Lionel Messi is Impossible
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
Lionel Messi is Impossible | ||
sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
Whats there to troll? Messi fanboys make it sound as Barca has the worst squad in the world whereas it still one of the best squads in Europe... | ||
evilfatsh1t
Australia8716 Posts
On December 01 2021 23:08 sharkie wrote: Whats there to troll? Messi fanboys make it sound as Barca has the worst squad in the world whereas it still one of the best squads in Europe... messi left and now theyre 7th in the league? how is that "one of the best squads in europe" | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
On December 01 2021 23:08 sharkie wrote: Whats there to troll? Messi fanboys make it sound as Barca has the worst squad in the world whereas it still one of the best squads in Europe... How are they faring without him? That said their squad is absolutely a lot better than performances. Argentina haven’t had a great squad since 2006, they’ve had some half decent ones. 1998 through 2006 they were stacked with quality all over the pitch. Since then they’ve had like 15 great strikers/wide forwards to pick from every squad and huge gaps elsewhere. They haven’t had a real world class centre back, centre midfielder, full back on either flank in forever. Whereas previously they could throw a Veron/Simeone, a playmaker like Riquelme in, or guys like Ayala in the middle with a Javier Zanetti as a fullback. I’m utterly fed up with myopic Messi/Ronaldo fanboys and their weird combination of massive passion for football combined with a seeming complete lack of understanding of football. But some things just are the case. The 2006 squad came a bit early in Messi’s career but was absolutely leagues better than what came after, in terms of balance across departments. Maradona also completely fucked it in 2010, leaving out Javier Zanetti and Esteban Cambiasso who had won the treble with Inter. I don’t buy the conspiracies that he wanted to sabotage their chances to stop Messi emulating him, ridiculous if you consider how patriotic El Diego was, but doing things like taking Jonas Gutierrez over Javier Zanetti (IMO arguably the most unheralded great of the 1990s thru 2010s), was just silly. So you’re left with a decidedly average 2014 squad that Messi dragged to a final and got player of the tournament, and a 2018 squad that was also decidedly average and got pumped by a team whose squad was anything but average in France. | ||
KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On December 01 2021 21:58 WombaT wrote: Probably a repost, and it’s quite old now but this article is great in laying out quite how good Messi really is, and to a lesser degree Ronaldo Lionel Messi is Impossible thank you. very nice read and a real eye opener to some people in denial (regardless of how old the article is). | ||
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Belgium16168 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Three of Spain’s top soccer clubs are leading an 11th-hour attempt to scupper CVC Capital Partners’s roughly 2 billion-euro ($2.3 billion) deal to inject much-needed funds into the country’s top leagues, according to people familiar with the matter. Real Madrid CF, FC Barcelona and Athletic Bilbao have presented an alternative funding proposal for a similar amount that would leave LaLiga out of the equation, according to a letter sent to all first and second division clubs that was seen by Bloomberg and signed by the presidents of the three big clubs. According to the alternative plan, a special purpose vehicle would raise 2 billion euros in debt. The proceeds would be distributed to clubs in the same proportion discussed in the CVC deal, and clubs would repay 115 million euros each year for 25 years with media revenue, without compromising the ownership of the rights, according to the letter. Under the CVC proposal, the private equity firm would own a 10% stake in a newly created entity that would hold LaLiga businesses and the media rights of clubs for 50 years. The cost difference between the two proposals is huge for clubs, with 900 million euros under the new plan from the three clubs, compared with 13.1 billion euros for the CVC plan, according to the letter. The latest alternative assumes a 3% rate of interest, compared with its estimate of 9.9% for the CVC proposal. That the proposed funding is through debt would make it impossible for many clubs, including Barcelona, to meet their financial obligations, LaLiga said in a statement. The clubs have been working with banks including Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and HSBC Holdings Plc on financing the plan. The expectation is that the interest on the debt will be between 2.5% and 3%, depending on the rating of the deal, according to the letter. Crucial Vote The developments come before a crucial vote next week by club presidents on whether to back CVC’s offer to buy a 10% stake in a new company housing all of the Spanish soccer league’s businesses. LaLiga needs 22 of 42 first and second division clubs for the signing to happen. Real Madrid and Barcelona have already voiced opposition to the deal, saying it risks seeing the league lose control of its media rights for the next 50 years. Their rival proposal carries a shorter time frame of 25 years, one of the people said. Spain’s El Confidencial earlier reported news of the counterproposal. Representatives for Bank of America, Athletic and JPMorgan declined to comment, while a spokesperson for Real Madrid didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. A Barcelona club spokeswoman confirmed that there is a proposal from her club, Real Madrid and Athletic Bilbao with a maximum interest of 3% to be paid in 25 years. Stadium closures and rebates to broadcasters during the pandemic combined to drag LaLiga revenue down 8% to 3.1 billion euros in the 2019-2020 season, according to Deloitte’s latest annual review of the sport, with lockdowns having extended into the more recent campaign. That’s had a big impact on clubs like Barcelona and Real Madrid, known for spending sky-high sums to attract and keep the world’s best players. While CVC has successfully invested in sports, including motor-bike racing, volleyball and rugby, it has struggled with previous soccer deals. The firm tried, and failed, to invest in Germany’s Bundesliga and Italy’s Serie A. JPMorgan earlier this year was involved in financing a proposal by Europe’s top clubs for a breakaway Super League. Those efforts quickly crumbled in the face of fierce opposition from fans and politicians. Source | ||
RowdierBob
Australia13182 Posts
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Australia8716 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18088 Posts
LaLiga's counter is pathetic and just shows how idiotic that rule is. I personally have no clue what deal is better. But one being debt to be repaid over 10 years, and the other being "leasing out media rights for 50 years", and the former disqualifying clubs from LaLiga for breaking their financial fair play rules just means the latter are shit and need reforming, not that the former deal is inherently bad because it's debt. Or put another way, CVC is a for-profit hedge fund, and obviously expects to make money off this deal. Why is signing over this potential future money from the rights that CVC is leasing inherently better (according to LaLiga's financial health rules) than signing over potential future money in the form of debt repayment and interest? | ||
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Netherlands6240 Posts
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GTR
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it's actually ridiculous the difference between rangnick and solskjaer in their approach to these press conferences | ||
Sermokala
United States14023 Posts
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