EPT[Poll]SC1 vs SC2: Best plot? - Page 7
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
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Billy_
461 Posts
Wait for it. I preferred WoL over the Overmind chapter of the series as far as plot goes. Overmind started off very slow, and the final few missions hardly made any sense. Why does the overmind want to become "manifest"? What does it even mean? Why pick Aiur? Why does it have to be at a Xel'Naga temple? It claims that it's to "assimulate" the protoss, but it didn't need to be "manifest" to assimulate Kerrigan, and it sure as shit didn't need to b manifest during the countless years it spent evolving the swarm. The whole idea of making itsself so vulnerable on the protoss homeworld for unexplained reasons was just lame. And then broodwar apparntly fails to follow up on the overminds motivation which was to assimulate the protoss. Kerrigan had more than ample time to make good on that promise. And I really don't like that we had to wait until WoL (12 years!!!) before the Overminds actions and motivations made any sense. So now that we know what the overmind knew, I actually now consider the overmind campaign to be one of my favorites as opposed to my least favourite. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 27 2010 21:54 Billy_ wrote: The whole poll is just inherently a joke. It is comparing a single part of a 9 part story to every single part that preceeded 7. Of course it's going to fall short. Wait for it. That said, I preferred WoL over the Overmind chapter of the series as far as plot goes. Overmind started off very slow, and the final few missions hardly made any sense. Why does the overmind want to become "manifest"? What does it even mean? Why pick Aiur? Why does it have to be at a Xel'Naga temple? It claims that it's to "assimulate" the protoss, but it didn't need to be "manifest" to assimulate Kerrigan, and it sure as shit didn't need to b manifest during the countless years it spent evolving the swarm. The whole idea of making itsself so vulnerable on the protoss homeworld for unexplained reasons was just lame. And then broodwar apparntly fails to follow up on the overminds motivation which was to assimulate the protoss. Kerrigan had more than ample time to make good on that promise. And I really don't like that we had to wait until WoL (12 years!!!) before the whole Overmind chapter could be fully understood. Yes, lets bring the entire Protoss race to the Zerg to assimilate them instead of actually invading the Protoss homeworld. Oh, and why the hell would Kerrigan follow up on the Overmind's plans in BW? She's free once he's dead. Your questions just show us that you paid absolutely no attention to the actual story when you played SC/BW. | ||
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Billy_
461 Posts
On September 27 2010 22:01 Stratos_speAr wrote: Yes, lets bring the entire Protoss race to the Zerg to assimilate them instead of actually invading the Protoss homeworld. Oh, and why the hell would Kerrigan follow up on the Overmind's plans in BW? She's free once he's dead. Your questions just show us that you paid absolutely no attention to the actual story when you played SC/BW. You didn't answer any of my questions. Hint: my biggest question was why the overmind would succeed in the Auir invasion, only to make itsself vulnerable before beating them into the ground. Maybe I misunderstood the intentions, but I was under the impression that the overmind didn't even have a physical body before the end of the campaign where you see a giant tentacle monster popping up. To take physical form at such an early stage in a planetary invasion just didn't seem to be a smart decision based on what I knew before WOL. And why is the overmind needed for assimulating the protoss when Kerrigan is obviously capable of evolving the species. But whatever, WoL has already provided an explanation to the whole thing. | ||
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Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
Now SC:BW, that was rather nice. The number of plot twists is rather high and there are some massive story arcs that work. Plus theres more emtion from characters because you enjoy using the units thoughout the campagin. TBH Kerrigan dying in SC was pretty meh, but Felnix finally dying in SC:BW was rather sad. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Overall the comparison is like between a full feature movie and TV series. In SC1 a lot more of a story is being told, but less into details. In SC2: WoL the whole story is very focused around just a few events, not much to tell really, but rather the details you enjoy being shown. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
Also, not really story related but the character designs lack any sort of cohesion. All the women look like something out of Final Fantasy CG while Tychus and Raynor are more comically exaggerated than the guys in Gears of War and then you have somewhat normal looking people, like Matt, too. Poorly done IMO, I was really disappointed with it. | ||
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Tdelamay
Canada548 Posts
There, all the storyline of SC and BW summarized in 11 lines. It really isn't that spectacular. It's not bad, mind you- I enjoyed it. It's just that the narrative in SC2 is incomparably better, because it's fleshed out a lot better. SC2 has a better medium to tell the story, but Sc1 still felt like a better story. The new plot lacks story twist; it's too linear. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
