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On August 09 2010 09:33 darastrix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:17 Ownos wrote:
There isn't any of that first person nonsense in SC2. You're not anyone. Just the player. The reader. The audience member. Nothing more. You only merely follow the plot from Jim's perspective. what do you mean "nonesense" just because it wouldn't make as much sense to use a similar plot device in SC2 as SC1 doesn't mean that it was "nonesense" I think it was very effective in SC1.
It means I don't like it. I'm not interested in RPing as some terran commander. Or listening to one sided conversations.
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What about Duran? He may be the next leader of the swarm..
Or a new Overmind could form, as it did in the original story iirc.
Or the hybrids could stand up and lead the swarm?
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Why do so many people think mengsk will have such a big role in the upcoming zerg and protoss campaigns. For me it was+ Show Spoiler + unsure at best if mengsk was involved in with the hybrids in the secret mission
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Kerrigan regained her human consciousness, and general appearance, but her psionic intellect and zerg connections remain. it will be war of zerg and the raiders vs
SPOILER
the xelnaga dark voice.
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On August 04 2010 14:40 tgdm wrote:
Tychus is in full god damn armor with his helmet open. Where do you think he was shot? His foot?
If Raynor had found a way to turn off the kill switch in Tychus' armor, that's something else. I could understand it not being included in the plot of WOL as far as the player experiences it, and it would justify the little act they put on prior to the gunshot. . . But Raynor blocks Tychus' shot with his own suit. The chance of putting on a show for Mengsk is unlikely. Their little brawl on the ship is explained by Tosh. Tychus is just building himself up to do something he didn't want to do.
Kerrigan's humanity definitely isn't full restored, I think we can all agree on that.
But uhhh Samir is black and Emil is white so I don't think I see where you're going with that last bit. As far as I know, Samir is in fact responsible for creating the hybrids and planting them all over the place to give them time to 'awaken,' whatever that was supposed to mean. We saw the hybrids controlling protoss and zerg units in addition to having a few of their own special flavor. The protoss that followed the Hybrids seemed to worship them as new gods, though, so maybe this suggests the hybrids are more adept at controlling zerg but retaining the intelligence of the protoss.
Narud's research is interesting and some of his audio clips when you're preventing Kerrigan from finding the research is interesting. What I kept thinking about on that mission was "Wait, Kerrigan is running research and has labs set up?" I know that she was mostly just looking for the rest of the artifact, but her purpose in doing so isn't too clear. Why are all these protoss-protected relics separated in the first place? If their universal enemy is the zerg, why not just keep those bad boys up and running?
I'm really expecting to see either a joined effort by Raynor and his crew to help Kerrigan control the zerg to stop attacking occupied planets and maybe moving them to their own part of the universe -OR- a hybrid crew leading the zerg.
Duran is millenias old and can probably change his form at will man, hes Xel Naga
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On August 09 2010 07:05 Dezzimal wrote:Picking Ghosts is almost detrimental to the storyline since Tosh leaves you and winds up dead to boot. I wonder how blizzard is going to work that one out, will Tosh still be around in your campaign if you let him live, or is he going to die anyway off screen somewhere.
Apparently canon is that you sided with Tosh, and you sided with Ariel
which is lame because Raynor would never betray the main protoss.
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On August 08 2010 13:04 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 13:30 On_Slaught wrote:
Kerrigan will still be the leader of the zerg. She wasn't turned into a terran. She was merely balanced between zerg and human (whereas before she was much more zerg), probably even making her more powerful.
The proof of this, without going into spoilers about how the xelnaga work, is that Blizzard has explicitly said that the next story is about Kerrigan. We also know it's about the zerg. The connection is all too obvious. Plus even after the artificat thing, she still had tenticle hair. That shit aint human. Thats the biggest indicator.
Tentacle hair? Or dreadlocks (which Tosh also wears)? You don't have to be a Rastafarian to wear that hairstyle (you don't even have to be of color; I've seen a few non-African/non-Carib folks with that style); proves exactly nothing.
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Here's a post I made in a different thread, but I think it still applies. We're going to control Kerrigan but she may not be the story's focus
Why does everyone assume that Kerrigan is the one who will stop the hybrids? She isn't the strongest Zerg by any means. In fact there is one zerg who had to be killed because she couldn't retain free will when he existed...the overmind.
