stream Technician (if you like what you see get in touch with him)
Chris "Rezudox" Burke: All tournament graphics and overlays (same goes for him)
Walter from Astro: Excellent gaming peripherals and also eager to work with esports driven projects
Kevin Lin from Twitch: Primary supporters and incredibly easy to work with. Community driven mindset and projects

And most of all, the excellent players who are participating in this event and showcasing their new skills to everyone.

1) You have been working tirelessly for 4 days. So fucking impressive for somebody whos's basically unemployed. Just saying... so many people in and ALSO OUT OF esports work their asses off, in the US, in Europe and everywhere else. Working your ass off is a given these days.... just saying. Not meaning to offend you.

What is the point in this rant? It's just offensive, he is not bragging or anything, just saying that he put a lot of time in this tournament and hopes it will be a success... Had a bad day?
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Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
September 11 2012 16:32 GMT
#130
On September 12 2012 01:17 jaydee81 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 16:05 PainUser wrote:
Hey guys, have been working tirelessly over the past 4 days to put this together. Have also been playing HotS every waking moment. So excited for the possibilities and strategies we are going to see in this tournament. The amount of meta game shifting I have experienced leads me to believe we are going to see some truly unique playstyles here. This is the first of hopefully more to come, lets make it a special community event. We may have some guest casters on for early rounds in the tournament as well so stay tuned.

Special Thanks:
Aldenx: Main Admin and Stream Technician (if you like what you see get in touch with him)
Chris "Rezudox" Burke: All tournament graphics and overlays (same goes for him)
Walter from Astro: Excellent gaming peripherals and also eager to work with esports driven projects
Kevin Lin from Twitch: Primary supporters and incredibly easy to work with. Community driven mindset and projects

And most of all, the excellent players who are participating in this event and showcasing their new skills to everyone.


1) You have been working tirelessly for 4 days. So fucking impressive for somebody whos's basically unemployed. Just saying... so many people in and ALSO OUT OF esports work their asses off, in the US, in Europe and everywhere else. Working your ass off is a given these days.... just saying. Not meaning to offend you.



Where the fuck did that come from?
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
September 11 2012 16:53 GMT
#131
On September 12 2012 01:32 Arnstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 01:17 jaydee81 wrote:
On September 10 2012 16:05 PainUser wrote:
Hey guys, have been working tirelessly over the past 4 days to put this together. Have also been playing HotS every waking moment. So excited for the possibilities and strategies we are going to see in this tournament. The amount of meta game shifting I have experienced leads me to believe we are going to see some truly unique playstyles here. This is the first of hopefully more to come, lets make it a special community event. We may have some guest casters on for early rounds in the tournament as well so stay tuned.

Special Thanks:
Aldenx: Main Admin and Stream Technician (if you like what you see get in touch with him)
Chris "Rezudox" Burke: All tournament graphics and overlays (same goes for him)
Walter from Astro: Excellent gaming peripherals and also eager to work with esports driven projects
Kevin Lin from Twitch: Primary supporters and incredibly easy to work with. Community driven mindset and projects

And most of all, the excellent players who are participating in this event and showcasing their new skills to everyone.


1) You have been working tirelessly for 4 days. So fucking impressive for somebody whos's basically unemployed. Just saying... so many people in and ALSO OUT OF esports work their asses off, in the US, in Europe and everywhere else. Working your ass off is a given these days.... just saying. Not meaning to offend you.



Where the fuck did that come from?

Painuser wasn't bragging about the hard work that he was doing but it's still infuriating to see comments like that. If I was in a job that I loved, then I would work my ass off every day - and with HD and Painuser it certainly seems needed.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6931 Posts
September 11 2012 17:08 GMT
#132
ahh time zones suck ^^

looks nice, would definitely watch it if i could

good luck & have fun guys
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
CrackOfDawN
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany14 Posts
September 11 2012 17:10 GMT
#133
PHD, love it! I would watch live, but it starts at 4 a.m. for me so... gonna watch the VODs
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 11 2012 17:19 GMT
#134
Map pool is abysmal but thats expected given its blizzard beta maps. Sucks to see money invested in these maps though...Oh well players are great game is okay (needs patching obviously) so this might hold some potential!

GLGL Whitera!
Jaedong.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 11 2012 17:20 GMT
#135
On September 12 2012 01:32 Arnstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 01:17 jaydee81 wrote:
On September 10 2012 16:05 PainUser wrote:
Hey guys, have been working tirelessly over the past 4 days to put this together. Have also been playing HotS every waking moment. So excited for the possibilities and strategies we are going to see in this tournament. The amount of meta game shifting I have experienced leads me to believe we are going to see some truly unique playstyles here. This is the first of hopefully more to come, lets make it a special community event. We may have some guest casters on for early rounds in the tournament as well so stay tuned.

Special Thanks:
Aldenx: Main Admin and Stream Technician (if you like what you see get in touch with him)
Chris "Rezudox" Burke: All tournament graphics and overlays (same goes for him)
Walter from Astro: Excellent gaming peripherals and also eager to work with esports driven projects
Kevin Lin from Twitch: Primary supporters and incredibly easy to work with. Community driven mindset and projects

And most of all, the excellent players who are participating in this event and showcasing their new skills to everyone.


1) You have been working tirelessly for 4 days. So fucking impressive for somebody whos's basically unemployed. Just saying... so many people in and ALSO OUT OF esports work their asses off, in the US, in Europe and everywhere else. Working your ass off is a given these days.... just saying. Not meaning to offend you.



Where the fuck did that come from?

Yeah.... wtff
Jaedong.
Harbinger631
Profile Joined September 2010
United States376 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 17:38:58
September 11 2012 17:38 GMT
#136
On September 12 2012 02:20 Kal_rA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 01:32 Arnstein wrote:
On September 12 2012 01:17 jaydee81 wrote:
On September 10 2012 16:05 PainUser wrote:
Hey guys, have been working tirelessly over the past 4 days to put this together. Have also been playing HotS every waking moment. So excited for the possibilities and strategies we are going to see in this tournament. The amount of meta game shifting I have experienced leads me to believe we are going to see some truly unique playstyles here. This is the first of hopefully more to come, lets make it a special community event. We may have some guest casters on for early rounds in the tournament as well so stay tuned.

Special Thanks:
Aldenx: Main Admin and Stream Technician (if you like what you see get in touch with him)
Chris "Rezudox" Burke: All tournament graphics and overlays (same goes for him)
Walter from Astro: Excellent gaming peripherals and also eager to work with esports driven projects
Kevin Lin from Twitch: Primary supporters and incredibly easy to work with. Community driven mindset and projects

And most of all, the excellent players who are participating in this event and showcasing their new skills to everyone.


1) You have been working tirelessly for 4 days. So fucking impressive for somebody whos's basically unemployed. Just saying... so many people in and ALSO OUT OF esports work their asses off, in the US, in Europe and everywhere else. Working your ass off is a given these days.... just saying. Not meaning to offend you.



Where the fuck did that come from?


Yeah.... wtff


Just a hater. Move along.

Super stoked for this tournament, can't wait to watch!
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 17:40:24
September 11 2012 17:39 GMT
#137
I hope some interesting strategies come out of this that flip what people have been criticizing about HOTS. Like maybe the warhound is actually a terrible unit and we just didn't know it.

Edit: Go WhiteRa!
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
September 11 2012 17:58 GMT
#138
Nice. A beta tournament. Should be pretty cool !!!
Administrator
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 11 2012 18:02 GMT
#139
On September 12 2012 00:07 renkin wrote:
History repeats... it was about time !

Inviting TLO would be interesting.


A thousand times this. When creativity is king I don't think there is a more fun player than TLO
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 11 2012 18:03 GMT
#140
On September 12 2012 03:02 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 00:07 renkin wrote:
History repeats... it was about time !

Inviting TLO would be interesting.


A thousand times this. When creativity is king I don't think there is a more fun player than TLO

and BoxeR
Jaedong.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 11 2012 18:04 GMT
#141
On September 12 2012 00:07 renkin wrote:
History repeats... it was about time !

Inviting TLO would be interesting.


A thousand times this. When creativity is king I don't think there is a more fun player than TLO
MrF
Profile Joined October 2011
United States320 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 18:08:47
September 11 2012 18:08 GMT
#142
cool I am exited for this, should be fun to see some games that people are really taking seriously as well as some games that are casted, as all i have seen so far are player streams, as to the people using "op" strats, all strats even "op" ones have counters so we will just have to see what they are, I am guessing we will be suprised at the end. thank you painuser for working hard on this, I cant believe someone would actually talk shit about someone puting in time and effort to bring us entertainment its all well and good to talk about how everyone works hard or whatever that lunatic said but when the hard work is being put in to bring us happines and entertainment a little apreciation is a lot better than pointless unfounded flaming...
HunterXHunter is awesome
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
September 11 2012 18:29 GMT
#143
go suppy go!!
ULuMuGuLu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 18:42:29
September 11 2012 18:38 GMT
#144
dude there is not fckin countdown or anything else on TL... cant find it on upcoming events and NOBODY knows where it will be streamed or whatever, i cant even plan to watch it ...
Rezudox
Profile Joined July 2012
207 Posts
September 11 2012 18:43 GMT
#145
On September 12 2012 03:38 ULuMuGuLu wrote:
dude there is not fckin countdown or anything else on TL... cant find it on upcoming events and NOBODY knows where it will be streamed or whatever, i cant even plan to watch it ...


