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hassook
Profile Joined November 2010
United Arab Emirates16 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 05:20:34
April 11 2011 05:19 GMT
#101
Ok Strategy confirmed, iam pretty above average player in bejeweled however, when i played insane i lost with 11000 to 12000, i just spammed spells and units and i didnt know that a strategy for wining is required.

so after reading this thread i played again, energy at 900, 3 tanks, 900 another 3 tanks and then 2 more tanks and spamming ghosts. this strategy gave me the win very easily with 3k and the AI is 5k.

the only achievement i am missing now is the 6 streak (heart of the swarm) or what ever..i dont know if this is an achievable achievement lol

good luck everyone.
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 05:28:17
April 11 2011 05:24 GMT
#102
There's not much more strategy left to add to this topic, so I'll just share my story as maybe encouragement.

Until this mod, I had NEVER even played a bejeweled type game. And honestly, I was only playing this for kicks and to farm a few more achievements. I started out getting my ass handed to me by the medium comp. Then after a ton of trys I finally managed to beat it, as well as the hard comp, but then the very hard AI just demolished me.

Today, on a whim, after having not even played the game, let alone SC2, in a few days, I decided to try my hand against the very hard AI again. After several close losses I managed to get the win. Then I thought, hell, lets see how tough this insane AI really is.

I beat it on my first try.

Not only that, but I managed to get the "world of orecraft" acheivement as well. Like everyone else says, establish a tank line and then spam ghosts (or hydras I hear work well too). That's literally all I did.

One little piece of advice I could give, is that to help you with the actual "bejeweled" part, try to alternate between sides of the screen. What I mean is, move a jewel on the left, and then while all those blocks are falling move a jewel on the right side. Then while those are falling and combo'ing etc. hit up the left side again. If you get too caught up in watching the jewels fall or trying to set up something WITH the falling jewels, you'll just get slowed down.

Edit: I probably did get pretty lucky on this run, I mean hell, I got a "for the swarm" combo. But really, just establish a rhythm between getting jewels and use the strat everyone keeps posting. The AI had something like 12k energy to my 8k at the end and I still won, so you definitely don't need to be all that great at Bejeweled to get this. Just decent and maybe a bit lucky
For Aiur???
WellDuh
Profile Joined August 2010
34 Posts
April 11 2011 08:02 GMT
#103
On April 11 2011 08:26 Omnipresent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 01:08 WellDuh wrote:
This is bullshit. Absolute total fucking bullshit. Played like 50 games. Tried spamming all kinds of units. Tried with all kinds of combos. Tried countering every unit the AI sends. Failed all the time. Even when I was hard countering him like fuck. This brainless piece of shit that Blizzard call "AI" played whole game long roaches vs my mutas and still won. WTF?!?! I understand that someone at Blizzard is too friggin clueless about creating an AI that can actually PLAY THE MOTHAFUCKING GAME, but still, I'm done wasting my time on this piece of broken shit. You have to be unbelievably lucky to win, and that by my book is NOT an achievement but a total waste of time.


Just imagine if it was smart, in addition to being fast. It sounds like your complaint is that the computer is too good. If you can't beat it based on skill alone, it must be broken...

I'm absolutely terrible at Starjeweled. I've played it with random people, and I'm usually the lowest scoring player out of the 4 (sometimes by a large margin). In most attempts, my score was much less than half the AI's score. Hell, I struggled with the medium AI (without this tank strategy). Beating the insane AI is doable even for me. There is an element of luck in this game no matter whether you're playing against the AI or a real person. My largest combo in my winning game was 4. There isn't all that much luck involved.


The people here are right. You need a really good starting board and 6-8 tanks very quickly. Even in games where I reached that number (and timed it well with my cannons), I sometimes found myself losing to a group of really fast banshees or mutas. On at least one occasion, I pushed the AI all the way back to it's cannons and then hit a dry spell for a good 30 seconds (using several boards). If you're struggling with this achievement, don't get discouraged.

As a side note, I had much better luck with ghosts than hydras. The AI sends out so many bio units. It's nice to have the ghosts take them out quickly so your marines don't die. Your marines can then help with any incoming air. In other words, ghosts help you keep your units up so you have a larger buffer and more anti-air overall.