Now I know everyone is going WTFBBQ alsowikk that is so stupid! But hear me out on this. The overmind's "corpse" was pulsating when Zeratul visitted it, besides the zerg guarding it when it has no value to them dead. And since Tassadar never used dark energy on it he couldn't really kill the overmind. This is all on top of the fact that the mission briefing for "In utter darknes" is given...by the overmind! I know this sounds wierd but why would these things be happenning if the overmind was a rotting corpse? Why would it understand it's people are being enslaved if it is a dead pile?
This makes me believe that heart of the swarm is about kerrigan reviving the overmind. She has to become more powerfull to fight the hybrids that attempt to take over the swarm and enslave the overmind once again. The Overmind made Kerrigan as a way to find a loophole in his instructions, but since the overmind has revived twice why can't he be brought back and kerrigan is the bodyguard? This would give kerrrigan an interesting role in the story has she will be taking a frontline position most likely as the "field general" of the swarm, and the overmind will provide new species of zerg and upgrades.
Far fetched but, you never know
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alsowikk,
The Zerg around the Overmind weren't guarding it according to the in mission speech. They were feeding off of it's corpse. The overmind was communicating to the "player" because it was the Overmind's memories (via Zeratul's memories....now we're getting into TARDIS territory ha!).
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On August 08 2010 12:07 darastrix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 04:04 Last Romantic wrote:
SC1 you were
Terran Magistrate
Cerebrate (Killed by Tassadar)
Artanis
Selendis
UED Captain (killed by Kerrigan)
Cerebrate (killed by Kerrigan) you were not Artanis in Starcraft. There is no evidence that Artanis was ever an Executor. He is appointed praetor following the death of the Overmind, and it doesn't say what he did before that. Furthermore in SC:BW his line "I am not worthy even to speak his name" (referring to Tassadar) is not characteristic of someone who helped him out of a good number of tight spots. It would make more sense if they were never acquainted. Also, Selendis can't be the second Protoss Executor. If you beat Selendis in SC2, she says "you are as cunning as the stories say" which wouldn't make sense if they had already worked together to ensure the Protoss evacuation. Also, in both SC and SC:BW Fenix's manner imo is generally indicative of you being old friends, making me think that you are the same Executor in both games, especially considering that you are never greeted as a new executor and it seems like for all the world like the Protoss only ever have one executor at a time. This last would definitely explain why there is a distinct need to replace Tassadar before the start of the first Protoss campaign.
False. Blizzard retconned Episode 3 of SC1 so that the Executor is Artanis. It was on the official website under "The Story So Far" before Beta/Retail came out. As for the executor in Episode 4, yeah I agree, it's probably not Selendis, but I can't think of anyone else who it would be.
I also think Blizzard confirmed that Heart of the Swarm was an RPG-style campaign with Kerrigan as the main character focused on increasing her power (and it would make sense as a backstory campaign, I mean how else did she get all of those wicked abilities in SC2?)
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I for one believe you'll play as kerrigan and zerg up until the point where they get purged. At least some of the opening missions has to be about what went on during the 4 years between BW and WoL.
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On August 11 2010 02:40 Neverhood9 wrote:
alsowikk,
The Zerg around the Overmind weren't guarding it according to the in mission speech. They were feeding off of it's corpse. The overmind was communicating to the "player" because it was the Overmind's memories (via Zeratul's memories....now we're getting into TARDIS territory ha!).
The whole feeding thing throws me off. I realize Zeratul said they were feeding off of him, but why would they even be there? Zeratul could mistake the sitaution since he isn't a zerg and Kerrigan wouldn't have zerg just wandering around and the hybrids wanted the Zerg as slaves for their war on...everyone. The Overmind has been dead since brood war I belive(earlier?). That means that the overmind wouldn't know the fate of the zerg besides the whole why is the overmind's memory in the crystal that Zeratul used? To me this means that their is something going on with the overmind(and...I really want to have him back  )
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Tassadar transformation as becoming a "twilight messiah" ah-ha. Let talk about the OverMind how did it and Tassadar Die? Well they Mashed together in a big Psi Explosion. The OverMind Was trying to become a Pure Psi God like being with Protoss essence. Basically a Super Archon,Funny Don't you need two people for that And for that matter who was the Protoss essence supposed to be? (But Now We Know that it was also a slave that wanted to be free.) You know (ADD) that missing Ingredient of free will. But Tassadar Out Smarted a Brain the size of a city when He MERGED His Energy With IT! WITH His Very WILL! His Very Protoss Essence!!