All of that information is in the OP.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 11 2012 18:43 GMT
#146
On September 12 2012 03:38 ULuMuGuLu wrote:
dude there is not fckin countdown or anything else on TL... cant find it on upcoming events and NOBODY knows where it will be streamed or whatever, i cant even plan to watch it ...

dude, all the info is in the OP.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Moosy
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada396 Posts
September 11 2012 19:04 GMT
#147
Suppy definitely a favourite here. Destiny the fan-favourite.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
September 11 2012 19:40 GMT
#148
On September 12 2012 01:17 jaydee81 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 16:05 PainUser wrote:
Hey guys, have been working tirelessly over the past 4 days to put this together. Have also been playing HotS every waking moment. So excited for the possibilities and strategies we are going to see in this tournament. The amount of meta game shifting I have experienced leads me to believe we are going to see some truly unique playstyles here. This is the first of hopefully more to come, lets make it a special community event. We may have some guest casters on for early rounds in the tournament as well so stay tuned.

Special Thanks:
Aldenx: Main Admin and Stream Technician (if you like what you see get in touch with him)
Chris "Rezudox" Burke: All tournament graphics and overlays (same goes for him)
Walter from Astro: Excellent gaming peripherals and also eager to work with esports driven projects
Kevin Lin from Twitch: Primary supporters and incredibly easy to work with. Community driven mindset and projects

And most of all, the excellent players who are participating in this event and showcasing their new skills to everyone.


1) You have been working tirelessly for 4 days. So fucking impressive for somebody whos's basically unemployed. Just saying... so many people in and ALSO OUT OF esports work their asses off, in the US, in Europe and everywhere else. Working your ass off is a given these days.... just saying. Not meaning to offend you.



what the fuck? O_O
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Xetrael
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria41 Posts
September 11 2012 19:53 GMT
#149
curious how high destiny will lose.... hope catz gets further in the tournament tough
P7GAB
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada486 Posts
September 11 2012 19:55 GMT
#150
On September 12 2012 01:17 jaydee81 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 16:05 PainUser wrote:
Hey guys, have been working tirelessly over the past 4 days to put this together. Have also been playing HotS every waking moment. So excited for the possibilities and strategies we are going to see in this tournament. The amount of meta game shifting I have experienced leads me to believe we are going to see some truly unique playstyles here. This is the first of hopefully more to come, lets make it a special community event. We may have some guest casters on for early rounds in the tournament as well so stay tuned.

Special Thanks:
Aldenx: Main Admin and Stream Technician (if you like what you see get in touch with him)
Chris "Rezudox" Burke: All tournament graphics and overlays (same goes for him)
Walter from Astro: Excellent gaming peripherals and also eager to work with esports driven projects
Kevin Lin from Twitch: Primary supporters and incredibly easy to work with. Community driven mindset and projects

And most of all, the excellent players who are participating in this event and showcasing their new skills to everyone.


1) You have been working tirelessly for 4 days. So fucking impressive for somebody whos's basically unemployed. Just saying... so many people in and ALSO OUT OF esports work their asses off, in the US, in Europe and everywhere else. Working your ass off is a given these days.... just saying. Not meaning to offend you.

2) I hope you reconsider the idea about guest casters and get them for all/most games. I think the majority of the community really enjoys pro(-co)-casters and it would make a lot of viewers really happy to see this (as much as possible) and it seems like you might have the possibility.

I hope I stayed within TL policy, because I tried.

Have a good day.



you sound angry.. maybe your tired of your minimum wage paying job?
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 20:17:34
September 11 2012 20:13 GMT
#151
On September 12 2012 01:17 jaydee81 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 16:05 PainUser wrote:
Hey guys, have been working tirelessly over the past 4 days to put this together. Have also been playing HotS every waking moment. So excited for the possibilities and strategies we are going to see in this tournament. The amount of meta game shifting I have experienced leads me to believe we are going to see some truly unique playstyles here. This is the first of hopefully more to come, lets make it a special community event. We may have some guest casters on for early rounds in the tournament as well so stay tuned.

Special Thanks:
Aldenx: Main Admin and Stream Technician (if you like what you see get in touch with him)
Chris "Rezudox" Burke: All tournament graphics and overlays (same goes for him)
Walter from Astro: Excellent gaming peripherals and also eager to work with esports driven projects
Kevin Lin from Twitch: Primary supporters and incredibly easy to work with. Community driven mindset and projects

And most of all, the excellent players who are participating in this event and showcasing their new skills to everyone.


1) You have been working tirelessly for 4 days. So fucking impressive for somebody whos's basically unemployed. Just saying... so many people in and ALSO OUT OF esports work their asses off, in the US, in Europe and everywhere else. Working your ass off is a given these days.... just saying. Not meaning to offend you.

2) I hope you reconsider the idea about guest casters and get them for all/most games. I think the majority of the community really enjoys pro(-co)-casters and it would make a lot of viewers really happy to see this (as much as possible) and it seems like you might have the possibility.

I hope I stayed within TL policy, because I tried.

Have a good day.



Go away angry kid, watching at your posts makes clear that your problem is your very own paycheck, so pls stop insulting ppl that are ok with their life. Thank you for showing us that sad, angry people can use computers... Every time this: "Oh I hope the others fall down and are treated like shit so I can feel better"-bullshit...get a Life >.>

btt, really looking forward to this. I hope it will be as entertaining as the early SC2 Beta events ...
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 11 2012 20:16 GMT
#152
white-Ra must watch hope i don't miss it.
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
September 11 2012 20:25 GMT
#153
i will watch. but pacific time soo late for me
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
EmperorKira
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom107 Posts
September 11 2012 20:31 GMT
#154
Can we....idk, ban the warhound? lol I would have waited at least a month but well i guess there's no such thing as not enough esports!
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
September 11 2012 20:39 GMT
#155
so who are the other 2 players going to be???????
Terran it up.
GregMandel
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
France822 Posts
September 11 2012 20:50 GMT
#156
Inb4 Demu "1-base-warhound-murine-all-in" his way to the finals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8QLNiolfk - Racing with the sun
FishStix
Profile Joined April 2010
United States425 Posts
September 11 2012 21:17 GMT
#157
5 hours till go time
I do stuff in eSports
shadeux
Profile Joined March 2010
United States13 Posts
September 11 2012 21:31 GMT
#158
so this tournament doesnt start until 11pm eastern? can anyone confirm this for me?
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
September 11 2012 21:32 GMT
#159
Need some Liquid players in this tournament please!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Rawenkeke
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway350 Posts
September 11 2012 21:46 GMT
#160
Is this the long awaited.....HDH2?!
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3323 Posts
September 11 2012 21:48 GMT
#161
On September 12 2012 03:43 Rezudox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 03:38 ULuMuGuLu wrote:
dude there is not fckin countdown or anything else on TL... cant find it on upcoming events and NOBODY knows where it will be streamed or whatever, i cant even plan to watch it ...


All of that information is in the OP.

Except the start time in universal format.
Normally that wouldn't be a problem but since it's not listed on the calendar...
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 11 2012 21:56 GMT
#162
Bad choice on the start time.

In the middle of the week starting it that late just ... doesn't get many viewers. I'm actually quite interested in watching a HOTS tournament with these high tier players, but I'd need to stay up until like... 8am or so to finish watching all the games, maybe. Even East Coasters, fellow Americans, likely won't be able to watch all of this due to it being on tuesday.

I really don't see how it couldn't have been earlier... Seems like the worst possible timeslot for a tournament based in America.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
trancey
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
September 11 2012 21:59 GMT
#163
PainUser and HDstarcraft doing big things! <3
shadeux
Profile Joined March 2010
United States13 Posts
September 11 2012 22:13 GMT
#164
what time does this start? 7pm PACIFIC? so 11pm eastern?
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
September 11 2012 22:13 GMT
#165
On September 12 2012 06:56 Shikyo wrote:
Bad choice on the start time.

In the middle of the week starting it that late just ... doesn't get many viewers. I'm actually quite interested in watching a HOTS tournament with these high tier players, but I'd need to stay up until like... 8am or so to finish watching all the games, maybe. Even East Coasters, fellow Americans, likely won't be able to watch all of this due to it being on tuesday.

I really don't see how it couldn't have been earlier... Seems like the worst possible timeslot for a tournament based in America.


Yeah, I live in the US and this is too late for me to even watch the first game.
Never make a hydralisk.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
September 11 2012 22:22 GMT
#166
Sweet, will def tune in and watch, hopefully everything goes well
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Iranon
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States983 Posts
September 11 2012 22:30 GMT
#167
Oh no! I was all excited about this thinking it was about to start (7 eastern)... Looks like I won't be watching this after all; I need to be up at 5 for work tomorrow. Blah. At least the games tomorrow start earlier.
Mr.Apathetic
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia11 Posts
September 11 2012 22:58 GMT
#168
Hopefully Sheth is included he's playing tons of HotS
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
September 11 2012 23:21 GMT
#169
Question: Is this live?
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 11 2012 23:25 GMT
#170
No IdrA or TLO?

