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Jin
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Canada439 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 00:13:24
August 20 2010 00:12 GMT
#61
I got this achievement using only gols marines and medics.

Ur army should be big enough to kill the force protecting the probe.

This was for hard, not brutal, so I'm not sure if the same strategy will work.
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SplashbackFerret
Profile Joined October 2009
New Zealand846 Posts
August 20 2010 01:14 GMT
#62
I got this achievement during my brutal playthrough, in fact i'd been trying just about every other strategy just to get the mission completed on that difficulty at all.

My strat was simply mass medic/marine; play aggressively and go for map control early on - cleared the right side of the map first, then through the mini-base on the left side and sweep through the middle and take out the expo from the rear.

Full medic and marine armory upgrades, so I had 2 reactor barracks on 1 base and added another and turreted the hell out of the center after taking the expo.

Of course, you also have to storm dodge like a pro so save often.
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Gedrah
Profile Joined February 2010
465 Posts
August 20 2010 01:25 GMT
#63
It's funny, because I made this thread the week the game came out, and beat the achievement later that day. I keep following it, and realize most of the new posts are just repeating previous posters & probably didn't read any of the thread. All of this shit has already been said, in much greater detail with explanations and more, in the first 1-2 pages.
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Thoreezhea1
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States532 Posts
August 20 2010 01:26 GMT
#64
I was playing that mission on Brutal and that was the very first I had to cheat on. Later I beat it on a different run through with this strat.

I basically built three bunkers full of 6 war pigs with projectile accelerator. that counter any Void Rays that might come and take my base out with. By that time I also had a Vikes, and that basically took care of the air threat, while marauders took care of zealots and stalkers. I took one at a time, and sent the vikings to kill the probes when they sealed that first altar. I essentially ignored the goliaths completely, apart from the three I started with were for additional base defense.

Goliaths lack the pursuit capabilites that vikings (their replacement) have. It took a while, but I did it.

Hope this helped !
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Apollys
Profile Joined July 2010
United States278 Posts
August 20 2010 01:27 GMT
#65
I did this on Brutal (at the end I had 14 gas seals stopped) with a simple MM ball and a couple goliaths. MM works so well, seriously...
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Morayfire73
Profile Joined April 2010
United States298 Posts
August 20 2010 02:01 GMT
#66
Build another command center, get one or two scvs, and land it right next to a geyser. This lets you harvest gas extremely fast. If you do this for like your last 4 needed, you can double harvest at two locations using the second command center, while a marine and medic ball take out groups going to seal altars. You should be wary that they start to double cap altars, far apart from each other. if you get your gas fast enough you should only have a double cap attempt once or twice.
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Karliath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2214 Posts
August 20 2010 02:22 GMT
#67
It's so easy!
Yokoblue
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada594 Posts
August 20 2010 02:26 GMT
#68
Marine + Marine hero + medic will hold really easy Never pass at the bases (the one in the center and the one on the left... ) if you go fast and stim you can only kill the probe then kill the other unit to prevent them while not being in danger all the way to the base
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
August 20 2010 03:44 GMT
#69
Anyone who doesn't recommend marine medic must have never used it as it is the best combo for every level; besides the few with tank support.

Just kill the probe, then take one of your own. Wait for them to start taking another one, take your own. Super super easy.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17235 Posts
August 20 2010 15:34 GMT
#70
I just made nothing but M&M and infantry upgrades. Grabbed the first one by your main, then the next two on the left side at the same time. By then I had macroed enough M&M to have two self-sustaining control groups and just used the second one to clear up the right side while I finished grabbing stuff on the left. Once I got the 3-4 on the left (excluding the top left) I went and cleared through the middle, where that protoss base by your main is. At this point you've got the left locked down, a M&M group covering the 3 in the middle and another group covering the 2 on the right. I grabbed the two on the right and 1-2 more in the middle to amount you needed to finish. Even if they tried to close one at the top left you could just power through and sniped the probe with 1-2 marines while the rest were fighting the army.

