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On August 06 2010 05:24 fathead wrote:
For one, if you were Artanis in SC (of which I don't deny Blizzard NOW wants us to think) than why was he demoted to Prelete, shouldn't killing the Overmind be impressive on your resume?
I am with you on this, but I double checked, Artanis is a Praetor, not a Prelete. Zeratul is a Prelete.
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On August 06 2010 06:53 fathead wrote:
This is the epitome of everything wrong with our culture. This is why Disney methodically ruined every classic in the literary canon. People are unable to recognize the function of art, which is to unite the viewer with either human suffering (tragedy) or human joy (comedy), and NOT to serve poetic justice in every single story.
Perhaps you would have liked it better if Hamlet avenged his father then lived happily ever after (see the Lion King), if so then I suggest you stick with Disney and leave real literature to the adults.
(not to imply that I am remotely comparing Blizzard to Shakespeare or saying that SC is literature or even art. Just pointing out the mentality implied in this post)
I don't see what your problem is with the Lion King. Thematically, although perhaps not in the execution of its theme, I view it as superior to Hamlet.
Think about it this way. The Lion King shows you that if you face your problems, you can overcome them-- both existentially and psychologically. In Hamlet the theme is that "there is nothing you can do, its all fate, EVERYONE DIES AND IT IS VERY UNPLEASANT! also we all live in misery and terror"
so really man, there was nothing you could have done about all those mistakes you made because you didn't face your problems. It was all fated to happen.
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On August 04 2010 13:30 On_Slaught wrote:
Kerrigan will still be the leader of the zerg. She wasn't turned into a terran. She was merely balanced between zerg and human (whereas before she was much more zerg), probably even making her more powerful.
The proof of this, without going into spoilers about how the xelnaga work, is that Blizzard has explicitly said that the next story is about Kerrigan. We also know it's about the zerg. The connection is all too obvious.
Plus even after the artificat thing, she still had tenticle hair. That shit aint human. Thats the biggest indicator.
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Blizzcon is in October...maybe they'll shed some light there.
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On August 08 2010 13:04 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 13:30 On_Slaught wrote:
Kerrigan will still be the leader of the zerg. She wasn't turned into a terran. She was merely balanced between zerg and human (whereas before she was much more zerg), probably even making her more powerful.
The proof of this, without going into spoilers about how the xelnaga work, is that Blizzard has explicitly said that the next story is about Kerrigan. We also know it's about the zerg. The connection is all too obvious. Plus even after the artificat thing, she still had tenticle hair. That shit aint human. Thats the biggest indicator.
Am I the only one who thinks their is a different reason for it being there? Think about it this way, no other zerg show anything similar to the tentacles on Kerrigans head. The only creatures with similar "hair" are the protoss and their Khaila. Since the overmind absorbed the Xel'naga it also absorbed the way they made the protoss and saved the knowledge for when he made Kerrigna(how else can she control the swarm in the first place if she can't link to them?)
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I really don't know what to do about all these supposed contradictions which arise from assorted Starcraft sources. First of all, I want the games to be the basis of everything, because Starcraft is a game and that's where the story comes from. On the other hand we need a logically consistent body of information which is "what actually happened" so that we can do what we really want to be doing with a story like this. This of course is speculate wildly and then to have a lot of dramatic stuff happen in the campaign which makes complete sense and leaves us feeling simultaneously satisfied and eager for the next chapter. The alternative is of course confusion and frustration.
As has been noted by previous posters, the original game did not need to include a completely detailed and consistent universe. I suppose we have to ask the question of whether adhering to "minor" elements in the first chapter are worth making the next chapter less immersive.
Maybe we can all just enjoy how there are minor inconsistencies within the story, as it is a game after all, and at least have some other source to turn to for "what actually happened."
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One thing I haven't seen considered is that campaigns generally start with low tier units and work up to high tier units for the epic climax. This isn't always the case for expansions, but that's the way it usually worked and that's how it worked with WoL as you added things to your arsenal.
It could be as simple as "my queen, the Ultralisks aren't ready yet because the planet was devastated by an epic explosion." But there is likely some reason why Kerrigan doesn't have infinite resources at the beginning of HotS. Of course I'm not against it just being epic battles from start to finish against a huge legion coming out of nowhere, or "The Void" as it were. We shall see.
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On August 04 2010 16:27 Carthaginian wrote:
On an unrelated note, did anyone else sort of fell that Matt Horner was supposed to be the player for the original game?
Oh wow! never thought of it that way!!
