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Duno if anyone has seen John McGinn's red against Spurs, was such a blatant hatchet job that it made me laugh, especially when he's surprised to get a red!
@firebolt not really to be honest. I loved it when it was still the NSL, all the teams had an identity and culture. Then they rebranded as the A League and restructured it with "franchises" and it became soulless. The only interest is seeing what stupid shit the Melbourne Victory ultras get up to each week
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Something I just read:
"Klopp could do what Pep has done, but Pep could not do what Klopp has done."
While probably not 100% true I think this is one of the truest statements regarding the two.What Klopp has done this season with the full rebuild is just insane tbh.
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On March 11 2024 07:23 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah but the shit balances out, last week Liverpool got the most ridiculous decision in there favour which gained them 2 points, this week goes against them to deny them 2 points.
Also its irrelevant either way, all they needed to do was avoid defeat, if they win there next 10 games they will win the league as they will out score Arsenal and City will be given a right going over by Pep for that 2nd half performance to beat Arsenal at home.
What ridiculous decision? You mean the same decision that Forest benefitted from earlier in the game for the same shit where a player gets hit in the head in their own box and it was a drop ball to the keeper? Huh? Are we seriously doing this?
What do you mean balances out when we've lost two pens against our title rivals and a legitimate goal that was simply ruled off with no recourse?
Ok sure, take away the Forest 2 points, we're looking at a potential 5 point swing from just the Spurs, Arsenal, and City games. Balances out my ass dude.
2 points in a 3 way title race is irrelevant? What are you smoking..
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Besides all of that nonsense, the game was magical and I lost my voice at the pub watching this game. Endo and Macca pocketed the City midfield. Not sure when the last time a team actually rattled City to their core and had them playing scared football. So proud of our entire squad. Yeah, Diaz should've scored at least one and we really missed Jota for a more clinical finisher, but to come in with 4 non-starters in Quansah, Bradley, Elliott, and Kelleher, and have all 4 of them play like they belonged, was outstanding. Anfield was magical that night, sucks that another shitty reffing decision costs us against title rivals but we move on. No PL games until after the break when we get our reinforcements back. Klopp is pound for pound one of the GOAT managers. No other manager would be able to get their side to continue to play at such a high level with these injuries.
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On March 12 2024 03:36 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 07:23 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah but the shit balances out, last week Liverpool got the most ridiculous decision in there favour which gained them 2 points, this week goes against them to deny them 2 points.
Also its irrelevant either way, all they needed to do was avoid defeat, if they win there next 10 games they will win the league as they will out score Arsenal and City will be given a right going over by Pep for that 2nd half performance to beat Arsenal at home. What ridiculous decision? You mean the same decision that Forest benefitted from earlier in the game for the same shit where a player gets hit in the head in their own box and it was a drop ball to the keeper?
OK as a Forest fan I'm going to argue this point with you.
Yes, the ref made the same stupid decision twice in the game.
That decision, to take the ball off the attacking team and give it to the other team, is VERY different in the first half than it is with 2 minutes to go in the game.
Th final two minutes may have looked very different if Forest had been allowed to keep the ball near Liverpool's corner flag at 0-0 with 2 minutes left. The same decision in the first half doesn't affect the rest of the game nearly as much.
Either way it was a decision based on Tierney not knowing the rules of the game (the fact that he did it twice shows this even more clearly) and as a Forest fan I think we have a right to be aggrieved by it, and so do Liverpool's competitors at the top end, because the refereeing incompetence has completely changed that game at a vital point., resulting in an extra 2 points for Liverpool.
And yeah, I know people will say we should have defended it better, and that is perfectly true (on Forest forums most of the talk was about Hudson-Odoi and Awoniyi trying to dribble it out of our box with seconds left on the clock) , but it doesn't lessen the point about refereeing incompetence, and it doesn't mean that the decision didn't completely change those last 2 minutes.
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On March 12 2024 03:55 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 03:36 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 11 2024 07:23 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah but the shit balances out, last week Liverpool got the most ridiculous decision in there favour which gained them 2 points, this week goes against them to deny them 2 points.
Also its irrelevant either way, all they needed to do was avoid defeat, if they win there next 10 games they will win the league as they will out score Arsenal and City will be given a right going over by Pep for that 2nd half performance to beat Arsenal at home. What ridiculous decision? You mean the same decision that Forest benefitted from earlier in the game for the same shit where a player gets hit in the head in their own box and it was a drop ball to the keeper? OK as a Forest fan I'm going to argue this point with you. Yes, the ref made the same stupid decision twice in the game. That decision, to take the ball off the attacking team and give it to the other team, is VERY different in the first half than it is with 2 minutes to go in the game. Th final two minutes may have looked very different if Forest had been allowed to keep the ball near Liverpool's corner flag at 0-0 with 2 minutes left. The same decision in the first half doesn't affect the rest of the game nearly as much. Either way it was a decision based on Tierney not knowing the rules of the game (the fact that he did it twice shows this even more clearly) and as a Forest fan I think we have a right to be aggrieved by it, and so do Liverpool's competitors at the top end, because the refereeing incompetence has completely changed that game at a vital point., resulting in an extra 2 points for Liverpool. And yeah, I know people will say we should have defended it better, and that is perfectly true (on Forest forums most of the talk was about Hudson-Odoi and Awoniyi trying to dribble it out of our box with seconds left on the clock) , but it doesn't lessen the point about refereeing incompetence, and it doesn't mean that the decision didn't completely change those last 2 minutes.