The computer is not fast, nor its "too good". Its CHEATING. If it was about skill, I would have beaten it long time ago. SC2 AIs are plain dumb, period.
SixtusTheFifth
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand170 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 02:17:29
April 11 2011 08:15 GMT
#104
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 10:18:35
April 11 2011 09:55 GMT
#105
I did this after trying a lot but now I can win 1 out of 3 games and the other 2 are pretty long games where I can destroy at least the front 2 towers.

A guideline:
1) Wait till the first energy dump from the AI, if they send mass units kill these with a psi storm(b), also use psi storm against immortals and siege tanks.
2) When you have 900 energy make 3 tanks (r) but make sure that they stay well behind your 2 towers, don't use that energy when the enemy troops are in the middle.
3) Start using warp cell (x) on every ultra/collosus. Sometimes you have to use it twice on a collosus.
4) Make sure you can use a psi storm on enemy tanks/and immortals. Do your damage smart, remember that 1 psi can destroy tanks and deplete an immortal his shields. Make sure your tanks won’t push after you did these storms.
5) When you hit 900 again make another 2 tanks (r). Keep the 300 for an emergency psi/ or 2 times warp cell.

Now the vital part of your game starts, if you concentrate you can push the entire line. If you are unlucky you will only push the first 2 cannons. And you need to start at point (1) again. Do not overcommit with sending units in a failed push, it is better to use 2 psi storms and start over than to send 500 useless units.

6) When your tanks start pushing make sure you get a couple ghosts (s) out against air. First they will be stuck behind your tanks so it will be ideal to kill the incoming banshees/mutas.
7)You need at least 3 ghost and a maximum of 6 ghost but you also need to have at least 200 energy at the bank at all times. If you are unlucky with your gems you need to make a smart choice.
8) Use warp cell (x) against EVERY ultra and colossus. Both will ruin your day if they can do damage.
9) Use psi storm (b) against every other big energy dump by the computer that isn’t air. Don’t let tanks do damage, don’t let immortals tank damage. Psi storm is good against immortals because they remove the units around them and together your tanks can 1 shot them.

If you hit a Masterful or a For The Swarm you can simple psy storm/warp cell your way to victory. 6 ghost + 6 tanks push very fast and you win in less than 2 minutes. If you really have an excess of energy (+800) make a couple roaches. But it is better to just keep psi storming everything that they spawn.


It is easy when you follow these guidelines. You need to be on 75% of the AI in the start, 60% when you start pushing.
If you are bit experienced with Bejeweled then that is an easy to reach benchmark.

Have Fun.
I had a good night of sleep.
StreetHeat
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States225 Posts
April 11 2011 11:37 GMT
#106
Finally finished after many hours of attempts. Now I see the shapes when I close my eyes and they wont go away So glad to be done with it though I had a TON of unlucky draws. Tank into ghost strat works great
“If you want to learn to swim jump into the water. On dry land no frame of mind is ever going to help you” -Bruce Lee
Southpaw3353
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada28 Posts
April 11 2011 14:19 GMT
#107
Finished it after ~30 games. Got very lucky and got for the swarm thing at the start. Popped out 4 tanks about 5 ghosts (because if i just send tanks they seem to get picked off so i added fodder infront) a couple more tanks and then spammed ghosts.

I had 9000 energy and the AI had about 12000 , so it looks like you just need a very strong push and make sure your tanks dont get picked off.
Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
April 11 2011 15:02 GMT
#108
On April 11 2011 14:19 hassook wrote:
the only achievement i am missing now is the 6 streak (heart of the swarm) or what ever..i dont know if this is an achievable achievement lol

good luck everyone.

