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ArcticRaven
France1406 Posts
On August 15 2012 04:26 Picklebread wrote: I feel like the warhound isnt even like freaking needed to play traditional mech like, the battle hellions kindve give mech that edge that it needed. They should be just extra AA imo. Exactly. It overlaps with tanks a lot. It has nothing to do with mech. | ||
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Yosi
Poland49 Posts
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Tomasy
Poland80 Posts
Putting artistic taste aside this unit isnt that BAD. I mean it's normal unit like roach, immortal or hydralisk. I dont say they should go for easy to use units but terran as it is now is allready hard to control so maybe adding some easy units isnt that bad. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10979 Posts
On August 15 2012 04:35 Tomasy wrote: We should wait for beta and give those units a try. Dustin Browder himself said that any unit which doesnt feel right can be removed during beta. Putting artistic taste aside this unit isnt that BAD. I mean it's normal unit like roach, immortal or hydralisk. I dont say they should go for easy to use units but terran as it is now is allready hard to control so maybe adding some easy units isnt that bad. Yeah, and you believe that because Colossus/Marauders/Roaches/weak ass Hydras are still in?...I seriously hope not... | ||
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
2. Very A-Click like, making it not very useful to micro 3. Doesn't feel very mech like 4. No AA These are the very things that make up SCII mech (especially #3). IMO the warhound is actually the ugliest unit of the SC universe. It looks like a Transformer except stupid... and why is it so big if all it shoots is a little missile? EDIT: "If units don't feel right they'll be removed in beta" -- Are you serious? Is that how you're going to balance your game, by removing things until it works? If something doesn't work then fix it; don't remove it and add something that might be better. Ex. the Carrier: Blizzard KNOWS from SC1 that this unit can work in Starcraft. They KNOW that it's likeable. It sort of works in SCII, it just needs a bit of changing, but instead of fixing it up they want to remove it and add a unit (Tempest) that is completely different from every other unit they've tried. What if the Tempest doesn't work, are you going to remove it?!?!? | ||
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ArcticRaven
France1406 Posts
On August 15 2012 04:35 Tomasy wrote: We should wait for beta and give those units a try. Dustin Browder himself said that any unit which doesnt feel right can be removed during beta. Putting artistic taste aside this unit isnt that BAD. I mean it's normal unit like roach, immortal or hydralisk. I dont say they should go for easy to use units but terran as it is now is allready hard to control so maybe adding some easy units isnt that bad. Yeah well... We already have some bad, boring units in the game (Roaches singlehandedly ruin my love of ZvZ). That's another reason not to add more. | ||
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Finnz
United Kingdom260 Posts
From what ive seen it just looks like a smaller version of a thor. | ||
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NOOBALOPSE
Canada802 Posts
On August 15 2012 01:50 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Current Terran units already require lots of micro to maximize effectiveness, what's wrong with having a couple a-click units in the mix? You really want to make Terran players micro even more than they already have to? No, but Terran is the only race that makes this game fun. The other matchups are much too simple. | ||
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xeqwist
55 Posts
It's kinda like when SC2 was in beta: People thought that Marine/Marauder was gonna be the main unit composition vs Zerg, Mainly Marauders actually because they could ' tank' the Baneling hits and kill the Roaches which people thought was gonna be the core unit of the Zerg composition. And what do we see today: Mostly Marine/Tank with lots of Marines, and Roaches are far from being a core unit vs Terran, Zergs are now (ab)using Infestors and Broodlords or Ultralisks vs Terran. So I think we should just wait and see, also you guys have to realize that the Battle Reports are heavily scripted to show off the new units, and they probably are far from what we are gonna see when the game comes out. ex.: + Show Spoiler + The "Mothership Core FE" that Protoss used in the BR I can not imagine being very viable because it literarily can only defend one nexus at a time, so nothing prevents a Terran player from scouting it and massing Reapers to just go wreck havoc on the main and if the Protoss teleports the Mothership Core the Reapers can just go to the natural, also the Purify ability won't last forever so a Terran player could make like 10 Marines, park them outside of the Protoss base and just send in squads of 2 or 3 marines at a time, this would either force the Protoss to sacrifice Probes or waste energy on the Mothership Core, to defend for 10 sec. then Terran can send in the rest of his forces, etc, etc. So my point is that what: we see of HOTS so far; are very far from what we are going to see when the game gets realeased so lets not worry too much about it. tl;dr: Nothing is figured out yet, so wait with your worries. | ||