Leave a bunker/turret in your main with an scv on auto repair beside it to take care of harass.
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 18:32:58
August 20 2010 18:32 GMT
#71
SPAM MARINE MEDICS .. srsly .. the achievement says it all .. didnt even need to expo and finished it in brutal lol

hardest mission might be supernova ..i hate missions like those
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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
August 20 2010 18:45 GMT
#72
MnM + hellion/vult makes this easy, did it on brutal.

Use your MnM to clean up the map, if you are busy and cant get a probe then make sure you have 3-4 hellions/vults onhand to do go snipe the probe.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
August 20 2010 20:49 GMT
#73
Really easy map. I did it on brutal, Marines and medics, one base, move with your army to where the protoss tries to shut down.
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Anjuu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States57 Posts
September 15 2010 18:21 GMT
#74
I just went back and finished this achievement last night. I thought it would take me several tries but it occurred to me to rely heavily on my Marines and Medics rather than Goliaths which for me was the key. While I used save/loads probably a bit more judiciously than I should have, here’s my basic strat (which I see I’m echoing many others on this thread. Also just as a FYI, I’m a silver level Zerg player so this may work best for folks of similar skill and background):

1. Early Stages: 6 Priorities
a. Prevent Capping (make good use of stim pack and FF on the probes)
b. Grow Economy (Makes lots of SCVs and keep the supply depots coming, I didn’t send SCVs with Goliath for repairs, but would repair once I was back at the base if possible)
c. Grow Army (Marines, Medics and a few Marauders—I also supplemented with mercenaries as they become available, also good for use in base defense. I initially used a Tech lab for medics and then about 3-4 cap attempts in, built my second barracks with a reactor (varies depending on when your economy starts to exceed your ability to pump out units. I found that things got a lot eaiser when I built a few more medics then I thought I needed, they really help, though I couldn’t tell you what the proper ratio would be).
d. Don’t worry about harnessing any Terazine gas yourself not even the two easy ones close to your base, it slows your econ down too much.(The notion is to focus on keeping them from capping and a strong enough econ to grow your army. It will get easier in the end)
e. Upgrade your infantry armor & weapons as you can
f. Defend (I found it help after the first couple capping expeditions to keep my initial Goliaths back at my base, they’re slow and awkward in the field, but they’ve a nice range for defense; also eventually a bunker and turrets. Another key thing I would do is after I would prevent a cap, I would then defeat the force there and retreat back towards my base or to the more centrally located area just north of your base. You can also snipe Protoss units camping alters, (look at your mini map, you’ll see some blue dots just chillin) though be careful, this may take you to the opposite side of the map from their next cap attempt.)

2. Mid-Game
a. Continue to prevent all of the above, but
b. Grow army to critical mass (As above, you should grow to a point where you need a second, and third RAX with reactor making nothing but marines. If my macro game was better you really could at this point have 4 or more barracks bumping out troops, but I found by this point, the game was all but won.)
c. Defeat base to the immediate north of your starting base. (Timing on this required I used a few save/loads so I didn’t do a push only to find once my forces were committed to that attack that the Protoss would start capping a new alter. Keeping a Reapers/Hellion force in reserve as I discuss below may be a way of doing both at the same time)
d. Build and moderately fortify your new expansion as well as start adding SCVs and additional refiners as needed. (I think I had one bunker and a few turrets—I thought I would need more but I only got one push against this base and those forces and the fact that this base is more centrally located and thus easier to reinforce were enough to hold them off and then defeat them).

3. Late-Game
a. Prevent any further capping attempts (For me, I think I only needed to prevent one more capping and controlling the center base really made it easy to get around.)
b. Continue to grow army I think in the end I was at 120-140 supply and had just built my 3rd RAX when I realized their attacks were actually getting weaker.
c. Start taking Terazine. (I would camp my army in spots that had 3 defendable alters, send SCVs to collect and just defended with my mob. I did that twice and then the last one I just sent an SCV to the closest alter from the starting position in the far SW and protected it with my defense force).
d. Checkmate!

Analysis and further commentary
I think this was a pretty solid strategy, unfortunately I did have to use save/load frequently as it really helped me with the timing for my pushes and it would help me not to push out when my base was about to be attacked (though I did this more because it was my first attempt and was really anticipating this to be harder than it worked out to be. Also, watch the mini-map, you can normally spot attacks coming).

