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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Obviously a human can't(read: shouldn't) be the one controlling the zerg. If the UED was still around and still enslaving the Overmind, that would've been a possibility but with the current state of the campaign I just don't see who's going to be the Jim Raynor of Heart of the Swarm. Any thoughts? | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
The proof of this, without going into spoilers about how the xelnaga work, is that Blizzard has explicitly said that the next story is about Kerrigan. We also know it's about the zerg. The connection is all too obvious. | ||
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semantics
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kineSiS-
Korea (South)1068 Posts
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Zombo Joe
Canada850 Posts
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agleed.agleed
Germany110 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
I doubt he'll be the main character though | ||
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tgdm
12 Posts
p.s. it wasn't a zerg artifact they used to 'purge' her. I'm leaning on Kerrigan still being mostly zerg. I think it was the original SC where there was no hero for the campaign mode (you were always hailed as the overmind). The zerg are always evolving, though, so I'm sure they'll think of something. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:58 tgdm wrote: No one finds Valerian's knowledge of the artifacts and their effects on the zerg convenient? p.s. it wasn't a zerg artifact they used to 'purge' her. I'm leaning on Kerrigan still being mostly zerg. I think it was the original SC where there was no hero for the campaign mode (you were always hailed as the overmind). The zerg are always evolving, though, so I'm sure they'll think of something. Valerian owns the Mobious foundation which seems to be led by Duran. Seems pretty obvious where his knowledge comes from imo. Just to nitpick, in the first game you weren't actually the overmind but rather a cerebrate created for the sole reason of protecting the crystal Kerrigan was in. Once she was hatched you became her fav cerebrate and the only one to follow her. As the terran you were a commander and as protoss you were the new executor replacing Tassadar who was shamed for not killing terrans. More confusing as to what you are in BW since it seems Artanis becomes executor. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:58 tgdm wrote: No one finds Valerian's knowledge of the artifacts and their effects on the zerg convenient? p.s. it wasn't a zerg artifact they used to 'purge' her. I'm leaning on Kerrigan still being mostly zerg. I think it was the original SC where there was no hero for the campaign mode (you were always hailed as the overmind). The zerg are always evolving, though, so I'm sure they'll think of something. I attribute that to Dr. Narud (Duran) as his objective would be to help the Terran/Protoss defeat Kerrigan and kill her so the hybrids can take over the Zerg. In the original SC you were either a commander, a cerebrate, or a protoss commander (whatever that title was). In SC2 it seems kinda odd. You're sorta Jim Raynor but mostly not. | ||
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Gedrah
465 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 1) We aren't sure what happened to Tychus yet. We hear a gunshot, then the scene fades out, basically. But we don't know if or in what part of the body Jim shot him. For all we know, he shot the suit's antenna off in some action-hero fashion which shut down all the kill switch hardware and caused the suit to unlock while simultaneously giving Mengsk the impression that he was killed and failed his mission. 2) While Kerrigan is now significantly less Zerged, don't forget that she was among the most powerful telepaths in the human race. I wouldn't be surprised if she still has the ability to control the swarm. Some scenes depict her treating them like children or pets and showing them affection, which is even returned to a mild degree (I refer to the petting of Hydralisks in cinematics and comforting the one that was dying). 3) It's clear that Dr. Narud and the Moebius foundation were not exactly what they were portrayed to be. The obvious connection between the names Narud and Duran is only the chunkiest evidence. We also have questions from this thread, such as how did they know about the Xel'naga artifacts at all, let alone what those artifacts might do to the Zerg or Kerrigan? How might this figure in to the Xel'naga's master plan? The future that Zeratul saw was only one slice of the space-time continuum, one dependent upon Raynor's Raiders killing Kerrigan. It's entirely possible that the force behind the scenes (The Fallen One?) possesses prescience as well, and has worked the latest developments into its plans as well. | ||
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Gedrah
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
On August 04 2010 14:14 Gedrah wrote: 1) We aren't sure what happened to Tychus yet. We hear a gunshot, then the scene fades out, basically. But we don't know if or in what part of the body Jim shot him. For all we know, he shot the suit's antenna off in some action-hero fashion which shut down all the kill switch hardware and caused the suit to unlock while simultaneously giving Mengsk the impression that he was killed and failed his mission. If I remember correctly once you beat the campaign it says that Tychus is dead. | ||
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tgdm
12 Posts
If Raynor had found a way to turn off the kill switch in Tychus' armor, that's something else. I could understand it not being included in the plot of WOL as far as the player experiences it, and it would justify the little act they put on prior to the gunshot. . . But Raynor blocks Tychus' shot with his own suit. The chance of putting on a show for Mengsk is unlikely. Their little brawl on the ship is explained by Tosh. Tychus is just building himself up to do something he didn't want to do. Kerrigan's humanity definitely isn't full restored, I think we can all agree on that. But uhhh Samir is black and Emil is white so I don't think I see where you're going with that last bit. As far as I know, Samir is in fact responsible for creating the hybrids and planting them all over the place to give them time to 'awaken,' whatever that was supposed to mean. We saw the hybrids controlling protoss and zerg units in addition to having a few of their own special flavor. The protoss that followed the Hybrids seemed to worship them as new gods, though, so maybe this suggests the hybrids are more adept at controlling zerg but retaining the intelligence of the protoss. Narud's research is interesting and some of his audio clips when you're preventing Kerrigan from finding the research is interesting. What I kept thinking about on that mission was "Wait, Kerrigan is running research and has labs set up?" I know that she was mostly just looking for the rest of the artifact, but her purpose in doing so isn't too clear. Why are all these protoss-protected relics separated in the first place? If their universal enemy is the zerg, why not just keep those bad boys up and running? I'm really expecting to see either a joined effort by Raynor and his crew to help Kerrigan control the zerg to stop attacking occupied planets and maybe moving them to their own part of the universe -OR- a hybrid crew leading the zerg. | ||
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MIKE HUTN EASY
Canada35 Posts
i firmly believe its gonna be Duran as he wasn't in this campaign and at the end turned out to be the real 'villian', or zerg ruler, however he may be the main bad guy as you fight the hybrids (duran) with the swarm (someother character) | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
haha but seriously, i think she still a little bit zerg with the hair. and i think its going to be the downfall of the dominion when she gets revenge and help zeratul fight off the xelnaga. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On August 04 2010 14:40 tgdm wrote: But uhhh Samir is black and Emil is white so I don't think I see where you're going with that last bit. As far as I know, Samir is in fact responsible for creating the hybrids and planting them all over the place to give them time to 'awaken,' whatever that was supposed to mean. We saw the hybrids controlling protoss and zerg units in addition to having a few of their own special flavor. The protoss that followed the Hybrids seemed to worship them as new gods, though, so maybe this suggests the hybrids are more adept at controlling zerg but retaining the intelligence of the protoss. . Ummm... if Duran is a Xel Naga, I'm pretty sure he can look whatever color he wants to the terrans =\. | ||
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tgdm
12 Posts
The overmind was happy to be able to infest Kerrigan. The mission where you get to sense the residual memories of the overmind tell us that it created Kerrigan as an act of defiance to its original creation/purpose. Samir said that Kerrigan was too simple minded for what he was doing, but that her becoming infested greatly expedited things for him. Samir wanted hybrids to come to be. If he is the hinted-at fallen XN it would explain a few things... but leave a lot more questions in its wake. Like why go through all the cloak and dagger routine to set up secret labs? Why not just create the hybrids in some remote part of the universe and then bust into the fray? Why pose as a terran rather than UED, even? Why not kill Kerrigan on his own if that was supposed to help the hybrids overthrow Kerrigan (assuming that by de-zergifying her wasn't the same as killing the queen of blades)? | ||
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
I went into the spoiler thread thinking that no one knows what happens in HotS, now knowing Blizzard released it, I read 1st post and the one above me, and it killed my StarCraft 2 experience. I'm just an idiot... F************ | ||
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Dexy205
United Kingdom12 Posts
Errr DURAN is still infected and could take over the swarm as there is no Kerrigan!!!! Wonder where he went...? He set up on the remote moons and the secret mission is kinda one. | ||
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sup3rchan
Canada127 Posts
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EliteAzn
United States661 Posts
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tgdm
12 Posts
^-- about Samir Duran as far as kerrigan being back to her human form, that just means she looks and acts human again. No more hive mentality. The confederacy was the one that started the experiments on ghosts + zerg (and thus created psi emitters). There's definitely grounds for control there. | ||
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Carthaginian
Australia3 Posts
On an unrelated note, did anyone else sort of fell that Matt Horner was supposed to be the player for the original game? | ||
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WyghtWolf
Israel145 Posts
On August 04 2010 16:27 Carthaginian wrote: Remember, Kerrigan was involved in the confederate experiment to use ghosts to control the Zerg. In fact, if i remember correctly, she was the ghost that was most adept at it in all the experiments they did. Then she got infested and it massively boosted her powers, so even though she is uninfested now (and lets assume a complete return to her level of power pre-infestation, even though her zerg hair seems to indicate retention of much of her power), she would have at least a nominal command of Zerg in her vicinity, should she want to. But I would say most likely the first few missions in HotS will definitely be her working to regain her control over the swarm and hunting down rouge cerebrates or whatnot that have tried to become the top dog in her absence. As far as I noticed, Kerrigan didn't create new cerebrates. She was too paranoid of what happened during the broodwars with Xazs(WTF was his name spelled like anyway?)and him trying to create a new overmind by fusing several cerebrates together, so she killed off all the ones that were still around. the reason why I think she didn't make new ones was the same reason the overmind gave her, mostly, free reign to do as she pleases. A strategist is only as good as the room for manuevaring he has. That's why the swarm attacked everything in sight, even itself when the over mind was lost. it lost it's brain, so it was reduced to pure instinct. also, it's stated somewhere that kerrigan mutated the queens to what they are now to allow her easier dominance over the zerg. sure, the queens probably have free will to a degree, but they can't do anything that might endanger their queen(like creating a new overmind). it might have something to do with bits of kerrigan being mixed in with the queens DNA(the huge claws the queens use to attack the ground) Yeah. I'm thinking the zerg will be controlled by the now half human kerrigan. why half? during the final scene where jim found her in the ash, her eyes were still the same as when she was infested(although they didn't glow, and you could see her old eyes as well under the gold). | ||
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splcer
United States166 Posts
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
2) Kerrigan is not fully human. Therefore she still has some power over the snerg. 3) Narud = Duran. He had vitiligo. These are my thoughts. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
The one question I have is, what if the artifact didn't alter Kerrigan's powers, but rather her mindset? Remember when she met Zeratul on the prophecy world, she seemed to be bored/ready to accept the inevitable doom coming for them. That seems to be a zerg mentality, so what if the dezergification not only returned part of her human body, but also her human mind? If so, wouldn't the human Kerrigan want to use the army she still controls to fight the return of the Dark One? Just a thought. Perhaps Heart of the Swarm could have you controlling Kerrigan - as she fought alongside Raynor. Perhaps fighting more Protoss that worship the hybrids/more Tal'darim (why did they guard the only dezergification machine in the galaxy and NOT use it...?) Perhaps taking some time out to give Mengsk a serious smackdown for what he did? There are definite possibilities there. I'm still sad about Tychus' passing, though. Man was the most badass comic relief we've had in a while. | ||
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Camila_br
Brazil529 Posts
I'm already picturing the first mission of HotS: Kerrigan will try to control frenzied drones, overlords and zerglings. And the next few missions she will try to get other units to her side as well. Kerrigan's enemies will be the terran's dominion, frenzied zergs without control, protoss who didn't believe Zeratul's premonition, and the hybrids. | ||
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JunZ
United States314 Posts
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tetracycloide
295 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:30 On_Slaught wrote: Kerrigan will still be the leader of the zerg. She wasn't turned into a terran. She was merely balanced between zerg and human (whereas before she was much more zerg), probably even making her more powerful. The proof of this, without going into spoilers about how the xelnaga work, is that Blizzard has explicitly said that the next story is about Kerrigan. We also know it's about the zerg. The connection is all too obvious. Further evidence lies in the Prophecy Missions. The Zerg, should Kerrigan have died, would be used as tool for the Voice of the Void combined with his hybrids to destroy. Given the way the campaign ended I would say the next two campaigns will revolve around Kerrigan gathering her strength in her new form so she can remain in control over the swarm instead of the Voice, and finally in the Protoss campaign some kind of final confrontation, much like the level In Utter Darkness, only this time Kerrigan and some if not all of the swarm is on your side plus it will be a full campaign. I'm sure there will be plenty of drama in both campaigns about everyone coming to grips with allying themselves with Kerrigan and by extension the Zerg but they'll all eventually get over it and win through in the end but only just barely. | ||
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Kezzer
United States1268 Posts
On August 04 2010 17:36 GenesisX wrote: 1) Tychus becomes infested. He is the King of Blades. 2) Kerrigan is not fully human. Therefore she still has some power over the snerg. 3) Narud = Duran. He had vitiligo. These are my thoughts. Or maybe Jack of Blades becomes the new leader of the Swarm. | ||
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Psychopomp
United States237 Posts
On August 04 2010 14:05 On_Slaught wrote: Valerian owns the Mobious foundation which seems to be led by Duran. Seems pretty obvious where his knowledge comes from imo. Just to nitpick, in the first game you weren't actually the overmind but rather a cerebrate created for the sole reason of protecting the crystal Kerrigan was in. Once she was hatched you became her fav cerebrate and the only one to follow her. As the terran you were a commander and as protoss you were the new executor replacing Tassadar who was shamed for not killing terrans. More confusing as to what you are in BW since it seems Artanis becomes executor. I think they just dropped the plot device altogether after SC1. | ||
l10f
United States3241 Posts
On August 05 2010 03:13 Kezzer wrote: Or maybe Jack of Blades becomes the new leader of the Swarm. Valerian gets infested??? | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On August 04 2010 14:05 Logo wrote: I attribute that to Dr. Narud (Duran) as his objective would be to help the Terran/Protoss defeat Kerrigan and kill her so the hybrids can take over the Zerg. In the original SC you were either a commander, a cerebrate, or a protoss commander (whatever that title was). In SC2 it seems kinda odd. You're sorta Jim Raynor but mostly not. SC1 you were Terran Magistrate Cerebrate (Killed by Tassadar) Artanis Selendis UED Captain (killed by Kerrigan) Cerebrate (killed by Kerrigan) | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