Not to bright is poor Tassadar.. A plan long thought out Finally Come together.
Zeratu found out that Tassadar survived as a being of Pure PSI God Like Energy Being! Sort of like a Super Archon! Funny Don't you need two people for that? ?? And what a Shock Tassadar has all of the OverMinds Secrets Almost like he's got his Memory and Essence!
Zeratu asks how did he survive and Tassadar said don't worry about that let's discuss The NOBEL Great Kind Heroic OverMind.
AH-HA. I love to be able to sell Zeratu some Ocean side housing in Nebraska Or maybe a few toothbrushes and some mouthwash and a hairbrush..
OverMind's Alive and well and Free.
Kerrigan was only partly deinfested her hair the same.Humans do not have Spiked bugs legs for hair. LOL
If you saw the Overmind Vision you can see that the Zerg get all eaten absorbed in the end after they kill the Protoss. The Artifact Absorbed Protoss and Zerg Energy Killing them. They only Guessed that it would turn her back. If You save Haven till the end mission The Doctor she tells you the got no Idea Really What it would do to Kerrigan.
But Kerrigan survived with some Zerg form intact so My guess is that Because of her human Psi power she lived. It was also stated in the campaign that Zerg Cells do a survival of the fittest to grow more powerful instead of age.Her DNA is altered Zerg and sucking power out dose not make her have Human DNA! It would just make her Revert to a weakened State or kill her.As there is no Remapping of her old DNA it's gone All she has left is Her Zerg DNA.
There pulling a Artos Litch King were in WC3 he loses all his power and has to get it back.
Kerrigan might be good now, hard to tell but her human form temporary as Blizzard already said she will increase her Personal Power and psi powers and there by increase the size of her army threw Mutation.
Heart of the swarm Has been also called at the convention The Return of Kerrigan and Kerrigan's Return .
Now lets Put that together shall we? The Return of Kerrigan TO THE Heart of the Swarm
It also not Kerrigan that saves the Universe it's the Queen of Blades that the OverMind Created out of Kerrigan . So no she not being Uninfected she just had all the power sucked out of her. It was revealed that Kerrigan transformation was messed up that she was not supposed to go evil. But it was revealed by the Doctor that the Specters were not Crazy but some time some human when they get there Psi powers boosted to high can go crazy and that there was just as much risk in creating a Ghost.
The Queen of Blades had had to much PSI power handed to her to fast with out being prepared and just Like a Spector went In to shock and went CRAZY!
Now she still has a Zerg DNA just a more human form as the Zerg Energy got sucked out. It did Not Restore her Pure human DNA ( that is gone and Altered) It was never made to do that just hopeful thinking. It's a Harvester.
It just killed most of her Zerg cells and force her into a More Human form when it sucked her dry.
In the Overmind Vision that's what happens to all the Zerg in the End,The Hybrids Cannibalize there Energy and Kill them all. The OverMind Knew this and it Created The Queen Blades to Stop it. Could be that She partly immuned to the Artifact as the effect looks the same and she was created to stop the Hybrids and Fallen from doing just that and free the Zerg.
Save Mission Haven to the Very End and keep talking to the Doctor Henson . You see that no one got clue what the Artifact dose other than it eats Zerg and Protoss.
It was not created to restore a Human just Harvest Energy of Zerg And Protoss.
So She Looks more Human and might be sane but she still a Zerg with Zerg DNA. Just got her Energy Zerg Life Force Drained.
The campaign is focused on Kerrigan[8] and the development of a zerg empire.[9] The campaign operates similarly to an RPG, in which Kerrigan is focused on increasing her personal power through mutations. Zerg armies protect her as she garners this power.
