Having said that what’s the chance they go for a newly available Mourinho or something if Amorim does leave?
Speaking of Nuno and his spot. If it were other owners, given what’s publicly known, I’d say Nuno’s position is totally untenable and it’s just a matter of time, but with Marinakis I’m not so sure. He strikes me as quite the volatile chap, but this can go in both directions. The kind of bloke who’ll have a gigantic argument with you one night, then show up with a bottle of fine wine to apologise and you’re mates again another.
While the owner is the guy who put him in situ, so that’s a source of friction, from what I’ve read Nuno’s real frustrations are with the sporting director (is it Edu, can’t remember?). Maybe Marinakis changes his mind and decides to side with the bloke that got Forest challenging for a CL spot than the new bloke through the door in this particular power struggle?
Maybe I’m reading too much into things on the other hand!
On September 03 2025 22:47 WombaT wrote: Having said that what’s the chance they go for a newly available Mourinho or something if Amorim does leave?
Speaking of Nuno and his spot. If it were other owners, given what’s publicly known, I’d say Nuno’s position is totally untenable and it’s just a matter of time, but with Marinakis I’m not so sure. He strikes me as quite the volatile chap, but this can go in both directions. The kind of bloke who’ll have a gigantic argument with you one night, then show up with a bottle of fine wine to apologise and you’re mates again another.
While the owner is the guy who put him in situ, so that’s a source of friction, from what I’ve read Nuno’s real frustrations are with the sporting director (is it Edu, can’t remember?). Maybe Marinakis changes his mind and decides to side with the bloke that got Forest challenging for a CL spot than the new bloke through the door in this particular power struggle?
Maybe I’m reading too much into things on the other hand!
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Edu was hired to look after the high level decision making for all clubs in Marinakis' group. Nuno thinks Edu should listen to him about transfer targets, Edu thinks not. Forest's 'attempts' to sign Nuno's targets seemed to all just disappear at one point. I'm not sure if that has something to Nuno apparently being extremely aggressive in pushing for this stuff and being purely anti-Edu from day 1 of Edu working at the club.
There is a 'factional' issue here too, with Nuno being a Mendes guy. Mendes is a competitor of Edu, and will recommend transfers to Nuno that will make Mendes lots of money. Edu is preventing that from going through and having his guys make the money.
Marinakis naturally wants to take Edu's side because his network of links in the game is ridiculous and he can get players other guys would never be able to get.
The number 1 factor here though is whether we can get someone Marinakis thinks is better than Nuno. He's said this openly a bunch of times, that the only relevant factor in decisions about managers is whether the new one is better than the old one or not.
People say he's volatile, but not when it comes to absolutely massive decisions like this, he's not volatile at all. If anything he's the opposite, he hung on to Cooper for a good 18 months after it was first suggested by everyone in the world that he sack him. He waited for Nuno.
I would say Nuno is definitely the volatile element in this situation. The fans are absolutely furious at him and its remarkable how quickly he's burned through alot of the good will from last season. Its early days but the fans are even asking whether he is refusing to play Douglas Luiz because he hates Edu so much.
I'm not sure about the Ange situation. TBH I think Marinakis would always make himself available to talk to a 'top' coach, but I'm also sure those conversations would be entirely hypothetical at first. They were both at the same event, it doesn't mean he's hiring Ange.
Apparently they released an audio on the VAR decision on the Tarkowsky handball & penalty that I wasn't too happy. There's a reddit post on it with video, not sure what's the original source.
Based on this I can kind of get their angle, but it's pretty worrying how little structure there seems to be to the process. They don't even note the deflection that likely has some influence in the player's reaction.
The rest of it seems to be more about how we view defender's responsibility. I'm not a great footballer myself and my assumption was that you can't really judge the ball's trajectory precisely enough to tell whether it's going to hit your arm or chest the moment you need to start moving, especially when your arm position is already limiting the way you can shift weight and all that.
My preference is to allow that kind of block. It removes a lot of ambiguity on how much player has time to react to bounces, blocked visibility, surprising trajectory and convert all that into some evasive manouver. If player manages to maintain a good posture with arms glued to their body, it's a good block even if it hits your arm.
Still, the big thing is consistency. If they want to rule it as 'leaning in', then those should be called consistently. I guess that brings us to the dilemma of reaction times, body momentum, deflections and all that. If they're going that way, they need some kind of structured process to solve these.
I sort of see their reasoning... because the arm does technically make his "body" bigger and he is necessarily intentionally moving towards the ball. If his arm wasn't there, it's a shot on goal. It does ask defenders the question: can you get there in time to block with a legal part of your body, or should you instead not even try to move towards the ball in fear of a deflection hitting your arm?