NO DEAL.
ULuMuGuLu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
190 Posts
September 12 2012 00:06 GMT
#171
i'm really really interested in this but the TL calender just made me realize, that this event starts at 4 !!! in the MOOORNING over here in Europe and at very late night in the US. Kind of reminds me to that one NASL event which started 2 hours earlier i think (and that was already unbelievably late)... like this NASL thing i dont expect very much live viewers... BUT i hope there will be vods that i can watch =) i really wanna see that HoTs Tournament
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
September 12 2012 00:08 GMT
#172
Dear ppl who don't understand time zones: 7pm PDT is 10pm EST, not 11....
Terran it up.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
September 12 2012 00:16 GMT
#173
You should do one with a qualifier....
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
DRTnOOber
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
New Zealand476 Posts
September 12 2012 00:17 GMT
#174
Would be interesting to see how the Protoss players do. Was watching White-ra's stream and with 7 bases to 3 it was still nearly impossle to beat mass Warhounds late game. A full 200/200 zealot/archon maybe kills 1/4 of an army of warhounds, then you need to re-warp in and do it again... or use mothership vortex. I wonder if any Protoss players will change race for the tourny?
But I'm off creep... and so I slow down, what are hellions doing here? I don't belong here...
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
September 12 2012 00:20 GMT
#175
QuanticIllusion and ROOTTT1 are the last two players. Pretty cool set of players!
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 00:20:59
September 12 2012 00:20 GMT
#176
EDIT: Just noticed the calander.

Yeah I'll wait for the vods on youtube. Wayy to late for me.
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FishStix
Profile Joined April 2010
United States425 Posts
September 12 2012 00:21 GMT
#177
#hype #hype #hype #hype #hype #hype #hype
I do stuff in eSports
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 00:25:05
September 12 2012 00:23 GMT
#178
Demuslim wins easy. Warhounds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
sycknesS
Profile Joined April 2009
United States83 Posts
September 12 2012 00:30 GMT
#179
On September 12 2012 07:13 shadeux wrote:
what time does this start? 7pm PACIFIC? so 11pm eastern?

10pm EST..
chris5180
Profile Joined July 2012
198 Posts
September 12 2012 00:49 GMT
#180
awesome!!! Can't wait to watch it, good luck to all the competitors and thanks for making an awesome tournament HD!!!
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 12 2012 00:50 GMT
#181
Too late for EU. This sounds awesome but I´m going to have to wait for the VODs.
:3
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
September 12 2012 00:56 GMT
#182
1 hour to go!!
@NvDox | Plantronics Nv: Rossi . mOOnGLaDe . deth . JazBas | @NvSC2 | @NvCoD | @NvLeague | @NvHearthstone | @NvDotA2 | @PLT_MF
Ranir
Profile Joined June 2011
413 Posts
September 12 2012 01:06 GMT
#183
THAT BEING SAID
KnT
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia243 Posts
September 12 2012 01:14 GMT
#184
Sigh, looks like my workday is over come midday haha

Going to be so unproductive because of this ^_^
I played a PvP last night, he had stalkers I had stalkers they both shot laser. I lasered harder and won.
TheSwedishFan
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden608 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 01:15:28
September 12 2012 01:15 GMT
#185
Must be a bitch for Whitera. It starts at 5am for him.
"Suck it" - Kennigit 2012
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
September 12 2012 01:25 GMT
#186
I'm so hype! I remember the first HDH invitational in the beta was so fun!
xerathul
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey12 Posts
September 12 2012 01:41 GMT
#187
get tlo in
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
September 12 2012 02:01 GMT
#188
It's almost time! MY BODY IS READY!
@NvDox | Plantronics Nv: Rossi . mOOnGLaDe . deth . JazBas | @NvSC2 | @NvCoD | @NvLeague | @NvHearthstone | @NvDotA2 | @PLT_MF
Kenthros
Profile Joined August 2012
United States95 Posts
September 12 2012 02:01 GMT
#189
That being said Geoff, warhounds.......

GOGOGO Destiny
Peace is a lie; there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
PauseBreak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States270 Posts
September 12 2012 02:06 GMT
#190
Gogo White-Ra! :D
biamila
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada335 Posts
September 12 2012 02:07 GMT
#191
Stream up yet??
Pr0d1gy2k5
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal110 Posts
September 12 2012 02:08 GMT
#192
BUFF WARHOUNDS, FUCK GEOFF ALL HAIL PAINUSER.

GL to WhiteRa, being late as fuck here in Europe must be a bitch, i can hardly focus as i type xD
aldennn
Profile Joined June 2010
11 Posts
September 12 2012 02:09 GMT
#193
It's started. COME ALL
ChiknAdobo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States208 Posts
September 12 2012 02:11 GMT
#194
can youpost link?
ZERg
delchuu
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany166 Posts
September 12 2012 02:16 GMT
#195
Keep it up
Victory Loves Preparation
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
September 12 2012 02:20 GMT
#196
Can we get overlays in future games? Didn't know who was playing for a good portion until that overseer finally came over WhiteRa' base.
Harbinger631
Profile Joined September 2010
United States376 Posts
September 12 2012 02:23 GMT
#197
Damn, have to go to bed now. I'll catch tommorow's games for sure though.

Gogo Destiny!
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
September 12 2012 02:24 GMT
#198
Who are the last 2 players?
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
Maxd11
Profile Joined July 2011
United States680 Posts
September 12 2012 02:25 GMT
#199
This is kinda dumb since the beta is so imba right now. If there were no prize it would be one thing but 2000$ to the player who can make the most warhounds is just silly. I'll be watching anyway and cheering for Demu!
I looked in the mirror and saw biupilm69t
j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
September 12 2012 02:26 GMT
#200
no HOTS unit used so far
someone_elses_lies@live.fr
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
September 12 2012 02:30 GMT
#201
On September 12 2012 11:24 HowardRoark wrote:
Who are the last 2 players?

Illusion and TT1 if I recall correctly (not completely sure on TT1).
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 02:45:24
September 12 2012 02:43 GMT
#202
not sure if HD and Painuser are reading this thread, but whenever a HOTS unit is made they should explain it a little bit. Or those HOTS rocks. Like mothership core to mothership. does that take longer than WOL MS? do you still need fb?
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
September 12 2012 02:44 GMT
#203
whitera-destiny looks like wol on a shitty map.
xlord 5:0
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
September 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#204
On September 12 2012 11:44 Awesomeness wrote:
whitera-destiny looks like wol on a shitty map.


Yup, lol.

These HotS maps have SO MUCH money. Jesus.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
September 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#205
omg that neural!
moo...for DRG
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
September 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#206
Looks like neither player feels comfortable using HOTS units yet.
Alex1Sun
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
494 Posts
September 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#207
On September 11 2012 09:26 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
I've watched a few of WhiteRA's games on Huskys feed, the poor chump doesn't stand a chance, he's playing awesome and still barely winning.

I actually like most of the Protoss new units, I think they (seem) fairly well thought out and balanced. The problem is the T and Z units simply seem far far stronger :/


Don't forget the old units as well. Hydras, Ravens, Battlecruisers, Ultralisks, Reapers have been buffed considerably. Protoss' old units didn't get any buffs.

Ah.. screw it, I'll be watching this tourney anyway even if protoss has no chance.
This is not Warcraft in space!
Harbinger631
Profile Joined September 2010
United States376 Posts
September 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#208
Sick move by Destiny.
trGKakarot
Profile Joined October 2011
United States129 Posts
September 12 2012 02:49 GMT
#209
Tempest, so bad.
hihi glgl
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
September 12 2012 02:50 GMT
#210
Tempest LOOL
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
September 12 2012 02:50 GMT
#211
I think the casting is perfect! It's definitely more based on energy rather than analysis, which is a good thing, since nobody knows shit about HOTS strategy yet
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25348 Posts
September 12 2012 02:51 GMT
#212
Wow Tempests really are as a bad as people have made out!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 12 2012 02:51 GMT
#213
On September 12 2012 11:49 trGKakarot wrote:
Tempest, so bad.


Posts like this are so dumb.

Of course the Tempest is going to be bad against mass roach(at least until they reach critical mass). They're meant to be seige units to deal with a "deathball", not a 200 roach army.

....
....
PauseBreak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States270 Posts
September 12 2012 02:51 GMT
#214
I think the Tempest is doing a pretty good job
aldennn
Profile Joined June 2010
11 Posts
September 12 2012 02:53 GMT
#215
I just wanted to say, thanks all for the compliments for stream. For how short notice I had (3 hours.. lol) and how limited resources there were available, I'm proud of my remote work. Apologizes for not providing the 1080p stream advertised, but the upload was a lower than normal today. 1080p VODS will be uploaded to HD's youtube.
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
September 12 2012 02:53 GMT
#216
LOL Tempests are SO bad. If those were carriers, that game would have been over 10 minutes ago
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25348 Posts
September 12 2012 02:53 GMT
#217
On September 12 2012 11:51 PauseBreak wrote:
I think the Tempest is doing a pretty good job

I like the unit incidentally, just it does appear to need some kind of tweak.

Weird series, without much HoTS stuff. Hoping for more novelty in the next game
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
trGKakarot
Profile Joined October 2011
United States129 Posts
September 12 2012 02:54 GMT
#218
On September 12 2012 11:51 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:49 trGKakarot wrote:
Tempest, so bad.


Posts like this are so dumb.

Of course the Tempest is going to be bad against mass roach(at least until they reach critical mass). They're meant to be seige units to deal with a "deathball", not a 200 roach army.

....
....


?

I am sorry, but they do such little damage ... he had 7+ Tempests and it still took two shots each (~4 seconds?) to kill an Overlord.

Currently they are only something to make when you are saying, "I have won, leave."
hihi glgl
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
September 12 2012 02:54 GMT
#219
Tempest made that game closer than it should have as people stated. All they did was try and fight a small corruptor army and basically lose. That engagement was lopsided due to the massive Stalker reinforcement warp in.
What does it matter how I loose it?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 12 2012 02:56 GMT
#220
On September 12 2012 11:54 trGKakarot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:51 Pandain wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:49 trGKakarot wrote:
Tempest, so bad.