The drop ball isn't the direct reason for you guys getting scored on anyways which you admit yourself, compared to a literal boot to the chest in the dying seconds of the game would mean a stonewall penalty to win the game outright with no counter attack potential from City since the game would've ended immediately after the pen was taken (see Brighton vs Manu from last season).
I love all the handwaving saying, yeah we benefitted from this in the first half, but it's different so we just ignore what happened in the first half, as if Liverpool weren't also attacking in that moment when the drop ball was awarded to Forest too.
We'll see anyways at the end of the season if the shit decisions were actually "balanced" as Pande wants to pretend or if we're going to be screwed as we usually are. Always fun how City usually always get the advantage from suspect decisions.
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On March 12 2024 04:23 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 03:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2024 03:36 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 11 2024 07:23 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah but the shit balances out, last week Liverpool got the most ridiculous decision in there favour which gained them 2 points, this week goes against them to deny them 2 points.
Also its irrelevant either way, all they needed to do was avoid defeat, if they win there next 10 games they will win the league as they will out score Arsenal and City will be given a right going over by Pep for that 2nd half performance to beat Arsenal at home. What ridiculous decision? You mean the same decision that Forest benefitted from earlier in the game for the same shit where a player gets hit in the head in their own box and it was a drop ball to the keeper? OK as a Forest fan I'm going to argue this point with you. Yes, the ref made the same stupid decision twice in the game. That decision, to take the ball off the attacking team and give it to the other team, is VERY different in the first half than it is with 2 minutes to go in the game. Th final two minutes may have looked very different if Forest had been allowed to keep the ball near Liverpool's corner flag at 0-0 with 2 minutes left. The same decision in the first half doesn't affect the rest of the game nearly as much. Either way it was a decision based on Tierney not knowing the rules of the game (the fact that he did it twice shows this even more clearly) and as a Forest fan I think we have a right to be aggrieved by it, and so do Liverpool's competitors at the top end, because the refereeing incompetence has completely changed that game at a vital point., resulting in an extra 2 points for Liverpool. And yeah, I know people will say we should have defended it better, and that is perfectly true (on Forest forums most of the talk was about Hudson-Odoi and Awoniyi trying to dribble it out of our box with seconds left on the clock) , but it doesn't lessen the point about refereeing incompetence, and it doesn't mean that the decision didn't completely change those last 2 minutes. The drop ball isn't the direct reason for you guys getting scored on anyways which you admit yourself, compared to a literal boot to the chest in the dying seconds of the game would mean a stonewall penalty to win the game outright with no counter attack potential from City since the game would've ended immediately after the pen was taken (see Brighton vs Manu from last season). I love all the handwaving saying, yeah we benefitted from this in the first half, but it's different so we just ignore what happened in the first half, as if Liverpool weren't also attacking in that moment when the drop ball was awarded to Forest too. We'll see anyways at the end of the season if the shit decisions were actually "balanced" as Pande wants to pretend or if we're going to be screwed as we usually are. Always fun how City usually always get the advantage from suspect decisions.
So wait you think the ref should be allowed to play the game by any rules they choose as long as they apply to both teams equally?
Personally I think the ref should stick to the rules of the game but each to their own I suppose, if it means Liverpool get a cheeky win.
With 2 minutes left in a game, a decision like that is fucking ridiculous and you know it. Like you are saying with the City one, decisions mean much more right at the end of a match.
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On March 12 2024 03:13 sharkie wrote:
Something I just read:
"Klopp could do what Pep has done, but Pep could not do what Klopp has done."
While probably not 100% true I think this is one of the truest statements regarding the two.What Klopp has done this season with the full rebuild is just insane tbh.
I don’t think it’s true at all, there’s this perception that Pep just goes around buying top players and slots them in, that completely ignores his record in bringing through young players, improving his existing players and converting players successfully to new roles.
It might take him time, provided conditions are right I could absolutely see him absolutely building a team up over a couple of years. I mean let’s also not kid ourselves it’s not like Klopp took Nottingham Forest to European glory, perhaps not in the greatest of shape when he took over, we are talking pretty big fish in Liverpool and Dortmund.
You can improve a big club too, aside from European mishaps Pep has done that in his gigs so far. I mean City went from a contender who won a few leagues under very creditable coaches to a relentless machine who are posting 90 points a season, are generally going deep in all competitions they’re involved with, every reason.
