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Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
April 14 2011 04:18 GMT
#121
Yeah, it is almost completely luck based. Even if you're getting absolutely destroyed, you're not necessarily doing anything wrong. Just keep trying and eventually you'll start with some big streaks and win easily. If you're not about to win by 5:00, you're probably not going to.
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Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
April 15 2011 18:14 GMT
#122
I've done like 50 starjeweled vs insane now back to back with the 8 tanks then ghosts strategy but i lose every damn time, and it's starting to piss me off. Am I just unlucky, or too old and slow for these kinda games? :/
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Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
April 15 2011 20:19 GMT
#123
On April 16 2011 03:14 Firkraag8 wrote:
I've done like 50 starjeweled vs insane now back to back with the 8 tanks then ghosts strategy but i lose every damn time, and it's starting to piss me off. Am I just unlucky, or too old and slow for these kinda games? :/


keep going. It took me about 50 games, but the one I won was just lucky combos. Eventually you'll get it.

and before my ~100 games of starjeweled (about 20 for each difficulty before insane), I couldnt even beat Medium. so it just takes time, each one you play you get faster, and then in Insane you just need luck ontop of that.
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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
April 16 2011 05:47 GMT
#124
On April 07 2011 09:28 random user wrote:
I did pure tanks with storm and maybe a warp cell.

I'm not that good but I found the variance quite high. I would often get demolished within a couple minutes, but the time I beat it I crushed.

So I guess I'm saying is sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, and sometimes the board just loves you.



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Ryukku
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore545 Posts
April 16 2011 06:17 GMT
#125
i just did it on my first try. its pretty easy. i did the tanks + ghost unit combination. it was over in like 3 mins? i guess being a bejeweled fan helps cause i was keeping up with the amount of energy the insane AI was producing so i just steam rolled him.
lifecanwait
Profile Joined May 2010
96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 10:57:15
April 16 2011 10:43 GMT
#126
I got the achievement and to do so think of the following:

1. Always try to assemble three jewels AT THE BOTTOM of the screen, because as a consequence the proximity that three other ones will simultanously come together by chance at the top will slightly increase as well.
In contast: Assume that you match three jewels at the top row only. Then probably not much will change, i.e. only at the top row there will be any change at all, and three same coloured, falling jewels next to each other are very rare.
2. Mass tanks + 2 ghosts per 5 tanks. Use the unit-disable ability to stop any colossus/ultra the ai throws at you. Imho you don't have to use any storm (expensive), instead I prefer to mass more units to achieve more firepower.

Once you are fast enough to get out 6 tanks very quickly, you are good enough for insane ai. However, you should never stop jeweling to get some reinforcements. If the ai goes banshees, 2-3 hydras are not wrong either. Good luck :-)
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leungwk01
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1260 Posts
April 16 2011 14:28 GMT
#127
I know there isn't an achievement for this but has anyone tried to defeat an Insane+very hard AI together? or even insane + insane?
Vi)Chris
Profile Joined January 2003
United States700 Posts
April 16 2011 18:36 GMT
#128
Is anyone having a problem where they can't change the AI difficulty from medium? I can't remove them from the game either. I can add AI to the game but one on each team is always stuck their and on medium...
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lifecanwait
Profile Joined May 2010
96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 22:50:40
April 16 2011 22:48 GMT
#129
On April 17 2011 03:36 Vi)Chris wrote:
Is anyone having a problem where they can't change the AI difficulty from medium? I can't remove them from the game either. I can add AI to the game but one on each team is always stuck their and on medium...


That's probably because the computer is playing one team (warping in units) and to make the map work, there has to be at least one enemy.This is just common sense though..
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Bobo_XIII
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States429 Posts
April 16 2011 22:58 GMT
#130
On April 16 2011 19:43 lifecanwait wrote:
1. Always try to assemble three jewels AT THE BOTTOM of the screen, because as a consequence the proximity that three other ones will simultanously come together by chance at the top will slightly increase as well.
In contast: Assume that you match three jewels at the top row only. Then probably not much will change, i.e. only at the top row there will be any change at all, and three same coloured, falling jewels next to each other are very rare.


Going to have to disagree with you on that. You rely too much on random chance when you can train yourself in just a few games to string together combos and minimize delay in between matches.

The best approach is to work from the top down, because if you do it from the bottom up and don't end up with a random string of combos, you have an entire new section of the board that you have to rescan.

Alternately, if you work from top to bottom, you can match three together and immediately scan for another. You eventually get good enough after enough games (and it takes a lot to beat insane) to where you match one and immediately can match another in a split second.

Attaining that certain level of speed is a quicker way than to rely on chance to get you this achievement
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lifecanwait
Profile Joined May 2010
96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 10:08:58
April 17 2011 10:04 GMT
#131
On April 17 2011 07:58 Bobo_XIII wrote:
Going to have to disagree with you on that. You rely too much on random chance when you can train yourself in just a few games to string together combos and minimize delay in between matches.

The best approach is to work from the top down, because if you do it from the bottom up and don't end up with a random string of combos, you have an entire new section of the board that you have to rescan.

Alternately, if you work from top to bottom, you can match three together and immediately scan for another. You eventually get good enough after enough games (and it takes a lot to beat insane) to where you match one and immediately can match another in a split second.