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_II:_Heart_of_the_Swarm
her personal power through mutations..... That sounds Infested to me dudes. LOL
Some how can not see Blizzard getting rid of the most famous and sexy xenomorph to just make a Human Ghost with a Bad Hair do. To use Sylvanas analogy it would be like if Sylvanas became a Living Elf. That would be to much of a FINAL End.
If see what I Mean. I would not be to surprised if Blizzards Got a MMORPG Planned for Starcraft 3 (and with these sale they are Stupid Not to at least start a Back story for it.) and to do that the Zerg got to become None Zombies, Evolve Minds(For the P.C. Class). So if they plan to do that the got to start the plot set up now.(three Games before.)
Zerg are Popular But would make a useless PC Class as your Quest are limited to eating People and drooling. So they Need Minds.
My guessing is (and it's only a guessing)
The Queen Of Blades is supposed to Free the Zerg from there Mindless Slave state to the Hybrids Master.
Guessing that some were in HOTS they will begin the Swarm redemption like they Did with the Orcs in WOW.
That She will make the already Infected/Infested Humans a Breed Like her self and or make all Zerg sentient.
To give them the ability to feel or perceive and be individuals.
I mean if she going the be this Great Hope Saviour Hero she can not Very well Leave all these Humans Mindless Ugly Monsters.But why she might not be able to cure them she should be able to Evolve them in to a more Expectable physical and mental state Like her self.
So the Swarm will be able to be a Expectable P.C. Race. Getting the Wow horde treatment.
If Blizzard decides not to go in the MMORPG direction it would still give a lot more story Options if they created more Zerg like Kerrigan. And the News casters Joked about a Human Terran Alliance(Could be WOW Alliance Hint Pun?)
Alliance Horde
Colony Terrans Dominion Terrans or UED
Kerrigan Zerg Hybrid Zerg
Protoss Religious Protoss
Would not be surprised that the OverMind little self improvement Project was Not Done I mean If he and Tassadar transformation as becoming a "twilight messiah" then there this pure Zerg/Protoss Energy Matrix but it looks like it's unstable or for some other reason Bound to the OverMind's Brain Dread Shell.
And Kerrigan the Perfect creation of the OverMind has all her energy Sucked out.
Sounds Like OverMind Plan is for OverMind Tassadar And Kerrigan Have the Ultimate Threesome !
Dark Voice Would Face A Power that could destroy him. Kerrigan With the Power or the dark and light Protoss and All the energy of the OverMind! The Ultimate Creature! Ultimate Power!
Heck this all Guessing.
But if she's truly Human Blizzard would be damaging one of the Original Ingredients of the Original Game and I am just not seeing that.
Bottom Line Kerrigan the queen of Blades is a cash Cow and Kerrigan the human Ghost is not,They got a Nova Already.
And Blizzard is not a stupid greedy corporation, No there Smart greedy corporation and the Cash Cow will not Die or become Human but Evolve in to a Hero even if Justice demands she die and Jim Eugene Raynor gets the Girl. Sorry Jim She's a Zerg. But on the bright side shes still Hot!
P.S.
Lot People complain about Blizzard reusing Plot threads and storys but look at there point of view why mess with what works and pays the rent?
P.P.S
Yes I Talk to much and becouse of crappy Eye sight I Type Terrible ,To Fing Bad! LOL!
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Hey, just wanted to point out a few things.
The overmind did not magically regrow in BW. After tassadar destroyed it in SC, the remaining cerebrates (except for you!) Merged together to form another, which was the cocoon that zeratul killed. Later on.
And Kerrigan was not that strong of a psionic when she was taken. She has undoubtedly gotten stronger with her inhibitors removed and he time using them, but Nova was nothing short of a god of psionic power (she can MC people with her inhibitors still in).
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Kerrigan was that strong psionic when she was taken. She was the strongest there was that why Over mind took her, He searched and found the strongest there was.
She had special inhibitors that most Ghosts never get becouse she killed her Ghost instructors by accident. And what amount to a lobotomy,The Zerg and OverMind Fixed all that. It's in on books. If Nova was more powerful she would been snagged by OverMind instead.It scanned for the most powerful there was. The Joke was it was not the PSI Emitters that summoned the Zerg.They might of done it by them selfs. But They Would showed up anyway. They wear Targeting Kerrigan from the beginning. Not just any Ghost But Her. Hence the reason if Kerrigan dies they can not just throw Nova in a Zerg Cyclists and make Queen Blades 2.0.
