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On September 01 2025 20:31 MJG wrote:
On a purely personal level, I didn't want Martinez at the club.
But he does have proven PL quality, which is something Lammens doesn't have.
Martinez would've definitely been the safer signing.
While true, I figure someone like Martinez to do stupid stuff to get injured/banned for playing like DUI or worse.
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On September 01 2025 19:20 MJG wrote:
Have their first two league games really been that bad?
Surely some sort of falling out has happened behind the scenes?
They lost the first game and only got a draw in the second after being up two goals, so it's been a bad start. There were reports before the second game that he already lost the dressing room with some of his decisions (e. g. his choice of captain), and reports after the second game that the team purposely ignored some of his instructions altogether.
Probably also made himself unpopular with his bosses when he asked for reinforcements in public. But to go through the entire pre-season with a new coach, when you sell half your starting 11 and don't have your squad together by the end of August, and then sacking the new coach after matchday 2, that's not a great look.
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A lot of people are saying it was Leverkusen CEO Carro who wasn't happy with hiring Ten Hag in the first place and orchestrated the sacking. However, Ten Hag got there despite Carro's opinion, so I assume he must have already lost some of the support during his stay also.
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how do you hire a manager without the ceos approval? wtf?
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On September 02 2025 14:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:
how do you hire a manager without the ceos approval? wtf?
My first thought too
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I think Leverkusen winning the title gave Rolfes (sporting director) a lot of leeway?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cd0d05evzgmo
BBC article on the Ten Hag situation.
Some of the assessments are pretty damning.
Almost from the start, Ten Hag caused irritation with his decisions and behaviour.
For instance, he rescheduled a friendly against Flamengo's under-20s team during Leverkusen's training camp in Brazil. The game was played four days earlier than initially planned and Leverkusen lost 5-1 in quite an upset.
Around the same time, Ten Hag took a stance against Granit Xhaka's departure, saying the midfield leader ought to stay and that Leverkusen had lost enough key players already.
However, Leverkusen had made it known that Xhaka could leave if the right offer came in. He went to Sunderland.
In addition, Ten Hag criticised his players for not being fit enough, even though he and his staff had overseen pre-season.
And he has been accused of lacking the kind of charisma necessary to lead any ambitious top-flight team, but especially a newly assembled group of players. He seemed to struggle with convincing players of his ideas. Sources close to the club suggest he gave lacklustre pre-match talks.
Before the season opener against Hoffenheim, it has been said Ten Hag didn't even give a pre-match talk.
In contrast, Spaniard Alonso tried his best to improve his German and his leadership skills as a manager during his tenure at Leverkusen.
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From Laurie Whitwell's Athletic Article on United's transfer window
The other major aspect of the window regarding incomings centred on the goalkeeper. United did not intend to make a signing in the position when the window opened but circumstances changed when Onana came back for pre-season. He reported an issue with his hamstring on day one, and then a full injury on day two, but this left staff questioning what shape he was in after the summer to suffer the problem straight away.
For Amorim, the setback left a lasting impression, with Altay Bayindir selected in the first three Premier League games. Onana was left out of the squad entirely for the Arsenal despite feeling he was fit to play, with Tom Heaton named on the bench. Onana was surprised when overlooked at Craven Cottage.
On reflection the seeds had been sown at the end of last season, when Bayindir started the final Premier League game of the campaign against Aston Villa, with Heaton among the substitutes and Onana left out following a disappointing performance in the Europa League final.
Onana came back to Carrington wanting a new contract — he has been of that view since receiving the standard 25 per cent cut for non-qualification to the Champions League — a stance that did not go down well with Amorim. Yet United made no efforts to sell Onana. Monaco were the only club to register a real interest in him but they were informed his price was a minimum £30m. Monaco declined to go further.
Following the Fulham game Onana’s representatives again checked if United wished for them to seek exit options but they were told not to, and that the player remains a part of Amorim’s plans.
By that point though, following Bayindir’s uncertain display against Arsenal, United had activated on signing Senne Lammens from Royal Antwerp. The club, led by Ratcliffe, decided to sign a new goalkeeper.
imagine having the gall to ask for a new contract despite being one of the reason's why you have a lower contract lmaooooo
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On September 02 2025 16:56 MJG wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cd0d05evzgmoBBC article on the Ten Hag situation. Some of the assessments are pretty damning. Show nested quote +Almost from the start, Ten Hag caused irritation with his decisions and behaviour.
For instance, he rescheduled a friendly against Flamengo's under-20s team during Leverkusen's training camp in Brazil. The game was played four days earlier than initially planned and Leverkusen lost 5-1 in quite an upset.
Around the same time, Ten Hag took a stance against Granit Xhaka's departure, saying the midfield leader ought to stay and that Leverkusen had lost enough key players already.
However, Leverkusen had made it known that Xhaka could leave if the right offer came in. He went to Sunderland.
