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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28724 Posts
August 28 2025 08:14 GMT
#1601
They were a decent championship side with some good cup runs during the 90s, I was actually surprised to learn they were in div 4!

Amusingly enough, this was the fourth consecutive game vs Grimsby where United failed to beat them.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26219 Posts
August 28 2025 10:17 GMT
#1602
I think Grimsby actually win the head-to-head 9-3 historically haha
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51506 Posts
August 28 2025 10:38 GMT
#1603



man is broken. wouldn't shock me if he was gone by the international break.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18544 Posts
August 28 2025 10:53 GMT
#1604
The players show what they want after such a performance - does this mean "I know that the players suck and dont want to play"?
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9752 Posts
August 28 2025 12:06 GMT
#1605
If I were in the hierarchy at United I would go all out to try and get someone like Conte.
Someone who can genuinely sort your defence and midfield out, and getting that competitive spirit back in the squad that's been missing for a decade, thinking that the quality of your forwards would then just work.
RIP Meatloaf <3
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26219 Posts
August 28 2025 12:14 GMT
#1606
This one for me is on the board. Or at least Ratcliffe and his inner circle.

They spent millions to lure Dan Ashworth in as Director of Football, ignored his recommendations and here we are, and he’s away.

Momentum is huge in football, it’s the area I have some sympathy for Amorim in. He was happy to commit to coming in the summer, it was they who insisted it was ‘now or never’.

He predictably struggles with a squad that doesn’t suit him, without a pre-season, and on top of getting them to play his style, he has to lift low morale on top of that.

Aside from the wisdom of singling out a bloke who’s absolutely open about playing a particular system, when you don’t have a squad particularly well-suited to it. It’s not like Amorim ever pretended to be flexible on this.

One of Ashworth’s recommendations was Thomas Frank, he’s shown himself to be flexible both with regards to the personnel he has, but in adapting to the opposition too. Insiders say his real killer skill is in man-management and that side of things.

That would have on the surface appeared a sensible appointment given United’s problems are morale, and having something of a haphazard squad that’s never quite ‘completed’ to play a particular way, unlike a Man City or a Liverpool.

Not to glaze Mr Frank, but he’s only in the door at Spurs, the wheels may fall off. But he’s had his pre-season, and 3 games. In which his sides played 3 different formations. Ran an excellent PSG side close (I still have nightmares of them 5-0ing us), and beat a very good Man City side. Probably a Man City side that’s a bit underrated as they’re not all-conquering, but they’ve accumulated the most points in the league in the calendar year.

Kudus and Paulinha are quality players, but it’s not like Frank has a massively better squad than Ange had, he’s just arrived and he’s getting on with it (yes I know Ange did genuinely have ridiculous injury issues last season).

But like Frank’s in, and almost immediately has shown an ability to switch systems, and the players know what to do. Amorim’s had longer and as yet seemingly can’t get them to play his one way.

I’m not giving the United players a complete get-out here either, they bear some responsibility of course, but to me football’s like any other profession, just with a bigger spotlight and generally a lot more money on the table.

In any gig, if your direct superiors, as well as the company’s upper management continually make fuckup after fuckup, and you get all the blame for it, for years, of course morale will be in the toilet.

I can almost guarantee if you could get Bruno Fernandes off the record, he’d tell you he can’t play as one of the two in this system. He’ll be asked to, and he’ll try, and largely fail and get all the flak that goes with that.

Or if you’re a Kobe Mainoo, very promising youth product who’s contributed some very big moments for the club. Well you don’t fit the system, and might be on the chopping block because PSR. You’re drifting out of the England reckoning because of your manager’s insistence on a system that’s so far wielded like a 27% win rate.

Morale can tank for many reasons that aren’t laziness or a lack of professional pride
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10251 Posts
August 28 2025 17:07 GMT
#1607
Bringing in Amorim with the squad structure as it is was always going to fail honestly. It was the same reason that Liverpool looked to Slot. He played similarly to Klopp and we didn't want to waste precious years we have with Salah and VVD at their peaks. If you're undergoing massive change with transition years, changing the club's style and philosophy makes sense to get a manager who doesn't play your system that you've played for years. But if you're in win-now mode and get in a manager with a totally new system, it's not going to make any sense.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10251 Posts
August 28 2025 17:08 GMT
#1608
UCL draw!

PSG absolutely fucked, their entire fixture list is very difficult.

RMA returns to Anfield, lovely homecoming for Trent hahaha. Decent draw for Liverpool, some hard ones like Gala away and Atletico at home will be very difficult.

RMA vs City as is tradition at this point.

