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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
December 01 2021 12:58 GMT
#1341
Probably a repost, and it’s quite old now but this article is great in laying out quite how good Messi really is, and to a lesser degree Ronaldo

Lionel Messi is Impossible
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18762 Posts
December 01 2021 14:08 GMT
#1342
On December 01 2021 20:13 Twisted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2021 17:31 sharkie wrote:
Haha for years I had to listen how Messi couldnt win anything because of how shitty the Argentina squad was and now his fanboys are even saying how bad the Barca squad is to overvalue Messi. :D


? stop trolling


Whats there to troll? Messi fanboys make it sound as Barca has the worst squad in the world whereas it still one of the best squads in Europe...
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8934 Posts
December 01 2021 14:27 GMT
#1343
On December 01 2021 23:08 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2021 20:13 Twisted wrote:
On December 01 2021 17:31 sharkie wrote:
Haha for years I had to listen how Messi couldnt win anything because of how shitty the Argentina squad was and now his fanboys are even saying how bad the Barca squad is to overvalue Messi. :D


? stop trolling


Whats there to troll? Messi fanboys make it sound as Barca has the worst squad in the world whereas it still one of the best squads in Europe...

messi left and now theyre 7th in the league? how is that "one of the best squads in europe"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
December 01 2021 14:54 GMT
#1344
On December 01 2021 23:08 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2021 20:13 Twisted wrote:
On December 01 2021 17:31 sharkie wrote:
Haha for years I had to listen how Messi couldnt win anything because of how shitty the Argentina squad was and now his fanboys are even saying how bad the Barca squad is to overvalue Messi. :D


? stop trolling


Whats there to troll? Messi fanboys make it sound as Barca has the worst squad in the world whereas it still one of the best squads in Europe...

How are they faring without him? That said their squad is absolutely a lot better than performances.

Argentina haven’t had a great squad since 2006, they’ve had some half decent ones. 1998 through 2006 they were stacked with quality all over the pitch.

Since then they’ve had like 15 great strikers/wide forwards to pick from every squad and huge gaps elsewhere. They haven’t had a real world class centre back, centre midfielder, full back on either flank in forever. Whereas previously they could throw a Veron/Simeone, a playmaker like Riquelme in, or guys like Ayala in the middle with a Javier Zanetti as a fullback.

I’m utterly fed up with myopic Messi/Ronaldo fanboys and their weird combination of massive passion for football combined with a seeming complete lack of understanding of football.

But some things just are the case. The 2006 squad came a bit early in Messi’s career but was absolutely leagues better than what came after, in terms of balance across departments.

Maradona also completely fucked it in 2010, leaving out Javier Zanetti and Esteban Cambiasso who had won the treble with Inter. I don’t buy the conspiracies that he wanted to sabotage their chances to stop Messi emulating him, ridiculous if you consider how patriotic El Diego was, but doing things like taking Jonas Gutierrez over Javier Zanetti (IMO arguably the most unheralded great of the 1990s thru 2010s), was just silly.

So you’re left with a decidedly average 2014 squad that Messi dragged to a final and got player of the tournament, and a 2018 squad that was also decidedly average and got pumped by a team whose squad was anything but average in France.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4394 Posts
December 01 2021 17:44 GMT
#1345
On December 01 2021 21:58 WombaT wrote:
Probably a repost, and it’s quite old now but this article is great in laying out quite how good Messi really is, and to a lesser degree Ronaldo

Lionel Messi is Impossible



thank you. very nice read and a real eye opener to some people in denial (regardless of how old the article is).
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
December 01 2021 19:01 GMT
#1346
That's a great article! Also the reason why he has to do so much more to be considered 'the best'. He's created an impossible standard for himself.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 01 2021 21:04 GMT
#1347
Another person in the crowd in England had a heart attack during game play stopped for 30 minutes to treat him and they stabilized him and off to hospital he went.

Chelsea meanwhile are playing absolutely awful and are 1-1 with Watford and look shocking.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
December 02 2021 20:35 GMT
#1348
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
December 02 2021 20:38 GMT
#1349
Would have been shocking if that goal hadn't been given. Stellar performance by Fred so far. I don't know how he can complain to the ref about this after he kicked his keeper...
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
December 02 2021 21:01 GMT
#1350
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 02 2021 21:34 GMT
#1351
Fun game for the neutral this one.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 03 2021 00:51 GMT
#1352
Three of Spain’s top soccer clubs are leading an 11th-hour attempt to scupper CVC Capital Partners’s roughly 2 billion-euro ($2.3 billion) deal to inject much-needed funds into the country’s top leagues, according to people familiar with the matter.

