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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7195 Posts
February 26 2024 09:05 GMT
#1461
Can't really tell you why but as an "outsider" aka non-english footie fan for me Chelsea is and always was my most hated PL club while Liverpool (and to some extent Arsenal) were always my favorites so I just love how the game went yesterday (obviously not the injury)
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7195 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 13:11:08
February 26 2024 13:04 GMT
#1462
Speaking of Arsenal, my boy Havertz actually doing okay so far:

Premier League
25 Games
6 Goals
2 Assists
268' minutes / Goal
1.603' minutes played
"60 million down the drain, Kai Havertz scores again"

Other topic: If you were Nagelsmann, how'd you play with Kroos back?

Neuer / Ter Stegen

Kimmich - Rüdiger - Tah

Sane - Kroos - Gündogan - Wirtz - Brandt/ Havertz

Füllkrug/ Undav - Musiala

Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18636 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 13:38:57
February 26 2024 13:38 GMT
#1463
On February 26 2024 22:04 Harris1st wrote:
Speaking of Arsenal, my boy Havertz actually doing okay so far:

Premier League
25 Games
6 Goals
2 Assists
268' minutes / Goal
1.603' minutes played
"60 million down the drain, Kai Havertz scores again"

Other topic: If you were Nagelsmann, how'd you play with Kroos back?

Neuer / Ter Stegen

Kimmich - Rüdiger - Tah

Sane - Kroos - Gündogan - Wirtz - Brandt/ Havertz

Füllkrug/ Undav - Musiala



Sane and Brandt/Havertz as wingbacks? Germany will concede loads of goals with that o.o

I would agree on 3-5-2 though. However, I would use real wingbacks not those makeshift ones. I dont plan with Sane because he will miss all preparation friendlies for Germany. He would always come from the bench for me

----
Neuer/Ter Stegen

Tah - Rüdiger - Anton

Henrichs/Kimmich - Gündogan - Wirtz - Kroos - Mittelstädt/Raum

Undav - Musiala
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10397 Posts
February 26 2024 16:21 GMT
#1464
On February 26 2024 18:05 Harris1st wrote:
Can't really tell you why but as an "outsider" aka non-english footie fan for me Chelsea is and always was my most hated PL club while Liverpool (and to some extent Arsenal) were always my favorites so I just love how the game went yesterday (obviously not the injury)

Chelsea are a plastic club that was purchased for Russian political reasons (like all the other oil clubs these days), and weren't anything before the Russian takeover. Follow that with Boehly thinking he can just buy his way out of any problem and a pretty toxic fanbase (not Pande, he's alright), and you come out with a pretty unlikeable club.

Also feels good to have our fans effectively take over Wembley in ET and turn it into a home game. Anfield South is real.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 19:47:06
February 26 2024 19:44 GMT
#1465
As a Liveprool you can't really say that xD

For a start, in the 90s we were in the champions league playing vs Rivaldo and co in champs league, won a european trophy twice, won an fa cup and league cup. We also before Roman bought us, beat Liverpool to 4th spot then Roman bought us that summer and Mourinho joined the following summer.

Roman being ousted was the worse thing to happen to us, every fan would admit, but we were still happy with what we were up to that point, before he came we were about to go bankrupt but our owner at the time was actively trying to sell us, we still had great players, we had half the 98 france world cup team play for us xD
On February 26 2024 22:04 Harris1st wrote:
Speaking of Arsenal, my boy Havertz actually doing okay so far:

Premier League
25 Games
6 Goals
2 Assists
268' minutes / Goal
1.603' minutes played
"60 million down the drain, Kai Havertz scores again"

Other topic: If you were Nagelsmann, how'd you play with Kroos back?

Neuer / Ter Stegen

Kimmich - Rüdiger - Tah

Sane - Kroos - Gündogan - Wirtz - Brandt/ Havertz

Füllkrug/ Undav - Musiala


Juury still out on Havertz it has to be, he missed so many chances vs Newcastle still and was invisible in Porto. He would have ok stats that u post if he was a CM or Winger, but he isn't he is back to playing striker for them again. He still is baffling player which shows up 1 in 3 to remind you he has a nice touch, good feet and sometimes can finish, but he just frustrating, glad he is arsenal problem now.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26775 Posts
February 26 2024 19:55 GMT
#1466
Roman was good for Chelsea, bad for the game overall IMO. Can understand why Chelsea fans have a rather different perspective on it as he was a fantastic steward while he was owner.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 26 2024 19:58 GMT
#1467
Yes, no question he was the beginning for the billionaires trying to buy there way to the top, no question and because of him and city there is shitty FFP i get it, but he didn't do anything wrong for us as an owner, built our academy to be the best in the world and still is one of the best (someone tell boehly ffs!!!!!!) but from the outside it might not look as nice which i concede.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18289 Posts
February 26 2024 20:22 GMT
#1468
On February 27 2024 04:58 Pandemona wrote:
Yes, no question he was the beginning for the billionaires trying to buy there way to the top, no question and because of him and city there is shitty FFP i get it, but he didn't do anything wrong for us as an owner, built our academy to be the best in the world and still is one of the best (someone tell boehly ffs!!!!!!) but from the outside it might not look as nice which i concede.