Full credit for Klopp (and Liverpool’s recruiting team) though the rebuild has certainly been a very smooth one, and his tenure has been fantastic. He definitely has some attributes Pep doesn’t have, he’s a very overtly charismatic leader of people, he’s very likeable (to most sensible folks), the kind of person who can really galvanise the whole club with his energy, hell, galvanise a city!
I’m honestly not sure what either of these two will do next, I just hope it’s not at some already succeeding mega-club.
There’s zero chance IMO Klopp takes an English job, he’d patently be a ridiculously good fit for United. Howe’s done a great job thus far at Newcastle, but I can absolutely see Klopp thrive in that sleeping giant, one club, one city obsessed with the club environment.
A German one also feels unlikely, and they always say you shouldn’t go back, so I think he steers clear. Spain? To me the natural Klopp fit is Athletico, if Simeone ever leaves. Not a complete dark horse, but not a perennial winner either. While some fans enjoy their identity and style of football, there’s some appetite for a bit more excitement and aesthetically pleasing football too that Klopp could deliver.
France? I don’t see either of them interested in taking a PSG gig that will do nothing to really bolster their legacy or reputation, especially Pep given its yet another dominant club. On the flip side, PSG may be that bit too dominant to see the prospect of trying to topple that financial advantage as particularly attractive. If PSG weren’t so far ahead of the field there, I can 100% see Klopp fitting like a glove in the cauldron of passion that is Marseilles
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No. Dortmund was not big fish when Klopp took over. I think sometimes International fans dont realise what Klopp did at Dortmund. They were totally on the way to mediocrity in the Bundesliga. Barely clinging on the top half of the table if at all. If you think big clubs are too big to fail look at Hamburg, Hertha, Schalke. Once you reach the bottom its super difficult to get up again. Dortmund could have gone that path.
Yet they didnt. They became German champions and then became one of the big fish again. If you think what Klopp did with Dortmund is not some sort of fairy tale then read some football history. Dortmund had no money, no players and there was no hope in the city. He together with Watzke and Zorc made Dortmund a German force again. They are still riding the wave he has created since then.
Dortmund needed to fire their coach twice in a season to avoid relegation two years before Klopp came and finished 13th the year before he came
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Aye you make fair points, by ‘big fish’ I mean a historically big club, big support and all that good stuff.
You’re 100% right that people are coloured by Dortmund post-Klopp basically being Germany’s de facto second most-competitive team.
They did have a shocking period after the late 90s/early 2000s after, winning the Champion’s League and their last Bundesliga and having huge financial problems due to pissing away money ill-advisedly. True story, when actual bankruptcy was a very present danger, Bayern actually helped bail them out. I’m unsure if they’re the sole Bundesliga that did so, but I can’t see that happening in many a league.
I don’t mean to downplay Klopp’s chops here at all, he’s absolutely got that X factor. Just to be clear!
Although gotta throw some love to the recruitment boys, as you have as well. I’m unsure if the ratio was quite as good at Dortmund but at Liverpool there have been so few outright misses, especially when big outlays are involved.
Of course it’s not like Klopp isn’t part of that process too and isn’t due some credit himself too, but we’re in an age where directors of football and recruitment specialists are huge too.
Liverpool have barely kept in touch with City despite almost all of their transfer business for a good 5/6 years being top notch. They just outright wouldn’t have with even a few bad windows and disastrous big money moves.
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Dunno if anyone saw this in Serie A. Lecce's coach got sacked for headbutting an opposing player
Serie A side Lecce have sacked head coach Roberto D’Aversa after he appeared to headbutt Hellas Verona’s Thomas Henry following the full-time whistle during Sunday’s meeting between the sides.
D’Aversa and Verona forward Henry were both shown a red card by referee Daniele Chiffi.
Lecce released a statement in which they “strongly condemned” D’Aversa’s actions, adding that they were “contrary to the principles and values of sport”.
“After the events that occurred at the end of the Lecce-Verona match, US Lecce announces that it has relieved coach Roberto D’Aversa of his duties,” a second Lecce statement on Monday morning read. “Thanks go to the coach and his staff for the work done.”
The Athletic article
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On March 12 2024 04:31 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 04:23 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 12 2024 03:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2024 03:36 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 11 2024 07:23 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah but the shit balances out, last week Liverpool got the most ridiculous decision in there favour which gained them 2 points, this week goes against them to deny them 2 points.