Real Madrid CF, FC Barcelona and Athletic Bilbao have presented an alternative funding proposal for a similar amount that would leave LaLiga out of the equation, according to a letter sent to all first and second division clubs that was seen by Bloomberg and signed by the presidents of the three big clubs.

According to the alternative plan, a special purpose vehicle would raise 2 billion euros in debt. The proceeds would be distributed to clubs in the same proportion discussed in the CVC deal, and clubs would repay 115 million euros each year for 25 years with media revenue, without compromising the ownership of the rights, according to the letter. Under the CVC proposal, the private equity firm would own a 10% stake in a newly created entity that would hold LaLiga businesses and the media rights of clubs for 50 years.

The cost difference between the two proposals is huge for clubs, with 900 million euros under the new plan from the three clubs, compared with 13.1 billion euros for the CVC plan, according to the letter. The latest alternative assumes a 3% rate of interest, compared with its estimate of 9.9% for the CVC proposal.

That the proposed funding is through debt would make it impossible for many clubs, including Barcelona, to meet their financial obligations, LaLiga said in a statement.

The clubs have been working with banks including Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and HSBC Holdings Plc on financing the plan. The expectation is that the interest on the debt will be between 2.5% and 3%, depending on the rating of the deal, according to the letter.

Crucial Vote

The developments come before a crucial vote next week by club presidents on whether to back CVC’s offer to buy a 10% stake in a new company housing all of the Spanish soccer league’s businesses. LaLiga needs 22 of 42 first and second division clubs for the signing to happen.

Real Madrid and Barcelona have already voiced opposition to the deal, saying it risks seeing the league lose control of its media rights for the next 50 years. Their rival proposal carries a shorter time frame of 25 years, one of the people said.

Spain’s El Confidencial earlier reported news of the counterproposal.

Representatives for Bank of America, Athletic and JPMorgan declined to comment, while a spokesperson for Real Madrid didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. A Barcelona club spokeswoman confirmed that there is a proposal from her club, Real Madrid and Athletic Bilbao with a maximum interest of 3% to be paid in 25 years.

Stadium closures and rebates to broadcasters during the pandemic combined to drag LaLiga revenue down 8% to 3.1 billion euros in the 2019-2020 season, according to Deloitte’s latest annual review of the sport, with lockdowns having extended into the more recent campaign. That’s had a big impact on clubs like Barcelona and Real Madrid, known for spending sky-high sums to attract and keep the world’s best players.

While CVC has successfully invested in sports, including motor-bike racing, volleyball and rugby, it has struggled with previous soccer deals. The firm tried, and failed, to invest in Germany’s Bundesliga and Italy’s Serie A.

JPMorgan earlier this year was involved in financing a proposal by Europe’s top clubs for a breakaway Super League. Those efforts quickly crumbled in the face of fierce opposition from fans and politicians.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13536 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 01:18:13
December 03 2021 01:10 GMT
#1353
That was weak as piss from De Gea. Gotta stay on your feet there no matter the pain and work through it. Was milking for all it worth and I'm glad it cost him.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8934 Posts
December 03 2021 02:07 GMT
#1354
#CARRICKIN
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51705 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 04:55:43
December 03 2021 04:55 GMT
#1355
lol and resigned immediately after the game, probably was sitting on it the moment he got the interim job anyway.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8934 Posts
December 03 2021 06:35 GMT
#1356
yeah to be fair he seems like a level headed guy and probably understands that he is complicit in the poor performance of the team as of late. hes cited family as his major reason but surely he must be thinking that he needs to step back due to his failures as part of mou/oles coaching staff
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18473 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 06:58:50
December 03 2021 06:57 GMT
#1357
On December 03 2021 09:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Three of Spain’s top soccer clubs are leading an 11th-hour attempt to scupper CVC Capital Partners’s roughly 2 billion-euro ($2.3 billion) deal to inject much-needed funds into the country’s top leagues, according to people familiar with the matter.