I remember some dirty business with the academy too. Bunch of Dutch players went to Chelsea academy, mainly from secondary Dutch clubs. Young players with huge potential would previously have gone from Groningen/Utrecht/Alkmaar (the main secondary clubs with good academies) to Amsterdam/Eindhoven/Rotterdam. Now a lot of them were going to Chelsea because they were being offered "contracts" even though that was illegal. Highest profile I can think of was Nathan Ake.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10397 Posts
February 26 2024 20:58 GMT
#1469
On February 27 2024 04:55 WombaT wrote:
Roman was good for Chelsea, bad for the game overall IMO. Can understand why Chelsea fans have a rather different perspective on it as he was a fantastic steward while he was owner.

Pretty much how I stand on it. Good for Chelsea to find success, but again, to outsiders it feels extremely plastic and could be pointed to as where the oil clubs began to assert their money over the sport.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26775 Posts
February 26 2024 21:04 GMT
#1470
If it was Chelsea in isolation, it kinda broke up that Arsenal/United duopoly and added a new force into the league. But I do feel it opened the door for bigger and bigger sugar daddies, until we ended up with bloody nation states at it!

Part of why Wenger was so irked it to the degree he may have coined the phrase ‘financial doping’ was Chelsea completely changed the financial landscape. So Arsenal and Wenger are being frugal, cutting back and investing in the Emirates, and having a few lean years awaiting the promised land.

Except the promised land never came because Chelsea and subsequently City just blew that extra revenue-generating potential of a new stadium out of the water.

Hindsight is always 20/20 and sometimes it doesn’t pay to think long term
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 21:43:52
February 26 2024 21:39 GMT
#1471
On February 27 2024 05:22 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2024 04:58 Pandemona wrote:
Yes, no question he was the beginning for the billionaires trying to buy there way to the top, no question and because of him and city there is shitty FFP i get it, but he didn't do anything wrong for us as an owner, built our academy to be the best in the world and still is one of the best (someone tell boehly ffs!!!!!!) but from the outside it might not look as nice which i concede.

I remember some dirty business with the academy too. Bunch of Dutch players went to Chelsea academy, mainly from secondary Dutch clubs. Young players with huge potential would previously have gone from Groningen/Utrecht/Alkmaar (the main secondary clubs with good academies) to Amsterdam/Eindhoven/Rotterdam. Now a lot of them were going to Chelsea because they were being offered "contracts" even though that was illegal. Highest profile I can think of was Nathan Ake.

Fair enough i can't say we didn't do that, we got alot of punishment for that. We got a 2 window transfer ban for all our contract offerings for the kids, but we still did produce a lot of our own which was down to this investment straight away into our academy, but of course Christensen and Ake stand out as ones we bought in and improved. .

On February 27 2024 06:04 WombaT wrote:
If it was Chelsea in isolation, it kinda broke up that Arsenal/United duopoly and added a new force into the league. But I do feel it opened the door for bigger and bigger sugar daddies, until we ended up with bloody nation states at it!

Part of why Wenger was so irked it to the degree he may have coined the phrase ‘financial doping’ was Chelsea completely changed the financial landscape. So Arsenal and Wenger are being frugal, cutting back and investing in the Emirates, and having a few lean years awaiting the promised land.

Except the promised land never came because Chelsea and subsequently City just blew that extra revenue-generating potential of a new stadium out of the water.

Hindsight is always 20/20 and sometimes it doesn’t pay to think long term
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This is what our silly silly owners need to realise. You cannot "invest" in the future as much as they are doing right now. Imagine getting headlines against you of "klopps kids beats chelsea billions" when the average age of the teams on the pitch at the final whistle was chelsea still 2 years younger.....what does that say about how young and in experience our squad is.

5/11 or maybe 6/11 being good solid "kids" with the rest being all experienced pros would be fine, but they are going to the extreme and add in a very inedpt tactical coach and you have recipes for disaster. If we had Potter we would be doing better than we are now, however we would sill be struggling because this squad is not competing for top 6 anytime soon without some decent experience added to it.

You cannot in football want to "compete" and have children playing for you, it doesn't work and will never in the premier league, way to competiive of a league to be trying this silly tactic.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18636 Posts
February 27 2024 07:37 GMT
#1472
English media keeps praising Endo more and more!

Hes such a beast
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10397 Posts
February 27 2024 17:08 GMT
#1473
On February 27 2024 16:37 sharkie wrote:
English media keeps praising Endo more and more!