Posts like this are so dumb.

Of course the Tempest is going to be bad against mass roach(at least until they reach critical mass). They're meant to be seige units to deal with a "deathball", not a 200 roach army.

....
....


?

I am sorry, but they do such little damage ... he had 7+ Tempests and it still took two shots each (~4 seconds?) to kill an Overlord.

Currently they are only something to make when you are saying, "I have won, leave."


They also have 22 range.
Deciding which units are best based on how much damage they do is awful to do in a complex game like Starcraft.


IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
September 12 2012 02:57 GMT
#221
tempests are really really bad, if you snipe the observers protoss can't do anything with the range which is like their only strength.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
September 12 2012 02:57 GMT
#222
On September 12 2012 11:54 trGKakarot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:51 Pandain wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:49 trGKakarot wrote:
Tempest, so bad.


Posts like this are so dumb.

Of course the Tempest is going to be bad against mass roach(at least until they reach critical mass). They're meant to be seige units to deal with a "deathball", not a 200 roach army.

....
....


?

I am sorry, but they do such little damage ... he had 7+ Tempests and it still took two shots each (~4 seconds?) to kill an Overlord.

Currently they are only something to make when you are saying, "I have won, leave."


They hard counter mass swarm host/brood lord.

That said I don't think they are viable against a decently balanced composition. Maybe making just 3 to harrass, but making more makes your army worthless in engagements.
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
September 12 2012 02:58 GMT
#223
building tempests to counter broodlords when already ahead... looked flashy but I think void-rays would have done the job just as well if not better (especially when the infestor count isn't that high and z is on <=4 bases)
"See you space cowboy"
RehnFreemark
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy144 Posts
September 12 2012 02:58 GMT
#224
On September 12 2012 11:56 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:54 trGKakarot wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:51 Pandain wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:49 trGKakarot wrote:
Tempest, so bad.


Posts like this are so dumb.

Of course the Tempest is going to be bad against mass roach(at least until they reach critical mass). They're meant to be seige units to deal with a "deathball", not a 200 roach army.

....
....


?

I am sorry, but they do such little damage ... he had 7+ Tempests and it still took two shots each (~4 seconds?) to kill an Overlord.

Currently they are only something to make when you are saying, "I have won, leave."


They also have 22 range.
Deciding which units are best based on how much damage they do is awful to do in a complex game like Starcraft.




They cost 300/300 EACH.
... He leads me on light years away, through astral nights, galactic days...
PauseBreak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States270 Posts
September 12 2012 03:00 GMT
#225
On September 12 2012 11:53 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:51 PauseBreak wrote:
I think the Tempest is doing a pretty good job

I like the unit incidentally, just it does appear to need some kind of tweak.

Weird series, without much HoTS stuff. Hoping for more novelty in the next game


I kind of expected a series without a lot of Hots units. I think it will be awhile before the new units are "discovered" and found good roles. Blizzard always has one intention for a unit and the community finds a completely different use! Which is cool.

I take everything the is Hots with a grain of salt. Its all going to be changed many times over.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
September 12 2012 03:01 GMT
#226
"i just want to save my resources"

From the man himself. White-Ra thinks the Mothership Core sucks
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
September 12 2012 03:01 GMT
#227
The problem is that the Tempest is not a capital ship. It's only good for poking and annoying the opponent. Does that sound like a capital ship to you? Bring back the carrier and scale down the tempest to a normal stargate unit.
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:03:24
September 12 2012 03:01 GMT
#228
Even with a significant amount of Tempests, it takes free vision and a lot of space to snipe the broods before the fight starts and the range collapses due to the low dps and low movement speed.

Edit: Also awesome whitera interview is awesome.
What does it matter how I loose it?
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
September 12 2012 03:02 GMT
#229
On September 12 2012 11:57 IshinShishi wrote:
tempests are really really bad, if you snipe the observers protoss can't do anything with the range which is like their only strength.

I don't care if they're bad, but they are really boring for us spectators. Even if they could one-shot a Hatchery it wont make them more esport friendly.
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
September 12 2012 03:04 GMT
#230
On September 12 2012 12:02 HowardRoark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:57 IshinShishi wrote:
tempests are really really bad, if you snipe the observers protoss can't do anything with the range which is like their only strength.

I don't care if they're bad, but they are really boring for us spectators. Even if they could one-shot a Hatchery it wont make them more esport friendly.

never said I liked them, but then again I like colossus and chargealots even less.
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PauseBreak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States270 Posts
September 12 2012 03:04 GMT
#231
I ♥ White-Ra! So polite and friendly!
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
September 12 2012 03:05 GMT
#232
On September 12 2012 12:02 HowardRoark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:57 IshinShishi wrote:
tempests are really really bad, if you snipe the observers protoss can't do anything with the range which is like their only strength.

I don't care if they're bad, but they are really boring for us spectators. Even if they could one-shot a Hatchery it wont make them more esport friendly.

Its great how everyone seems to think they know exactly what makes a "esports friendly" game.

Just great.
trGKakarot
Profile Joined October 2011
United States129 Posts
September 12 2012 03:08 GMT
#233
I mean, I know it is the Beta and not exact unit balance, but come on, the current state of those Tempest is just silly.

Saying they "hard counter" mass Broodlords is an even sillier statement for a couple reasons; mainly if they have enough money to mass Broodlords and you have enough Tempest to "hard counter" them, then they just remax on Roaches, and insta-win.

Again, you would have to have already won to justify making them.
hihi glgl
Herect
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil216 Posts
September 12 2012 03:10 GMT
#234
On September 12 2012 11:53 Fig wrote:
LOL Tempests are SO bad. If those were carriers, that game would have been over 10 minutes ago


Pretty much nope. They were so much costly and more build time requiring. You need something ridicolous like 6/7 chronnoboosted stargates to pump enogh Carriers to make a considerably impact on the field.

Carriers, at least in SC2, are just boring a-move game ending units (the best micro you could do with them is pulling out the weaken ones, just like the Warhound). They have a lot of beautiful sounds and lasers, but it's only that.

Tempest IMO desgin wise are just better. They are more tatical. They deal better with late game scenarios. Targete fire is really important to them. Just make 4/5 of them to snipe key unit like infestors and broodlords.

Fuck, the only cool thing about carriers are they are cool. Even in BW they were gimmick and they didn't add too much depth in the game. Stop trying to "save" a unit like that.

Worst than that are Toss players asking for the removal of the Warpgate/Sentries for more stronger gateway units. Fuck that, you just want an more a-move friendly army instead of a micro requiring one. That's ridiculous.

RehnFreemark
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy144 Posts
September 12 2012 03:13 GMT
#235
On September 12 2012 12:10 Herect wrote:
Worst than that are Toss players asking for the removal of the Warpgate/Sentries for more stronger gateway units. Fuck that, you just want an more a-move friendly army instead of a micro requiring one. That's ridiculous.


Yeah, not like Warhounds that a-kill everything or swarm hosts that don't even require a-moving cause they kill stuff by just standing still burrowed. Pathetic.
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
September 12 2012 03:13 GMT
#236
5 rax reaper?!
RehnFreemark
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy144 Posts
September 12 2012 03:19 GMT
#237
Lol this looks more like WoL beta than HotS beta. Says a lot.
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
September 12 2012 03:20 GMT
#238
Illusion knows the formula to success, Make Warhounds.
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
September 12 2012 03:20 GMT
#239
Reaper strat is back :D
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Herect
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil216 Posts
September 12 2012 03:21 GMT
#240
On September 12 2012 12:13 RehnFreemark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 12:10 Herect wrote:
Worst than that are Toss players asking for the removal of the Warpgate/Sentries for more stronger gateway units. Fuck that, you just want an more a-move friendly army instead of a micro requiring one. That's ridiculous.


Yeah, not like Warhounds that a-kill everything or swarm hosts that don't even require a-moving cause they kill stuff by just standing still burrowed. Pathetic.


Tanks kill stuff by themselves. But you have to positioning/set/etc. You can increase Swarmhost efficiency setting better path to the locusts to reduce AoE.

Late/Mid game pure Warhound compositions are just bad, any moire sotisphicated gameplay using forcefields/flanks/chokepoints/position can deal with them. They just don't have a hard counter. And that's great. Hard counters are the worst shit in the game by far.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
September 12 2012 03:22 GMT
#241
That certainly looked like a Beta game lol. I'm pretty much getting flashbacks of HDH invitational (some sort of... quad gate rush?). Cool seeing strategies implemented.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
September 12 2012 03:25 GMT
#242
This map makes me think of Act 4 Diablo 3
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
September 12 2012 03:26 GMT
#243
On September 12 2012 12:10 Herect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:53 Fig wrote:
LOL Tempests are SO bad. If those were carriers, that game would have been over 10 minutes ago


Pretty much nope. They were so much costly and more build time requiring. You need something ridicolous like 6/7 chronnoboosted stargates to pump enogh Carriers to make a considerably impact on the field.

Carriers, at least in SC2, are just boring a-move game ending units (the best micro you could do with them is pulling out the weaken ones, just like the Warhound). They have a lot of beautiful sounds and lasers, but it's only that.

Tempest IMO desgin wise are just better. They are more tatical. They deal better with late game scenarios. Targete fire is really important to them. Just make 4/5 of them to snipe key unit like infestors and broodlords.