Real Madrid CF, FC Barcelona and Athletic Bilbao have presented an alternative funding proposal for a similar amount that would leave LaLiga out of the equation, according to a letter sent to all first and second division clubs that was seen by Bloomberg and signed by the presidents of the three big clubs.

According to the alternative plan, a special purpose vehicle would raise 2 billion euros in debt. The proceeds would be distributed to clubs in the same proportion discussed in the CVC deal, and clubs would repay 115 million euros each year for 25 years with media revenue, without compromising the ownership of the rights, according to the letter. Under the CVC proposal, the private equity firm would own a 10% stake in a newly created entity that would hold LaLiga businesses and the media rights of clubs for 50 years.

The cost difference between the two proposals is huge for clubs, with 900 million euros under the new plan from the three clubs, compared with 13.1 billion euros for the CVC plan, according to the letter. The latest alternative assumes a 3% rate of interest, compared with its estimate of 9.9% for the CVC proposal.

That the proposed funding is through debt would make it impossible for many clubs, including Barcelona, to meet their financial obligations, LaLiga said in a statement.

The clubs have been working with banks including Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and HSBC Holdings Plc on financing the plan. The expectation is that the interest on the debt will be between 2.5% and 3%, depending on the rating of the deal, according to the letter.

Crucial Vote

The developments come before a crucial vote next week by club presidents on whether to back CVC’s offer to buy a 10% stake in a new company housing all of the Spanish soccer league’s businesses. LaLiga needs 22 of 42 first and second division clubs for the signing to happen.

Real Madrid and Barcelona have already voiced opposition to the deal, saying it risks seeing the league lose control of its media rights for the next 50 years. Their rival proposal carries a shorter time frame of 25 years, one of the people said.

Spain’s El Confidencial earlier reported news of the counterproposal.

Representatives for Bank of America, Athletic and JPMorgan declined to comment, while a spokesperson for Real Madrid didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. A Barcelona club spokeswoman confirmed that there is a proposal from her club, Real Madrid and Athletic Bilbao with a maximum interest of 3% to be paid in 25 years.

Stadium closures and rebates to broadcasters during the pandemic combined to drag LaLiga revenue down 8% to 3.1 billion euros in the 2019-2020 season, according to Deloitte’s latest annual review of the sport, with lockdowns having extended into the more recent campaign. That’s had a big impact on clubs like Barcelona and Real Madrid, known for spending sky-high sums to attract and keep the world’s best players.

While CVC has successfully invested in sports, including motor-bike racing, volleyball and rugby, it has struggled with previous soccer deals. The firm tried, and failed, to invest in Germany’s Bundesliga and Italy’s Serie A.

JPMorgan earlier this year was involved in financing a proposal by Europe’s top clubs for a breakaway Super League. Those efforts quickly crumbled in the face of fierce opposition from fans and politicians.


Source

LaLiga's counter is pathetic and just shows how idiotic that rule is. I personally have no clue what deal is better. But one being debt to be repaid over 10 years, and the other being "leasing out media rights for 50 years", and the former disqualifying clubs from LaLiga for breaking their financial fair play rules just means the latter are shit and need reforming, not that the former deal is inherently bad because it's debt.

Or put another way, CVC is a for-profit hedge fund, and obviously expects to make money off this deal. Why is signing over this potential future money from the rights that CVC is leasing inherently better (according to LaLiga's financial health rules) than signing over potential future money in the form of debt repayment and interest?
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6324 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 11:55:34
December 03 2021 11:55 GMT
#1358
Yes the alternative proposal seems much better. The CVC deal would be fine if it weren't for 50 years but for 20 or something. 50 years is just insane.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51705 Posts
December 03 2021 12:14 GMT
#1359


it's actually ridiculous the difference between rangnick and solskjaer in their approach to these press conferences
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14215 Posts
December 03 2021 16:25 GMT
#1360
The minnesota womens community owned team has released its final 3 for the team branding.

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/minnesota-pro-womens-soccer-team-narrows-name-logo-options-to-final-3

The brands are all really cool. Artic is a mint theme, Aurora (the wild favorites) is an orange and teal gradient type brand, and foxfire is art deco gold and green. The fox is a finnish myth about a pagan fox god bringing fire and destruction that causes the northern lights.
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