Hes such a beast

As he should be. He's been relied upon as much as Gomez this season, and both players were thought to be merely rotation pieces, but have turned out to be incredible. Gomez is our new Milner and Endo has been running his heart out. He's not a perfect DM, hell, I would say he's actually quite average. But his intelligence and hustle really make up for it and his ability to pick out the simple, but line breaking pass is a super underrated part of his game.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51594 Posts
February 27 2024 22:25 GMT
#1474
i can't tell if we have the most injury prone players in the world or our s&c staff are dogshit - maguire out, bruno and and varane doubtful to play.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7195 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-28 08:22:34
February 28 2024 08:20 GMT
#1475
On February 26 2024 22:38 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2024 22:04 Harris1st wrote:
Speaking of Arsenal, my boy Havertz actually doing okay so far:

Premier League
25 Games
6 Goals
2 Assists
268' minutes / Goal
1.603' minutes played
"60 million down the drain, Kai Havertz scores again"

Other topic: If you were Nagelsmann, how'd you play with Kroos back?

Neuer / Ter Stegen

Kimmich - Rüdiger - Tah

Sane - Kroos - Gündogan - Wirtz - Brandt/ Havertz

Füllkrug/ Undav - Musiala



Sane and Brandt/Havertz as wingbacks? Germany will concede loads of goals with that o.o

I would agree on 3-5-2 though. However, I would use real wingbacks not those makeshift ones. I dont plan with Sane because he will miss all preparation friendlies for Germany. He would always come from the bench for me

----
Neuer/Ter Stegen

Tah - Rüdiger - Anton

Henrichs/Kimmich - Gündogan - Wirtz - Kroos - Mittelstädt/Raum

Undav - Musiala


Good point though a main problem has always been that German wingbacks are not where they need to be to play on the international stage.
Maybe it's 4-4-2 (4-5-1) then after all

Neuer/Ter Stegen

Kimmich - Tah - Rüdiger - Anton/ Mittelstadt

Brandt/Havertz/ Sane - Gündogan - Kroos - Wirtz

Undav - Musiala


EDIT: Thinking about it, the only position Germany actually has "world class" is goalkeeper and CM/ OM
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51594 Posts
February 28 2024 10:46 GMT
#1476
the australian women beating up uzbekistan really badly. 8-0 at half time lol
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18636 Posts
February 28 2024 22:41 GMT
#1477
On February 28 2024 17:20 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2024 22:38 sharkie wrote:
On February 26 2024 22:04 Harris1st wrote:
Speaking of Arsenal, my boy Havertz actually doing okay so far:

Premier League
25 Games
6 Goals
2 Assists
268' minutes / Goal
1.603' minutes played
"60 million down the drain, Kai Havertz scores again"

Other topic: If you were Nagelsmann, how'd you play with Kroos back?

Neuer / Ter Stegen

Kimmich - Rüdiger - Tah

Sane - Kroos - Gündogan - Wirtz - Brandt/ Havertz

Füllkrug/ Undav - Musiala



Sane and Brandt/Havertz as wingbacks? Germany will concede loads of goals with that o.o

I would agree on 3-5-2 though. However, I would use real wingbacks not those makeshift ones. I dont plan with Sane because he will miss all preparation friendlies for Germany. He would always come from the bench for me

----
Neuer/Ter Stegen

Tah - Rüdiger - Anton

Henrichs/Kimmich - Gündogan - Wirtz - Kroos - Mittelstädt/Raum

Undav - Musiala


Good point though a main problem has always been that German wingbacks are not where they need to be to play on the international stage.
Maybe it's 4-4-2 (4-5-1) then after all

Neuer/Ter Stegen

Kimmich - Tah - Rüdiger - Anton/ Mittelstadt

Brandt/Havertz/ Sane - Gündogan - Kroos - Wirtz

Undav - Musiala


EDIT: Thinking about it, the only position Germany actually has "world class" is goalkeeper and CM/ OM


If Germany goes 4-4-2 I think they need andrich or groß as a purely DM. The backline and kroos/gundogan wouldnt be able to cope defensively
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10397 Posts
February 28 2024 22:58 GMT
#1478
What the hell are we feeding these kids in Liverpool? Danns looks legit already at 18. Dude is going to be an absolute goal machine and he's got so much energy. He's a great presser, fits right into our system as another good pressing striker like Nunez.

Gakpo needs to pick up some slack while he's got the opportunity right now to play a lot of minutes. He's been very average/below average.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28796 Posts
February 29 2024 06:39 GMT
#1479
Can anybody name a high level game where one player gives four assists to the same player? Haaland/ DB are next level.

Theyve hardly played together this season but if they avoid any more injuries city is likely to finish stronger.
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4294 Posts
February 29 2024 06:50 GMT
#1480
Well with kdb city is a different beast.

They held up while he was gone and rodri was out and are still in contention if they go the big winning streak route again.
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