Also, Duran will probably show up in the next game. But we can't know what Blizzard has planned. It's like 1.5 years until they will release the HotS-expansion(which im really looking forward to ) | ||
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Spaceninja
United States211 Posts
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lazerwizz
Hungary53 Posts
INFESTED NOVA WILL LEAD THE ZERG IN HOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I called it first. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
I guess Heart of the Swarm will be about "infested but not so much" Kerrigan slowly regaining control of the Zerg swarm. She will probably also have to deal with Mengsk. We will also get bits and peaces about who the Xel'Naga are, what their plan was and how it all went wrong (or did it?). Legacy of the Void will probably with the aftermath and the fight against whoever we discover as the mastermind of the (possible) destruction of everything. Probably also a lot more background about the Protoss culture with more info on Tassadar and flashbacks into Protoss history. Of course the Terrans will play a part in some way or another. Oh yeah, also a few "WTF" moments by Blizzard mixed in like the OMFG-WOW video of Ghost-Kerrigan beeing overrun by the Zerg. | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:04 Last Romantic wrote: SC1 you were Terran Magistrate Cerebrate (Killed by Tassadar) Artanis Selendis UED Captain (killed by Kerrigan) Cerebrate (killed by Kerrigan) In SC, you were a Protoss Executor or just a commander. Selendis wasn't even in SC1 since she's a new character for SC2. | ||
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Ayush_SCtoss
India3050 Posts
Plus I have a feeling UED will return. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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UnderWorld_Dream
Canada219 Posts
Still interesting enough of an idea to elaborate :D 1. We know that the next generation of Xel'naga will be born from the protoss and the zergs but it's not by combining the DNA like Duran is doing. 2. We also know that the artifacts are part of the puzzle to the return of the Xel'naga. 3. Zeratul foresaw that the death of Kerrigan would mean the doom of the universe to the Dark Voice and his hybrids. So what happens if you merge a zerg with the protoss essence using the protoss artifacts? That could very well create the next generation of Xel'naga. And what happens if you merge a zerg/terran with the protoss essence? You might have a new generation of Xel'naga created by the essences of 3 races instead of 2. Wich means increased powers, and the ability to fight the Dark One like the prophesy foretold. The Xel'naga never really created Zerg ad Protoss, they helped them and wanted to use their essence (best trait of the race) to reproduce. No one has ever said this requiers only two essences, and none knows the real process of creating this new generation of Xel'naga. If the Xel'naga noticed or recognized potential in the terrans back in the days, maybe they would have helped them too. And maybe they would have found something useful in the 'essence'. Useful enough to be planning to use their essence in their next generation. (I'm guessing the terrans were'nt even existing back then) Terrans have something the other 2 races have not: creativity, loose-mind and artistic sense. The Dark One may be all powerfull and be able to foresaw the future. But chances are he did not put the terrans in his equation. Thus, creativity of the terran essence might be the key to defeating the Dark One, and to the next generation of Xel'naga. So, Kerrigan is the first of the new generation of Xel'naga. Combining essence of the 3 races. She might very well ressurect the overmind, lead the swarm against Mensk as he did side with Duran and the Dark One. That would be the story of HoTS. ( if you think about it, the Heart of the swarm is the overmind right? No way it will not be ressurected.) What's cool about prophesies is, they are most of the time misinterpreted. You gotta think outside the box! Again, these are only thoughts!! | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Hikari
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On August 05 2010 05:23 zoLo wrote: In SC, you were a Protoss Executor or just a commander. Selendis wasn't even in SC1 since she's a new character for SC2. well, the executor from episode 3 has been confirmed to be artanis, the executor from episode 4 is unknown, even though it's possible that it's artanis, too. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 05 2010 09:10 heishe wrote: well, the executor from episode 3 has been confirmed to be artanis, the executor from episode 4 is unknown, even though it's possible that it's artanis, too. Where was it confirmed? Possible for episode 3. Episode 4 DEFINITELY not because you meet Artanis lol. | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
duran was my fave since the first mission where i met him, i cant wait to see more of him. "i think im having a technical difficulty!" while stukov's forces are getting raped by the zerg, rofl! | ||
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Humga
Australia43 Posts
I too think the missions will be Kerrigan wrestling to control the zerg once more. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
The first expansion set, Heart of the Swarm (working title), will follow later and include a single-player campaign focusing on the zerg and Kerrigan, Queen of Blades They've already talked about Kerrigan using mutations to strengthen herself so she can't be fully human or at least not for long. The Zerg may have more RPG-like elements as they try to upgrade their Queen. http://www.1up.com/news/starcraft-2-trilogy | ||
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alsowikk
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btlyger
United States470 Posts
First off, Tychus is definitely dead, its on the end screen. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VLds3.png) Also, like previously posted Heart of the Swarm is said by blizzard to focus on kerrigan, and the screen shot above even says you discover Kerrigan's fate and the rest of the zerg. They don't say raynor, they don't say mengsk's fate, they say Kerrigan and the zerg. Her connection with the zerg isn't over yet, even if she is not fully zerg anymore. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 05 2010 10:32 btlyger wrote: Sorry to be mean about this, but do you guys even read/care about the story? First off, Tychus is definitely dead, its on the end screen. Also, like previously posted Heart of the Swarm is said by blizzard to focus on kerrigan, and the screen shot above even says you discover Kerrigan's fate and the rest of the zerg. They don't say raynor, they don't say mengsk's fate, they say Kerrigan and the zerg. Her connection with the zerg isn't over yet, even if she is not fully zerg anymore. I guess I'm partly in denial. I mean, part of what made the zerg so unique and made me want to play them is just how ...dark they are. They are without a doubt the "monsters" of the sc legacy. At least until this latest campaign. Think about it, you got to play as the servant of an all powerful Overmind who only cared to assimilate and destroy. Even while playing in multiplayer, am I the only one who got the shivers just from seeing the Overmind's eye in the icon screen. I guess I just don't want the zerg to become a "misunderstood" race like the orcs. I mean, are they even sentinent? I know the overmind is, but the zerg themselves? If the zerg become simply "slaves" than what does zerg really mean anymore. I myself would probably prefer a new Zerg Leader unwittingly serving the Xel Naga, and all the while destroy terran and toss and Kerrigan, who struggles with her zerg broods. As long as the zerg had remained "dark" they were epic. Even this storyline would be alright if the Overmind could really still be an evil being. Not just self-serving, but truly just.... Borg like. Maybe tricked, but slaves? Guess I was in denial. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On August 05 2010 05:23 zoLo wrote: In SC, you were a Protoss Executor or just a commander. Selendis wasn't even in SC1 since she's a new character for SC2. Pretty sure they explicitly called you executor in the first game so that. You replaced Tassadar. I agree with people that at least iwth hte start of the next game Kerrigan will work to regain control of the zerg. I disagree with the person who said that Kerrigan is a combination of 3 races. The artifact was not protoss but xelnaga. So no protoss elements were infused into her. Rather, the reason the combination of her and the zerg works is because she is probably the most powerul human psychic ever. This puts here on level with a protoss and provides the necessary elements for a combination. I dunno whether or not she is human will make much difference but it might. We'll see. | ||
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biarecare
United States76 Posts
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TheBigJ
14 Posts
I'm certainly glad to see Blizzard do something other than it's normal "bad guys win" claptrap storytelling. I thought WOL was great and had a wonderful ending. | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On August 05 2010 10:41 Pandain wrote: I guess I'm partly in denial. I mean, part of what made the zerg so unique and made me want to play them is just how ...dark they are. They are without a doubt the "monsters" of the sc legacy. At least until this latest campaign. Think about it, you got to play as the servant of an all powerful Overmind who only cared to assimilate and destroy. Even while playing in multiplayer, am I the only one who got the shivers just from seeing the Overmind's eye in the icon screen. I guess I just don't want the zerg to become a "misunderstood" race like the orcs. I mean, are they even sentinent? I know the overmind is, but the zerg themselves? If the zerg become simply "slaves" than what does zerg really mean anymore. I myself would probably prefer a new Zerg Leader unwittingly serving the Xel Naga, and all the while destroy terran and toss and Kerrigan, who struggles with her zerg broods. As long as the zerg had remained "dark" they were epic. Even this storyline would be alright if the Overmind could really still be an evil being. Not just self-serving, but truly just.... Borg like. Maybe tricked, but slaves? Guess I was in denial. Technically though, they are the misunderstood race. I know some people who think zergs are brutal killing machines whose sole purpose is to annihilate everything. Well, that's partially true. It's not the individual zerg creatures who harbor those feelings, but the Overmind, the Cerebrates, and then Kerrigan who commands them. Without a leader to control them, they're just different strains of their peaceful ancestors. Hark back to the campaign in SC where you go around with the psi emitter picking up lost and confused zergling and hydras. That's exactly what they are. I'm sure if they're being controlled by someone nice and fluffy, they'll in turn become essentially domesticated pets. | ||
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
On August 04 2010 16:13 tgdm wrote: "infected" not infected ^-- about Samir Duran infected not infected huh? did you mean to say "infested, not infected"? | ||
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NeonGenesis
Norway260 Posts
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PGHammer
United States132 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:26 Pandain wrote: Now with Kerrigan being humanified and having no Overmind or zerg leader, I've been left wondering whos going to be the main character in heart of the swarm. Unless Blizzard does some dumb thing where they have to show "flashbacks" of Kerrigan becoming a zerg again, I've been forced to conclude that there's going to be a new character in Heart of the Swarm, much like how in Brood War you were a new cerebrate. Obviously a human can't(read: shouldn't) be the one controlling the zerg. If the UED was still around and still enslaving the Overmind, that would've been a possibility but with the current state of the campaign I just don't see who's going to be the Jim Raynor of Heart of the Swarm. Any thoughts? HotS could be *backstory* (remember, all of the Protoss missions in the SP campaign were played from Zeratul's POV *prior* to his showing up on the Hyperion) covering the entire period between BW and WoL (that's a four year gap, folks) and what was going on with Kerrigan amidst the Zerg. *Someone* royally screwed over the Zerg Overmind (Zeratul *and* Tassadar agree on that). Arcturus Mengsk played the Zerg against the Confederacy (that is straight from the BW backstory, and WoL vindicates it) and definitely wanted Sarah Kerrigan dead (for the age-old reason of her Knowing Too Much); in fact, Mengsk wanted *Raynor* just as dead (Arcturus, *not* Valerian). Here's the other interesting storyline - the connection between Arcturus Mengsk, the Hybrids, and the Zerg Overmind (in fact, the Zerg as a whole) being royally screwed over. There is *definitely* a connection (according to as diverse a crew as Valerian Mengsk, Zeratul and Tassadar; remember, Zeratul told Jim Raynor to make sure that Sarah Kerrigan stayed alive). Now, Sarah is very much alive (and has all sorts of Incriminating Information in her head; not the least of which is the major part of how Arcturus Mengsk used the Zerg against the Confederacy (and to an extent, the Dominion as well); it is extremely possible that the ultimate blame for *everything* that Sarah Kerrigan did as Queen of Blades could be laid at Arcturus Mengsk' feet (which gives the man even more reason to want her dead; crimes against humanity usually leads to a date with a wall full of holes)). There is also the very real possibility that Sarah has additional information inside her head (possibly regarding how badly the Overmind got screwed over, and who/what did the screwing) that the Protoss, if not the Zerg, would be very interested in (it's pretty certain that the Zerg would be rather horked off to find that they were used). Basically, the tie-up (in the third part of the cycle, which concentrates on the Protoss, but will likely have some Zerg and Terran sections) could well revolve around the hunt for Arcturus Mengsk (by Raynor and Kerrigan, by the Protoss (possibly) and even by the Zerg) with all three races landing squarely and ultimately on his head. | ||
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Phrencys
Canada270 Posts
My theory is that she'll have to willingly give up on her restored humanity in order to keep the swarm in check. The reasoning is that Blizzard's writers aren't really creative lately, and basically make the same thing in Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft universe. The diablo1 hero tried to hold the demon and got corrupted, Bolvar is somewhat controlling the Scourge, and Kerrigan will have to give up on a happy life with Raynor in order to save the galaxy from the hybrids. Unless Blizzard fire their predictable writer(s), I'm guessing Kerrigan and Duran will be fighting for control over the swarm on one side, while both Mengks will try to pull nasty stuff on her & Raynor on the other front. Zeratul might be helping with giving her back her power, with another (omg surprise) artifact or crystal of some sort. Raynor will be reluctantly helping her knowing there won't be any coming back, but at least he'll forgive himself after a stupidly melodramatic scene where she tells him everything is okay! | ||
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TheBigJ
14 Posts
On August 06 2010 04:06 Phrencys wrote: There's no doubt in my mind that HotS main character will be Kerrigan. My theory is that she'll have to willingly give up on her restored humanity in order to keep the swarm in check. The reasoning is that Blizzard's writers aren't really creative lately, and basically make the same thing in Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft universe. The diablo1 hero tried to hold the demon and got corrupted, Bolvar is somewhat controlling the Scourge, and Kerrigan will have to give up on a happy life with Raynor in order to save the galaxy from the hybrids. Unless Blizzard fire their predictable writer(s), I'm guessing Kerrigan and Duran will be fighting for control over the swarm on one side, while both Mengks will try to pull nasty stuff on her & Raynor on the other front. Zeratul might be helping with giving her back her power, with another (omg surprise) artifact or crystal of some sort. Raynor will be reluctantly helping her knowing there won't be any coming back, but at least he'll forgive himself after a stupidly melodramatic scene where she tells him everything is okay! Blech. Blizzard is full of fools if they have Kerrigan get re-infested. It would completely invalidate the entire WOL campaign. I've no doubt she'll undergo a lot of changes in HoTS, I'm fine with that as long as she remains human. After everything Raynor and Kerrigan suffered together, they've earned their happy ending. If Blizzard doesn't deliver, then f*** them and their progeny  | ||
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Phrencys
Canada270 Posts