Fuck, the only cool thing about carriers are they are cool. Even in BW they were gimmick and they didn't add too much depth in the game. Stop trying to "save" a unit like that.

Worst than that are Toss players asking for the removal of the Warpgate/Sentries for more stronger gateway units. Fuck that, you just want an more a-move friendly army instead of a micro requiring one. That's ridiculous.


Lol the point was not to say that I want carriers to replace tempests. The point was to illustrate that a unit that Blizzard thinks has no place (the carrier), would have been infinitely more useful than the tempest in that scenario.

I know carriers take longer to build than tempests, but that is just because Blizzard never tried to make them viable them. And even with their current stupidly long build time, having 4 carriers there would have been better than the 9 tempests were.

The idea of the Tempest is fine, but the way they designed the unit is stupid, because it is not a capital ship. As I have been saying, a unit that merely annoys an opponent and pokes them is not fit to be a capital ship costing 300/300 and 6 supply. Instead they should shrink down the model and make it a normal stargate unit. Then give toss an actual capital ship.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
September 12 2012 03:29 GMT
#244
On September 12 2012 12:26 Fig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 12:10 Herect wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:53 Fig wrote:
LOL Tempests are SO bad. If those were carriers, that game would have been over 10 minutes ago


Pretty much nope. They were so much costly and more build time requiring. You need something ridicolous like 6/7 chronnoboosted stargates to pump enogh Carriers to make a considerably impact on the field.

Carriers, at least in SC2, are just boring a-move game ending units (the best micro you could do with them is pulling out the weaken ones, just like the Warhound). They have a lot of beautiful sounds and lasers, but it's only that.

Tempest IMO desgin wise are just better. They are more tatical. They deal better with late game scenarios. Targete fire is really important to them. Just make 4/5 of them to snipe key unit like infestors and broodlords.

Fuck, the only cool thing about carriers are they are cool. Even in BW they were gimmick and they didn't add too much depth in the game. Stop trying to "save" a unit like that.

Worst than that are Toss players asking for the removal of the Warpgate/Sentries for more stronger gateway units. Fuck that, you just want an more a-move friendly army instead of a micro requiring one. That's ridiculous.


Lol the point was not to say that I want carriers to replace tempests. The point was to illustrate that a unit that Blizzard thinks has no place (the carrier), would have been infinitely more useful than the tempest in that scenario.

I know carriers take longer to build than tempests, but that is just because Blizzard never tried to make them viable them. And even with their current stupidly long build time, having 4 carriers there would have been better than the 9 tempests were.

The idea of the Tempest is fine, but the way they designed the unit is stupid, because it is not a capital ship. As I have been saying, a unit that merely annoys an opponent and pokes them is not fit to be a capital ship costing 300/300 and 6 supply. Instead they should shrink down the model and make it a normal stargate unit. Then give toss an actual capital ship.


Agreed. The good news is Blizzard's looking into that now apparently so hopefully the next patch will give us something to get excited about.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
September 12 2012 03:31 GMT
#245
Predicting a massive, massive Terran victory.
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Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:35:05
September 12 2012 03:34 GMT
#246
On September 12 2012 12:29 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 12:26 Fig wrote:
On September 12 2012 12:10 Herect wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:53 Fig wrote:
LOL Tempests are SO bad. If those were carriers, that game would have been over 10 minutes ago


Pretty much nope. They were so much costly and more build time requiring. You need something ridicolous like 6/7 chronnoboosted stargates to pump enogh Carriers to make a considerably impact on the field.

Carriers, at least in SC2, are just boring a-move game ending units (the best micro you could do with them is pulling out the weaken ones, just like the Warhound). They have a lot of beautiful sounds and lasers, but it's only that.

Tempest IMO desgin wise are just better. They are more tatical. They deal better with late game scenarios. Targete fire is really important to them. Just make 4/5 of them to snipe key unit like infestors and broodlords.

Fuck, the only cool thing about carriers are they are cool. Even in BW they were gimmick and they didn't add too much depth in the game. Stop trying to "save" a unit like that.

Worst than that are Toss players asking for the removal of the Warpgate/Sentries for more stronger gateway units. Fuck that, you just want an more a-move friendly army instead of a micro requiring one. That's ridiculous.


Lol the point was not to say that I want carriers to replace tempests. The point was to illustrate that a unit that Blizzard thinks has no place (the carrier), would have been infinitely more useful than the tempest in that scenario.

I know carriers take longer to build than tempests, but that is just because Blizzard never tried to make them viable them. And even with their current stupidly long build time, having 4 carriers there would have been better than the 9 tempests were.

The idea of the Tempest is fine, but the way they designed the unit is stupid, because it is not a capital ship. As I have been saying, a unit that merely annoys an opponent and pokes them is not fit to be a capital ship costing 300/300 and 6 supply. Instead they should shrink down the model and make it a normal stargate unit. Then give toss an actual capital ship.


Agreed. The good news is Blizzard's looking into that now apparently so hopefully the next patch will give us something to get excited about.

+1, Four carriers would have still outdpsed the tempests by quite a bit anyways.
Also pretty funny that he claimed they were a gimmick in BW. Totally core and viable unit in late game PvT, guess it is a gimmick. Super interesting micro and unique usage in the other matchups. Yeah no depth lol
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envisioN .
Profile Joined February 2011
United States552 Posts
September 12 2012 03:35 GMT
#247
Link to Bracket?
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rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
September 12 2012 03:38 GMT
#248
On September 12 2012 12:35 envisioN . wrote:
Link to Bracket?

http://challonge.com/phd
Results so far:
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:40:13
September 12 2012 03:39 GMT
#249
On September 12 2012 12:35 envisioN . wrote:
Link to Bracket?

Here

Which reminds me, bit surprised they didn't put a PvT in the RO8.
envisioN .
Profile Joined February 2011
United States552 Posts
September 12 2012 03:41 GMT
#250
On September 12 2012 12:39 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 12:35 envisioN . wrote:
Link to Bracket?

Here

Which reminds me, bit surprised they didn't put a PvT in the RO8.

Thank you!
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RehnFreemark
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy144 Posts
September 12 2012 03:41 GMT
#251
On September 12 2012 12:21 Herect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 12:13 RehnFreemark wrote:
On September 12 2012 12:10 Herect wrote:
Worst than that are Toss players asking for the removal of the Warpgate/Sentries for more stronger gateway units. Fuck that, you just want an more a-move friendly army instead of a micro requiring one. That's ridiculous.


Yeah, not like Warhounds that a-kill everything or swarm hosts that don't even require a-moving cause they kill stuff by just standing still burrowed. Pathetic.


Tanks kill stuff by themselves. But you have to positioning/set/etc. You can increase Swarmhost efficiency setting better path to the locusts to reduce AoE.


Good point, but you're the one saying that it's protoss who want a-move units instead of micro-oriented ones. Seems your suggestion was aimed at the wrong race
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25348 Posts
September 12 2012 03:42 GMT
#252
On September 12 2012 12:39 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 12:35 envisioN . wrote:
Link to Bracket?

Here

Which reminds me, bit surprised they didn't put a PvT in the RO8.

Have you watched PvT in the current HoTS build?

Nah it is always good to get a bit of matchup variation, I'd assume they randomised the brackets
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IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
September 12 2012 03:43 GMT
#253
the games were awful but I'm still enjoying it somehow, probably because beta tournaments are so awesome no matter what.
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jimbobicus
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada23 Posts
September 12 2012 03:49 GMT
#254
So I just want to say first off thanks for hosting this tournament. I've enjoyed the casting so far. However, I'm disappointed in the players. So far haven't seen many use of the HoTS units. I kinda was looking forward to a really dynamic HoTS tournament...and as it stands now (before TT1 and Catz play) it's been pretty lackluster. I don't blame the organization, but the players. This could have been much more interesting.
PauseBreak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:56:00
September 12 2012 03:52 GMT
#255
On September 12 2012 12:49 jimbobicus wrote:
So I just want to say first off thanks for hosting this tournament. I've enjoyed the casting so far. However, I'm disappointed in the players. So far haven't seen many use of the HoTS units. I kinda was looking forward to a really dynamic HoTS tournament...and as it stands now (before TT1 and Catz play) it's been pretty lackluster. I don't blame the organization, but the players. This could have been much more interesting.


The Beta has only been out for a week now. Most of the new units aren't until late game. It takes time for units to fill and secure a role. I'm not at all disappointed; I'd rather watch this type of game than having players just massing the new units and attacking and hoping to come out on top.

I have to retract my previous statement. Catz is just a cheese. Might as well have invited CombatEX to this tournament.
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
September 12 2012 03:55 GMT
#256
On September 12 2012 12:49 jimbobicus wrote:
So I just want to say first off thanks for hosting this tournament. I've enjoyed the casting so far. However, I'm disappointed in the players. So far haven't seen many use of the HoTS units. I kinda was looking forward to a really dynamic HoTS tournament...and as it stands now (before TT1 and Catz play) it's been pretty lackluster. I don't blame the organization, but the players. This could have been much more interesting.


This is because they want to win.
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
September 12 2012 03:56 GMT
#257
On September 12 2012 12:49 jimbobicus wrote:
So I just want to say first off thanks for hosting this tournament. I've enjoyed the casting so far. However, I'm disappointed in the players. So far haven't seen many use of the HoTS units. I kinda was looking forward to a really dynamic HoTS tournament...and as it stands now (before TT1 and Catz play) it's been pretty lackluster. I don't blame the organization, but the players. This could have been much more interesting.