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Recoil
United States276 Posts
On August 15 2012 01:54 ZeromuS wrote: I would prefer to make the other races micro more than make Terran micro less. As it is, making specifically a click units is boring. Why not have some more powerful tanks, and then make a micro unit. Its not like we will see bio/tank/warhound with bio splitting etc etc and all the other micro alongside these 1a units. These are high HP, high dps 1A infantry. Its different. My idea as well. Stop nerfing everything including difficulty. BW had many most would think overpowered units but every race had something OP so it balanced in a very unique way. STOP taking things away and making the game easier its going to be stale before ya know it. | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
I'm extremely underwhelmed by Blizzard's art department in general. The fact that they had placeholder units at MLG when all of SC2's models are very low detail.. that just doesn't make sense to me. And they can't even get unique icons for stuff in the recent battle report, but rather use icons meant for other things. When you compare that to how Valve are churning out new content for Dota2 at an insane pace, it just makes Blizzard look like a 3rd rate developer (which they would be without WOW money anyway) | ||
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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pmp10
3401 Posts
There is no escaping from warhound due to the simple problem of immortal. Terran mech will simply not work as long as hardened shields are resistant to tank shots - the only way to make it function is to use more special abilities that ignore/disable that special ability. For now the only question is whether haywire missiles will suffice - right now it looks like not-entirely. This would mean that you'll need ghosts for your mech and if your need to be building bio you can just as-well go full-out on it. | ||
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artosismermaid
213 Posts
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Antares_
Poland269 Posts
On August 15 2012 05:11 artosismermaid wrote: protoss has 1a immortals, archons and zealots, it is our turn Warhound sucks compared to Immortals or Archons. Just because Warhound is usable pretty much only in TvP. Archons and Immortals can be used in every matchup. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
1. It's ugly 2. Very A-Click like, making it not very useful to micro 3. Doesn't feel very mech like 4. No AA 1. I say it's good looking, now what... 2. It will join the land based ranged attack units with no micro abilities like the Hellion, Hydralisk, Colossus and Immortal. All of the those units do require micro to be useful and I think the Warhound will as well. As a matter of fact the Warhound does have a spell casting ability that utilized correctly will increase the demise of your enemy if you are focusing its fire. If you are going to use the Warhound vs siege tanks you'll have spread them out (requires micro), then attack and focusing anti-mech fire (micro). I would think that Warhounds will only be useful as a tank busting unit in open field battles in the higher echelon of play. As tanks will still decimate any unit that will go through a choke and will still be useful with supporting units. 3. I say it's does, now what... 4. While your at it, lets make the Hellion shoot units in the air too. | ||
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wcr.4fun
Belgium686 Posts
On August 15 2012 01:50 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Current Terran units already require lots of micro to maximize effectiveness, what's wrong with having a couple a-click units in the mix? You really want to make Terran players micro even more than they already have to? the fuck is this shit. If you're going mech, you're not going bio. So you have nothing to micro when you go mech. They should give zerg and protoss more micro-able units, you know. To make the game interesting!!??? | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
On August 15 2012 01:47 Kamwah wrote: It's an A-move unit, they're giving Terrans a way to be like the other two races. I agree that Terran could use more units that don't need babysitting, but that doesn't mean the units can't be more interesting. I like the concept of the battle hellion because it can act as a tank (which Terran needed) and can be a-moved, but it's interesting because it can transform into a hellion which is used in a completely different way. Although the Warhound will probably require targeting micro to make sure it's hitting armored units, it still can be more interesting. For example the immortal is very similar where it can't hit air and is supposed to be anti-armor, but the immortal has hardened shields making it more interesting. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
pls wait for the beta before you complain PLS | ||
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