On August 06 2010 04:15 TheBigJ wrote: Blech. Blizzard is full of fools if they have Kerrigan get re-infested. It would completely invalidate the entire WOL campaign. I've no doubt she'll undergo a lot of changes in HoTS, I'm fine with that as long as she remains human. After everything Raynor and Kerrigan suffered together, they've earned their happy ending. If Blizzard doesn't deliver, then f*** them and their progeny If Blizzard has one consistency in their predictable storylines is that EVERY single somewhat happy ending has to come with a sacrifice. They use these sacrifices as "cliffhangers". D1 hero sacrificed himself with the soulstone, in D2 Tyriel destroyed the world stone, Tassadar went kamikaze against the Overmind, Raynor killed Tychus to save Kerrigan... I wouldn't count on that happy ending with angels and balloons floating around to celebrate Raynor and Kerrigan finally making babies. Either Kerrigan will have to sacrifice her humanity to take control of the swarm again (in which case she'd become a monstruosity again, but more merciful) or she'll die at some point (in the Protoss campaign) Raynor in shiny armor will be brief. Blizzard made it obvious that she wasn't totally reverted to human. There's no way in hell that she'll continue leading the Zerg against Hybrids alongside Terrans and Protoss while keeping her "cleansed" state. | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
It seems a lot of people are assuming that Duran is a Xel'naga or that the Xel'naga are evil / behind the creation of the hybrids. They are in fact NOT evil. In fact they wouldn't hurt a fly. They refuse to kill anything, not even other evil creatures. Although it's true that they wanted the zerg and protoss to merge to continue the life cycle, it's unlikely that they were behind any of the events that transpired in the first two games. The true evil, for those who haven't read the books, is the "Dark Void", which goes by many names. He is a Lovecraftian like super god who was imprisoned by the Xel'naga, and likely has Duran and Narud as his avatar. He is also the guy with the red eyes and shadowy face in the into the darkness mission. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On August 04 2010 13 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 13 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:55 Logo wrote: One thought that occurred to me is maybe Tychus will become an infected Terran. Raynor and co leave is body there (really what choice do they have) and then run into him later. I doubt he'll be the main character though who would infect him? all the zerg was purified | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
On August 05 2010 14:11 On_Slaught wrote: I disagree with the person who said that Kerrigan is a combination of 3 races. The artifact was not protoss but xelnaga. So no protoss elements were infused into her. Rather, the reason the combination of her and the zerg works is because she is probably the most powerul human psychic ever. This puts here on level with a protoss and provides the necessary elements for a combination. I dunno whether or not she is human will make much difference but it might. We'll see. Well I'd actually say she is part of all races due to her psionic capabilities which are more a similarity to the Protoss than actually being related. Though it would still stand that she has an element of something signature of each race. Also no way Tychus is going to be infested. It would mean there was somehow left over zerg or Kerrigan infests him later. It would also mean that Raynor just left his body on Char which would be a really surprising thing for him to do since they were friends. They purified all the Zerg, they had plenty of time. Raynor carried out Kerrigan so he couldn't carry out Tychus personally but some of his four other marines could carry him out. | ||
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PGHammer
United States132 Posts
On August 06 2010 04:06 Phrencys wrote: There's no doubt in my mind that HotS main character will be Kerrigan. My theory is that she'll have to willingly give up on her restored humanity in order to keep the swarm in check. The reasoning is that Blizzard's writers aren't really creative lately, and basically make the same thing in Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft universe. The diablo1 hero tried to hold the demon and got corrupted, Bolvar is somewhat controlling the Scourge, and Kerrigan will have to give up on a happy life with Raynor in order to save the galaxy from the hybrids. Unless Blizzard fire their predictable writer(s), I'm guessing Kerrigan and Duran will be fighting for control over the swarm on one side, while both Mengks will try to pull nasty stuff on her & Raynor on the other front. Zeratul might be helping with giving her back her power, with another (omg surprise) artifact or crystal of some sort. Raynor will be reluctantly helping her knowing there won't be any coming back, but at least he'll forgive himself after a stupidly melodramatic scene where she tells him everything is okay! That might have flown. except that WoL paved the way for *backstory missions* (the entire Protoss sub-campaign is backstory, and all happened during that gap between BW and WoL/between BW and Zeratul showing up on the Hyperion). Because of some details that we now have confirmed (not only did Arcturus Mengsk screw Sarah Kerrigan over, and tried to have her knocked off, he may well be complicit in screwing over the Zerg Overmind), at least some Protoss are horked off at Mengsk (if it turns out that Arcturus is complicit in the creation of the Hybrids, then it is pretty darn certain that even more Protoss will be rather upset with the man). The Zerg (as a species) are not yet aware as to how much they have been used, as the details are locked inside either Sarah Kerrigan's head, or Jim Raynor's head. The Mengsks - At the least, Valerian and Arcturus, despite being father and son, are at serious loggerheads, and it may well get far worse than it already is. Arcturus wanted Valerian to *fail* on Char (and that was before he found out that Jim Raynor was Valerian's ace in the hole!); worse, he has no idea how much Raynor knows about his machinations (including setting up Kerrigan). Raynor finding that old Adjutant was dead useful; however, finding, rescuing, and curing Sarah Kerrigan was a major prize; inside Sarah's head is literally the information Jim needs to put Arcturus Mengsk up against a nice wall full of holes. If there is any evidence at all linking Arcturus Mengsk and the Hybrids (while Jim Raynor may not have that, Sarah Kerrigan just might), Valerian may well *protect* Raynor and Sarah from "daddy not-so-dearest". If my theory (and it's just that; *my* theory) holds up, HotS could well be a narrative from Sarah Kerrigan's POV of her time as Queen of Blades (along with some of her last days as a Ghost before the Zerg captured her); especially if there is any linkage between Arcturus Mengsk and the Hybrids (which would also link Mengsk to those radical Protoss that both Raynor and Zeratul tangled with in WoL). That theory could therefore set up a grand original SC/BW faceoff between the core races (Terrans under Valerian Mengsk/Raynor/Kerrigan, the horked-off core Zerg, and the core Protoss), vs. Mengsk's co-opted Terrans/Protoss/Zerg and the Hybrids in part three. | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:04 Last Romantic wrote: SC1 you were Terran Magistrate Cerebrate (Killed by Tassadar) Artanis Selendis UED Captain (killed by Kerrigan) Cerebrate (killed by Kerrigan) Ya, this was Blizzard's attempt of revisionists history to try and make the canon make sense. It's clear that they didn't quite think ahead well enough, and there is tons of conflicting evidence. For one, if you were Artanis in SC (of which I don't deny Blizzard NOW wants us to think) than why was he demoted to Prelete, shouldn't killing the Overmind be impressive on your resume? Artanis is constantly portrayed as young and naive, yet, Fenix says in SC 1 "executor, although we have marched over countless worlds together. . ." implying that you are an experience veteran even if you are the new executor. Also, I refuse to believe the official canon for aesthetic reasons. The idea of Kerrigan claiming the same cerebrate that was made for the sole purpose of protecting her, not only makes sense (why would she trust any other cerebrate), but is a very cool concept and creates congruency for the PCs which is very lacking. Also, no way am I pretending to be a female executor or a rookie Prelete. Plus I like the idea of being a Magistrate, so I pretend there is a unseen character on the Hyperion in SC2 calling the action who has stuck with Raynor through out. It's clear that when SC was first made, it wasn't intended to be a fleshed out universe, rather it was a hodgepodge of lore, created over time, that became a universe. So the playerhas to fill in a lot of the gapes, and correct a lot of the conflicting or unrealistic data. Even the time line has problem; like "The Great War" lasting less than a year (we've been in Iraq for how long know)? Plus Raynor is only 34 in SC2, yet is portrayed as a greying and aging man. I know some people who haven't aged well, but none quite as bad as Raynor. Espeically if it's 500 years in the future, and we already making head way in technology that can slow down the aging process. But that's the comic nerd in me, one has to suspend one's disbelief. | ||
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Fitzsimmons
Canada36 Posts
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CruS
Sweden218 Posts
In the end (credits) it clearly states in the thank you part: "YOUR MOM". And seeing she has not been introduced yet I am willing to bet she is the main character of the sql. Not giving the best odds tho but still.. | ||
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TheBigJ
14 Posts
On August 06 2010 04:32 Phrencys wrote: If Blizzard has one consistency in their predictable storylines is that EVERY single somewhat happy ending has to come with a sacrifice. They use these sacrifices as "cliffhangers". D1 hero sacrificed himself with the soulstone, in D2 Tyriel destroyed the world stone, Tassadar went kamikaze against the Overmind, Raynor killed Tychus to save Kerrigan... I wouldn't count on that happy ending with angels and balloons floating around to celebrate Raynor and Kerrigan finally making babies. Either Kerrigan will have to sacrifice her humanity to take control of the swarm again (in which case she'd become a monstruosity again, but more merciful) or she'll die at some point (in the Protoss campaign) Raynor in shiny armor will be brief. Blizzard made it obvious that she wasn't totally reverted to human. There's no way in hell that she'll continue leading the Zerg against Hybrids alongside Terrans and Protoss while keeping her "cleansed" state. As I said, then Blizzard are fools. I'm not going to pay for a story that's going to make me want to gouge my eyeballs out with a rusted spoon. As I said, after everything they've suffered together, if Raynor and Kerrigan don't get their happy ending, then Blizzard can go to hell. | ||
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Knightlax
United States150 Posts
Also, someone had made the somewhat obscure and debatable connection that Emil spelled backwards is Lime, which can have the meaning to whitewash/clean something in a mixture of lime and water, possibly referring to his "white" color as being a cover. Thus, Lime Duran (Emil Narud) is a whitewashed Duran. It makes sense but seems a bit of a stretch to me there. Maybe the guys at Blizzard were just paying homage to Michael Jackson. | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
On August 06 2010 06:12 TheBigJ wrote: As I said, then Blizzard are fools. I'm not going to pay for a story that's going to make me want to gouge my eyeballs out with a rusted spoon. As I said, after everything they've suffered together, if Raynor and Kerrigan don't get their happy ending, then Blizzard can go to hell. This is the epitome of everything wrong with our culture. This is why Disney methodically ruined every classic in the literary canon. People are unable to recognize the function of art, which is to unite the viewer with either human suffering (tragedy) or human joy (comedy), and NOT to serve poetic justice in every single story. Perhaps you would have liked it better if Hamlet avenged his father then lived happily ever after (see the Lion King), if so then I suggest you stick with Disney and leave real literature to the adults. (not to imply that I am remotely comparing Blizzard to Shakespeare or saying that SC is literature or even art. Just pointing out the mentality implied in this post) | ||
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TheBigJ
14 Posts
On August 06 2010 06:53 fathead wrote: This is the epitome of everything wrong with our culture. This is why Disney methodically ruined every classic in the literary canon. People are unable to recognize the function of art, which is to unite the viewer with either human suffering (tragedy) or human joy (comedy), and NOT to serve poetic justice in every single story. Perhaps you would have liked it better if Hamlet avenged his father then lived happily ever after (see the Lion King), if so then I suggest you stick with Disney and leave real literature to the adults. (not to imply that I am remotely comparing Blizzard to Shakespeare or saying that SC is literature or even art. Just pointing out the mentality implied in this post) Good books or good stories that happen to be video games are intended to be escapist. As you say, they aren't art and the developers shouldn't try to make it that. I indulge in such things to be entertained, not depressed. I think we got more than enough tragedy from Starcraft 1. | ||
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NeonGenesis
Norway260 Posts
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alsowikk
109 Posts
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Tiazi
Netherlands761 Posts
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llortyag
United States64 Posts
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darastrix
United States22 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:04 Last Romantic wrote: SC1 you were Terran Magistrate Cerebrate (Killed by Tassadar) Artanis Selendis UED Captain (killed by Kerrigan) Cerebrate (killed by Kerrigan) you were not Artanis in Starcraft. There is no evidence that Artanis was ever an Executor. He is appointed praetor following the death of the Overmind, and it doesn't say what he did before that. Furthermore in SC:BW his line "I am not worthy even to speak his name" (referring to Tassadar) is not characteristic of someone who helped him out of a good number of tight spots. It would make more sense if they were never acquainted. Also, Selendis can't be the second Protoss Executor. If you beat Selendis in SC2, she says "you are as cunning as the stories say" which wouldn't make sense if they had already worked together to ensure the Protoss evacuation. Also, in both SC and SC:BW Fenix's manner imo is generally indicative of you being old friends, making me think that you are the same Executor in both games, especially considering that you are never greeted as a new executor and it seems like for all the world like the Protoss only ever have one executor at a time. This last would definitely explain why there is a distinct need to replace Tassadar before the start of the first Protoss campaign. | ||
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darastrix
United States22 Posts
On August 06 2010 05:24 fathead wrote: For one, if you were Artanis in SC (of which I don't deny Blizzard NOW wants us to think) than why was he demoted to Prelete, shouldn't killing the Overmind be impressive on your resume? I am with you on this, but I double checked, Artanis is a Praetor, not a Prelete. Zeratul is a Prelete. | ||
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darastrix
United States22 Posts
On August 06 2010 06:53 fathead wrote: This is the epitome of everything wrong with our culture. This is why Disney methodically ruined every classic in the literary canon. People are unable to recognize the function of art, which is to unite the viewer with either human suffering (tragedy) or human joy (comedy), and NOT to serve poetic justice in every single story. Perhaps you would have liked it better if Hamlet avenged his father then lived happily ever after (see the Lion King), if so then I suggest you stick with Disney and leave real literature to the adults. (not to imply that I am remotely comparing Blizzard to Shakespeare or saying that SC is literature or even art. Just pointing out the mentality implied in this post) I don't see what your problem is with the Lion King. Thematically, although perhaps not in the execution of its theme, I view it as superior to Hamlet. Think about it this way. The Lion King shows you that if you face your problems, you can overcome them-- both existentially and psychologically. In Hamlet the theme is that "there is nothing you can do, its all fate, EVERYONE DIES AND IT IS VERY UNPLEASANT! also we all live in misery and terror" so really man, there was nothing you could have done about all those mistakes you made because you didn't face your problems. It was all fated to happen. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:30 On_Slaught wrote: Kerrigan will still be the leader of the zerg. She wasn't turned into a terran. She was merely balanced between zerg and human (whereas before she was much more zerg), probably even making her more powerful. The proof of this, without going into spoilers about how the xelnaga work, is that Blizzard has explicitly said that the next story is about Kerrigan. We also know it's about the zerg. The connection is all too obvious. Plus even after the artificat thing, she still had tenticle hair. That shit aint human. Thats the biggest indicator. | ||
BLinD-RawR
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alsowikk
109 Posts
On August 08 2010 13:04 Darpa wrote: Plus even after the artificat thing, she still had tenticle hair. That shit aint human. Thats the biggest indicator. Am I the only one who thinks their is a different reason for it being there? Think about it this way, no other zerg show anything similar to the tentacles on Kerrigans head. The only creatures with similar "hair" are the protoss and their Khaila. Since the overmind absorbed the Xel'naga it also absorbed the way they made the protoss and saved the knowledge for when he made Kerrigna(how else can she control the swarm in the first place if she can't link to them?) | ||