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NeonGenesis
Norway260 Posts
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Billy_
461 Posts
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Zhou
United States832 Posts
The story in SC2 was okay... definitely not something I really expected from blizzard, but it's not terribad. Let's just hope they make Heart of the Swarm or Legacy of the Void better. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
I think WoL is the result of an on the spot financial decision to separate SCII into three games. All those sideplots and crap are rushed fillers written by a 2nd rated writer that are created not to be epic or even logical, but rather to fit the gameplay. I hope you are reading our reactions, Blizzard. The public consensus is that your WoL storyline is epic fail. I don't know what's worth saving in Kerrigan. She had her freewill since the day that Overmind was destroyed. How is deinfestation going to magically make her a better person? | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On August 01 2010 17:22 Sabu113 wrote: The lack of mengsk hurts the sc2 storyline. Mengsk added a real umph of epicness to the terran campaign. The Sc2 campaign feels a bit too much like a bunch of random thing raynor did with his time than a systematic campaign consisting of these events. Sure things are more fleshed out in sc2, but the fleshed out events are more minor bits of the universe rather than game changers. I really feel that the lack of a direct toe to toe battle with mengsk hurts the quality of the campaign. edit: That's not the say they didnt do a good job. The missions were fun. Best RTS campaign to date. Next time maybe a little less gimmicy with a focus on one unit, but over all excellent job. Anyone find the whole mengsk tychus connection wierd? Did mengsk really think big enough to snipe kerrigan/ allow Media blitz to happen/ all of the damage raynor did? Also while i'm on the rant... the introduction of valerian did absolutely nothing. Not enough exposition. the villains really didn't do anything villainous while in the spotlight... it saddened me doubly so by the fact the queen of blades won some most evil bad guy thing in sc2 also they ruined her artwork, hardcore | ||
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NeonGenesis
Norway260 Posts
I don't know what's worth saving in Kerrigan. She had her freewill since the day that Overmind was destroyed. How is deinfestation going to magically make her a better person? | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
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thezergk
United States492 Posts
On August 01 2010 06:13 mrkent wrote: SC2 WoL entire story is summed as follows. Zeratul tells Raynor that he needs to save Kerrigan. Raynor saves Kerrigan. Every other character was not essential to the story. In other words, it sucks. Also, how the fuck did Kerrigan get beat by a small army when the UED, Dominion, and Artanis combined could not defeat her in the end of Broodwar? The majority of her army was still gone invading the Dominion and hadn't returned yet. Plus they didn't kill the zerg army, they just survived until the artifact could do all the work. | ||
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Billy_
461 Posts
SC2 had so many filler missions that contribute basically absolutely nothing to the story. Depends on your definition of filler. I'm pretty much used to playing RPGs where you spend a lot more time on character development and learning about the game world, so I actually felt as if most of the missions offered something. The main characters all say cheesy and cliche lines stolen from movies. Haven't they always been like that since 12 years ago? they made a joke out of SC1's lore. Yeah, I don't agree. The overminds motivation for wanting to make its self mortal was not explained at all until WoL. I don't know what happened to Tassadar, but I can understand why he would admire such devotion and sacrifice from the overmind to save his Zerg from death. Arcturus has always had a really short temper and had been prone to childish outbursts pretty much every time someone disagreed with him in Rebel Yell. Jim and Zeratul are both really sad for obvious reasons. And Kerrigan always talked a lot of shit. Her whole personality in the overmind campaign could be summed up as "I AM THE STRONGEST AND I WILL KILL YOU IF YOU QUESTION ME!" She had better writers though, that's for sure. I hope you are reading our reactions, Blizzard. The public consensus is that your WoL storyline is epic fail. Not really. I don't know what's worth saving in Kerrigan. She had her freewill since the day that Overmind was destroyed. How is deinfestation going to magically make her a better person? I don't know. She basically became an entirely different character when she became infested, and he said something about giving her full control as long as she didn't interfere with its plans. | ||
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buhhy
United States1113 Posts
On September 27 2010 23:48 danl9rm wrote: How can we have a poll on a finished product vs. a game that is 1/3 (at most) complete? Honestly, people need to stop using this argument. SC2 WoL is 30~ missions long. SC1 is 30~ missions long. Also SC1 is game sold at full price. SC2 is a game sold at full price. They are comparable. | ||
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