Its still really early in the beta and there's 2000 dollars on the line. These guys wanna win.

Anyone using strategies based around the new units are essentially gambling, as the metagame on how to use them correctly just isn't there yet.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25348 Posts
September 12 2012 04:03 GMT
#258
On September 12 2012 12:55 lowercase wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 12:49 jimbobicus wrote:
So I just want to say first off thanks for hosting this tournament. I've enjoyed the casting so far. However, I'm disappointed in the players. So far haven't seen many use of the HoTS units. I kinda was looking forward to a really dynamic HoTS tournament...and as it stands now (before TT1 and Catz play) it's been pretty lackluster. I don't blame the organization, but the players. This could have been much more interesting.


This is because they want to win.

Yeah you can't expect 2000 dollars to just be passed up I guess!
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
September 12 2012 04:03 GMT
#259
haha, remember when catz did his 4 drone rush lol, he's still crazy
emjaytron
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia544 Posts
September 12 2012 04:04 GMT
#260
that was a surprisingly solid followup to a 6 pool
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Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 04:05:01
September 12 2012 04:04 GMT
#261
We did it Mommy! CatZ always so entertaining :D
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
September 12 2012 04:06 GMT
#262
I hadn't realized quite how bad protoss is in HoTS till now. How many HP does the mothership core have if it can die to literally four infested terran? FOUR, that's not a lot of infested marines and it died in like five seconds. I noticed the oracle costs a wopping 200 gas which is frankly ridiculous. You could almost get 2 DTs for that much gas.

Anyway, that's what beta is for I guess but Toss has a loooooooong way to go. GJ for Catz tho that build was SO SICK.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 04:06:57
September 12 2012 04:06 GMT
#263
Man I don't know if it was just Catz being Catz but that looked like a solid and viable way to pressure toss as long as queens can bully observers back.

I'm very excited for swarm hosts now.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 04:18:33
September 12 2012 04:18 GMT
#264
wow swarm hosts are good..
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 12 2012 04:18 GMT
#265
Hmmm...

So with Swarm Hosts, are Protoss 2base allins viable anymore?
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meadbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States681 Posts
September 12 2012 04:20 GMT
#266
On September 12 2012 13:18 Shikyo wrote:
Hmmm...

So with Swarm Hosts, are Protoss 2base allins viable anymore?

I think Protoss isn't viable anymore
As hard as 2 base all-inning is, defending a third seems much harder.
Silver777
Profile Joined March 2010
United States347 Posts
September 12 2012 04:22 GMT
#267
On September 12 2012 13:18 Shikyo wrote:
Hmmm...

So with Swarm Hosts, are Protoss 2base allins viable anymore?


I am unsure of what you are talking about, there are only 2 races in HOTS atm, Terran and Zerg.
KholdBloodeD
Profile Joined March 2012
United States11 Posts
September 12 2012 04:22 GMT
#268
On September 12 2012 13:18 Shikyo wrote:
Hmmm...

So with Swarm Hosts, are Protoss 2base allins viable anymore?


Doesn't look like it...just a few of those swarm hosts/locusts will completely melt the three immortals which pretty much makes the attack useless.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
September 12 2012 04:22 GMT
#269
Fuck I hope they buff toss rather than nerf swarmhosts. I mean sure maybe a little nerf if necessary... But really toss needs so much right now. It makes sense that locusts would be good against immortals, there's nothing wrong with that. They might just make immortal sentry all-ins unviable and right now there's not many other ways to go protoss especially if they don't make the core a fair bit better.

...I wonder if they could make the core only require gateway tech and make it have to stay within a certain radius of a nexus... or something like that... Hard to say.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25348 Posts
September 12 2012 04:22 GMT
#270
Haha, I know some of us Protoss wanted to make the race a bit more difficult but this is ridiculous guys!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
RehnFreemark
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy144 Posts
September 12 2012 04:25 GMT
#271
On September 12 2012 13:06 TheDougler wrote:
I hadn't realized quite how bad protoss is in HoTS till now. How many HP does the mothership core have if it can die to literally four infested terran? FOUR, that's not a lot of infested marines and it died in like five seconds. I noticed the oracle costs a wopping 200 gas which is frankly ridiculous. You could almost get 2 DTs for that much gas.

Anyway, that's what beta is for I guess but Toss has a loooooooong way to go. GJ for Catz tho that build was SO SICK.


I don't remember the numbers, but yes Mothercore is pretty weak, around what a regular gateway unit would have as hp/shields. Theorically it's not supposed to be a combat unit, but the sad and harsh truth is that it is absolutely useless to have sitting in base (energize is a good ability on paper, but it has nearly zero usefulness in practice since it's only really good to recharge oracle's energy, and oracle is rubbish; mass recall is good but even with that you don't really push in early game as protoss because you don't have any option to do it effectively without going all in. Purify is a half decent attack ability but only in desperate situations, any protoss would rather have a couple of stalkers more to help defend, rather than the mothership core).

Catz build was good, but when you get a unit that spawns attacking unit for free, and is burrowed, and frankly doesn't cost as much as zergs would make you believe, it's not hard to make it work. Just remember that in game 1 Catz made that unit work after a failed six pool which should economically crush you... (granted, TT1 made a pretty blatant mistake spending money on stargate and especially on immortals, but then again, the only two things that can work against Swarm Hosts are colossi and HTs and good luck getting to that tech and a production in that situation)
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Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
September 12 2012 04:26 GMT
#272
Are they playing the whole tournament tonight???



And as far as Protoss goes, they need to go back to the drawing board, because unless they do some huge buff, there will be no Toss players once hots launches.
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rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
September 12 2012 04:27 GMT
#273
On September 12 2012 13:20 meadbert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 13:18 Shikyo wrote:
Hmmm...

So with Swarm Hosts, are Protoss 2base allins viable anymore?

I think Protoss isn't viable anymore
As hard as 2 base all-inning is, defending a third seems much harder.

With medivacs are 2base allins vs T viable anymore? Swarm hosts take quite a while to get to, and even when you get them it is not a certain defense. Catz techs fairly aggressively and he barely had any in time. It is possible to bypass them with blink/recall. TT1 recalled to the natural, but if he had managed a recall to the main it would be completely different. Also I imagine colossus would fry them.

Everyone agrees that P is a bit broken right now so almost any strat atm seems underwhelming, but 2base allin does definitely seem like it can work.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 04:33:55
September 12 2012 04:28 GMT
#274
Is there a place to check results?

Edit: Nevermind I actually thought to check liquipedia.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
September 12 2012 04:28 GMT
#275
On September 12 2012 13:22 Wombat_NI wrote:
Haha, I know some of us Protoss wanted to make the race a bit more difficult but this is ridiculous guys!


The original Mothership Core seemed so much better than the very slow 250 hit point air unit that is now the Mothership Core. The old one could teleport where it was needed, the new one... can hardly move...

Pretty sure an Overlord wins in a race...
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
September 12 2012 04:29 GMT
#276
On September 12 2012 13:18 Shikyo wrote:
Hmmm...

So with Swarm Hosts, are Protoss 2base allins viable anymore?

TT1s timing seemed off. He was dancing around the map waiting for the Mothership Core to get in position too.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25348 Posts
September 12 2012 04:31 GMT
#277
On September 12 2012 13:26 Havik_ wrote:
Are they playing the whole tournament tonight???



And as far as Protoss goes, they need to go back to the drawing board, because unless they do some huge buff, there will be no Toss players once hots launches.

All Round of 8 matches if I recall correctly.

But yeah Blizzard dropped the ball with Protoss. The issue to deal with deathball prominence is to give a benefit for Protoss players that can split it up, not to just give units that are forced to be separate from the main army. If splitting your forces gives you better results, good players would adopt it. Considering the amount of strong, strong units the other races have, Protoss still have to deathball up just like in WoL.

That said the pros may figure some more streamlined builds and openers at some stage. I'm not confident, but I'm hopeful that something will be in the works
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25348 Posts
September 12 2012 04:34 GMT
#278
On September 12 2012 13:28 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 13:22 Wombat_NI wrote:
Haha, I know some of us Protoss wanted to make the race a bit more difficult but this is ridiculous guys!


The original Mothership Core seemed so much better than the very slow 250 hit point air unit that is now the Mothership Core. The old one could teleport where it was needed, the new one... can hardly move...

Pretty sure an Overlord wins in a race...

The old core looked pretty good as a kind of auxillary macro caster/structure, kind of like a weird Protoss Queen. Its abilities are nerfed to the ground at the minute, as Kim said I think because it was made to feel'more of a unit'. They had to tone its defensive cannon down because it was used in big all-ins in close air positions and the likes.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
September 12 2012 04:35 GMT
#279
Sheth DESERVES an invite!!!!

Please invite SHETH!!!
SC2 Mapmaker
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
September 12 2012 04:50 GMT
#280
Haha so Warhounds excel at harassing too... I don't think there is any unit that has excelled in so many roles and simply been so just imbalanced.
Secret05
Profile Joined August 2010
United States342 Posts
September 12 2012 04:56 GMT
#281
do they not have the results posted anywhere?
Michigan Zerg Player
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
September 12 2012 04:58 GMT
#282
On September 12 2012 13:56 Secret05 wrote:
do they not have the results posted anywhere?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PHD_Inaugural_HotS_Beta_Tournament

why not check liquipedia first? .....
Secret05
Profile Joined August 2010
United States342 Posts
September 12 2012 04:59 GMT
#283
ya i was literally just about to post that i found it here

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PHD_Inaugural_HotS_Beta_Tournament
Michigan Zerg Player
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
September 12 2012 05:00 GMT
#284
go Kawaii~~
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
September 12 2012 05:01 GMT
#285
Huh, and Warhounds also haywire missle SCVs, you know, just 'cause.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
September 12 2012 05:07 GMT
#286
On September 12 2012 13:35 lorestarcraft wrote:
Sheth DESERVES an invite!!!!