I was the great magistrate?! HAHAH NICE!!
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Well Kerrigan could control the zerg to destroy Mengsk but that would be lame, we need a zergling that is the hero and evolves into something fantastic or something like that. Also since we are on the topic, who is Prismatic, the void rays say this name "Prismatic you're failing", is this the leader of the Protoss?
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On August 08 2010 15:04 The_Voidless wrote:
Well Kerrigan could control the zerg to destroy Mengsk but that would be lame, we need a zergling that is the hero and evolves into something fantastic or something like that. Also since we are on the topic, who is Prismatic, the void rays say this name "Prismatic you're failing", is this the leader of the Protoss?
woah man. that would be a wicked idea for a book or something. A zerg "unit" that develops its own free will and breaks free from the hive mind collective. like a zergling or something.
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On August 04 2010 14:05 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 13:58 tgdm wrote:
No one finds Valerian's knowledge of the artifacts and their effects on the zerg convenient?
p.s. it wasn't a zerg artifact they used to 'purge' her.
I'm leaning on Kerrigan still being mostly zerg. I think it was the original SC where there was no hero for the campaign mode (you were always hailed as the overmind). The zerg are always evolving, though, so I'm sure they'll think of something. I attribute that to Dr. Narud (Duran) as his objective would be to help the Terran/Protoss defeat Kerrigan and kill her so the hybrids can take over the Zerg. In the original SC you were either a commander, a cerebrate, or a protoss commander (whatever that title was). In SC2 it seems kinda odd. You're sorta Jim Raynor but mostly not.
actually in SC you were Artanis
not kidding
On August 08 2010 15:04 The_Voidless wrote:
Well Kerrigan could control the zerg to destroy Mengsk but that would be lame, we need a zergling that is the hero and evolves into something fantastic or something like that. Also since we are on the topic, who is Prismatic, the void rays say this name "Prismatic you're failing", is this the leader of the Protoss?
It says Prismatic core failing..
Artanis is leader of the protoss i think
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Maybe the HotS will be about kerrigan trying to regain control of zerg.. would make sense. But maybe they will show us something in blizzcon, doubt it though
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Ah now i remember this clip. This just has to be the main character of HoS.
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The Hybrids and Kerrigan will be fighting for control of the swarm, obv
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Their little brawl on the ship is explained by Tosh.
Picking Ghosts is almost detrimental to the storyline since Tosh leaves you and winds up dead to boot. I wonder how blizzard is going to work that one out, will Tosh still be around in your campaign if you let him live, or is he going to die anyway off screen somewhere.
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On August 04 2010 14:05 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 13:58 tgdm wrote:
No one finds Valerian's knowledge of the artifacts and their effects on the zerg convenient?
p.s. it wasn't a zerg artifact they used to 'purge' her.
I'm leaning on Kerrigan still being mostly zerg. I think it was the original SC where there was no hero for the campaign mode (you were always hailed as the overmind). The zerg are always evolving, though, so I'm sure they'll think of something. I attribute that to Dr. Narud (Duran) as his objective would be to help the Terran/Protoss defeat Kerrigan and kill her so the hybrids can take over the Zerg. In the original SC you were either a commander, a cerebrate, or a protoss commander (whatever that title was). In SC2 it seems kinda odd. You're sorta Jim Raynor but mostly not.
There isn't any of that first person nonsense in SC2. You're not anyone. Just the player. The reader. The audience member. Nothing more. You only merely follow the plot from Jim's perspective.
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On August 09 2010 07:05 Dezzimal wrote:Picking Ghosts is almost detrimental to the storyline since Tosh leaves you and winds up dead to boot. I wonder how blizzard is going to work that one out, will Tosh still be around in your campaign if you let him live, or is he going to die anyway off screen somewhere.
Blizzard explicitly said those side missions have 0 to do with canon. It will never be referenced. Think of side missions as really bad fan fiction.
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On August 09 2010 07:17 Ownos wrote:
There isn't any of that first person nonsense in SC2. You're not anyone. Just the player. The reader. The audience member. Nothing more. You only merely follow the plot from Jim's perspective.
what do you mean "nonesense" just because it wouldn't make as much sense to use a similar plot device in SC2 as SC1 doesn't mean that it was "nonesense"
I think it was very effective in SC1.
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just wanted to point out that the title itself is basically a spoiler. asking whos gonna be the main character of the zerg expansion pretty much says to anyone who hasnt played through that either kerrigan died or something pretty big happened to her.
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ya, but (spoilers) is written before the title, so it's ok. 
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