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darastrix
United States22 Posts
As has been noted by previous posters, the original game did not need to include a completely detailed and consistent universe. I suppose we have to ask the question of whether adhering to "minor" elements in the first chapter are worth making the next chapter less immersive. Maybe we can all just enjoy how there are minor inconsistencies within the story, as it is a game after all, and at least have some other source to turn to for "what actually happened." | ||
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darastrix
United States22 Posts
It could be as simple as "my queen, the Ultralisks aren't ready yet because the planet was devastated by an epic explosion." But there is likely some reason why Kerrigan doesn't have infinite resources at the beginning of HotS. Of course I'm not against it just being epic battles from start to finish against a huge legion coming out of nowhere, or "The Void" as it were. We shall see. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On August 04 2010 16:27 Carthaginian wrote: On an unrelated note, did anyone else sort of fell that Matt Horner was supposed to be the player for the original game? Oh wow! never thought of it that way!! I was the great magistrate?! HAHAH NICE!! | ||
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The_Voidless
United States184 Posts
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On August 08 2010 15:04 The_Voidless wrote: Well Kerrigan could control the zerg to destroy Mengsk but that would be lame, we need a zergling that is the hero and evolves into something fantastic or something like that. Also since we are on the topic, who is Prismatic, the void rays say this name "Prismatic you're failing", is this the leader of the Protoss? woah man. that would be a wicked idea for a book or something. A zerg "unit" that develops its own free will and breaks free from the hive mind collective. like a zergling or something. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 04 2010 14:05 Logo wrote: I attribute that to Dr. Narud (Duran) as his objective would be to help the Terran/Protoss defeat Kerrigan and kill her so the hybrids can take over the Zerg. In the original SC you were either a commander, a cerebrate, or a protoss commander (whatever that title was). In SC2 it seems kinda odd. You're sorta Jim Raynor but mostly not. actually in SC you were Artanis not kidding On August 08 2010 15:04 The_Voidless wrote: Well Kerrigan could control the zerg to destroy Mengsk but that would be lame, we need a zergling that is the hero and evolves into something fantastic or something like that. Also since we are on the topic, who is Prismatic, the void rays say this name "Prismatic you're failing", is this the leader of the Protoss? It says Prismatic core failing.. Artanis is leader of the protoss i think | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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The_Voidless
United States184 Posts
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flux`
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Dezzimal
United States148 Posts
Their little brawl on the ship is explained by Tosh. Picking Ghosts is almost detrimental to the storyline since Tosh leaves you and winds up dead to boot. I wonder how blizzard is going to work that one out, will Tosh still be around in your campaign if you let him live, or is he going to die anyway off screen somewhere. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On August 04 2010 14:05 Logo wrote: I attribute that to Dr. Narud (Duran) as his objective would be to help the Terran/Protoss defeat Kerrigan and kill her so the hybrids can take over the Zerg. In the original SC you were either a commander, a cerebrate, or a protoss commander (whatever that title was). In SC2 it seems kinda odd. You're sorta Jim Raynor but mostly not. There isn't any of that first person nonsense in SC2. You're not anyone. Just the player. The reader. The audience member. Nothing more. You only merely follow the plot from Jim's perspective. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On August 09 2010 07:05 Dezzimal wrote: Picking Ghosts is almost detrimental to the storyline since Tosh leaves you and winds up dead to boot. I wonder how blizzard is going to work that one out, will Tosh still be around in your campaign if you let him live, or is he going to die anyway off screen somewhere. Blizzard explicitly said those side missions have 0 to do with canon. It will never be referenced. Think of side missions as really bad fan fiction. | ||
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darastrix
United States22 Posts
On August 09 2010 07:17 Ownos wrote: There isn't any of that first person nonsense in SC2. You're not anyone. Just the player. The reader. The audience member. Nothing more. You only merely follow the plot from Jim's perspective. what do you mean "nonesense" just because it wouldn't make as much sense to use a similar plot device in SC2 as SC1 doesn't mean that it was "nonesense" I think it was very effective in SC1. | ||
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Aeroz135
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darastrix
United States22 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On August 09 2010 09:33 darastrix wrote: what do you mean "nonesense" just because it wouldn't make as much sense to use a similar plot device in SC2 as SC1 doesn't mean that it was "nonesense" I think it was very effective in SC1. It means I don't like it. I'm not interested in RPing as some terran commander. Or listening to one sided conversations. | ||
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Kuzmorgo
Hungary1058 Posts
Or a new Overmind could form, as it did in the original story iirc. Or the hybrids could stand up and lead the swarm? | ||
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Zerksys
United States569 Posts
unsure at best if mengsk was involved in with the hybrids in the secret mission | ||
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Thoreezhea1
United States532 Posts
SPOILER the xelnaga dark voice. | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On August 04 2010 14:40 tgdm wrote: Tychus is in full god damn armor with his helmet open. Where do you think he was shot? His foot? If Raynor had found a way to turn off the kill switch in Tychus' armor, that's something else. I could understand it not being included in the plot of WOL as far as the player experiences it, and it would justify the little act they put on prior to the gunshot. . . But Raynor blocks Tychus' shot with his own suit. The chance of putting on a show for Mengsk is unlikely. Their little brawl on the ship is explained by Tosh. Tychus is just building himself up to do something he didn't want to do. Kerrigan's humanity definitely isn't full restored, I think we can all agree on that. But uhhh Samir is black and Emil is white so I don't think I see where you're going with that last bit. As far as I know, Samir is in fact responsible for creating the hybrids and planting them all over the place to give them time to 'awaken,' whatever that was supposed to mean. We saw the hybrids controlling protoss and zerg units in addition to having a few of their own special flavor. The protoss that followed the Hybrids seemed to worship them as new gods, though, so maybe this suggests the hybrids are more adept at controlling zerg but retaining the intelligence of the protoss. Narud's research is interesting and some of his audio clips when you're preventing Kerrigan from finding the research is interesting. What I kept thinking about on that mission was "Wait, Kerrigan is running research and has labs set up?" I know that she was mostly just looking for the rest of the artifact, but her purpose in doing so isn't too clear. Why are all these protoss-protected relics separated in the first place? If their universal enemy is the zerg, why not just keep those bad boys up and running? I'm really expecting to see either a joined effort by Raynor and his crew to help Kerrigan control the zerg to stop attacking occupied planets and maybe moving them to their own part of the universe -OR- a hybrid crew leading the zerg. Duran is millenias old and can probably change his form at will man, hes Xel Naga | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On August 09 2010 07:05 Dezzimal wrote: Picking Ghosts is almost detrimental to the storyline since Tosh leaves you and winds up dead to boot. I wonder how blizzard is going to work that one out, will Tosh still be around in your campaign if you let him live, or is he going to die anyway off screen somewhere. Apparently canon is that you sided with Tosh, and you sided with Ariel which is lame because Raynor would never betray the main protoss. | ||
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PGHammer
United States132 Posts
On August 08 2010 13:04 Darpa wrote: Plus even after the artificat thing, she still had tenticle hair. That shit aint human. Thats the biggest indicator. Tentacle hair? Or dreadlocks (which Tosh also wears)? You don't have to be a Rastafarian to wear that hairstyle (you don't even have to be of color; I've seen a few non-African/non-Carib folks with that style); proves exactly nothing. | ||
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alsowikk
109 Posts
Why does everyone assume that Kerrigan is the one who will stop the hybrids? She isn't the strongest Zerg by any means. In fact there is one zerg who had to be killed because she couldn't retain free will when he existed...the overmind. Now I know everyone is going WTFBBQ alsowikk that is so stupid! But hear me out on this. The overmind's "corpse" was pulsating when Zeratul visitted it, besides the zerg guarding it when it has no value to them dead. And since Tassadar never used dark energy on it he couldn't really kill the overmind. This is all on top of the fact that the mission briefing for "In utter darknes" is given...by the overmind! I know this sounds wierd but why would these things be happenning if the overmind was a rotting corpse? Why would it understand it's people are being enslaved if it is a dead pile? This makes me believe that heart of the swarm is about kerrigan reviving the overmind. She has to become more powerfull to fight the hybrids that attempt to take over the swarm and enslave the overmind once again. The Overmind made Kerrigan as a way to find a loophole in his instructions, but since the overmind has revived twice why can't he be brought back and kerrigan is the bodyguard? This would give kerrrigan an interesting role in the story has she will be taking a frontline position most likely as the "field general" of the swarm, and the overmind will provide new species of zerg and upgrades. Far fetched but, you never know | ||
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Neverhood9
United States3 Posts
The Zerg around the Overmind weren't guarding it according to the in mission speech. They were feeding off of it's corpse. The overmind was communicating to the "player" because it was the Overmind's memories (via Zeratul's memories....now we're getting into TARDIS territory ha!). | ||
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Lysis
United States147 Posts
On August 08 2010 12:07 darastrix wrote: you were not Artanis in Starcraft. There is no evidence that Artanis was ever an Executor. He is appointed praetor following the death of the Overmind, and it doesn't say what he did before that. Furthermore in SC:BW his line "I am not worthy even to speak his name" (referring to Tassadar) is not characteristic of someone who helped him out of a good number of tight spots. It would make more sense if they were never acquainted. Also, Selendis can't be the second Protoss Executor. If you beat Selendis in SC2, she says "you are as cunning as the stories say" which wouldn't make sense if they had already worked together to ensure the Protoss evacuation. Also, in both SC and SC:BW Fenix's manner imo is generally indicative of you being old friends, making me think that you are the same Executor in both games, especially considering that you are never greeted as a new executor and it seems like for all the world like the Protoss only ever have one executor at a time. This last would definitely explain why there is a distinct need to replace Tassadar before the start of the first Protoss campaign. False. Blizzard retconned Episode 3 of SC1 so that the Executor is Artanis. It was on the official website under "The Story So Far" before Beta/Retail came out. As for the executor in Episode 4, yeah I agree, it's probably not Selendis, but I can't think of anyone else who it would be. I also think Blizzard confirmed that Heart of the Swarm was an RPG-style campaign with Kerrigan as the main character focused on increasing her power (and it would make sense as a backstory campaign, I mean how else did she get all of those wicked abilities in SC2?) | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
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alsowikk
109 Posts
On August 11 2010 02:40 Neverhood9 wrote: alsowikk, The Zerg around the Overmind weren't guarding it according to the in mission speech. They were feeding off of it's corpse. The overmind was communicating to the "player" because it was the Overmind's memories (via Zeratul's memories....now we're getting into TARDIS territory ha!). The whole feeding thing throws me off. I realize Zeratul said they were feeding off of him, but why would they even be there? Zeratul could mistake the sitaution since he isn't a zerg and Kerrigan wouldn't have zerg just wandering around and the hybrids wanted the Zerg as slaves for their war on...everyone. The Overmind has been dead since brood war I belive(earlier?). That means that the overmind wouldn't know the fate of the zerg besides the whole why is the overmind's memory in the crystal that Zeratul used? To me this means that their is something going on with the overmind(and...I really want to have him back ) | ||
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
Not to bright is poor Tassadar.. A plan long thought out Finally Come together. Zeratu found out that Tassadar survived as a being of Pure PSI God Like Energy Being! Sort of like a Super Archon! Funny Don't you need two people for that? ?? And what a Shock Tassadar has all of the OverMinds Secrets Almost like he's got his Memory and Essence! Zeratu asks how did he survive and Tassadar said don't worry about that let's discuss The NOBEL Great Kind Heroic OverMind. AH-HA. I love to be able to sell Zeratu some Ocean side housing in Nebraska Or maybe a few toothbrushes and some mouthwash and a hairbrush.. OverMind's Alive and well and Free. Kerrigan was only partly deinfested her hair the same.Humans do not have Spiked bugs legs for hair. LOL If you saw the Overmind Vision you can see that the Zerg get all eaten absorbed in the end after they kill the Protoss. The Artifact Absorbed Protoss and Zerg Energy Killing them. They only Guessed that it would turn her back. If You save Haven till the end mission The Doctor she tells you the got no Idea Really What it would do to Kerrigan. But Kerrigan survived with some Zerg form intact so My guess is that Because of her human Psi power she lived. It was also stated in the campaign that Zerg Cells do a survival of the fittest to grow more powerful instead of age.Her DNA is altered Zerg and sucking power out dose not make her have Human DNA! It would just make her Revert to a weakened State or kill her.As there is no Remapping of her old DNA it's gone All she has left is Her Zerg DNA. There pulling a Artos Litch King were in WC3 he loses all his power and has to get it back. Kerrigan might be good now, hard to tell but her human form temporary as Blizzard already said she will increase her Personal Power and psi powers and there by increase the size of her army threw Mutation. Heart of the swarm Has been also called at the convention The Return of Kerrigan and Kerrigan's Return . Now lets Put that together shall we? The Return of Kerrigan TO THE Heart of the Swarm It also not Kerrigan that saves the Universe it's the Queen of Blades that the OverMind Created out of Kerrigan . So no she not being Uninfected she just had all the power sucked out of her. It was revealed that Kerrigan transformation was messed up that she was not supposed to go evil. But it was revealed by the Doctor that the Specters were not Crazy but some time some human when they get there Psi powers boosted to high can go crazy and that there was just as much risk in creating a Ghost. The Queen of Blades had had to much PSI power handed to her to fast with out being prepared and just Like a Spector went In to shock and went CRAZY! Now she still has a Zerg DNA just a more human form as the Zerg Energy got sucked out. It did Not Restore her Pure human DNA ( that is gone and Altered) It was never made to do that just hopeful thinking. It's a Harvester. It just killed most of her Zerg cells and force her into a More Human form when it sucked her dry. In the Overmind Vision that's what happens to all the Zerg in the End,The Hybrids Cannibalize there Energy and Kill them all. The OverMind Knew this and it Created The Queen Blades to Stop it. Could be that She partly immuned to the Artifact as the effect looks the same and she was created to stop the Hybrids and Fallen from doing just that and free the Zerg. Save Mission Haven to the Very End and keep talking to the Doctor Henson . You see that no one got clue what the Artifact dose other than it eats Zerg and Protoss. It was not created to restore a Human just Harvest Energy of Zerg And Protoss. So She Looks more Human and might be sane but she still a Zerg with Zerg DNA. Just got her Energy Zerg Life Force Drained. The campaign is focused on Kerrigan[8] and the development of a zerg empire.