Please invite SHETH!!!


it's much too late rofl

maybe for the next one!
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 05:14:25
September 12 2012 05:10 GMT
#287
On September 12 2012 14:01 TheDougler wrote:
Huh, and Warhounds also haywire missle SCVs, you know, just 'cause.


Probes too... and how is Protoss going to stop Warhound drops, seeing as they dominate Stalkers and Sentries, and Zealots are just too slow early and can't deal with the Medivacs.

Guess Protoss will just need to open with air units.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
September 12 2012 05:17 GMT
#288
lol demuslim tried to copy ForGG's entire build/strategy after ForGG completely destroyed him on the same map.

but it's a poor imitation.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
September 12 2012 05:20 GMT
#289
go Kawaii1!
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
September 12 2012 05:21 GMT
#290
nice play by Kawaii, Demu kinda feel apart at the end.
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33390 Posts
September 12 2012 05:22 GMT
#291
yay banshees, fuck warhounds ^_^
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
September 12 2012 05:24 GMT
#292
DeMuslim, that's what you get for doing a build order that you didn't practice, just because you got crushed by it lololol.

He's never done anything like that before until today -_-
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Toastmold
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada207 Posts
September 12 2012 05:26 GMT
#293
Fun tournament, thanks for setting it up guys. The random swearing seems a little odd though.
hi.
BadgKat
Profile Joined June 2011
United States156 Posts
September 12 2012 05:30 GMT
#294
Great tournament so far. Really excited to see the new units in action. Hope to see a Kawaii Vs. White_Ra final! Kawaii looked so good tonight. Really solid play.
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
September 12 2012 05:50 GMT
#295
On September 12 2012 14:22 Waxangel wrote:
yay banshees, fuck warhounds ^_^

Agree krice tear it up makes me smile! Old school bw unite :D!!!!!
Getting too old for this..
HDstarcraft
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States577 Posts
September 12 2012 05:55 GMT
#296
Hey guys! Thanks so much for tuning into the first day! We'll see you all tomorrow at 4pm PT
YouTube.com/HDstarcraft
Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
September 12 2012 05:56 GMT
#297
Fun stream can't wait till tomorrow
CommentatorAustralian SC2 Caster | Twitter: @MaynardeSC2 | Twitch: twitch.tv/maynarde
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25348 Posts
September 12 2012 06:19 GMT
#298
On September 12 2012 14:55 HDstarcraft wrote:
Hey guys! Thanks so much for tuning into the first day! We'll see you all tomorrow at 4pm PT

A thankyou back at you for some good content.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
jaydee81
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany119 Posts
September 12 2012 09:28 GMT
#299
On September 12 2012 04:55 P7GAB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 01:17 jaydee81 wrote:
On September 10 2012 16:05 PainUser wrote:
Hey guys, have been working tirelessly over the past 4 days to put this together. Have also been playing HotS every waking moment. So excited for the possibilities and strategies we are going to see in this tournament. The amount of meta game shifting I have experienced leads me to believe we are going to see some truly unique playstyles here. This is the first of hopefully more to come, lets make it a special community event. We may have some guest casters on for early rounds in the tournament as well so stay tuned.

Special Thanks:
Aldenx: Main Admin and Stream Technician (if you like what you see get in touch with him)
Chris "Rezudox" Burke: All tournament graphics and overlays (same goes for him)
Walter from Astro: Excellent gaming peripherals and also eager to work with esports driven projects
Kevin Lin from Twitch: Primary supporters and incredibly easy to work with. Community driven mindset and projects

And most of all, the excellent players who are participating in this event and showcasing their new skills to everyone.


1) You have been working tirelessly for 4 days. So fucking impressive for somebody whos's basically unemployed. Just saying... so many people in and ALSO OUT OF esports work their asses off, in the US, in Europe and everywhere else. Working your ass off is a given these days.... just saying. Not meaning to offend you.

2) I hope you reconsider the idea about guest casters and get them for all/most games. I think the majority of the community really enjoys pro(-co)-casters and it would make a lot of viewers really happy to see this (as much as possible) and it seems like you might have the possibility.

I hope I stayed within TL policy, because I tried.

Have a good day.



you sound angry.. maybe your tired of your minimum wage paying job?


That must be it. I might actually have the chance to move up the chain some time next year and start flipping burgers.
It was actually not supposed to come out as angry as it was perceived by some... I just thought I could enlighten some people by pointing out that starting this (or that kind of) post with "been [...] 4 days" is about as unnecessary as starting a job application with "I have read about your job opening in XY newspaper and would like to apply for the job".

It's unnecessary, obviously you want to apply for the job, why else would you mention it in the subject of your letter.

Of course you had to work to put this tournament together. That's what people do (if they want to persue a job in esports).

At some point in school, somebody might mention to you that very frequently, it's not as important what you write, but rather what you don't write.

Have a nice day my friend.

Cheers,
JD
johanreidel
Profile Joined December 2011
27 Posts
September 12 2012 09:40 GMT
#300
Anyone know what time they play CET?
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
September 12 2012 10:56 GMT
#301
How the hell did Ra win with P? Can't wait to watch vods!
Xetrael
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria41 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 14:05:37
September 12 2012 14:02 GMT
#302
haha destiny lost 2-0, guess it's time for him to stop playing once and for all

gogo grandpa-ra !!!!

EDIT: Sheth really would have deserved an invite... far more than destiny
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
September 12 2012 14:18 GMT
#303
Should be a TvT finals.

Warhound is pretty strong right now.

Play your best
Honner
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom65 Posts
September 12 2012 14:30 GMT
#304
On September 12 2012 18:40 johanreidel wrote:
Anyone know what time they play CET?


CET is +9hrs on PDT I think (PDT is GMT-8, CET is GMT+1)

So 4pm start PDT should be 1am European time. Hmm, have I got that right? Shame as it was earlier the previous night.

Feel free to correct me if someone else knows better!
chayde
Profile Joined October 2010
United States13 Posts
September 12 2012 14:42 GMT
#305
is there an updated bracket posted some place? I missed the games last night but would like to know who played who and how it panned out.
Xetrael
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria41 Posts
September 12 2012 14:43 GMT
#306
On September 12 2012 23:42 chayde wrote:
is there an updated bracket posted some place? I missed the games last night but would like to know who played who and how it panned out.


just check liquipedia
Liquipedia
Habitus
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom120 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 15:00:46
September 12 2012 15:00 GMT
#307
On September 12 2012 23:30 Honner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 18:40 johanreidel wrote:
Anyone know what time they play CET?


CET is +9hrs on PDT I think (PDT is GMT-8, CET is GMT+1)

So 4pm start PDT should be 1am European time. Hmm, have I got that right? Shame as it was earlier the previous night.

Feel free to correct me if someone else knows better!


PDT is GMT -7, but since UK is on BST at moment its -8, not sure if any of the GMT countries stay GMT or if all have daylight saving for summer. So yeah its Midnight for UK and others on daylight saving who are normally GMT and non-daylight saving CET, and 1am for CET who are on daylight saving, and if anyone happens to stay on GMT due to not having daylight saving its 11pm
RehnFreemark
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy144 Posts
September 12 2012 15:19 GMT
#308
On September 12 2012 23:30 Honner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 18:40 johanreidel wrote:
Anyone know what time they play CET?


CET is +9hrs on PDT I think (PDT is GMT-8, CET is GMT+1)

So 4pm start PDT should be 1am European time. Hmm, have I got that right? Shame as it was earlier the previous night.

Feel free to correct me if someone else knows better!


You've got it right. then again it depends on where in the Eu you are, it's 1am for me, could be midnight for others etc
... He leads me on light years away, through astral nights, galactic days...
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
September 12 2012 16:54 GMT
#309
lol; 1 terran got eliminated already. Clearly the beta is fine atm and warhounds aren't that powerfull.
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
September 12 2012 17:28 GMT
#310
The only terran that got eliminated got eliminated by a terran.

TERRAN CONFIRMED TO BE OP.

Hope White-Ra takes it home in the end.
Crainey
Profile Joined August 2011
Northern Ireland101 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 18:39:33
September 12 2012 18:37 GMT
#311
Just dropped in to let you guys know the tournament is thoroughly entertaining. The way you done the matchups with the stories makes it very entertaining.
Destiny and White-Ra, both players who like to experiment and think outside the box.
Catz and TT1, team-mates and friends who are a lot of fun and will always show good games.
Illusion and Suppy, both young up-coming players (More the latter for Suppy I guess).

Although, as you guys noted very early on you put too much cash on the line, it goes without saying that players are just going to stick to what they know instead of using Hots units. It's unfortunate that your timezone is 8 hours behind the UK where I am though, I ended up falling asleep before the Demus game which I was really looking forward to, props to White-Ra for staying up so late to play the guy sounded drained!
Good luck for day 2, I'll definitely be watching!
Gaming is much more than just a hobby.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 12 2012 19:20 GMT
#312
On September 13 2012 01:54 Mondieu wrote:
lol; 1 terran got eliminated already. Clearly the beta is fine atm and warhounds aren't that powerfull.