I also agree that I think it should've been allowed, but then you start running into a slippery slope like different offside measurements: simply saying that keeping the arms back in a "natural position" like this still makes the effective blocking area bigger. Same as saying that offside should be measured a few more inches to favor the attacker. At the end of the day, all you're doing is making something more or less skewed for the defender or attacker by a few inches.
I am absolutely fuming with Nuno. What a twat. Still, 10 years ago I wouldn't even dreamed of us getting into Europe in my lifetime. Gotta look at the positives I suppose
On September 09 2025 20:59 Jockmcplop wrote: Fuck my life
I am absolutely fuming with Nuno. What a twat. Still, 10 years ago I wouldn't even dreamed of us getting into Europe in my lifetime. Gotta look at the positives I suppose
Aside from picking a fight he couldn’t win, what’s Nuno done that’s so bad?
On September 09 2025 21:43 gTank wrote: I mean he won a title with the Spurs, he cant be THAT bad of a coach right? Right?
He had a good first season with Spurs, and a poor second albeit with a trophy.
As much as the Prem is the hot destination for players, it’s probably an even bigger challenge for coaches. There are generally very well-coached teams, and unlike smaller leagues, there aren’t huge gulfs in levels, where 1-2 teams are just miles better than the rest.
He did very well at Celtic for example, but they’re so far ahead of the competition that any limitations of Angeball aren’t really explored. Additionally there’s a huge amount of pressure and scrutiny that, Celtic aside he hadn’t experienced much of elsewhere.
Not the case in the Prem, I think overall for his first stint in not just the Prem, but a top 5 European league, he did alright. I’d give him a B- overall I reckon.
His second season at Spurs was genuinely crippled by injury as well.
I think he could do well at Forest if he’s spent his time off really thinking of what he did well at Spurs, and what he did badly and is flexible enough to make a few tweaks here and there.
As a neutral, Forest were a lot of fun under Nuno last year, but really only because they were challenging the big boys on an underdog run, they weren’t super exciting to watch game by game. Could be quite a fun watch for the neutral, but actual Forest fans are gonna want Ange to avoid some of the pitfalls he fell into at Spurs
On September 09 2025 20:59 Jockmcplop wrote: Fuck my life
I am absolutely fuming with Nuno. What a twat. Still, 10 years ago I wouldn't even dreamed of us getting into Europe in my lifetime. Gotta look at the positives I suppose
Aside from picking a fight he couldn’t win, what’s Nuno done that’s so bad?
On September 09 2025 21:43 gTank wrote: I mean he won a title with the Spurs, he cant be THAT bad of a coach right? Right?
He had a good first season with Spurs, and a poor second albeit with a trophy.
As much as the Prem is the hot destination for players, it’s probably an even bigger challenge for coaches. There are generally very well-coached teams, and unlike smaller leagues, there aren’t huge gulfs in levels, where 1-2 teams are just miles better than the rest.
He did very well at Celtic for example, but they’re so far ahead of the competition that any limitations of Angeball aren’t really explored. Additionally there’s a huge amount of pressure and scrutiny that, Celtic aside he hadn’t experienced much of elsewhere.
Not the case in the Prem, I think overall for his first stint in not just the Prem, but a top 5 European league, he did alright. I’d give him a B- overall I reckon.
His second season at Spurs was genuinely crippled by injury as well.
I think he could do well at Forest if he’s spent his time off really thinking of what he did well at Spurs, and what he did badly and is flexible enough to make a few tweaks here and there.
As a neutral, Forest were a lot of fun under Nuno last year, but really only because they were challenging the big boys on an underdog run, they weren’t super exciting to watch game by game. Could be quite a fun watch for the neutral, but actual Forest fans are gonna want Ange to avoid some of the pitfalls he fell into at Spurs
He went nuclear when there was absolutely no need to.
He complained about his squad being thin, then the owner went and spent a fifth of a billion quid on the squad, and the Nuno comes out with new complaints a day later.
He made it SO HARD not to sack him.
When from a fans pov everything was going fine, Nuno just exploded the whole club out of nowhere. He has previous for this at Wolves and in Saudi too
In a group somewhat likely to be decided by goal difference, Norway is up 6-0 after 50 minutes against Moldova. Haaland has scored 4 goals (47 in 45 games for Norway) but arguably, he's only been our second best player, as Ødegaard is simply fantastic.
Our backline could be a lot better (was during our previous golden age during the 90s) but the Ødegaard-Haaland-Nusa-Sørloth top 4 is genuinely world class.
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