In addition, Ten Hag criticised his players for not being fit enough, even though he and his staff had overseen pre-season.
And he has been accused of lacking the kind of charisma necessary to lead any ambitious top-flight team, but especially a newly assembled group of players. He seemed to struggle with convincing players of his ideas. Sources close to the club suggest he gave lacklustre pre-match talks.
Before the season opener against Hoffenheim, it has been said Ten Hag didn't even give a pre-match talk.
In contrast, Spaniard Alonso tried his best to improve his German and his leadership skills as a manager during his tenure at Leverkusen.
Pretty damning? These sounds like things any coach could do, but are listed here in order to make a case. Could be tons of reasons he missed 1 pregame talk. And what manager wouldn't be pissed when he's appointed and they sell of over half of the starting squad. 'not being charismatic enough' (while true) is now a ground for immediate sacking? And there are loads of managers that don't speak the language, even after years. I'm not a fan of Ten Hag but if that's a case any club could fire it's manager today.
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On September 02 2025 18:47 GTR wrote:From Laurie Whitwell's Athletic Article on United's transfer windowShow nested quote +The other major aspect of the window regarding incomings centred on the goalkeeper. United did not intend to make a signing in the position when the window opened but circumstances changed when Onana came back for pre-season. He reported an issue with his hamstring on day one, and then a full injury on day two, but this left staff questioning what shape he was in after the summer to suffer the problem straight away.
For Amorim, the setback left a lasting impression, with Altay Bayindir selected in the first three Premier League games. Onana was left out of the squad entirely for the Arsenal despite feeling he was fit to play, with Tom Heaton named on the bench. Onana was surprised when overlooked at Craven Cottage.
On reflection the seeds had been sown at the end of last season, when Bayindir started the final Premier League game of the campaign against Aston Villa, with Heaton among the substitutes and Onana left out following a disappointing performance in the Europa League final.
Onana came back to Carrington wanting a new contract — he has been of that view since receiving the standard 25 per cent cut for non-qualification to the Champions League — a stance that did not go down well with Amorim. Yet United made no efforts to sell Onana. Monaco were the only club to register a real interest in him but they were informed his price was a minimum £30m. Monaco declined to go further.
Following the Fulham game Onana’s representatives again checked if United wished for them to seek exit options but they were told not to, and that the player remains a part of Amorim’s plans.
By that point though, following Bayindir’s uncertain display against Arsenal, United had activated on signing Senne Lammens from Royal Antwerp. The club, led by Ratcliffe, decided to sign a new goalkeeper.
imagine having the gall to ask for a new contract despite being one of the reason's why you have a lower contract lmaooooo
but why keep such a toxic person in the club then?
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Zinchenko and Bakwa at the last minute on deadline day.
Forest's squad is insane now.
We have the most expensive squad in the Europa League by an absolute mile.
We'll be leaving Premier League quality players out of the matchday squad every week unless there's injuries.
Say what you want about Marinakis, he backs this club to the hilt.
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On September 02 2025 19:19 aseq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2025 16:56 MJG wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cd0d05evzgmoBBC article on the Ten Hag situation. Some of the assessments are pretty damning. Almost from the start, Ten Hag caused irritation with his decisions and behaviour.
For instance, he rescheduled a friendly against Flamengo's under-20s team during Leverkusen's training camp in Brazil. The game was played four days earlier than initially planned and Leverkusen lost 5-1 in quite an upset.
Around the same time, Ten Hag took a stance against Granit Xhaka's departure, saying the midfield leader ought to stay and that Leverkusen had lost enough key players already.
However, Leverkusen had made it known that Xhaka could leave if the right offer came in. He went to Sunderland.
In addition, Ten Hag criticised his players for not being fit enough, even though he and his staff had overseen pre-season.
And he has been accused of lacking the kind of charisma necessary to lead any ambitious top-flight team, but especially a newly assembled group of players. He seemed to struggle with convincing players of his ideas. Sources close to the club suggest he gave lacklustre pre-match talks.
Before the season opener against Hoffenheim, it has been said Ten Hag didn't even give a pre-match talk.
In contrast, Spaniard Alonso tried his best to improve his German and his leadership skills as a manager during his tenure at Leverkusen. Pretty damning? These sounds like things any coach could do, but are listed here in order to make a case. Could be tons of reasons he missed 1 pregame talk. And what manager wouldn't be pissed when he's appointed and they sell of over half of the starting squad. 'not being charismatic enough' (while true) is now a ground for immediate sacking? And there are loads of managers that don't speak the language, even after years. I'm not a fan of Ten Hag but if that's a case any club could fire it's manager today.
Ten Hags german is probably better than Alonsos anyways. Thats not the reason. Somehow he managed to immediately lose the dressing room.
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On September 02 2025 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
Zinchenko and Bakwa at the last minute on deadline day.
Forest's squad is insane now.