Barca vs PSG finally, this will be an intense fixture. Lots of fireworks expected.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
August 29 2025 06:21 GMT
#1609
On August 29 2025 02:07 FlaShFTW wrote:
Bringing in Amorim with the squad structure as it is was always going to fail honestly. It was the same reason that Liverpool looked to Slot. He played similarly to Klopp and we didn't want to waste precious years we have with Salah and VVD at their peaks. If you're undergoing massive change with transition years, changing the club's style and philosophy makes sense to get a manager who doesn't play your system that you've played for years. But if you're in win-now mode and get in a manager with a totally new system, it's not going to make any sense.

yeah but thats why everyone wrote off his first half season. the expectation was that we would suck and he would need a number of windows to get "his players" in. thats why its just baffling that despite cunha and mbeumo being good players, their addition doesnt really make sense given brunos presence and the other weaknesses in the squad. instead of really replacing our genuine weaknesses we just substituted our best performer for the new recruits and relegated bruno to a task he cant fulfill.

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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51506 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-29 09:53:08
August 29 2025 09:43 GMT
#1610
crazy 48 hours for former manchester united managers - ole gets sacked, now mourinho lol

also xavi simons to spurs wtf is going on
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
August 29 2025 10:29 GMT
#1611
if amorim were to leave id take either of ole or mourinho back tbh. better than southgate at least

and why is it that united always gets absolutely shafted in transfer windows? how the hell is garnacho going for only 40m? honestly ridiculous how shit we are at business in the transfer department
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18544 Posts
August 29 2025 11:10 GMT
#1612
garnacho at 40m is robbery by Manutd imo.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-29 12:09:56
August 29 2025 12:08 GMT
#1613
look at the prices eze, elanga, joao pedro, madueke etc all went for.
garnacho is younger than them all and managed 20 goal contributions last season in a dogshit united team. if he was being sold by any other club hed be 70m.

chelsea was asking for 70m for bloody nicolas jackson ffs.
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1372 Posts
August 29 2025 12:59 GMT
#1614
It's hard for a club to demand big money for a player that they've openly said they want to get rid of.
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Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1995 Posts
August 29 2025 14:20 GMT
#1615
On August 29 2025 18:43 GTR wrote:
crazy 48 hours for former manchester united managers - ole gets sacked, now mourinho lol

Two Turkish clubs looked at the Grimsby mess and decided that it's time to cut any loose ties to United?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26219 Posts
August 29 2025 15:22 GMT
#1616
Tommy Tuchs you know I rate you but Henderson again? Really?

If he’s so good in the dressing room and as a leader just bring him in as part of your staff
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10251 Posts
August 29 2025 15:45 GMT
#1617
On August 29 2025 21:08 evilfatsh1t wrote:
look at the prices eze, elanga, joao pedro, madueke etc all went for.
garnacho is younger than them all and managed 20 goal contributions last season in a dogshit united team. if he was being sold by any other club hed be 70m.

chelsea was asking for 70m for bloody nicolas jackson ffs.

Eze Elanga Pedro are all better than Garnacho, and Garnacho's attitude probably has issues where teams are turned off by it, and no team really wants the united baggage. I mean look at how hard it is to sell off Antony right now. People just don't want to do business with United.

Hendo is just a great captain which is probably why he continues to get called up. Immense locker room and can command the team and the field. But it does scratch my head a bit, like idk if you would really want to bring him to a world cup. As you said, just bring him in as a staff member who's involved in the locker room.

No Trent lmao, dude leaves us to go to RMA and now is benched for a 34 year old Carvajal and can't even make the England squad.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9752 Posts
August 29 2025 15:49 GMT
#1618
On August 29 2025 21:08 evilfatsh1t wrote:
look at the prices eze, elanga, joao pedro, madueke etc all went for.
garnacho is younger than them all and managed 20 goal contributions last season in a dogshit united team. if he was being sold by any other club hed be 70m.

chelsea was asking for 70m for bloody nicolas jackson ffs.


Clubs do psychological testing to make sure players will fit in with their group.

If someone is obviously unprofessional, prone to throwing tantrums and generally has a bad attitude that will seriously affect their price and how much people are willing to pay for them.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9752 Posts
August 29 2025 16:33 GMT
#1619
Give Elliot Anderson a few years and he'll be undroppable for England.
He's got that attitude that tells you he's only going to get better and better.
RIP Meatloaf <3
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10251 Posts
August 29 2025 17:05 GMT
#1620
Yeah Anderson was an auto include. He's going to be very very good. Sad for Forest if he's gonna be poached next season or something by a big 6 team, because I can see it happen.
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