Also its irrelevant either way, all they needed to do was avoid defeat, if they win there next 10 games they will win the league as they will out score Arsenal and City will be given a right going over by Pep for that 2nd half performance to beat Arsenal at home. What ridiculous decision? You mean the same decision that Forest benefitted from earlier in the game for the same shit where a player gets hit in the head in their own box and it was a drop ball to the keeper? OK as a Forest fan I'm going to argue this point with you. Yes, the ref made the same stupid decision twice in the game. That decision, to take the ball off the attacking team and give it to the other team, is VERY different in the first half than it is with 2 minutes to go in the game. Th final two minutes may have looked very different if Forest had been allowed to keep the ball near Liverpool's corner flag at 0-0 with 2 minutes left. The same decision in the first half doesn't affect the rest of the game nearly as much. Either way it was a decision based on Tierney not knowing the rules of the game (the fact that he did it twice shows this even more clearly) and as a Forest fan I think we have a right to be aggrieved by it, and so do Liverpool's competitors at the top end, because the refereeing incompetence has completely changed that game at a vital point., resulting in an extra 2 points for Liverpool. And yeah, I know people will say we should have defended it better, and that is perfectly true (on Forest forums most of the talk was about Hudson-Odoi and Awoniyi trying to dribble it out of our box with seconds left on the clock) , but it doesn't lessen the point about refereeing incompetence, and it doesn't mean that the decision didn't completely change those last 2 minutes. The drop ball isn't the direct reason for you guys getting scored on anyways which you admit yourself, compared to a literal boot to the chest in the dying seconds of the game would mean a stonewall penalty to win the game outright with no counter attack potential from City since the game would've ended immediately after the pen was taken (see Brighton vs Manu from last season). I love all the handwaving saying, yeah we benefitted from this in the first half, but it's different so we just ignore what happened in the first half, as if Liverpool weren't also attacking in that moment when the drop ball was awarded to Forest too. We'll see anyways at the end of the season if the shit decisions were actually "balanced" as Pande wants to pretend or if we're going to be screwed as we usually are. Always fun how City usually always get the advantage from suspect decisions. So wait you think the ref should be allowed to play the game by any rules they choose as long as they apply to both teams equally? Personally I think the ref should stick to the rules of the game but each to their own I suppose, if it means Liverpool get a cheeky win. With 2 minutes left in a game, a decision like that is fucking ridiculous and you know it. Like you are saying with the City one, decisions mean much more right at the end of a match.
If the ref incorrectly applies a rule consistently, and that's how a game in a vacuum is played, so be it. It happens all the time in every sport. Just look at basketball and their non-calls for travel violations. The rule is incorrectly applied, but it's applied consistently. You're trying to say that you'd rather just your team benefit from an incorrect application to the rule, but suddenly when you're on the other end of the stick it's not ok anymore? Yeah sounds about right.
A drop ball with 2 minutes left from the other side of the field compared to a stonewall penalty and borderline red card offense on the very last seconds of play are two totally different things and you know it. Should've defended better and not tried to play out from the back when your players had the ball. Sucks to suck.
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TIL Porto is in something of a political crisis and Andre Villas-Boas is running for President, quite interesting stuff.
I’ve always found him quite a fascinating character with an interesting background, he doesn’t have that career as a player. There’s nobility not too far removed so it’s not that he’s not from a working class background. which in itself is somewhat notable, but he’s rather distant indeed. Plus the whole ‘fuck this I’m going to be a rally driver’ period.
I mean a football man who came from a salubrious background isn’t unheard of, but quite rare. Gianluca Vialli spent his formative years in a huge stately house for one. And progeny of footballers may have the wealth if not the cultural trappings (at least in the British conception of class, which I realise isn’t universal). But it’s pretty damn rare for someone to come from money, skip the being a player stage and decide to be a football coach rather than go into more traditional industries for the middle/upper class. Indeed, I can’t really think of another off the top of my head, certainly not in modern times.
Wonder how it plays out!
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On March 13 2024 00:13 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 04:31 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2024 04:23 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 12 2024 03:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2024 03:36 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 11 2024 07:23 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah but the shit balances out, last week Liverpool got the most ridiculous decision in there favour which gained them 2 points, this week goes against them to deny them 2 points.