[9] The campaign operates similarly to an RPG, in which Kerrigan is focused on increasing her personal power through mutations. Zerg armies protect her as she garners this power. http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_II:_Heart_of_the_Swarm her personal power through mutations..... That sounds Infested to me dudes. LOL Some how can not see Blizzard getting rid of the most famous and sexy xenomorph to just make a Human Ghost with a Bad Hair do. To use Sylvanas analogy it would be like if Sylvanas became a Living Elf. That would be to much of a FINAL End. If see what I Mean. I would not be to surprised if Blizzards Got a MMORPG Planned for Starcraft 3 (and with these sale they are Stupid Not to at least start a Back story for it.) and to do that the Zerg got to become None Zombies, Evolve Minds(For the P.C. Class). So if they plan to do that the got to start the plot set up now.(three Games before.) Zerg are Popular But would make a useless PC Class as your Quest are limited to eating People and drooling. So they Need Minds. My guessing is (and it's only a guessing) The Queen Of Blades is supposed to Free the Zerg from there Mindless Slave state to the Hybrids Master. Guessing that some were in HOTS they will begin the Swarm redemption like they Did with the Orcs in WOW. That She will make the already Infected/Infested Humans a Breed Like her self and or make all Zerg sentient. To give them the ability to feel or perceive and be individuals. I mean if she going the be this Great Hope Saviour Hero she can not Very well Leave all these Humans Mindless Ugly Monsters.But why she might not be able to cure them she should be able to Evolve them in to a more Expectable physical and mental state Like her self. So the Swarm will be able to be a Expectable P.C. Race. Getting the Wow horde treatment. If Blizzard decides not to go in the MMORPG direction it would still give a lot more story Options if they created more Zerg like Kerrigan. And the News casters Joked about a Human Terran Alliance(Could be WOW Alliance Hint Pun?) Alliance Horde Colony Terrans Dominion Terrans or UED Kerrigan Zerg Hybrid Zerg Protoss Religious Protoss Would not be surprised that the OverMind little self improvement Project was Not Done I mean If he and Tassadar transformation as becoming a "twilight messiah" then there this pure Zerg/Protoss Energy Matrix but it looks like it's unstable or for some other reason Bound to the OverMind's Brain Dread Shell. And Kerrigan the Perfect creation of the OverMind has all her energy Sucked out. Sounds Like OverMind Plan is for OverMind Tassadar And Kerrigan Have the Ultimate Threesome ! Dark Voice Would Face A Power that could destroy him. Kerrigan With the Power or the dark and light Protoss and All the energy of the OverMind! The Ultimate Creature! Ultimate Power! Heck this all Guessing. But if she's truly Human Blizzard would be damaging one of the Original Ingredients of the Original Game and I am just not seeing that. Bottom Line Kerrigan the queen of Blades is a cash Cow and Kerrigan the human Ghost is not,They got a Nova Already. And Blizzard is not a stupid greedy corporation, No there Smart greedy corporation and the Cash Cow will not Die or become Human but Evolve in to a Hero even if Justice demands she die and Jim Eugene Raynor gets the Girl. Sorry Jim She's a Zerg. But on the bright side shes still Hot! P.S. Lot People complain about Blizzard reusing Plot threads and storys but look at there point of view why mess with what works and pays the rent? P.P.S Yes I Talk to much and becouse of crappy Eye sight I Type Terrible ,To Fing Bad! LOL! | ||
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Bair
United States698 Posts
The overmind did not magically regrow in BW. After tassadar destroyed it in SC, the remaining cerebrates (except for you!) Merged together to form another, which was the cocoon that zeratul killed. Later on. And Kerrigan was not that strong of a psionic when she was taken. She has undoubtedly gotten stronger with her inhibitors removed and he time using them, but Nova was nothing short of a god of psionic power (she can MC people with her inhibitors still in). | ||
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
She had special inhibitors that most Ghosts never get becouse she killed her Ghost instructors by accident. And what amount to a lobotomy,The Zerg and OverMind Fixed all that. It's in on books. If Nova was more powerful she would been snagged by OverMind instead.It scanned for the most powerful there was. The Joke was it was not the PSI Emitters that summoned the Zerg.They might of done it by them selfs. But They Would showed up anyway. They wear Targeting Kerrigan from the beginning. Not just any Ghost But Her. Hence the reason if Kerrigan dies they can not just throw Nova in a Zerg Cyclists and make Queen Blades 2.0. It was stated Kerrigan is unique and Nova was more powerful as a ghost only becouse she did not have Brain Surgery that cut away piece of her brain and Very special psionic inhibitors. That would left a Normal Ghost without any powers at all and brain dead. Nova is powerful but no wear near Kerrigan power level. As a Ghosts Nova could kick Kerrigan Butt. No Problem. But Kerrigan was a PSI God that had it's wings WAY clipped Back as a child and never allowed to use her full power. As a young child Sarah Kerrigan's latent powers were demonstrated during an incident on TarKossia where she accidentally killed her mother (causing her head to "come apart") and damaged the brain of her father, Patrick. Nova Did not even know she had power till she was 15! Nova Like all Normal Ghost had a memory wipe of her old life. Kerrigan Never did why not a standard memory wipe? It was explain when they said Kerrigan was immuned to all standard forms of conditioning. Only neuro-adjuster worked on her that did a Physical Adjustment to her brain. Memory wipes work on Nova they just piss off Kerrigan. Think Reed Richards Son Franklin In Fantastic Four. Think of this Analogy Nova Had her Psi Nails clipped.Memory wipe. Kerrigan had her Psi Fingers cut off. neuro-adjuster Then after her instructors Died when she was a child they took Her Psi Arms off. Better safe than sorry! But OverMind Fixed all that. | ||
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BuzzJuice
United States97 Posts
Also, a lot of people forget that Infested Kerrigan did a lot of experimentation with infestation, particularly in trying to get the infestation process to retain Terran ingenuity. I think the lore stated that Kerrigan had a few infested Terrans as her Lieutenants/Generals around, so it is possible that you get to deal with these guys and with Queens etc. Keep in mind that the Hybrids themselves could take control of the Zerg Swarm and you might play them as well. Loads of possibilities. | ||
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
And people who claim "Kerrigan most definatly isn't fully human" - You are just retelling what other people say aren't you ? You have no actuall evidence of such, and should therefor say you are speculating it, not that its hard facts. | ||
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
A lot people would of missed the Content if the did Have first to get the the Viking Unit. So yep I am Speculating but also stating Solid Hard facts. So let me separate the two. The Alien device was to HARVEST Protoss energy. To suck his Battery dry and kill him.That all. It did not have a human DNA in it to put BACK in to Kerrigan.Nor likely would as human DNA did no exist when it was Built. As her's was REBUILT so her cells now kill weaker cells in a survival of the fittest instead of aging or getting cancer Zerg Mutate. Those Genes are Gone. Not cover up Deleted. And that is what really makes a Zerg a Zerg. But what else the Alien device might do was a Guess or a Lie.Those Solid Hard facts. The Dominion did know that the Device Might Kill her and would certainly Weaken her.That's why Daddy sent his son a inside guy "Tychus" to kill her off. This was all about Killing Kerrigan. That not Speculating what happened and Yes I agree "Tychus" got his head blown off.Hard facts. Kerrigan DOSE not save, creation she is not the Redeemer of the Zerg she Nothing But a Human that had the greatest PSI power of any human the the OverMind could find that appeared abnormaly resistant to CONTROL. FACT SOLID FACT. But the Over Mind Created a Chance becouse he saw the future (it was one of his powers) for all life to survive out of that human that Kerrigan used to be, And created The ZERG QUEEN OF BLADES a chance. And only The ZERG QUEEN OF BLADES can save all life.Stated in the game. Fact Solid Fact. But it went wrong as she was more Charles Mason and not so much Jesus.Speculation She Increased her own power beyond what OverMind Originaly gave her by undoing the neuro-adjuster in SC 1 it's a mission wear she Raids a Science lab. She get's Psi storm right after. That a Fact. It was Revealed that any increase in Psi power has a small chances of making you go nuts. Fact revealed if you choose Tosh and talk to the Doctor (and still got the Doctor) Ghosts are just as prone as Spectors and Nova Lied her azz off. Not speculation,Hard Fact. She was depowered by the device Just like it was thought to work and Changed into a Reverted Human form but she still a Zerg. You can not be JUST A Little bit Zerg any more than you can be JUST A Little bit Dead or Just a Little bit Pregnant or Just a Little bit HIV Positive. Fact not speculating. Kerrigan 's DNA like all Zerg DNA lacks telomeres the anti mutation anti cancer The Aging Genes so if she was made human she die in a day and half cover in tumors. Fact it was revealed in a loading screan in Starcraft 1 that she did not have them so was not aging. Hard Fact Kerrigan cells work like a Infection that competes. Cell A slits into Cell B and C. A tries to Kill B and C and they trie to Kill A and each other the strongest Cell get's to live. Evolution survival of the fittest and endless Mutation. Fact Revealed in the Books and Starcraft 2 research project.In hans thats Cancer, in Zerg it's waking up with acid blast ans scales instead of wrinkles and graying hair. Hard facts. On more thing Kerrigan Can not have a Happy ending as a Human with Jim ,Not going to Happen. Why? She Looks like the Leader of Zerg that is the most Hunted Hated Being in the Universe. She Killed the Dark Protoss Leader, She Murdered the Religious Conclave Leader,She Hunted by evry human for Killing 8 billion People on just 1 planet and she did that to Dozens of planets and she even tasted and licked the human blood of her victims off her hands. And is hunted by the Dominion Emperor and the UED.And the Voice of the Void Want's her dead, A GOD! Were would she go? Retire and raise Cattle with Jimmy? It would be the first time all the Empires could agree on something. They blow the planet up she was standing on. There no going home for the Queen of Blades. Hard Fact. Last but not least Kerrigan's Hair is not Human nor are her eyes. There ZERG. So here I am Speculating but Only in the Loosest sence. If it walk like a Duck, Quack like a Duck and Looks Like A Duck It's probably a Duck! And she certainly Looks Like a Zerg to me! PS Your sick of people wondering if Tychus is alive. Well he might be it is SCI-FI. But can you Guess what I am sick of ? She got Tentacles for Hair!!! How could any one think that was Human???? News Flash Mengsk and his son Lied and played on Raynor's hopes. In the Original Time Line Raynor would Never of Killed a uninfected Woman Never mind Kerrigan. But He did he looked down saw a Semi human Zerg weakened But still Zerg and let Tychus Kill her. We know that's what happened.WAS MEANT TO HAPPEN! But now theres hope for all Creation. This Time Raynor with her life in his hands Knowing she was Creations only hope of survival and saved her. And chose Hope over death. That was the whole Point of Zeratul's Warning and sharing his Vision.To change the future. So even Raynor Knew Tentacles for Hair is not Human! Hence the need for Zeratul's Warning ! | ||
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ReCharge
Philippines505 Posts
1. Kerrigan remains control of some of the Zerg. 2. As time passes, she'll eventually deal with Mengsk. 3. In the meantime, since kerrigan isn't full Zerg anymore, the Hybrids (which ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT THE XEL NAGA) will control the rest of the Zerg (9/10 of the Zerg I guess) 4. During this big battles, Raynor and Kerrigan figure out how the Protoss and Zerg will naturally merge, leading them back to Aiur. 5. In their trip in Aiur, they encounter Tassadar/Overmind 'merge' and become the First new generation XelNaga. 6. Blablabla | ||
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
Dark Voice is there new Major bad Guy the THE XEL NAGA imprisoned him for all time For being Evil. Not acting Evil but being as in the PSI the embodiment Of EVIL.Claims he's God. He's older than the THE XEL NAGA and not a THE XEL NAGA.He can jump hosts to different bodies so he might be a Hybrid and might of been in the body of THE XEL NAGA. But for all there Godlike Power THE XEL NAGA Pacifists so the Protoss kick there azz throw off planet and the Zerg infest Merged with them. So realistically the Zerg ARE whats Left of THE XEL NAGA. Dark Voice claimed he arranged all this from his prison. But he might be full of crap. Anyway thats who Duran Serves he claims to be millenniums Old so maybe he's the fallen XEL NAGA. In the end THE XEL NAGA becouse they wear good would not Kill the Embodiment of Evil Dark Voice and instead Imprisoned him. (WOW Kill Satan Maybe they wear Gods) After he said some think Dumd about killing him would make them no different than he is and they buy it! Now here how I think this Ends for him, Kerrigan in the same spot the THE XEL NAGA wear He makes the same Argument that there No Different between them if she dose this and she Smiles and agrees and says"True enough there is only room for one." And Kills Him with a surprised look on his Face. Kerrigan say's"Evolution Complete!" | ||
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UnderWorld_Dream
Canada219 Posts
On August 13 2010 23:10 dragondeathlord wrote: + Show Spoiler + Sqq Read the link that's evidence. And this is a speculating spoiler thread or did you miss all the other posts. Nor is it speculating to notice the lady hair and eyes are not human. And I point out that if you save haven to last possible mission The Doctor she tells you the Artifact might do anything but all she and they know that it dose is drain Protoss Energy that even do that to Zerg was a Guess.She also tells you the Nova was a Lying about Tosh and and the Specters that Ghost had same chance of going Psychotic becouse of sudden power increase. The a few scenes later Raynor's wondering Why Overminds Plan went south And Kerrigan went DarkSide. A lot people would of missed the Content if the did Have first to get the the Viking Unit. So yep I am Speculating but also stating Solid Hard facts. So let me separate the two. The Alien device was to HARVEST Protoss energy. To suck his Battery dry and kill him.That all. It did not have a human DNA in it to put BACK in to Kerrigan.Nor likely would as human DNA did no exist when it was Built. As her's was REBUILT so her cells now kill weaker cells in a survival of the fittest instead of aging or getting cancer Zerg Mutate. Those Genes are Gone. Not cover up Deleted. And that is what really makes a Zerg a Zerg. But what else the Alien device might do was a Guess or a Lie.Those Solid Hard facts. The Dominion did know that the Device Might Kill her and would certainly Weaken her.That's why Daddy sent his son a inside guy "Tychus" to kill her off. This was all about Killing Kerrigan. That not Speculating what happened and Yes I agree "Tychus" got his head blown off.Hard facts. Kerrigan DOSE not save, creation she is not the Redeemer of the Zerg she Nothing But a Human that had the greatest PSI power of any human the the OverMind could find that appeared abnormaly resistant to CONTROL. FACT SOLID FACT. But the Over Mind Created a Chance becouse he saw the future (it was one of his powers) for all life to survive out of that human that Kerrigan used to be, And created The ZERG QUEEN OF BLADES a chance. And only The ZERG QUEEN OF BLADES can save all life.Stated in the game. Fact Solid Fact. But it went wrong as she was more Charles Mason and not so much Jesus.Speculation She Increased her own power beyond what OverMind Originaly gave her by undoing the neuro-adjuster in SC 1 it's a mission wear she Raids a Science lab. She get's Psi storm right after. That a Fact. It was Revealed that any increase in Psi power has a small chances of making you go nuts. Fact revealed if you choose Tosh and talk to the Doctor (and still got the Doctor) Ghosts are just as prone as Spectors and Nova Lied her azz off. Not speculation,Hard Fact. She was depowered by the device Just like it was thought to work and Changed into a Reverted Human form but she still a Zerg. You can not be JUST A Little bit Zerg any more than you can be JUST A Little bit Dead or Just a Little bit Pregnant or Just a Little bit HIV Positive. Fact not speculating. Kerrigan 's DNA like all Zerg DNA lacks telomeres the anti mutation anti cancer The Aging Genes so if she was made human she die in a day and half cover in tumors. Fact it was revealed in a loading screan in Starcraft 1 that she did not have them so was not aging. Hard Fact Kerrigan cells work like a Infection that competes. Cell A slits into Cell B and C. A tries to Kill B and C and they trie to Kill A and each other the strongest Cell get's to live. Evolution survival of the fittest and endless Mutation. Fact Revealed in the Books and Starcraft 2 research project.In hans thats Cancer, in Zerg it's waking up with acid blast ans scales instead of wrinkles and graying hair. Hard facts. On more thing Kerrigan Can not have a Happy ending as a Human with Jim ,Not going to Happen. Why? She Looks like the Leader of Zerg that is the most Hunted Hated Being in the Universe. She Killed the Dark Protoss Leader, She Murdered the Religious Conclave Leader,She Hunted by evry human for Killing 8 billion People on just 1 planet and she did that to Dozens of planets and she even tasted and licked the human blood of her victims off her hands. And is hunted by the Dominion Emperor and the UED.And the Voice of the Void Want's her dead, A GOD! Were