We have the most expensive squad in the Europa League by an absolute mile.
We'll be leaving Premier League quality players out of the matchday squad every week unless there's injuries.
Say what you want about Marinakis, he backs this club to the hilt.
Had a report from an Australian outlet that Nuno is going to get sacked soon and replaced with Ange
Can't find any reliable sources though, any chance that's legit?
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On September 02 2025 23:07 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2025 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
Zinchenko and Bakwa at the last minute on deadline day.
Forest's squad is insane now.
We have the most expensive squad in the Europa League by an absolute mile.
We'll be leaving Premier League quality players out of the matchday squad every week unless there's injuries.
Say what you want about Marinakis, he backs this club to the hilt. Had a report from an Australian outlet that Nuno is going to get sacked soon and replaced with Ange Can't find any reliable sources though, any chance that's legit?
Nuno's on the edge, but I don't think he'll get sacked.
It was a strong rumour last week about Ange but I doubt Marinakis would go down that road tbh.
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would make sense though given ange's greek links
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It would be a bit funny sacking one of the biggest overachievers in recent history and replace him with the guy who almost got Spurs relegated. I know things are more nuanced than that, but it's still a pretty stark contrast in their recent resumes.
I saw some Reddit post mention that Nuno could fit current United and help them recover some form. I don't know if Nuno has any desire to go there though and it feels like United is still sticking with Amorim for now. We'll see if anyone makes moves over the international break.
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On September 03 2025 19:04 Bacillus wrote:
It would be a bit funny sacking one of the biggest overachievers in recent history and replace him with the guy who almost got Spurs relegated. I know things are more nuanced than that, but it's still a pretty stark contrast in their recent resumes.
I saw some Reddit post mention that Nuno could fit current United and help them recover some form. I don't know if Nuno has any desire to go there though and it feels like United is still sticking with Amorim for now. We'll see if anyone makes moves over the international break.
I am so confused. Ange won a major trophy with Spurs - isn't that total overachieving? ^^
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Rumours abound that Oliver Glasner is about to get poached by Bayer Leverkusen.
On September 03 2025 19:04 Bacillus wrote:
I saw some Reddit post mention that Nuno could fit current United and help them recover some form. I don't know if Nuno has any desire to go there though and it feels like United is still sticking with Amorim for now. We'll see if anyone makes moves over the international break.
The only coach who would go to United now is someone both confident enough and delusional enough to think of themselves as the chosen saviour who is different and better than all that have gone before and can fix everything with their sheer magnificence.
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On September 03 2025 20:13 DropBear wrote:Rumours abound that Oliver Glasner is about to get poached by Bayer Leverkusen. Show nested quote +On September 03 2025 19:04 Bacillus wrote:
I saw some Reddit post mention that Nuno could fit current United and help them recover some form. I don't know if Nuno has any desire to go there though and it feels like United is still sticking with Amorim for now. We'll see if anyone makes moves over the international break. The only coach who would go to United now is someone both confident enough and delusional enough to think of themselves as the chosen saviour who is different and better than all that have gone before and can fix everything with their sheer magnificence.
It might actually be a good time to go there, especially if you’re not a ‘sexy’ name.
You’d be taking over a well-resourced sleeping giant, and crucially, unlike previous occasions, I don’t think expectations will be that high. Some slow and steady improvement, without a huge amount of pressure to be winning things or competing for the big prizes out the gate.
I could see coaches who’d not have been able to hope for that gig being in the frame previously, being so this time around, and with enough rope to potentially do well.
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On September 03 2025 22:22 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2025 20:13 DropBear wrote:Rumours abound that Oliver Glasner is about to get poached by Bayer Leverkusen. On September 03 2025 19:04 Bacillus wrote:
I saw some Reddit post mention that Nuno could fit current United and help them recover some form. I don't know if Nuno has any desire to go there though and it feels like United is still sticking with Amorim for now. We'll see if anyone makes moves over the international break. The only coach who would go to United now is someone both confident enough and delusional enough to think of themselves as the chosen saviour who is different and better than all that have gone before and can fix everything with their sheer magnificence. It might actually be a good time to go there, especially if you’re not a ‘sexy’ name. You’d be taking over a well-resourced sleeping giant, and crucially, unlike previous occasions, I don’t think expectations will be that high. Some slow and steady improvement, without a huge amount of pressure to be winning things or competing for the big prizes out the gate. I could see coaches who’d not have been able to hope for that gig being in the frame previously, being so this time around, and with enough rope to potentially do well.
I think the recent Utd transfer window also looks... reasonable. They addressed some of the issues in the roster with players who have decent PL experience & routine, but who are also young enough to commit to the rebuild. They also got rid of some of the unsettled players.
Surely you need more than one window to address all the issues, but it doesn't look like a terrible window to me. The biggest gripe I have with it is mostly that they still can't seem to play Amorim-ball.
So maybe it isn't a terrible moment to join United.
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