I would consider a fast strike force of Reapers or Hellions as a few folks have mentioned. This secondary quick-strike force would make it easier to push out and attack the second base at your leisure without worrying about timing it right.

Another major consideration is you have to remember to work on micro until you take over the northern expansion. By this I mean, if you’re sending reinforcements or have them hotkeyed from your production buildings to join your main attack force, be careful that they don’t choose the shortest route through the defended enemy base until you have taken that base. This means you will need to pay attention to units as they get produced and make sure they are moving around the outside to join your force. Another bit of macro is to remember to use stim pack. I would use it a lot to get where I was going faster. Also a technique I used once and wished I would have done more of is depening on how close the probe was to capping the gas, I would have my units rally just shy of the alter for a few seconds. This would give my medics time to catch up, heal and make it so a second stim was safer.

I personally didn’t have siege tanks available but they would make things a lot easier for base defense and to overtake your future expo (‘The Dig’ was a pretty easy mission that next time I will most likely complete beforehand). Also, I don’t think I had upgraded my medics but it would most likely help as would making it so medics can be built from a reactor. I did however have fully upgraded marine, bunkers with 6 slots & nifty canons atop them, and war pigs and Hammer security forces—all of which I’d recommend for this strat, excepting perhaps the cannon atop the bunker, I’m not sure how well that works).

Good luck, I hope this helps. I think this is post #2 for me!
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Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 15 2010 18:57 GMT
#75
On September 16 2010 03:21 Anjuu wrote:
I just went back and finished this achievement last night. I thought it would take me several tries but it occurred to me to rely heavily on my Marines and Medics rather than Goliaths which for me was the key. While I used save/loads probably a bit more judiciously than I should have, here’s my basic strat (which I see I’m echoing many others on this thread. Also just as a FYI, I’m a silver level Zerg player so this may work best for folks of similar skill and background):

1. Early Stages: 6 Priorities
a. Prevent Capping (make good use of stim pack and FF on the probes)
b. Grow Economy (Makes lots of SCVs and keep the supply depots coming, I didn’t send SCVs with Goliath for repairs, but would repair once I was back at the base if possible)
c. Grow Army (Marines, Medics and a few Marauders—I also supplemented with mercenaries as they become available, also good for use in base defense. I initially used a Tech lab for medics and then about 3-4 cap attempts in, built my second barracks with a reactor (varies depending on when your economy starts to exceed your ability to pump out units. I found that things got a lot eaiser when I built a few more medics then I thought I needed, they really help, though I couldn’t tell you what the proper ratio would be).
d. Don’t worry about harnessing any Terazine gas yourself not even the two easy ones close to your base, it slows your econ down too much.(The notion is to focus on keeping them from capping and a strong enough econ to grow your army. It will get easier in the end)
e. Upgrade your infantry armor & weapons as you can
f. Defend (I found it help after the first couple capping expeditions to keep my initial Goliaths back at my base, they’re slow and awkward in the field, but they’ve a nice range for defense; also eventually a bunker and turrets. Another key thing I would do is after I would prevent a cap, I would then defeat the force there and retreat back towards my base or to the more centrally located area just north of your base. You can also snipe Protoss units camping alters, (look at your mini map, you’ll see some blue dots just chillin) though be careful, this may take you to the opposite side of the map from their next cap attempt.)

2. Mid-Game
a. Continue to prevent all of the above, but
b. Grow army to critical mass (As above, you should grow to a point where you need a second, and third RAX with reactor making nothing but marines. If my macro game was better you really could at this point have 4 or more barracks bumping out troops, but I found by this point, the game was all but won.)
c. Defeat base to the immediate north of your starting base. (Timing on this required I used a few save/loads so I didn’t do a push only to find once my forces were committed to that attack that the Protoss would start capping a new alter. Keeping a Reapers/Hellion force in reserve as I discuss below may be a way of doing both at the same time)
d. Build and moderately fortify your new expansion as well as start adding SCVs and additional refiners as needed. (I think I had one bunker and a few turrets—I thought I would need more but I only got one push against this base and those forces and the fact that this base is more centrally located and thus easier to reinforce were enough to hold them off and then defeat them).