It was stated Kerrigan is unique and Nova was more powerful as a ghost only becouse she did not have Brain Surgery that cut away piece of her brain and Very special psionic inhibitors. That would left a Normal Ghost without any powers at all and brain dead. Nova is powerful but no wear near Kerrigan power level.
As a Ghosts Nova could kick Kerrigan Butt. No Problem.
But Kerrigan was a PSI God that had it's wings WAY clipped Back as a child and never allowed to use her full power.
As a young child Sarah Kerrigan's latent powers were demonstrated during an incident on TarKossia where she accidentally killed her mother (causing her head to "come apart") and damaged the brain of her father, Patrick.
Nova Did not even know she had power till she was 15!
Nova Like all Normal Ghost had a memory wipe of her old life.
Kerrigan Never did why not a standard memory wipe?
It was explain when they said Kerrigan was immuned to all standard forms of conditioning.
Only neuro-adjuster worked on her that did a Physical Adjustment to her brain.
Memory wipes work on Nova they just piss off Kerrigan.
Think Reed Richards Son Franklin In Fantastic Four.
Think of this Analogy Nova Had her Psi Nails clipped.Memory wipe.
Kerrigan had her Psi Fingers cut off. neuro-adjuster
Then after her instructors Died when she was a child they took Her Psi Arms off.
Better safe than sorry!
But OverMind Fixed all that.
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First and foremost, there are no Cerebrates left. Kerrigan evolved the Swarm in such a way so that the Queens take control and look after the Zerg Brood rather than the Cerebrates and as such had no need of them whatsoever. I don't think another Overmind is an option.
Also, a lot of people forget that Infested Kerrigan did a lot of experimentation with infestation, particularly in trying to get the infestation process to retain Terran ingenuity. I think the lore stated that Kerrigan had a few infested Terrans as her Lieutenants/Generals around, so it is possible that you get to deal with these guys and with Queens etc.
Keep in mind that the Hybrids themselves could take control of the Zerg Swarm and you might play them as well. Loads of possibilities.
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Smart Hybrids that would be excellent! BuzzJuice !
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Tychus is dead can people please get this lodged into their noggin' bout now ?
And people who claim "Kerrigan most definatly isn't fully human" - You are just retelling what other people say aren't you ? You have no actuall evidence of such, and should therefor say you are speculating it, not that its hard facts.
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Sqq Read the link that's evidence. And this is a speculating spoiler thread or did you miss all the other posts. Nor is it speculating to notice the lady hair and eyes are not human. And I point out that if you save haven to last possible mission The Doctor she tells you the Artifact might do anything but all she and they know that it dose is drain Protoss Energy that even do that to Zerg was a Guess.She also tells you the Nova was a Lying about Tosh and and the Specters that Ghost had same chance of going Psychotic becouse of sudden power increase. The a few scenes later Raynor's wondering Why Overminds Plan went south And Kerrigan went DarkSide.
A lot people would of missed the Content if the did Have first to get the the Viking Unit.
So yep I am Speculating but also stating Solid Hard facts. So let me separate the two.
The Alien device was to HARVEST Protoss energy. To suck his Battery dry and kill him.That all. It did not have a human DNA in it to put BACK in to Kerrigan.Nor likely would as human DNA did no exist when it was Built. As her's was REBUILT so her cells now kill weaker cells in a survival of the fittest instead of aging or getting cancer Zerg Mutate. Those Genes are Gone. Not cover up Deleted. And that is what really makes a Zerg a Zerg. But what else the Alien device might do was a Guess or a Lie.Those Solid Hard facts.
The Dominion did know that the Device Might Kill her and would certainly Weaken her.That's why Daddy sent his son a inside guy "Tychus" to kill her off. This was all about Killing Kerrigan. That not Speculating what happened and Yes I agree "Tychus" got his head blown off.Hard facts.
Kerrigan DOSE not save, creation she is not the Redeemer of the Zerg she Nothing But a Human that had the greatest PSI power of any human the the OverMind could find that appeared abnormaly resistant to CONTROL. FACT SOLID FACT.