Also its irrelevant either way, all they needed to do was avoid defeat, if they win there next 10 games they will win the league as they will out score Arsenal and City will be given a right going over by Pep for that 2nd half performance to beat Arsenal at home. What ridiculous decision? You mean the same decision that Forest benefitted from earlier in the game for the same shit where a player gets hit in the head in their own box and it was a drop ball to the keeper? OK as a Forest fan I'm going to argue this point with you. Yes, the ref made the same stupid decision twice in the game. That decision, to take the ball off the attacking team and give it to the other team, is VERY different in the first half than it is with 2 minutes to go in the game. Th final two minutes may have looked very different if Forest had been allowed to keep the ball near Liverpool's corner flag at 0-0 with 2 minutes left. The same decision in the first half doesn't affect the rest of the game nearly as much. Either way it was a decision based on Tierney not knowing the rules of the game (the fact that he did it twice shows this even more clearly) and as a Forest fan I think we have a right to be aggrieved by it, and so do Liverpool's competitors at the top end, because the refereeing incompetence has completely changed that game at a vital point., resulting in an extra 2 points for Liverpool. And yeah, I know people will say we should have defended it better, and that is perfectly true (on Forest forums most of the talk was about Hudson-Odoi and Awoniyi trying to dribble it out of our box with seconds left on the clock) , but it doesn't lessen the point about refereeing incompetence, and it doesn't mean that the decision didn't completely change those last 2 minutes. The drop ball isn't the direct reason for you guys getting scored on anyways which you admit yourself, compared to a literal boot to the chest in the dying seconds of the game would mean a stonewall penalty to win the game outright with no counter attack potential from City since the game would've ended immediately after the pen was taken (see Brighton vs Manu from last season). I love all the handwaving saying, yeah we benefitted from this in the first half, but it's different so we just ignore what happened in the first half, as if Liverpool weren't also attacking in that moment when the drop ball was awarded to Forest too. We'll see anyways at the end of the season if the shit decisions were actually "balanced" as Pande wants to pretend or if we're going to be screwed as we usually are. Always fun how City usually always get the advantage from suspect decisions. So wait you think the ref should be allowed to play the game by any rules they choose as long as they apply to both teams equally? Personally I think the ref should stick to the rules of the game but each to their own I suppose, if it means Liverpool get a cheeky win. With 2 minutes left in a game, a decision like that is fucking ridiculous and you know it. Like you are saying with the City one, decisions mean much more right at the end of a match. If the ref incorrectly applies a rule consistently, and that's how a game in a vacuum is played, so be it. It happens all the time in every sport. Just look at basketball and their non-calls for travel violations. The rule is incorrectly applied, but it's applied consistently. You're trying to say that you'd rather just your team benefit from an incorrect application to the rule, but suddenly when you're on the other end of the stick it's not ok anymore? Yeah sounds about right. A drop ball with 2 minutes left from the other side of the field compared to a stonewall penalty and borderline red card offense on the very last seconds of play are two totally different things and you know it. Should've defended better and not tried to play out from the back when your players had the ball. Sucks to suck.
I suppose if you're really that tied to this pathetic, snivelling Liverpool victim narrative they manage conjure up every year about different things that you can't even acknowledge when a bad decision goes your way that's kinda your problem.
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On March 13 2024 02:32 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 00:13 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 12 2024 04:31 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2024 04:23 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 12 2024 03:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2024 03:36 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 11 2024 07:23 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah but the shit balances out, last week Liverpool got the most ridiculous decision in there favour which gained them 2 points, this week goes against them to deny them 2 points.
Also its irrelevant either way, all they needed to do was avoid defeat, if they win there next 10 games they will win the league as they will out score Arsenal and City will be given a right going over by Pep for that 2nd half performance to beat Arsenal at home. What ridiculous decision? You mean the same decision that Forest benefitted from earlier in the game for the same shit where a player gets hit in the head in their own box and it was a drop ball to the keeper? OK as a Forest fan I'm going to argue this point with you. Yes, the ref made the same stupid decision twice in the game. That decision, to take the ball off the attacking team and give it to the other team, is VERY different in the first half than it is with 2 minutes to go in the game. Th final two minutes may have looked very different if Forest had been allowed to keep the ball near Liverpool's corner flag at 0-0 with 2 minutes left. The same decision in the first half doesn't affect the rest of the game nearly as much. Either way it was a decision based on Tierney not knowing the rules of the game (the fact that he did it twice shows this even more clearly) and as a Forest fan I think we have a right to be aggrieved by it, and so do Liverpool's competitors at the top end, because the refereeing incompetence has completely changed that game at a vital point., resulting in an extra 2 points for Liverpool. And yeah, I know people will say we should have defended it better, and that is perfectly true (on Forest forums most of the talk was about Hudson-Odoi and Awoniyi trying to dribble it out of our box with seconds left on the clock) , but it doesn't lessen the point about refereeing incompetence, and it doesn't mean that the decision didn't completely change those last 2 minutes. The drop ball isn't the direct reason for you guys getting scored on anyways which you admit yourself, compared to a literal boot to the chest in the dying seconds of the game would mean a stonewall penalty to win the game outright with no counter attack potential from City since the game would've ended immediately after the pen was taken (see Brighton vs Manu from last season). I love all the handwaving saying, yeah we benefitted from this in the first half, but it's different so we just ignore what happened in the first half, as if Liverpool weren't also attacking in that moment when the drop ball was awarded to Forest too. We'll see anyways at the end of the season if the shit decisions were actually "balanced" as Pande wants to pretend or if we're going to be screwed as we usually are. Always fun how City usually always get the advantage from suspect decisions. So wait you think the ref should be allowed to play the game by any rules they choose as long as they apply to both teams equally? Personally I think the ref should stick to the rules of the game but each to their own I suppose, if it means Liverpool get a cheeky win. With 2 minutes left in a game, a decision like that is fucking ridiculous and you know it. Like you are saying with the City one, decisions mean much more right at the end of a match. If the ref incorrectly applies a rule consistently, and that's how a game in a vacuum is played, so be it. It happens all the time in every sport. Just look at basketball and their non-calls for travel violations. The rule is incorrectly applied, but it's applied consistently. You're trying to say that you'd rather just your team benefit from an incorrect application to the rule, but suddenly when you're on the other end of the stick it's not ok anymore? Yeah sounds about right. A drop ball with 2 minutes left from the other side of the field compared to a stonewall penalty and borderline red card offense on the very last seconds of play are two totally different things and you know it. Should've defended better and not tried to play out from the back when your players had the ball. Sucks to suck. I suppose if you're really that tied to this pathetic, snivelling Liverpool victim narrative they manage conjure up every year about different things that you can't even acknowledge when a bad decision goes your way that's kinda your problem.