would she go? Retire and raise Cattle with Jimmy? It would be the first time all the Empires could agree on something. They blow the planet up she was standing on. There no going home for the Queen of Blades. Hard Fact. Last but not least Kerrigan's Hair is not Human nor are her eyes. There ZERG. So here I am Speculating but Only in the Loosest sence. If it walk like a Duck, Quack like a Duck and Looks Like A Duck It's probably a Duck! And she certainly Looks Like a Zerg to me! PS Your sick of people wondering if Tychus is alive. Well he might be it is SCI-FI. But can you Guess what I am sick of ? She got Tentacles for Hair!!! How could any one think that was Human???? News Flash Mengsk and his son Lied and played on Raynor's hopes. In the Original Time Line Raynor would Never of Killed a uninfected Woman Never mind Kerrigan. But He did he looked down saw a Semi human Zerg weakened But still Zerg and let Tychus Kill her. We know that's what happened.WAS MEANT TO HAPPEN! But now theres hope for all Creation. This Time Raynor with her life in his hands Knowing she was Creations only hope of survival and saved her. And chose Hope over death. That was the whole Point of Zeratul's Warning and sharing his Vision.To change the future. So even Raynor Knew Tentacles for Hair is not Human! Hence the need for Zeratul's Warning ! This makes a lot a sense. Why would Zeratul think that Raynor could have killed Kerrigan in human form. He would never do that, thus the Overmind had to know she still remained the Queen of Blades after the transformation. But this whole future foretelling by the overmind is getting confusing. If Raynor believed so much in Zeratul's advices. Then he knew he would eventually hold a very vulnerable Queen of Blades in his hands, making this whole assault of Char a joke. He knew he would win even before landing on Char right? But in the first time-line, the one the Overmind foresaw, the end of all things, Raynor is the one who killed Kerrigan? It must be it. From my understanding this is where the time-line splits -from the point where he did not kill the Queen of Blades. If this is the case, why would Zeratul not just kill Raynor right off the bat? (I know they are friends, but it's the fate of the universe we're talking about here. If a slash into Raynor's throat could have saved the universe, Zeratul would have done it, no doubt about it.) Thus, the Overmind has to know that the current evil, crazy, possessed (whatever) Kerrigan that leads the swarm will NOT save the universe if she does not regain her free-will. She must be 'liberated' by the artifact -and by the terrans- or Zeratul could just have killed Raynor, problem solved. I'm not quite sure i'm correct in my understandings of the time-lines involved here. But there is definitly more than meets the eye in this 'happy ending'. | ||
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CowFu
United States35 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:51 agleed.agleed wrote: kerrigan wasn't turned into human again, why would a zerg artefact do that? she was merely "purified", meaning that all the bad things (zerg infestation controlling her way of thinking) was cleansed while all the good parts stayed (psionic abilities among others, the hair obv.) I could definitely see the artifact turning someone back into what race they were originally. The better question would be why would an artifact that eradicated all zerg in the area not also kill ALL of the zerg in her? Do you really believe the artifact chooses what parts of the zerg are "good" or "bad"? The hair seems like it was just the dead-leftovers after the purification. | ||
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Shaithis
United States383 Posts
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
There was No Human DNA left in Kerrigan to turn back into. And her eyes are not dead tissue. She still got Zeg cells alive in her. So she Zerg.Plus as they said the Zerg DNA Destroys the old and improves on it self with it.All her cells wear infected. I think she's like a germ that if survives the antibiotic becomes immuned to it. And that would mean she be immuned to hybrids life sucking Maybe.Maybe the OverMind needed this to happen. Besides she was the only Zerg that had a back up power source the only Zerg Psi. Your right it could not pick good Zerg cells from Bad all it dose is drain Zerg Psi energy. But she has only Zerg Cell no Human DNA Left. Thats been Said since the first Game and in the Books And in this latest Game. All the Cell are changed to to Zerg and then they eat all the weak cells and replace with even stronger cells. She lived becouse ether OverMind Gave her a base resistance to the Psi Life Drain that both the device and hybrids have or more likely she had enough Terran Psi Energy to keep her self Barely alive after all that power soaked out. Because else the Battle field should been littered with with former Zerg infested marines transformed into now cured humans and the Zerg would be a joke. Infested Wold no problem fly the device in by the numbers people every one's now cured on planet and all the Zerg are dead! There will have to be a down side to the device like it being temporary and making the survivors stronger Breed over time. Like antibacterial soap on disease. But even so if could not work as cure for anyone or they keep using it and it be the end of the Zerg. As to Valerian approached Raynor with the possibility of turning Kerrigan human and NOT killing her it's becouse he did not want to get shot in the head.If Raynor Believes he can cure her he agree to work with the devil his words. Why would Zeratul not just kill Raynor was becouse other people would still Killed her someone needed to be there to drag off her semihuman form off the battle field and save her or Tychus or some one else would just shot her instead. The Dominion would still got the device and it still would depowered her. The only Difference Was Jim would save her given Enough an excuse saving creation counts. As for Kerrigan being next generation of Xel-naga. Well that fits the Zerg have Xel-naga DNA in them as did OverMind have there DNA and Minds.As he absorbed them. (READ the manual of the first Game) Could Be thats why she scares the Voice of the Void into wetting him self. She could easily been given a huge Xel-naga DNA percentage. I mean how else did OverMind boost her Psi Power? It's how He was Made maybe it was his version of Royal Jelly like in bees. In some Stylized Cave Etchings they show the Xel-naga with wings like things growing out there backs. What if those are not wings? But Bone Blades? Blizzard always kept what the Xel-naga looked like a secret this might be the reason. What creature Did OverMind Blend with the human Kerrigan with to create the Zerg Psi Queen of Blades his Voice of the Void killer. But the creature he knew came closest and had accesses to there DNA. That how a new stains made the OverMind Combined the DNA of several creature in to a host with the Zerg Virus and you get a mix of the strongest traits in one DNA after the cells duke it out and the survivors eat the loses. Kerrigan all this time a Xel-naga/Terran Zerg Hybrid! Zeratul would have a stroke. And if Kerrigan part Xel-naga it would Explain Why the Xel-naga device would not Kill her a part Xel-naga.The OverMind was Part Xel-naga (that why it was immortal except dark Templar energy) that it would include that in the next leader it's gr5eatest creation!It made it's own maker. Makes sense. Nice call Shaithis! Imagine Kerrigan saying " Hey, Zeratul feel like building a temple to me?" or "Protoss! Who's Momma Now! LOL" Could also explain why the oldest and most powerful of Protoss the Matriarch was so easily controlled be Kerrigan. She took one look and let her self be controlled this IS HER GOD! That never made sense to me before. I mean Zeratul can stand toe to toe with Kerrigan but Matriarch should of been able to beat Zeratul reading a book.So why so intimidated by Kerrigan and not able resist her mind control if it was mind control and not just plain devotion.She the oldest and wisest Protoss. She took one look and KNEW what Kerrigan was. How else could she react? In the game she Did not act mind controlled she acted Humble like" I am not worthy to look upon you. She might of been immuned to Kerrigan mind control. But she might been like a Catholic Nun reacting to the presence of The Virgin Mary. To in shock to resist. Or even want to. Maybe Matriarch not even dead and it was illusion. Time will tell. | ||
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UnderWorld_Dream
Canada219 Posts
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noobymcnooberson
3 Posts
and then she becomes human... right i dont see why zeratul wouldnt attempt this in bw for the period where kerrigan sides with the protoss (only explanation i could think of is that kerrigan would lose her powers and power over other zerg underlings if they did this which would not explain how shes gonna play a part in heart of the swarm) but lets ignore that. first off how much of a aweful frigid piece of garbage leader is jim raynar that he choses to shoot and kill his best friend who did time for him when he was trying to save his own life by killing the mother of all evil who jimmy once had a crush on. seriously he shot his best friend for a crush who was responsible for the killing of billions who he had never even as tychus said shacked up with how frigid does the man have to be! jesus tap dancing christ!! who wrote the story for this campaign. il end on a positive note by saying that i loved characters like Tosh and Arthur Mengsks son they were great additions to the sc story and that i hope for heart of the swarm we get a new cerebrate otherwise if they say kerrigan got half turned back and can still lead the zerg and have them fight side by side with jims rebels my head will straight up explode. what i would absolutely LOVE is if zeratuls vision of the future that the over mind had was false and it was just a part in kerrigans sinister plan to trick him and she is actually the one that plans to wipe out the universe. cause hey why did she want the artifacts that jim wanted? weve been told it roasts zerg and turns their leader back to human all things im sure they would NOT want lol | ||
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
The guy who wrote it was a Fanboy Turd eater. But She not human if she was it would cost them money and no matter how many nitwits want a happy ending there Will be no Ending. And becoming Human would be just that a ending. Not so long as it makes Money and Kerrigan to hot a Zerg to stay human. But the not going to let her be evil anymore Witch sucks.But her eyes are not human nor is her hair. and you can not be half Zerg. The Research on ship made it clear. Zerg cells are regenerate and all of Kerrigan cells are Zerg. She might be a recreated Xel-naga human mix. But if so she a Zerg Xel-naga human mix. Infested Kerrigan was created to save the Universe and She needs to be Infested Kerrigan to do that. But one more time here the quote. The campaign is focused on Kerrigan[8] and the development of a zerg empire.[9] The campaign operates similarly to an RPG, in which Kerrigan is focused on increasing her personal power through mutations. Zerg armies protect her as she garners this power.[10] The greater her power, the more zerg she's able to control.[11] Like Wings of Liberty, the player will be presented with choices as to which missions to carry out and which units to get, but such choices won't be based on cash.[12] Both the missions and their objectives are intended to be quite different from the ones featured in Wings of Liberty.[13] Talk about a waist.The 2nd Best all time Award winning Villain turned good. Yep the guy who wrote it was a Fanboy Turd eater. But both you and I and many others are only shelling out 120.00 for the next two episodes if there a story. And there no story worth 120.00 dollars if she not a Zerg. It already been stated that HOTS Will be about Kerrigan Getting her Mutations Back.Hell they show her on the Box in Full Zerg Blade Winged Mode. They showed Concept Art at the Convention with her with Blue (Protoss Colored Skin). I think they will let us Decide What Mutations she gets and how she ends up looking in the Zerg episode. But what be really cool is if the first thing she dose is fried Jim and his Raider's Brains with a Psi Storm.Turned them in to Zerg and take over the ship. Not going to happen. She's going to be good now and only lick the Bad Guy Blood of her fingers and Eat Bad People. Oh well Looking forward to Mutation Dress up Doll Game AKA HOTS. As for fighting along side Jim on side of good? Please I just ate. Worse it's probably true. Well at least Jim will still let Her Eat her human enemy if it's Mengsks. | ||
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noobymcnooberson
3 Posts
chosing the direction which she mutates towards? if this choice means making her more good or more evil i could live with that, because that way id just have her take the evil route problemo solved. they havent said yet weather your choices have a long term affect eg will you see tosh around if you chose to side with him in liberty. I could live with her being a super harsh anti hero eg she spends 0 social time with the rebels/jimmy or the protoss. if they need her help and no one is around to say he you betrayed us shel just let them die for funzies, R18 rated gore against other enemies just for funzies and so on. basicly shes a bad guy still but shes too bussy fighting the other bad guy to wanna kill the good guys. NOW THAT! i wouldnt mind and would find acceptable lol | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
I like your theory that the increase in Psionic Power made Kerrigan insane, but I think it's because Zergs were created with the "destroy everything" directive. When Kerrigan was cleansed of her Zerg DNA she was redeemed from wanting to destroy all. | ||
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Omnis
Denmark1 Post
They themself stated that Heart of the Swarm would be about Kerrigans rise to power and how she obtained artifacts (or simmilar) to boost her powers with the game having an RPG like feel to it. A statement that fits like a glove with the ending of WoL. Of course a lot has changed since then but I would be very surpriced if they changed that part especially when looking at Kerrigans state at the end. Unfortuanately I can't provide a source link since it's from the very beginning of their announcements and I honestly have no idea where to look for it now (also, I'm at work). Feel free to doubt me if you so please, however I hardly believe I'm the only one who remembers this. | ||
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Camila_br
Brazil529 Posts
Arcturus sent Tychus to kill Kerrigan with Raynor. Valerian used Tychus and Raynor to get the artifacts, to use in Char so they could try to kill Kerrigan. Zeratul thinks that, if Tychus or some other person killed Kerrigan, they would perish against the Hybrids. So Zeratul used Raynor to save Kerrigan no matter what. Arcturus is doing hybrid experiments. Speculations: Arcturus is being manipulated by the Dark Voice to do these experiments. Valerian knew about his father's plan, and helped him. OR he didn't knew, and want something from Kerrigan(maybe the dirty secrets about his father, so he can get his place?) Zeratul, Raynor and Kerrigan will fight against Arcturus first, then the Hybrids, then the Dark Voice. What will happen on HotS: Zergs lost their leaders. Kerrigan will try to help Raynor and grow up an army of zergs she can control. Just like in WoL, you will get new units playing the campaign, and Kerrigan will start regaining her power over the zerg. Maybe she will fight Arcturus because what he did to her, and because of the hybrid experiments(Raynor will tell her about this). Maybe in the last missions on LotV, you will stand your ground, just like the last Zeratul Mission, against the Hybrids and the Dark Voice(maybe a little plot twist like Kerrigan betraying everyone - blizzard loves this). | ||
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
Seriously. I like the Zerg Form I think it's hot so.Yes I am sick. And thank the gods every day that I am. But she supposed to increase her personal power threw Mutation and she looked like Normal Queen Blades on the Demo Box SO HOW IN HELL CAN PEOPLE still think she's a human in HOTS? I Played the game and what she turned into was not human. Xel'naga Human Hybrid I buy. But If they say she gaining power threw Mutation then she still got Zerg DNA. Xel'naga did not do that ,they did that just to other people I think, And Human certainly do not do that,Only Zerg Do that. She was changed from a Level 20 to just a Level 1 Zerg if you excuse the D&D Analogy. She has Snake Bug Leg Hair in Hots (they let that slip that she has the Snake hair in all three Titles,Meaning she will be in the Protoss Episode as well. And that not Human. Her Eyes wear not Human after her human Transformation. It also Says Human Form at the end . Not she was turned back into a Human. Not Cured. No they Say Human Form. As in shape. Well the Wolfman might go into a human form but he's no human. Kerrigan was not human at the end not fully and she is planning on mutating in HOTS so how can People (Fanboys) insist she's Cured of being Zerg? I mean if this was a Movie and the guy said he was cured of being a Vampire and His eyes glowed Red and he cast no reflection we would laugh and We would Laugh and say Cured Right,BULL SH$T ! Well Kerrigan has Bug Leg Hair and Zerg Eyes.Well wake up and smell the coffee becouse that was a Not So Gentle HINT! What ever else she is she's not a human. | ||