Attaining that certain level of speed is a quicker way than to rely on chance to get you this achievement


I think using my approach makes more sense, because you have to be very fast for insane anyway. If you search at the bottom or at the top, it really doesn't matter - you have to be fast and to make combos all the time anway, but if you search only at the bottom you get that "advantage by chance" as well and your overall performance will certainly increase.
Another point is that you should try not to reset too often (it takes too much time to reset and often you're just frustrated but there are still many combos around). Actually I've hardly ever reset the jewels in any games I took. If you want to get really good you must train your eyes for all colour arrangements and never stop making combos at any point (focusing on the map isn't even important if you get enough points to mass an army). Sometimes I even got like 2000 points in less than 10 seconds This was very lucky, but working from the top you'd eliminate the chance from the beginning.
To summarize: You need to be fast anyway, but why should you abstain from better chances?
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Yoinhell
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada49 Posts
April 17 2011 10:37 GMT
#132
After 116 efforts, I have finally joined the club. Have to say that AI is such a jerk.
ONEAscension
Profile Joined January 2011
36 Posts
April 17 2011 11:24 GMT
#133
Got it after two tries, just mass tanks until 6, make hydras or warp cell/psi storm any air unit from there on. Also work from top to bottom. I regularly get 500-700k on bejewel blitz and it's impossible to work bottom to top since you would have to wait for animations to finish. I would say I'm pretty fast but AI still maintains a constant 1k above me and without hitting a critical mass while they hit your towers, I'm not sure if I could've done it.
Rayven
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom81 Posts
April 17 2011 14:38 GMT
#134
For some reason the achievement just won't unlock for me. In the lobby there are 2 AI's for some reason that I can't remove, so I just add another AI and put it on insane anyway. I've beat it about 10 times now and it just won't give me the achievement. Anyone know what's wrong?
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Malhavoc
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy308 Posts
April 17 2011 15:15 GMT
#135
Actually, you don't need to wait for the animation to end before swapping other pieces, provided those pieces aren't being moved by your last combination. Just move pieces on right, then on left, then or righ, and so on.

Going from bottom to top is more convenient cause you should do many more combo matches this way.
eVul
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden52 Posts
April 17 2011 16:53 GMT
#136
There we go : ) my 10th game in total playing Starjeweled, tried it the first time today
Took a while for me to understand how the tanks/ghost with psi och warp prisons worked.

Got the first towers and some in the end, I let him push me back to my towers while holding his army count down with psi storms. I then did another push and took him out.

A little more than 8 minutes in in-game time (I think it was) with 12240 vs 20700 energy produced in the end.

Thanks for all the advices!
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
April 17 2011 18:39 GMT
#137
My success story: took the advice given here. I scrolled to the very bottom so the battle wouldn't distract me, and made 3 tanks at a time twice, stormed a pack of zlots once, stormed a clump of tanks once, made a few more tanks and spammed ghosts, and then made some mutas too later (it's the roach/zlot that'll give you trouble), and I froze colos. I healed my tanks once, and when I got to their base (all their cannons dead) put a slowing spell on their spawn.

You really need to focus on the bejewled part. Try not to get distracted from it. I focused on top or mid, alternating left/right.
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ozdy
Profile Joined April 2011
17 Posts
April 17 2011 18:47 GMT
#138
Yep, Tanks are imba!
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Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
April 17 2011 23:55 GMT
#139
On April 16 2011 03:14 Firkraag8 wrote:
I've done like 50 starjeweled vs insane now back to back with the 8 tanks then ghosts strategy but i lose every damn time, and it's starting to piss me off. Am I just unlucky, or too old and slow for these kinda games? :/


Its really random. You get crushed alot, but one of the times it will just all work out.

Just gotta keep trying.
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ThorIsHere
Profile Joined April 2011
2 Posts
April 18 2011 00:02 GMT
#140
I registered an account here just to let you guys know how I beat this, because I too found it incredibly frustrating losing 25 games in a row and could only ever get 50% of the Insane AI's energy.

1) Turn off your sound! This was night and day to me. Hearing all the combos and the sound of the battle raises my blood pressure and causes me to lose focus on matching. So just turn it off, it's not necessary.
2) Start by saving up nearly 1000 energy, wait for the AI to get fairly close to your front cannons or start attacking them, then create 3 tanks.
3) Concentrate on matching. Never look away. Never look at the battle. Hit R every once in awhile to maybe create a tank, whether you have the energy saved up or not, because glancing at your actual energy level is not worth the distraction from matching.
4) Jump back and forth between the left side of the jewel grid and the right side to find matches faster.
5) Always prefer to make horizontal matches, they have much better chances of making combos.
6) Prefer matches near the bottom of the grid, but don't be afraid to glance at the top of the grid.
7) If you don't find any matches in 3 seconds, press Z (reset the board), it's not the end of the world and new boards often have big combos lined up.
8) Occasionally (very rarely) look at your tank line. If you see 8, time to switch to ghosts (S key). Just hit the S key instead of R from now on.
9) If you ever see that one of your tanks has died, quit and start a new game. Momentum is not in your favor, there is no point trying to recover. Since this is based so much on luck, it's faster and better for your mental health to just accept the loss, quit, and start fresh.
10) I repeat, DO NOT WATCH THE BATTLE, and do not cast spells, it is just not worth the distraction from matching! Each marine you pump out from a match is more important than any tactical choice you might make or spell you might cast when looking at the battle.

That's it. I won decisively in 3:13 after getting utterly steamrolled 25 times. It's really just a matter of matching quickly and getting lucky enough with enemy unit compositions and positions to not lose your tanks. You do NOT need to use ANY spells, I certainly did not and I steamrolled the AI on my 2nd try with the sound off. Like I said, I would always get 50% energy of what the AI got, but in the game I won, I had 5460 energy to the AI's 7380, which was a very good ratio for me, and turning off the sound really helped boost my matching productivity.

I won without any high combo, I just had a steady stream of matches, so don't feel like you HAVE to get "for the swarm" to win (though it certainly won't hurt).
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