Great use of Hillsborough in your comment. Lovely person you are mate.
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On March 13 2024 03:25 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 02:32 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 13 2024 00:13 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 12 2024 04:31 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2024 04:23 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 12 2024 03:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2024 03:36 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 11 2024 07:23 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah but the shit balances out, last week Liverpool got the most ridiculous decision in there favour which gained them 2 points, this week goes against them to deny them 2 points.
Also its irrelevant either way, all they needed to do was avoid defeat, if they win there next 10 games they will win the league as they will out score Arsenal and City will be given a right going over by Pep for that 2nd half performance to beat Arsenal at home. What ridiculous decision? You mean the same decision that Forest benefitted from earlier in the game for the same shit where a player gets hit in the head in their own box and it was a drop ball to the keeper? OK as a Forest fan I'm going to argue this point with you. Yes, the ref made the same stupid decision twice in the game. That decision, to take the ball off the attacking team and give it to the other team, is VERY different in the first half than it is with 2 minutes to go in the game. Th final two minutes may have looked very different if Forest had been allowed to keep the ball near Liverpool's corner flag at 0-0 with 2 minutes left. The same decision in the first half doesn't affect the rest of the game nearly as much. Either way it was a decision based on Tierney not knowing the rules of the game (the fact that he did it twice shows this even more clearly) and as a Forest fan I think we have a right to be aggrieved by it, and so do Liverpool's competitors at the top end, because the refereeing incompetence has completely changed that game at a vital point., resulting in an extra 2 points for Liverpool. And yeah, I know people will say we should have defended it better, and that is perfectly true (on Forest forums most of the talk was about Hudson-Odoi and Awoniyi trying to dribble it out of our box with seconds left on the clock) , but it doesn't lessen the point about refereeing incompetence, and it doesn't mean that the decision didn't completely change those last 2 minutes. The drop ball isn't the direct reason for you guys getting scored on anyways which you admit yourself, compared to a literal boot to the chest in the dying seconds of the game would mean a stonewall penalty to win the game outright with no counter attack potential from City since the game would've ended immediately after the pen was taken (see Brighton vs Manu from last season). I love all the handwaving saying, yeah we benefitted from this in the first half, but it's different so we just ignore what happened in the first half, as if Liverpool weren't also attacking in that moment when the drop ball was awarded to Forest too. We'll see anyways at the end of the season if the shit decisions were actually "balanced" as Pande wants to pretend or if we're going to be screwed as we usually are. Always fun how City usually always get the advantage from suspect decisions. So wait you think the ref should be allowed to play the game by any rules they choose as long as they apply to both teams equally? Personally I think the ref should stick to the rules of the game but each to their own I suppose, if it means Liverpool get a cheeky win. With 2 minutes left in a game, a decision like that is fucking ridiculous and you know it. Like you are saying with the City one, decisions mean much more right at the end of a match. If the ref incorrectly applies a rule consistently, and that's how a game in a vacuum is played, so be it. It happens all the time in every sport. Just look at basketball and their non-calls for travel violations. The rule is incorrectly applied, but it's applied consistently. You're trying to say that you'd rather just your team benefit from an incorrect application to the rule, but suddenly when you're on the other end of the stick it's not ok anymore? Yeah sounds about right. A drop ball with 2 minutes left from the other side of the field compared to a stonewall penalty and borderline red card offense on the very last seconds of play are two totally different things and you know it. Should've defended better and not tried to play out from the back when your players had the ball. Sucks to suck. I suppose if you're really that tied to this pathetic, snivelling Liverpool victim narrative they manage conjure up every year about different things that you can't even acknowledge when a bad decision goes your way that's kinda your problem. Great use of Hillsborough in your comment. Lovely person you are mate.
Nothing to do with Hillsborough at all. My mum was AT Hillsborough, i wouldn't joke about it or use it against someone. Just Liverpool fans bitching and moaning every single season about things that have happened that season. Nice use of Hillsborough as an excuse though, and from America even, where you probably never heard of it until the last few years.