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:26 Pandain wrote: Now with Kerrigan being humanified and having no Overmind or zerg leader, I've been left wondering whos going to be the main character in heart of the swarm. Unless Blizzard does some dumb thing where they have to show "flashbacks" of Kerrigan becoming a zerg again, I've been forced to conclude that there's going to be a new character in Heart of the Swarm, much like how in Brood War you were a new cerebrate. Obviously a human can't(read: shouldn't) be the one controlling the zerg. If the UED was still around and still enslaving the Overmind, that would've been a possibility but with the current state of the campaign I just don't see who's going to be the Jim Raynor of Heart of the Swarm. Any thoughts? I have said this before, but I believe Tichus will be re-animated into a zerg. | ||
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atrain117
United States54 Posts
because you're too f`ing lazy to do the research. Gentleman, your answers await: fallen one (1) fallen one (2) Xel'naga Hybrids also... On August 15 2010 09:36 dragondeathlord wrote: Kerrigan betraying everyone - blizzard loves this. So do I . Seriously. I like the Zerg Form I think it's hot so.Yes I am sick. And thank the gods every day that I am. But she supposed to increase her personal power threw Mutation and she looked like Normal Queen Blades on the Demo Box SO HOW IN HELL CAN PEOPLE still think she's a human in HOTS? I Played the game and what she turned into was not human. Xel'naga Human Hybrid I buy. But If they say she gaining power threw Mutation then she still got Zerg DNA. Xel'naga did not do that ,they did that just to other people I think, And Human certainly do not do that,Only Zerg Do that. She was changed from a Level 20 to just a Level 1 Zerg if you excuse the D&D Analogy. She has Snake Bug Leg Hair in Hots (they let that slip that she has the Snake hair in all three Titles,Meaning she will be in the Protoss Episode as well. And that not Human. Her Eyes wear not Human after her human Transformation. It also Says Human Form at the end . Not she was turned back into a Human. Not Cured. No they Say Human Form. As in shape. Well the Wolfman might go into a human form but he's no human. Kerrigan was not human at the end not fully and she is planning on mutating in HOTS so how can People (Fanboys) insist she's Cured of being Zerg? I mean if this was a Movie and the guy said he was cured of being a Vampire and His eyes glowed Red and he cast no reflection we would laugh and We would Laugh and say Cured Right,BULL SH$T ! Well Kerrigan has Bug Leg Hair and Zerg Eyes.Well wake up and smell the coffee becouse that was a Not So Gentle HINT! What ever else she is she's not a human. i think you're reading just a little bit too much into this. EDIT: + Show Spoiler + On August 14 2010 00:33 dragondeathlord wrote: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Voice Dark Voice is there new Major bad Guy the THE XEL NAGA imprisoned him for all time For being Evil. Not acting Evil but being as in the PSI the embodiment Of EVIL.Claims he's God. He's older than the THE XEL NAGA and not a THE XEL NAGA.He can jump hosts to different bodies so he might be a Hybrid and might of been in the body of THE XEL NAGA. But for all there Godlike Power THE XEL NAGA Pacifists so the Protoss kick there azz throw off planet and the Zerg infest Merged with them. So realistically the Zerg ARE whats Left of THE XEL NAGA. Dark Voice claimed he arranged all this from his prison. But he might be full of crap. Anyway thats who Duran Serves he claims to be millenniums Old so maybe he's the fallen XEL NAGA. In the end THE XEL NAGA becouse they wear good would not Kill the Embodiment of Evil Dark Voice and instead Imprisoned him. (WOW Kill Satan Maybe they wear Gods) After he said some think Dumd about killing him would make them no different than he is and they buy it! Now here how I think this Ends for him, Kerrigan in the same spot the THE XEL NAGA wear He makes the same Argument that there No Different between them if she dose this and she Smiles and agrees and says"True enough there is only room for one." And Kills Him with a surprised look on his Face. Kerrigan say's"Evolution Complete!" oops. | ||
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Twinweapon
United States90 Posts
The old Judicator Aldaris + Duran's already infested state would make the perfect hybrid for unknown villain to destroy the universe. I don't know why but the dakren image reminded me of Aldaris's starcraft 1 profile that looks very similar on high settings. Also Duran's body could be the form of imprisonment that the Xel Naga forced for the fallen one. Wouldn't be surprised for the story of Findley to be the same for the Fallen Xel Naga. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
Everyone else will be involved - Horner, Raynor, Acturus, Valarian etc. | ||
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WhiteKnight
New Zealand134 Posts
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
Never mind the Protoss. He was Old before the Xel'naga were ever born. Claimed he's really the one true creator God. Xel'naga locked him up before they even created The Protoss and then the Zerg. Dark Voice used to go around being The great Eater of Worlds Destroying Civilizations.(cough cough Galactus Rip off c cou cough). And Dark Voice would not need to steal knowledge to create a dark archon or anything else like Ulrezaj did. Ulrezaj Might of become His Host and possessed,Foolishly thinking he could add him to his Energy mix and still dominate the form. Ulrezaj cocky enough to try it. But even the Xel'naga wear terrified of the Dark Voice. Ulrezaj Old but he not that old. http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Voice And here a quote from http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Ulrezaj Dark Future "Ulrezaj and the being he serves are stronger than you can possibly imagine." - Felanis discusses his motives with Alzadar.(src) "Whoa, whoa—Ulrezaj has a boss?" - Rosemary Dahl's reaction(src) Main article: The Dark Templar Saga As I said sounds like he's a Servant herald of Dark Voice. I wonder if he'll give Ulrezaj and Duran Silver Surf Boards as a Job Well done Thank you? PS And atrain117 Sorry, I do get carried away a bit at times. | ||
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atrain117
United States54 Posts
On August 15 2010 23:04 dragondeathlord wrote: It's a good bet we will see Ulrezaj working for Dark Voice But Dark Voice is far older than the xel'naga Never mind the Protoss. He was Old before the Xel'naga were ever born. Claimed he's really the one true creator God. Xel'naga locked him up before they even created The Protoss and then the Zerg. Dark Voice used to go around being The great Eater of Worlds Destroying Civilizations.(cough cough Galactus Rip off c cou cough). And Dark Voice would not need to steal knowledge to create a dark archon or anything else like Ulrezaj did. Ulrezaj Might of become His Host and possessed,Foolishly thinking he could add him to his Energy mix and still dominate the form. Ulrezaj cocky enough to try it. But even the Xel'naga wear terrified of the Dark Voice. Ulrezaj Old but he not that old. http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Voice And here a quote from http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Ulrezaj As I said sounds like he's a Servant herald of Dark Voice. I wonder if he'll give Ulrezaj and Duran Silver Surf Boards as a Job Well done Thank you? PS And atrain117 Sorry, I do get carried away a bit at times. no problemo. | ||
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
The Location of the Prison of Ultimate Evil sounds like the sort of thing that should be forbidden. | ||
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Subztance
United States139 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
The Overmind is dead, and the cerebrates are dead (where the heck did Kerrigan's pet cerebrate from Brood War go?). If Kerrigan is dead and out of the way, the next most powerful falls in line of succession. In that case, it would be Duran. As Kerrigan's ex-lieutenant, it is known that Duran was capable of commanding Zerg. Small wonders what Duran will be able to gain if Kerrigan is out of the way. Kerrigan will still be the main character in HOTS. In human form, she will embark on a journey to restore her control over the Zerg and regain the powers of the Queen of the Blades. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
On August 16 2010 13:00 dragondeathlord wrote: Here one last thought I had What if Duran is really Ulrezaj? That would account for him being thousands of years old. He is that old. And he could of found out about Dark Voice and his Prison from the forbidden knowledge held at the Wall of Knowledge the Same place he found how to be a super Dark Archon. The Location of the Prison of Ultimate Evil sounds like the sort of thing that should be forbidden. I think its obvious that Ulrezaj, Duran, Narud, and quite possibly others have donned the Dark Voice's persona at different times or simultaneously throughout SC -> BW -> SC2:WoL. Im sure as the plot develops we'll suspect more characters to be responsible for this perversion of the cycle via the Dark Voice.. This entity could be the 'destroyer of civilizations' via this method of developing armies that cancel 'eachother out' - the hybrid and enslaving species that were meant to assimilate to reform the Xel'Naga in this particular cycle the Xel'Naga do. I'm sure this way of "mind-controlling" certain characters throughout the story is the way the Dark Voice gains a foot-hold on unassuming civilizations like the Terran, Protoss, and Zerg. | ||
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
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dragon_rom
United States86 Posts
i think what will happen is you will be kerrigan or a zerg queen(like in WoL your kind of raynor but more in a sense a commander dude thats like raynor's right hand man). the game will open with some huge cinematic between all the main guys talking about what must be done and eventually agree upon kerrigan trying to control the zerg for the upcoming battle. you will then proceed to gain control, gaining new units every mission much like in WoL, and you will basically just build up the zerg army while fighting the dominion with raynor, and learning more of the hybrids. You will then proceed to find more artifacts which will either tell more about this dark voice, and the xel naga, or will give kerrigan more power.(may also bring the lab portion of WoL into the HoTS with kerrigan getting stronger) and you meet up with Zeratul who will begin to join in with you as well, and you find a few protoss willing to join you rather than the hybrids, giving zeratul a small force.(a small ally that might not even participate in any missions which will lead to the next expansion where zeratul gets a protoss force and you fight the invasion of hybrids, ending it with a cliffhanger oh the dark voice not dying, and there comes sc3 in 12 years with his defeat) | ||
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Edso
Canada112 Posts
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
And it's suposed to be the Key to the Dark Voice Return. So now it's got a Zerg Charge Now all it Needs is a Protoss Charge. This Device Is ether not Xel'naga or being used in a way never intended As Xel'naga were useless pacifists. Dark Voice on the other hand was described as eating worlds. Arcturus Mengsk has the Artifact and he was Making Hybrids with Unknown Alien Technology nether Protoss or Xel'naga so now if he's working with Dark Voice (ether directly or though it's Agents) he will charge the Artifact with Protoss Life Force. And the Battery will be full to what end no clue ether it's the Key becouse Daark Voice Needs a Meal after so Long or It will Be used to Empower the Hybrids. The Hybrids are not Xel'naga as Dark Voice is Messing with it. But the Xel'naga Originally intended the two race to Come together peaceful and become a new Xel'naga.As they knew that there race would die out .Some how. Not that Over Mind Would eat them that was a shock. Zerg Have Purity of Essence of Xel'naga and the Protoss Purity of Form.But it's all screwed up now. These guy are not Gentle Xel'naga and they seem kind of well like big stupid brutes. Sort of Anti-Xel'naga. That kind of make sense considering Dark Voice must Hate and fear the Original Xel'naga.This would be his revenge. Jim said the Hybrids wear the Best of both races twisted together. I do not agree I would say they wear the most Negative of both races Twisted together into a Parody of the Xel'naga. So why so scared of Kerrigan? The Over minds Greatest creation? I think she Got the Original Xel'naga Plan in her DNA Purity of essence. I think Dark Voice Needs the Queen of Blades DEAD. She is his Silver Bullet ,His Kryptonite. Kind of like the Dark Protoss energy was to OverMind's cerebrates. Not that Blizzard would ever reuse a story element (did I type that with out laughing? NO.) I think she will become Xel'naga 2.0 in the end a Zerg/Protoss/Human Hybrid. The only Creature in all creation that can Kill Dark Voice. Why the Terran essence when not part of the original recipe? Simple This time OverMind wanted to make Certain Dark Voice DIES! None of this higher better than you mercy crap. And the Experiment Recipe was already Corrupted by Dark Voice. Kerrigan was Unique and PSI energy and DNA was Special. Could be she was some how Mentally PSI been Purity of Form. Remember as a child She was a Pacifist. She refused to do violence even when torched and resisted all control to make her. They had to Nearly kill her and alter her brain to make the near PSI God a Normal Ghost. Till then she refused to kill even a kitten. We know she was Psi Energy that the OverMind to Screw over Dark Voice and we Know it worked. Since Dark Voice Gloated in the Vision that She there only hope was dead. She the Unique power that can defeat Dark Voice what is she ? What did OverMind Real create? What if just what he created what the Xel'Naga originally meant him to create. A Xel'Naga 2.0. Half mad with power and maybe in a Larva stage but a Xel'Naga. If so in the course of HOTS she will Grow in Mutation Powers till she is Full Xel'Naga to face and Destroy Dark Voice. Maybe she will use the device her self and absorb all that essence or maybe Tassadar "twilight messiah" and help her become Xel'Naga and finish off the transform. Here a Scary thought what if she was created to be the first Female Xel'Naga and Tassadar/OverMind the Male and her mate. Maybe that how the Races Merg "naturally" as the original Xel'Naga intended. The Old fashioned way. Now that would Piss off Jim. | ||
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uanime5
19 Posts
As Kerrigan is now human the Hybrids, lead by Duran, are able to replace her as the leader of the Zerg and begin attacking the Terrans and Protoss. Mensk makes a deal with Duran so that the Dominion worlds to be spared in exchange for helping the Hybrids. So while the Zerg are attacking non-Dominion worlds Mensk claims that his strategies are keeping the Dominion safe (this annoys Raynor). During this time Kerrigan begins healing from the injuries the artefact caused her and as she becomes more Zerg she is better able to wrest control of the Zerg from the Hybrids. After building up her forces with Terran and Protoss help she attacks the Hybrids. Though this battle weakens the Zerg the Hybrids triumph and kill Kerrigan. In the next game Zeratul must unite the Protoss against the Hybrids and their weakened Zerg army. As the Zerg army is weaker than in the vision the Protoss now have a chance of beating it. | ||
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
I could see Zeratul saving her azz and saying some think about her sins to the Protoss are not yet payed for and he has more work for her before he can let her die. I think a colony will be about to be eaten by the Hybrids or the Zerg and Jim Raynor Will come to the rescue and It will look like they will all die including a buss load of Kids and there Swarm will chow down them. Some kid will be about to be eaten. And a Ghost will run out and say" I'm sorry Jim it's only way!" a Blade Wing will bust out of her back and impale absorb the Zerg.Kerrigan will transform. And Queen of Blades will summon the swarm to her. Sacrificing Her humanity to save the Kid or some Equally over the top Noble act to redeem the Redeemer of the Zerg so she loses her humanity for some one else so it dose not look like she just doing it so she can get her powers back. She become some Sickly sweet Hero. Just hope they keep the cannibalization. Jim "Sarah DiD You EAT TERRANS! MY Fellow Humans!" Kerrigan " Just the neo Nazi UED and Arcturus Mengsk and his men." Jim" Gees Sorry Darlin, I was scared there for a moment. Michael Those Wear Mengsks Guys she was eating and a side of UED. Not Humans!! Jesus learn to tell the difference! I am looking stupid here!" LOL | ||
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monad
United States156 Posts
Not saying this is how it's going to be, but I think it works better than any of the other ideas I've seen tossed around. It's much more easy to work with than the Zerg trying to get Kerrigan back after she's been rescued by Jim. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
As for the theory with the device, that sounds really, really solid, dragondeathlord. It does have a Zerg-charge to it now, I bet. I do agree that this isn't the end of the Artifact. | ||
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
I think Kerrigan will lead the swarm but I am not buying She is fully human on a genetic Level (not with that Zerg hair and Zerg eyes, possibly a Xel'Naga there got to be some reason that the Dark Voice was scared of what OverMind created). I mean if she was Human she would not be the Queen of Blades lets all be honest. That Was the Best Zerg Unit that there was. In the Original Game you just walk her up and Tanks went Bye Bye. And to use her on a Single Lone Marine....It was so much Over kill it was just pure Fun. | ||
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firedodo
China116 Posts
I love the Queen of Blades throughout SCBW. But if the purged Sarah Kerrigan will lead the swarm, I fear that the Zerg would be much too on the bright side of the force. Man, aren't they fascinating because of their badass darkness? | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