Yeah in a tvt
When I think of something else, something will go here
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
September 12 2012 19:49 GMT
#313
hey what time is the stream starting today? i know they said they were going to be starting earlier than yesterday...
Terran it up.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
September 12 2012 20:11 GMT
#314
On September 12 2012 23:02 Xetrael wrote:
haha destiny lost 2-0, guess it's time for him to stop playing once and for all

gogo grandpa-ra !!!!

EDIT: Sheth really would have deserved an invite... far more than destiny


I don't know about how he played, but in the other Hots cup by Take he managed to pass the first day and remain in the top 12.
K4m4Hl
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria100 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 21:32:18
September 12 2012 21:31 GMT
#315
isnt it supposed to be going on right now?


edit: nevermind, i just went full retard
Pr0d1gy2k5
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal110 Posts
September 12 2012 22:04 GMT
#316
WHAT TIME TODAY? I MUST WATCH THIS
Herect
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil216 Posts
September 12 2012 22:15 GMT
#317
Terrans wrecking everything. So nostalgic.
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
September 12 2012 22:30 GMT
#318
30 mins to it starts right?
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 22:33:06
September 12 2012 22:32 GMT
#319
On September 13 2012 07:15 Herect wrote:
Terrans wrecking everything. So nostalgic.

There are only 2 terrans in this tournament and they have only played each other so far...?

On September 13 2012 07:30 Nosferatos wrote:
30 mins to it starts right?

I think so
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
UrsusRex
Profile Joined July 2012
United States85 Posts
September 12 2012 22:59 GMT
#320
where can we watch it its not on teamliquid.net right now
"It is not sufficient that I succeed - all others must fail" - Genghis Khan
Gunhed
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany11 Posts
September 12 2012 23:06 GMT
#321
On September 13 2012 07:59 UrsusRex wrote:
where can we watch it its not on teamliquid.net right now


http://www.twitch.tv/painuser
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 23:26:56
September 12 2012 23:26 GMT
#322
Damn, Illusion is very good at keeping units alive in the earlie game =o
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
September 12 2012 23:31 GMT
#323
I somewhat think this tournament was a good idea, but maybe it was far too early as what Illusion did there looked so imbalanced :p
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
September 12 2012 23:33 GMT
#324
it wasnt imba ... whitera lost 5 probes then like 7 more to the drop, if he had done a better job at keeping them alive he would've been in a much better position to stop the push. he also forgot about 3 stalkers that were sitting in the corner of his base to defend drop that would've also helped a lot in the first / 2nd pushes. also his mothership core was in front and got targeted down instantly, when it should've been sitting in the back and doing damage.
www.root-gaming.com
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 12 2012 23:38 GMT
#325
well they wanted to be the first ones, became the first ones only by half a day, so i guess it couldn't be earlier. And no, not to imbalanced, as white-ra forgot 3 stalkers while the first attack was going on. (and well the harassment was pretty good). And well you could always go for a stargate opener.
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
September 12 2012 23:50 GMT
#326
Warhound/Battle Hellion seems super strong vs Protoss
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
KholdBloodeD
Profile Joined March 2012
United States11 Posts
September 12 2012 23:52 GMT
#327
Quite unfortunate throwing away that colossus by accident, although i'm not sure even having it would have helped him beat Illusion's warhound/hellions.
Slago
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada726 Posts
September 12 2012 23:53 GMT
#328
so far this has been awesome, thanks a lot guys
I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of... ah forget it
Herect
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil216 Posts
September 12 2012 23:55 GMT
#329
On September 13 2012 08:50 Nosferatos wrote:
Warhound/Battle Hellion seems super strong vs Protoss


Yep, on Robo, Whitera had nothing that could push back Illusion's army. Robo units are OK, but none of them crush that composition. He really should got some Archons or more sentries. Maybe more Immortals instead of more collossi could be good too.
Cove
Profile Joined March 2011
United States67 Posts
September 13 2012 00:02 GMT
#330
Loving this tournament. Thanks pHD. Total nostalgia-bomb from the WoL beta tournament with HD.
jiabung
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States720 Posts
September 13 2012 00:11 GMT
#331
CatZ wins with only WoL units
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
September 13 2012 00:11 GMT
#332
CatZ brilliant play
<3333
moo...for DRG
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
September 13 2012 00:20 GMT
#333
Has CatZ done that before in WoL? That build was mental in terms of how effective it was o_O!
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
September 13 2012 00:25 GMT
#334
On September 13 2012 09:11 jiabung wrote:
CatZ wins with only WoL units


lol the matches were so short
savior did nothing wrong
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
September 13 2012 00:29 GMT
#335
On September 13 2012 09:20 Qikz wrote:
Has CatZ done that before in WoL? That build was mental in terms of how effective it was o_O!


It's actually quite funny how many terrans will never have turrets in their base once they know you go infestors.
Burrowed infestors are just as dangerous as a flock of mutas.
moo...for DRG
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
September 13 2012 00:54 GMT
#336
is there anywhere i can see the brackets? ive missed so many games and want to see whos won what
No Artosis, you are robin
Harbinger631
Profile Joined September 2010
United States376 Posts
September 13 2012 00:59 GMT
#337
White-ra's harass is so good!
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
September 13 2012 00:59 GMT
#338
Ra vs Kawaii g1 was by far the most interesting pvt i've seen in ages.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25348 Posts
September 13 2012 01:08 GMT
#339
On September 13 2012 09:59 Jarree wrote:
Ra vs Kawaii g1 was by far the most interesting pvt i've seen in ages.

What was interesting about it? Missed it myself just tuning in now
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
September 13 2012 01:13 GMT
#340
braket link?
GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
September 13 2012 01:14 GMT
#341
On September 13 2012 10:13 lim1017 wrote:
braket link?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PHD_Inaugural_HotS_Beta_Tournament
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
September 13 2012 01:14 GMT
#342
nice way to fend of banshee with Mothership core, alas Warhound imba. xD
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
September 13 2012 01:26 GMT
#343
On September 13 2012 10:08 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 09:59 Jarree wrote:
Ra vs Kawaii g1 was by far the most interesting pvt i've seen in ages.

What was interesting about it? Missed it myself just tuning in now

Awesome harass by Ra, several back and forth battles, mothership vortexes, sniped nexai(?). not like WOL pvt where it all ends in one battle.
CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 01:41:18
September 13 2012 01:30 GMT
#344
White Ra makes this beta freaking fun to watch for me.
You can no more evade my wrath, than you could your own shadow.
SmileZerg
Profile Joined March 2012
United States543 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 01:50:30
September 13 2012 01:42 GMT
#345
That first game was cool purely thanks to DT and Zealot/Warp Prism harrass, but the main deathball vs deathball battles were just as bad as ever.

Third game somewhat fun because of a couple nukes. Everything else, same old same old.

Blizzard needs to fix their ugly artificial pathing (among several other things but that would be a big start). Starbow has completely spoiled me, I can't enjoy regular SC2 anymore.
"Show me your teeth."
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 13 2012 01:45 GMT
#346
yeah even with almost no HotS stuff involved, the games turn out really interesting and some go so base heavy. You get heavy early aggression and long macro games.
And well White-Ra just plays Protoss in a beautiful way. (feels a bit bwish)
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
September 13 2012 01:48 GMT
#347
Why are they still playing? It says bo3 until grand finals in OP and it's already 2-1 to whitera?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25348 Posts
September 13 2012 01:51 GMT
#348
On September 13 2012 10:42 SmileZerg wrote:
That first game was cool purely thanks to DT and Zealot/Warp Prism harrass, but the main deathball vs deathball battles were just as bad as ever.

Third game somewhat fun because of a couple nukes. Everything else, same old same old.

Blizzard needs to fix their ugly artificial pathing (among several other things but that would be a big start). Starbow has completely spoiled me, I can't enjoy regular SC2 anymore.

I've seen that a lot in his PvT games that got uploaded to Youtube. It seems you have to chip away at Terrans all over the place, throw your ball at them and have enough bank to throw another ball at them if necessary.

Kind of cool games though here
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
(Plum)
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1 Post
September 13 2012 01:52 GMT
#349
On September 13 2012 10:48 Jarree wrote:
Why are they still playing? It says bo3 until grand finals in OP and it's already 2-1 to whitera?


They agreed to play a BO 5.
Xain
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada94 Posts
September 13 2012 01:58 GMT
#350
I guess we can see that players are still too scared to use new units in tournament setting. Quite understandable actually, especially on the protoss side.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 03:24:43
September 13 2012 02:27 GMT
#351
grats white-ra for 3rd place !

and we have seen alot of use from the useful units. Viper missing, but swarmhost infestor style blocks the viper a bit costwise.
Why get an oracle if you can get a speed prism for harass (which unlocks robo tech fully) and well widowmine is owned by its 2 supply cost.

Battle hellions really deal with light melee units way to effective though x3.

grats illusion. I like the swarmhost even more now, makes the zerg feel the pain when your siege units are grabbed unsieged lol.
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
September 13 2012 04:54 GMT
#352
Congrats Illusion!
Getting too old for this..
Louis8k8
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada285 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 17:19:42
September 13 2012 17:19 GMT
#353
This proves that WhiteRa doesn't give a shit about balance and speshul tactiks cannot be nerfed.

Grats to Illusion, Catz and Ra.

I can't wait to see some sort of major korean hots tournament.
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