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Northern Ireland27230 Posts
Too many fans weaponise Hillsborough, or blame Liverpool fans for the issues at that CL final despite literally every body going exonerating them.
That said I really don’t think Jock was invoking the ‘always the victims’ line that I personally consider repugnant and was merely talking on purely footballing matters.
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On March 13 2024 03:25 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 02:32 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 13 2024 00:13 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 12 2024 04:31 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2024 04:23 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 12 2024 03:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2024 03:36 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 11 2024 07:23 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah but the shit balances out, last week Liverpool got the most ridiculous decision in there favour which gained them 2 points, this week goes against them to deny them 2 points.
Also its irrelevant either way, all they needed to do was avoid defeat, if they win there next 10 games they will win the league as they will out score Arsenal and City will be given a right going over by Pep for that 2nd half performance to beat Arsenal at home. What ridiculous decision? You mean the same decision that Forest benefitted from earlier in the game for the same shit where a player gets hit in the head in their own box and it was a drop ball to the keeper? OK as a Forest fan I'm going to argue this point with you. Yes, the ref made the same stupid decision twice in the game. That decision, to take the ball off the attacking team and give it to the other team, is VERY different in the first half than it is with 2 minutes to go in the game. Th final two minutes may have looked very different if Forest had been allowed to keep the ball near Liverpool's corner flag at 0-0 with 2 minutes left. The same decision in the first half doesn't affect the rest of the game nearly as much. Either way it was a decision based on Tierney not knowing the rules of the game (the fact that he did it twice shows this even more clearly) and as a Forest fan I think we have a right to be aggrieved by it, and so do Liverpool's competitors at the top end, because the refereeing incompetence has completely changed that game at a vital point., resulting in an extra 2 points for Liverpool. And yeah, I know people will say we should have defended it better, and that is perfectly true (on Forest forums most of the talk was about Hudson-Odoi and Awoniyi trying to dribble it out of our box with seconds left on the clock) , but it doesn't lessen the point about refereeing incompetence, and it doesn't mean that the decision didn't completely change those last 2 minutes. The drop ball isn't the direct reason for you guys getting scored on anyways which you admit yourself, compared to a literal boot to the chest in the dying seconds of the game would mean a stonewall penalty to win the game outright with no counter attack potential from City since the game would've ended immediately after the pen was taken (see Brighton vs Manu from last season). I love all the handwaving saying, yeah we benefitted from this in the first half, but it's different so we just ignore what happened in the first half, as if Liverpool weren't also attacking in that moment when the drop ball was awarded to Forest too. We'll see anyways at the end of the season if the shit decisions were actually "balanced" as Pande wants to pretend or if we're going to be screwed as we usually are. Always fun how City usually always get the advantage from suspect decisions. So wait you think the ref should be allowed to play the game by any rules they choose as long as they apply to both teams equally? Personally I think the ref should stick to the rules of the game but each to their own I suppose, if it means Liverpool get a cheeky win. With 2 minutes left in a game, a decision like that is fucking ridiculous and you know it. Like you are saying with the City one, decisions mean much more right at the end of a match. If the ref incorrectly applies a rule consistently, and that's how a game in a vacuum is played, so be it. It happens all the time in every sport. Just look at basketball and their non-calls for travel violations. The rule is incorrectly applied, but it's applied consistently. You're trying to say that you'd rather just your team benefit from an incorrect application to the rule, but suddenly when you're on the other end of the stick it's not ok anymore? Yeah sounds about right. A drop ball with 2 minutes left from the other side of the field compared to a stonewall penalty and borderline red card offense on the very last seconds of play are two totally different things and you know it. Should've defended better and not tried to play out from the back when your players had the ball. Sucks to suck. I suppose if you're really that tied to this pathetic, snivelling Liverpool victim narrative they manage conjure up every year about different things that you can't even acknowledge when a bad decision goes your way that's kinda your problem. Great use of Hillsborough in your comment. Lovely person you are mate.
that's not warranted at all.
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Northern Ireland27230 Posts
On March 13 2024 05:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 03:25 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 13 2024 02:32 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 13 2024 00:13 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 12 2024 04:31 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2024 04:23 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 12 2024 03:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2024 03:36 FlaShFTW wrote:On March 11 2024 07:23 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah but the shit balances out, last week Liverpool got the most ridiculous decision in there favour which gained them 2 points, this week goes against them to deny them 2 points.