But the Over Mind Created a Chance becouse he saw the future (it was one of his powers) for all life to survive out of that human that Kerrigan used to be, And created The ZERG QUEEN OF BLADES a chance. And only The ZERG QUEEN OF BLADES can save all life.Stated in the game. Fact Solid Fact.
But it went wrong as she was more Charles Mason and not so much Jesus.Speculation
She Increased her own power beyond what OverMind Originaly gave her by undoing the neuro-adjuster in SC 1 it's a mission wear she Raids a Science lab. She get's Psi storm right after. That a Fact.
It was Revealed that any increase in Psi power has a small chances of making you go nuts.
Fact revealed if you choose Tosh and talk to the Doctor (and still got the Doctor) Ghosts are just as prone as Spectors and Nova Lied her azz off. Not speculation,Hard Fact.
She was depowered by the device Just like it was thought to work and Changed into a Reverted Human form but she still a Zerg. You can not be JUST A Little bit Zerg any more than you can be JUST A Little bit Dead or Just a Little bit Pregnant or Just a Little bit HIV Positive. Fact not speculating.
Kerrigan 's DNA like all Zerg DNA lacks telomeres the anti mutation anti cancer The Aging Genes so if she was made human she die in a day and half cover in tumors. Fact it was revealed in a loading screan in Starcraft 1 that she did not have them so was not aging. Hard Fact
Kerrigan cells work like a Infection that competes.
Cell A slits into Cell B and C. A tries to Kill B and C and they trie to Kill A and each other the strongest Cell get's to live. Evolution survival of the fittest and endless Mutation. Fact Revealed in the Books and Starcraft 2 research project.In hans thats Cancer, in Zerg it's waking up with acid blast ans scales instead of wrinkles and graying hair. Hard facts.
On more thing Kerrigan Can not have a Happy ending as a Human with Jim ,Not going to Happen.
Why? She Looks like the Leader of Zerg that is the most Hunted Hated Being in the Universe. She Killed the Dark Protoss Leader, She Murdered the Religious Conclave Leader,She Hunted by evry human for Killing 8 billion People on just 1 planet and she did that to Dozens of planets and she even tasted and licked the human blood of her victims off her hands. And is hunted by the Dominion Emperor and the UED.And the Voice of the Void Want's her dead, A GOD!
Were would she go? Retire and raise Cattle with Jimmy? It would be the first time all the Empires could agree on something. They blow the planet up she was standing on.
There no going home for the Queen of Blades. Hard Fact.
Last but not least Kerrigan's Hair is not Human nor are her eyes. There ZERG.
So here I am Speculating but Only in the Loosest sence.
If it walk like a Duck, Quack like a Duck and Looks Like A Duck It's probably a Duck!
And she certainly Looks Like a Zerg to me!
PS
Your sick of people wondering if Tychus is alive. Well he might be it is SCI-FI.
But can you Guess what I am sick of ?
She got Tentacles for Hair!!!
How could any one think that was Human????
News Flash Mengsk and his son Lied and played on Raynor's hopes.
In the Original Time Line Raynor would Never of Killed a uninfected Woman Never mind Kerrigan.
But He did he looked down saw a Semi human Zerg weakened But still Zerg and let Tychus Kill her. We know that's what happened.WAS MEANT TO HAPPEN! But now theres hope for all Creation.
This Time Raynor with her life in his hands Knowing she was Creations only hope of survival and saved her. And chose Hope over death. That was the whole Point of Zeratul's Warning and sharing his Vision.To change the future.
So even Raynor Knew Tentacles for Hair is not Human!
Hence the need for Zeratul's Warning !
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This is what I THINK will happen.
1. Kerrigan remains control of some of the Zerg.
2. As time passes, she'll eventually deal with Mengsk.
3. In the meantime, since kerrigan isn't full Zerg anymore, the Hybrids (which ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT THE XEL NAGA) will control the rest of the Zerg (9/10 of the Zerg I guess)
4. During this big battles, Raynor and Kerrigan figure out how the Protoss and Zerg will naturally merge, leading them back to Aiur.
5. In their trip in Aiur, they encounter Tassadar/Overmind 'merge' and become the First new generation XelNaga.
6. Blablabla
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