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Jumbled
1543 Posts
On August 23 2012 03:09 O INSANE O wrote: The fact that the beta isn't even out yet and we have complainers about the new units is sad. Why doesn't the community just wait for the beta then complain? It's a reflection of how serious the problems with this unit are. Everything about its design seems detrimental to the game. | ||
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Crow!
United States150 Posts
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alexz
1 Post
I think that haywire must be some kind of a blinding cloud like viper has, but against single mech targets, making them unable to attack for several seconds. And it should not be a cloud of gas so that any unit can easily move out from it, but like an EMP impulse that switches of the weapons of a single target. With this ability warhound may be used as a tank unit that uses it's high HP to get closely to enemies tanks or colossus and quickly disable them. After changing warhounds dps (I think it should not be higher than 13-14) this ability can be easily adapted to make warhound very good against robotics(immortal/colosus) and factory(tanks/thors) units but weak against stalkers(against them main counter unit still will be maradeurs). | ||
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Silencioseu
Cyprus493 Posts
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Bommes
Germany1226 Posts
Thats pretty bad in the long run, because there are not many options on how to use the unit and they can even be limited more by your OPPONENT, so you don't even have the initiative on how much use you get out of the Warhound. Besides that, I'm fine with the unit, although I like the Goliath more from a visual perspective. I can't say anything about the balance and obviously all of the above is my personal opinion, maybe I am wrong. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
On August 23 2012 03:09 O INSANE O wrote: The fact that the beta isn't even out yet and we have complainers about the new units is sad. Why doesn't the community just wait for the beta then complain? Because then it will be too late. what are we here for if not to discuss starcraft?  | ||
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Aetherial
Australia917 Posts
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Alabast
United States65 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:54 Aetherial wrote: All the people saying "wait to the beta to judge" probably don't realize that there will be a limit as to what Blizzard will change once it goes beta. If we see serious design flaws now then the sooner they are addressed, or Blizzard states why these concerns are incorrect, the better it is. You must have missed the first beta. Infestors had frenzy. Overseers dropped infested marines. Neural Parasite could be casted while burrowed. Id say blizzard is willing to change quite a bit. They have even removed and added entire upgrades post-release. Also, instead of terran asking for new micro units, why not use the ones you already have? Sure the ghost gets some use, but if you are begging for micro add it in anyways. Or better yet.... a raven. (gasp). Cant get much more micro than a spell caster that you are fighting to keep alive. And I am missing something with all these claims that protoss and zerg are a-click races? Just because we dont stutter step our first units doesnt make the race an a-click army. Edit: After all that I forgot to put my opinion on the Warhound. I do feel like it fills the same role as the marauder a bit to heavily. Although that might be difficult to say because we dont have a specifically anti-mech unit in the game yet. It will cause protoss to play with more gateway and stargate plays instead of robo. Thatd be interesting. | ||
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furo
Germany449 Posts
so far i say NOTHING IS TOO STRONG :p | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3561 Posts
The Warhound is the essence of death ball. The Warhound is like the Immortal, a unit built to counter other set units. By them selves they suck, cuz they would die to certain units, but in a clump they help to add the perfect mixture of units which makes a death ball. It´s neat that we get a unit which deals + damage to mechanicle, since we didn´t see that yet, however if this is all the unit does it is too two dimensional and boring. Like the Immortal, like the Corruptor, like the Tempest (All neat about it, is it´s range, nothing else!) The Hydra does absolutely nothing, it has no abilities.. For the age we live in, all units should have abilities, more uses strategically/tactically. The Dragoon is in my opinion, one of the most boring units ever made, the Stalker however is almost my favourite. It´s amazing how much an upgraded ability can do. The Warhound is sadly more like the Dragoon and it´s rather uncanny to add in an expansion. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
In PvT No one in their right mind is going go robotics against it because it shits on everything on the ground that comes out of the robo and everything on the ground that can protect the robo units, basically making gateway compositions or air your go-to options against a player with enough factories. Likewise in TvT no one is going to play mech vs mech when these things exist, it will just become a battle of who can make more of them, and unlike colossus wars in PvP the best response would be to switch to a different strategy that didn't involve so many mechanical ground units. Worst case, we see some terrible warhound vs warhound games, or 1-sided games where protoss is stupid enough to attempt to make robo units against mech. Best case we rarely see the unit because everyone is smart enough not to do that. | ||
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Alabast
United States65 Posts
It might be one of those relationships like the hellion and speedling/chargelots. Sure the hellions damage counters the unit, just dont let it get touched. | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On August 23 2012 21:35 Alabast wrote: What is the proposed range on the things? Is it possible that tanks will still be able to wreck warhounds if you are able to keep an infantry line inf front of them? Or battlehellions I guess....... It might be one of those relationships like the hellion and speedling/chargelots. Sure the hellions damage counters the unit, just dont let it get touched. 7 range last I heard. | ||
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
On August 23 2012 11:06 Jumbled wrote: It's a reflection of how serious the problems with this unit are. Everything about its design seems detrimental to the game. Agreed but what can Teamliquid do about it? Seriously - we can all sook like babies here (me included) but it's not helping. Should TL do a full article on the unit on the front page? Should some pro gamers provide feedback through official channels? I find the unit design bad (concept and function) and design bad (graphics, animation, model) it's just a ... 'dumb' unit. Really, really dislike it. So very very Command and Conquer or Supreme Commander, it just seems... dumb and lame - not cool, not clever, not tough and not particularly 'terran' - very unstarcraft like to be honest. Ugh. | ||
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Izotz
Australia8 Posts
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FATJESUSONABIKE
184 Posts
also it will most likely fuck TvT up. and TvT is my favorite match up to watch and play, i'm mad. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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tino
Germany21 Posts
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
Watched couple of streams and it seems every T v T is Warhound fest. | ||
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