Also its irrelevant either way, all they needed to do was avoid defeat, if they win there next 10 games they will win the league as they will out score Arsenal and City will be given a right going over by Pep for that 2nd half performance to beat Arsenal at home. What ridiculous decision? You mean the same decision that Forest benefitted from earlier in the game for the same shit where a player gets hit in the head in their own box and it was a drop ball to the keeper? OK as a Forest fan I'm going to argue this point with you. Yes, the ref made the same stupid decision twice in the game. That decision, to take the ball off the attacking team and give it to the other team, is VERY different in the first half than it is with 2 minutes to go in the game. Th final two minutes may have looked very different if Forest had been allowed to keep the ball near Liverpool's corner flag at 0-0 with 2 minutes left. The same decision in the first half doesn't affect the rest of the game nearly as much. Either way it was a decision based on Tierney not knowing the rules of the game (the fact that he did it twice shows this even more clearly) and as a Forest fan I think we have a right to be aggrieved by it, and so do Liverpool's competitors at the top end, because the refereeing incompetence has completely changed that game at a vital point., resulting in an extra 2 points for Liverpool. And yeah, I know people will say we should have defended it better, and that is perfectly true (on Forest forums most of the talk was about Hudson-Odoi and Awoniyi trying to dribble it out of our box with seconds left on the clock) , but it doesn't lessen the point about refereeing incompetence, and it doesn't mean that the decision didn't completely change those last 2 minutes. The drop ball isn't the direct reason for you guys getting scored on anyways which you admit yourself, compared to a literal boot to the chest in the dying seconds of the game would mean a stonewall penalty to win the game outright with no counter attack potential from City since the game would've ended immediately after the pen was taken (see Brighton vs Manu from last season). I love all the handwaving saying, yeah we benefitted from this in the first half, but it's different so we just ignore what happened in the first half, as if Liverpool weren't also attacking in that moment when the drop ball was awarded to Forest too. We'll see anyways at the end of the season if the shit decisions were actually "balanced" as Pande wants to pretend or if we're going to be screwed as we usually are. Always fun how City usually always get the advantage from suspect decisions. So wait you think the ref should be allowed to play the game by any rules they choose as long as they apply to both teams equally? Personally I think the ref should stick to the rules of the game but each to their own I suppose, if it means Liverpool get a cheeky win. With 2 minutes left in a game, a decision like that is fucking ridiculous and you know it. Like you are saying with the City one, decisions mean much more right at the end of a match. If the ref incorrectly applies a rule consistently, and that's how a game in a vacuum is played, so be it. It happens all the time in every sport. Just look at basketball and their non-calls for travel violations. The rule is incorrectly applied, but it's applied consistently. You're trying to say that you'd rather just your team benefit from an incorrect application to the rule, but suddenly when you're on the other end of the stick it's not ok anymore? Yeah sounds about right. A drop ball with 2 minutes left from the other side of the field compared to a stonewall penalty and borderline red card offense on the very last seconds of play are two totally different things and you know it. Should've defended better and not tried to play out from the back when your players had the ball. Sucks to suck. I suppose if you're really that tied to this pathetic, snivelling Liverpool victim narrative they manage conjure up every year about different things that you can't even acknowledge when a bad decision goes your way that's kinda your problem. Great use of Hillsborough in your comment. Lovely person you are mate. that's not warranted at all.
As a UK dweller ‘always the victim’ is a super, super common turn of phrase and Hillsborough is usually invoked, even if implicitly. Despite the well, mountains of evidence on that incident.
I’m not saying it was intended here, at all, but given the prevalence of the phrase, employed in a derogatory manner I can see how there might be some crossed wires.
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On March 13 2024 00:33 WombaT wrote:TIL Porto is in something of a political crisis and Andre Villas-Boas is running for President, quite interesting stuff. I’ve always found him quite a fascinating character with an interesting background, he doesn’t have that career as a player. There’s nobility not too far removed so it’s not that he’s not from a working class background. which in itself is somewhat notable, but he’s rather distant indeed. Plus the whole ‘fuck this I’m going to be a rally driver’ period. I mean a football man who came from a salubrious background isn’t unheard of, but quite rare. Gianluca Vialli spent his formative years in a huge stately house for one. And progeny of footballers may have the wealth if not the cultural trappings (at least in the British conception of class, which I realise isn’t universal). But it’s pretty damn rare for someone to come from money, skip the being a player stage and decide to be a football coach rather than go into more traditional industries for the middle/upper class. Indeed, I can’t really think of another off the top of my head, certainly not in modern times. Wonder how it plays out!
Current president turned the club into what it is but at some point the money him and his friends/Family were taking from us went overboard. We are now in a very dire financial situation and our coach has to work miracles every year to field a working and competitive 11. Thats why i said some months ago that if this Porto arsenal tie was last year, you guys dismissing this as a clear arsenal win would be surprised. Even the team we have this year is fighting for it but the lack of bench and a few injuries is showing...
But back to vilas boas, he is a candidate that has promised to get things back on track, to clean the club and have all the shady backstage stuff go away. As well as making commissions and crap the club is paying to individuals much more transparent.
The legacy of the president with more titles in football history will be hard to overcome, but André has a good shot of making it.
His (AVB) Porto team is still the bar to which we measure what a successful Porto team is.
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here's a feel good story for the season, the team that beat bayern munich in the dfb pokal (saarbrucken) just beat borussia monchengladbach and is now in the semi-finals against kaiserslauten.
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