3. Late-Game
a. Prevent any further capping attempts (For me, I think I only needed to prevent one more capping and controlling the center base really made it easy to get around.)
b. Continue to grow army I think in the end I was at 120-140 supply and had just built my 3rd RAX when I realized their attacks were actually getting weaker.
c. Start taking Terazine. (I would camp my army in spots that had 3 defendable alters, send SCVs to collect and just defended with my mob. I did that twice and then the last one I just sent an SCV to the closest alter from the starting position in the far SW and protected it with my defense force).
d. Checkmate!

Analysis and further commentary
I think this was a pretty solid strategy, unfortunately I did have to use save/load frequently as it really helped me with the timing for my pushes and it would help me not to push out when my base was about to be attacked (though I did this more because it was my first attempt and was really anticipating this to be harder than it worked out to be. Also, watch the mini-map, you can normally spot attacks coming).

I would consider a fast strike force of Reapers or Hellions as a few folks have mentioned. This secondary quick-strike force would make it easier to push out and attack the second base at your leisure without worrying about timing it right.

Another major consideration is you have to remember to work on micro until you take over the northern expansion. By this I mean, if you’re sending reinforcements or have them hotkeyed from your production buildings to join your main attack force, be careful that they don’t choose the shortest route through the defended enemy base until you have taken that base. This means you will need to pay attention to units as they get produced and make sure they are moving around the outside to join your force. Another bit of macro is to remember to use stim pack. I would use it a lot to get where I was going faster. Also a technique I used once and wished I would have done more of is depening on how close the probe was to capping the gas, I would have my units rally just shy of the alter for a few seconds. This would give my medics time to catch up, heal and make it so a second stim was safer.

I personally didn’t have siege tanks available but they would make things a lot easier for base defense and to overtake your future expo (‘The Dig’ was a pretty easy mission that next time I will most likely complete beforehand). Also, I don’t think I had upgraded my medics but it would most likely help as would making it so medics can be built from a reactor. I did however have fully upgraded marine, bunkers with 6 slots & nifty canons atop them, and war pigs and Hammer security forces—all of which I’d recommend for this strat, excepting perhaps the cannon atop the bunker, I’m not sure how well that works).

Good luck, I hope this helps. I think this is post #2 for me!

i think this can be summed up in two words:

"get reapers"

seriously... just get like 5-6 reapers and move out to snipe the probe anytime they try to close one... this allows you to use move your MM ball at your own pace and with ease without having to worry about which gases the protoss is trying to take..
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Nebo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States44 Posts
September 15 2010 19:21 GMT
#76
I did this not too long ago and i just made a total of 6 reapers. I sent 2 at a time when they started capping one and used its armory skill (scatter bomb or something) on the probe. At the same time i just massed marine + medic. i left the goliaths back at home to defend.
teekesselchen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany886 Posts
September 15 2010 21:17 GMT
#77
I played this mission totally standard and easily accomplished the achievement. Worst case scenario would suiciding a couple of units to kill the probe, but usually it's easy to just march right over the guardians as well with a part of the main army.
Otherwise Vikings are suitable to deal with it as well.
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19017 Posts
September 15 2010 21:40 GMT
#78
Hellion suicides to snipe Probes. Build a couple bunkers+turrets at the left between the 2 Terrazine geysers. Run up the right and kill everything. Build some bunkers and turrets at the junction between the 2 topmost geysers on the right side. Build extra turrets at home.

Mine all of them at once. Win.
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NeonFlare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Finland1307 Posts
September 15 2010 22:07 GMT
#79
Just go marine/medic and maybe add few marauder in frontline to soak damage if you have them, just start cleaning out places early on and move to intercept probe whenever the warning comes.

I think it was only once in a difficulty distance to reach after I started to play a lot more agressively, going only for clean up and intercepting and started my own gathering after I had almost all the places under control with two decent size control groups roaming around denying the probes and protecting the collectors.
KillerPlague
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1386 Posts
September 16 2010 02:42 GMT
#80
this one gave me a lot of trouble too until i started clearing the areas before hand. just mass pure mmm and clear the map left to right before the probes actually start mining those positions. once you start taking your own alters use bunkers to hold main walk ways and it should be cake. if you're on brutal do not mine two at a time, although i was able to do 4 at a time on hard.
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