It's very easy, just join games and mindlessly make matches until you get lucky. Eventually the game will be nice to you and let you get lucky.
twincannon
Profile Joined December 2008
United States31 Posts
April 12 2011 01:47 GMT
#109
Haha, how dumb. I was literally struggling to beat the computer on regular old Hard (tried a couple times and lost) and then I read the "just hold R" strategy in this thread. Figured screw it and gave Insane a go holding down R.

http://i.imgur.com/X4rLy.jpg

Look at the longest chain lol
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 03:00:26
April 12 2011 02:59 GMT
#110
I practiced this for two days (about 10-20 games) and got it. Been said before but three biggest things are

1) Save for tanks and burst at 900/when they get to cannons (and hydras later)
2) Do a match on the left side, then (while waiting for left animation to finish) do a match on the right side
3) Practice (you get better fast)
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
April 12 2011 03:09 GMT
#111
i just got this, and yes, it is 99% luck. i was pushed back to my last 2 cannons and just happen to get 2 for the swarms in a row, got up a dick ton of tanks, and just went hydra/tank from there. if you're fast, obviously it will make this easier.

the game concluded w/ me @ half the score of the computer, it was just the well timed rally that did it. the luck aspect will no doubt frustrate some of the less-practiced players; just keep at it. i got irritated myself so it took me a couple days, but once you get that money combo, you'll laugh about how simple it was.
The universe created an audience for itself.
RahTL
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 22:34:42
April 12 2011 22:27 GMT
#112
44 Attempts and I finally got it... very much based on luck hah
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 13 2011 07:37 GMT
#113
On April 13 2011 07:27 RahTL wrote:
44 Attempts and I finally got it... very much based on luck hah


...or just make tanks...

Wonder if that'll work for too long though. It's quite clear that they are REALLY overpowered here...
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 13 2011 10:19 GMT
#114
On April 13 2011 16:37 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 07:27 RahTL wrote:
44 Attempts and I finally got it... very much based on luck hah


...or just make tanks...

Wonder if that'll work for too long though. It's quite clear that they are REALLY overpowered here...

Abusable against AI maybe. Doesn't work at all against human players.
I had a good night of sleep.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
April 13 2011 10:51 GMT
#115
On April 13 2011 19:19 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 16:37 HaXXspetten wrote:
On April 13 2011 07:27 RahTL wrote:
44 Attempts and I finally got it... very much based on luck hah


...or just make tanks...

Wonder if that'll work for too long though. It's quite clear that they are REALLY overpowered here...

Abusable against AI maybe. Doesn't work at all against human players.


One storm wrecks all the tanks =/ You just look at the enemy spawn and when they start making units you storm tanks and they dont have enough to heal. Tanks are still legit though
Jaedong :3
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 15:21:10
April 13 2011 15:18 GMT
#116
I actually quite easily beat it with an Ultra + Heal Push.

Just save 1000 energy, get two ultras and then whenever you get 250 energy, heal em. I nearly beat the game 3 times like this.

Then I built 3 tanks, then did the push and won. Ultras can tank huge damage from marines (marines hardly hurt them), and do massive AOE damage. The three early tanks help clean up the towers.

But the key is the 250 energy heal spell. It works wonders on on the Ultras, giving them a massive boost in life, so you spend 250 energy to save 1000 energy worth of units. It is very cost effective.

Good luck guys.
xaeiu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
432 Posts
April 13 2011 19:34 GMT
#117
i just watched my friend beating the insane ai with the tank/ghost combo...
he did it in like 20min and i think 5 or 6 tries. i can't really tell what was different in the last game and the others before, i guess it's really just a matter of luck sometimes to hit a lucky timing
ubreakubuy
Profile Joined January 2010
United States100 Posts
April 14 2011 01:20 GMT
#118
Been trying this all day and still failing. Anyone who has completed this want to help me? My id is wrath.204.
Ò_ó
MagicianYang
Profile Joined July 2010
10 Posts
April 14 2011 01:28 GMT
#119
Can someone watch my replay and tell me where I'm going wrong? Obviously, I could clear faster, but I'm trying to mass tanks, but they just get destroyed eventually...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25002275/StarJeweled - Insane.SC2Replay
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
April 14 2011 04:09 GMT
#120
To the last 2 posters, simply put, you have to be quick, and it is literally luck based. If you're unrelentingly proficient @ matching you take a lot of the randomness out of it, but you basically have to count on the fact that you'll get a good roll from bottom to top. It took me personally two FTS's in a row of straight tanks and adding hydras quickly thereafter to finally get this one done. Don't ask people to do it for you when you just have to be patient.
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