Why else would they have gone thru the whole de-infestation of Kerrigan in the first place? Because the storyline simply would not work if Kerrigan and the Zerg had to face Raynor, Mengsk, the Protoss AND the forces of the hybrids/Fallen One. That would be far too much to handle, and would reduce the "scariness" and "power" of the Hybrids/Fallen One if you were able to fight off all those forces at the same time. Not to mention a "temporary alliance" with the Raynor and Protoss would not be realistic, considered Kerrigan screwed them over on that one in SC1. With that said, I read somewhere (dont have a source, sorry) in a preview that HotS is going to be about Kerrigan rebuilding the Zerg empire as we discover her new motives. On August 23 2010 06:00 firedodo wrote: In the title "Heart of the Swarm", the word "heart" could mean the central, essential part/character of the Zerg race (our protagonist). However, it could also mean that Zerg now has gained some "hearty" aspects like human, e.g. worrying about the prospect of their own race, developing friends and allies and sticking to a plan for a less dark future under the new leader (whoever that may be) instead of mindlessly slaughtering everything in their way. I love the Queen of Blades throughout SCBW. But if the purged Sarah Kerrigan will lead the swarm, I fear that the Zerg would be much too on the bright side of the force. Man, aren't they fascinating because of their badass darkness? Who says the Zerg cant be badass without an infested leader? If anything losing the infestation could potentially give Kerrigan more power, as she is able to think for herself more clearly, and have others working for her (you know at least Raynor will be on her side). You dont need to be evil to be badass, especailly when you are as evolved as she is. Just because she is de-infested does not mean she lost her evolution. You know Zerg are all about evolving anyway. Blizzard even said that everywehre you seen Tech in Wings of Liberty, you will see Evolution in HotS. | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
Bitch be playin' Raynor like a fiddle. Hasn't he ever heard of "bros before ho's"? I may elaborate after reading the rest of the thread. edit: I just don't want the storyline to end up being "the three races were warring, but then they set aside their differences to battle a much larger threat." That's been done already, and I really enjoyed the dark feel of the Zerg as the terror of the universe. | ||
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MisterD
Germany1338 Posts
On August 05 2010 08:56 Hikari wrote: Can still be kerrigan ("Kerrigan, you must retain control of your zerg and prevent the xelnaga from using it to annihilate the world!") - she can have a struggle of power vs some xelnaga lackey. Vs Terran she can always fight vs the dominion (help raynor kill mangsk?) and vs protoss the taldarim/any tribe that dedicate their life in killing zerg... imho raynor will not kill mengsk anymore. He used his reserved mengsk-bullet on tychus and he wanted to kill mengsk because he "killed" kerrigan, but she's kind of alive again now so i don't think he'll kill him anymore. Especially the use of the mengsk-bullet seemed like a pretty clear sign to me, that he ends his hunt for revenge on mengsk. | ||
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kreepo
South Africa8 Posts
But if Kerrigan is infested, she would have Zerg and Terran strains... Now if she were to somehow assimilate some protoss DNA...well now, then we'd have a being with Zerg, Terran AND Protoss DNA opening a can of whoopass. I'd love to see those Stimmed Roachlots armed with gauss rifles and shields unburrowing behind the Dark Voice's garden shed for a spot of tea | ||
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
On August 27 2010 18:44 kreepo wrote: Mmm...just my 2c worth... But if Kerrigan is infested, she would have Zerg and Terran strains... Now if she were to somehow assimilate some protoss DNA...well now, then we'd have a being with Zerg, Terran AND Protoss DNA opening a can of whoopass. I'd love to see those Stimmed Roachlots armed with gauss rifles and shields unburrowing behind the Dark Voice's garden shed for a spot of tea At that point she would be Xelnaga 2.0 as they the Xelnaga 1.0 intended not the things we seen turned out of a Terran Lab but a true Xelnaga 2.0.. Be fun if she dose it as a Archon but who would be the Lucky Protoss to be assimilated. | ||
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Mailig
United States4 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On August 09 2010 07:05 Dezzimal wrote: Picking Ghosts is almost detrimental to the storyline since Tosh leaves you and winds up dead to boot. I wonder how blizzard is going to work that one out, will Tosh still be around in your campaign if you let him live, or is he going to die anyway off screen somewhere. im hoping that blizzard will link it to your WOL account and depending on whichever choice you made in WOL it would influence the game.. its all on bnet 2.0, so it can easily be done.. would be pretty neat other games have done this in the past too, unlocking special items if you upload a save point from an older game. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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dragondeathlord
United States23 Posts
On September 08 2010 02:26 Mailig wrote: Its makes no sense for Kerrigan to rule. Sure she has zerg hair but that isn't really something that would be killed. You probaly see zerg bones everywhere and hair is pretty much bone for the "cleansing part". Organic zerg matter was destroyed. I'm wondering about Duran and the dark voice, but who knows maybe another terran comes along and controls the zerg. Her Dermal Plating Got transformed But the Hair would be left? And How about her eyes? Are they just dead tissue? Are they really something that would be not killed ? Those are Live Zerg Cells You do not even need a microscope to see them ,Heck till YOU I would say they wear Impossible to miss! And more to the point how about the BIG POSTER that Blizzard Keeps showing of Kerrigan with her new Mutations AS A ZERG? At the convention sight. http://blizzcon.rayv.com/ or the countless announcements! That She's a ZERG! in HOTS LOL And people accuse me of being stubborn. Jesus Man this is Embarrassing both of us . Me for sounding like a bully and you For Sticking to a Lost Argument. Let It Go. She not Human. She not Going to be Human. She was Not turned in to a Human. Blizzard said they have no Plans in HOTS for her to be Human. We Even shown you the links. Now burier this dead Puppy he starting to smell. Hell even the flys are complaining! | ||
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Magfire
1 Post
On September 11 2010 11:04 dragondeathlord wrote: And people accuse me of being stubborn. Jesus Man this is Embarrassing both of us . Me for sounding like a bully and you For Sticking to a Lost Argument. Let It Go. She not Human. She not Going to be Human. She was Not turned in to a Human. Blizzard said they have no Plans in HOTS for her to be Human. We Even shown you the links. Now burier this dead Puppy he starting to smell. Hell even the flys are complaining! Not only do you sound like a bully, your also WRONG. Read the end campaign screen that says "Wings of Liberty Complete!" It clearly states "... the Queen of Blades has been restored to her ORIGINAL HUMAN FORM OF SARAH KERRIGAN." She WAS turned into a human, and she IS human. Even if Blizzard says she is going to be zerg in the next expansion, that could just mean she is going to lead and control the zerg which would make her part of the zerg. I doubt she will become re-infested because that would negate the whole story of wings of liberty. Blizzard said that you will play as Kerrigan in more of a RPG style of gamplay as you become stronger so you can control more zerg. There are implications that she takes on mutations to become stronger, but some of this stuff was said back in 2008 when they hadn't even finished the Wings of Liberty Campaign. I think Blizzard decide to take Kerrigan in a different direction becuase her being mutated back into a zerg just doesn't makes since after we spent a whole campaign to restore her. The way I see it, if Kerrigan were killed the "dark voice" would have control over the zerg and use them against the terren and protoss, exactly how it was depicted in "Utter Darkness". Instead, we saved kerrigan and get to use the zerg as an ally against the "dark voice." As far as I know, you dont need to BE a zerg to control the zerg. The terren used Psi emitter before on the confederacy to control the zerg into attacking them. Seeing as Keriggan has EXTREMELY powerful psionic ability (her ghost inhibitor is off), I bet she will be able to control the zerg in her human from. I have a feeling though that She will be one of the people sacrificed by the end of the trilogy. Don't forget that she was a mass murderer. According to Jim Raynor, "she murdered 8 billion people." I think that she will do something during the final battle to sacrifice herself (and maybe the zerg) to both save the other races and to try and redeem herself from what she did in the past. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:30 On_Slaught wrote: Kerrigan will still be the leader of the zerg. She wasn't turned into a terran. She was merely balanced between zerg and human (whereas before she was much more zerg), probably even making her more powerful. The proof of this, without going into spoilers about how the xelnaga work, is that Blizzard has explicitly said that the next story is about Kerrigan. We also know it's about the zerg. The connection is all too obvious. Yea... her hair was still zergified in the cinematic so that could be true~ | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:30 On_Slaught wrote: Kerrigan will still be the leader of the zerg. She wasn't turned into a terran. She was merely balanced between zerg and human (whereas before she was much more zerg), probably even making her more powerful. The proof of this, without going into spoilers about how the xelnaga work, is that Blizzard has explicitly said that the next story is about Kerrigan. We also know it's about the zerg. The connection is all too obvious. Yea... her hair was still zergified in the cinematic so that could be true~ | ||
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DminusTerran
Canada1337 Posts
On August 06 2010 02:04 TOloseGT wrote: Technically though, they are the misunderstood race. I know some people who think zergs are brutal killing machines whose sole purpose is to annihilate everything. Well, that's partially true. It's not the individual zerg creatures who harbor those feelings, but the Overmind, the Cerebrates, and then Kerrigan who commands them. Without a leader to control them, they're just different strains of their peaceful ancestors. Hark back to the campaign in SC where you go around with the psi emitter picking up lost and confused zergling and hydras. That's exactly what they are. I'm sure if they're being controlled by someone nice and fluffy, they'll in turn become essentially domesticated pets. Umm most Zerg strains use genetic material from some pretty voracious carnivores... | ||
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shieldbreak
United States406 Posts
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
On September 11 2010 23:20 shieldbreak wrote: Guessing that due to the Xelnaga, along with Kerrigan, the Zerg will have a Zerg form or they can revert to what they once were. So they can be civilized and battle...that makes the Zerg seem so much more wussy...aww well. were'nt they animals before they were zerg? | ||
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Xenophage
United States5 Posts
In HotS we'll see the zerg finally free from any ruling psionic entity, and to everyone's surprise they'll exhibit unparalleled levels of individuality, intelligence and creativity. The main character will be a Hydralisk who dons the name "Jerry" and explains to the galactic community that the Zerg are really quite a peaceful race, and now that they're free from both the Overmind and Kerrigan they can pursue their real interests: fashion design and live theater! All zerg units in the expansion will upgrade themselves with different colored hats and the first part of the campaign will focus around Jerry and his travelling band of misfit Zerglings trying to earn enough credits to put on the greatest show in the Koprulu Sector back on their homeworld of Char. As the story advances, Jerry will discover the Hybrids and their dasterdly plan to re-enslave the Zerg. Unable to stop their plans, Jerry will only barely save himself and his closest friends by designing special psi-wave blocking top hots. Ultimately, Jerry will play a very small role in LotV, but if you hire him as a mercenary you'll be able to change the color of your units in the middle of a mission. | ||
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Karl Maka
Canada55 Posts
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kariido
Saudi Arabia179 Posts
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
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uanime5
19 Posts
On September 12 2010 04:19 Xenophage wrote: My guess: In HotS we'll see the zerg finally free from any ruling psionic entity, and to everyone's surprise they'll exhibit unparalleled levels of individuality, intelligence and creativity. The main character will be a Hydralisk who dons the name "Jerry" and explains to the galactic community that the Zerg are really quite a peaceful race, and now that they're free from both the Overmind and Kerrigan they can pursue their real interests: fashion design and live theater! All zerg units in the expansion will upgrade themselves with different colored hats and the first part of the campaign will focus around Jerry and his travelling band of misfit Zerglings trying to earn enough credits to put on the greatest show in the Koprulu Sector back on their homeworld of Char. As the story advances, Jerry will discover the Hybrids and their dasterdly plan to re-enslave the Zerg. Unable to stop their plans, Jerry will only barely save himself and his closest friends by designing special psi-wave blocking top hots. Ultimately, Jerry will play a very small role in LotV, but if you hire him as a mercenary you'll be able to change the color of your units in the middle of a mission. Oh God it's the Orc campaign from Warcraft 3 all over again. The only difference is that Jerry saves a few Zerg, rather than kills a lieutenant of the Dark Voice (during a cut scene) to free his brood from the Darkness. | ||
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Enugor
Netherlands3 Posts
I'm kinda getting the feeling that The Dark Voice is the entity at KL-2 that the Xel'Naga empisoned, since the Xel'Naga wanted to create a perfect being, of form and essence, but failed two times ,and then let both races assimilate eachother to form themselves, the Dark Voice wanted as vengeance to pervert the Xel'Naga's legacy, making unnatural Zerg/Protoss hybrids to prevent the Zerg and Protoss from naturally merging into a perfect being, that's why he wanted Kerrigan dead, she wasn't bound by the overriding directive the Dark Voice planted in the Overmind's mind to assimilate and destroy the Protoss. Kerrigan used the Swarm for her own purposes, probably taking vengeance against Mengsk, get to own the Koprulu Sector, et cetera, since the Protoss and Aiur are barely even in the Sector, you'd figure that she doesn't fight them because she doesn't need to. While the Dark Voice is busy with that, I'd believe that Duran is a good Xel'Naga, he probably went on his own to another sector of this galaxy while the others got eaten by the Overmind and Zerg, after he returned from the sector he was in (probably Earth, since he was affiliated with the UED, which is from Earth.) he was what happened. In the secret mission with Zeratul in BW he probably tried to naturally merge the Protoss and Zerg, to create the perfect being - the one that IS truly perfect, instead of the perversions of the Voice in the Dark- to battle the Dark Voice. He allowed himself to be 'infested' to manipulate Kerrigan into making the right choices. In SC2 he took on the guise of Dr. Narud, leading Valerian to think he was really in charge while in reality Narud was, he noticed the pieces of the Artifact, he started collecting them, secretly guiding Valerian to unite the pieces to be able to deinfest Kerrigan. Because it would've been impossible to tell her the truth about the Xel'Naga and the Dark Voice while she was corrupted, it had a bigger chance of working while she was human, calm and in control. P.S. on an unrelated note, Kerrigan IS fully human, with no Zerg DNA whatsoever, just screenshot the scene where you see a close up of her face and look closely at the roots of her insecthair, they are planted in her skin, probably embedded in her skull too, they'd have to surgically be removed to get rid of them, which is why she still has them. | ||
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Mastadon6900
United States46 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Infested IDRA | ||
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:32 kineSiS- wrote: I don't know... I'm pretty sure its still going to be kerrigan bec ause zerg has no heroes... Its a swarm of mindless units... and kerrigan. I for one, would love to have campaign told entirely through the eyes of a Hunter Killer. :3 | ||
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Kin~Slayer
Canada56 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:32 kineSiS- wrote: I don't know... I'm pretty sure its still going to be kerrigan bec ause zerg has no heroes... Its a swarm of mindless units... and kerrigan. ...and Stukov... | ||
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Mastadon6900
United States46 Posts
Torrasque?! Devouring Ones?? Hunter Killers??? | ||
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Enugor
Netherlands3 Posts
.... Who's deinfested by Protoss scientists... | ||
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