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Simeone brought up and interesting point that I think is worth talking about.
What he said was that with Liverpool hosting the second leg at home Atleti had 30 extra minutes to get an away goal and he thought that was unfair to Liverpool.
So then I started thinking about whether tahts true.
For example maybe you could argue that in that scenario the home team is also getting 30 extra minutes at home as opposed to away and maybe that could be seen as an advantage (to some degree, and I dont think it is does) that offsets the visiting teams advantage.
But I figured I'd bring it up and see what people think about it because on the face of it his point seems quite well founded.
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Norway28797 Posts
While I think there might be truth to it specifically in the event of extra time, statistically, there is a significant boost for having the first leg away and second leg at home.
Wait I didn't read that article fully through until I posted. Seems like the main stat that they use for the headline is caused by the group winners getting away game first and that for quarters and semi finals, it's totally random (as they give completely different results)
I'm pretty certain I've seen way more teams state that they ideally want away match first though.
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Arteta has tested positive for COVID-19.
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Now Chelsea 
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Given how it's impossible to play out this season, we should just cancel the Premier League and void the results. Let's just take historical success since the Premier League was founded (1992) and rank the clubs on such basis.
Or we could just do a worldwide popularity vote on the ranking.
Source: Unbiased United fan 
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I don't like the away goals rule. If you drew over 2 games, you go to over time period. I think the idea was to push teams to score away for more spectacle, but it doesn't guarantee it at all.
If they change it to at least not apply during over time, it'd be a good first step.
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Sorry if this has been discussed before, but does anyone have a hottake on the USWNT dispute?
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Whoever thought it was a good legal argument should be fired. Also the the acting President resigned earlier today.
EDIT: Budweiser, Coca-Cola, and Visa obviously raised hell. But I think the big dog Nike put down an ultimatum to the board and he resigned.
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I hadn't read about the offending comment in the filing, only that he resigned. I've seen cases, some quite recently actually, where lawyers are brought in and don't really understand the environment. Even if it's a perfectly sound legal argument, the safer route would have been to make a strictly economic argument. But how do you prosecute your case as strenuously as possible (lliterally part of a lawyer's ethical code) when you have to worry about the plaintiff's feelings?
As far as I can tell, the only "dysfunction"- unless someone can give me a compelling counterargument (which is why I didn't state that in my initial post)- is the USWNT's inability to comprehend 8th grade math. They are probably going to have a situation similar to the US Gymnastic's team where, having caved once and egged on by the all too willing media, every new president will be subject to increasingly stringent purity tests.
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51867989
All elite football in England has been suspended until at least 3 April as a result of the spread of coronavirus.
At least the EPL title wont be decided in March 
The pain will come in April
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Better just finish the season with no PL winner
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In the light of developments due to the spread of COVID-19 in Europe and related decisions made by different governments, all UEFA club competitions matches scheduled next week are postponed.
This includes the remaining UEFA Champions League, Round of 16 second leg matches scheduled on 17 and 18 March 2020; all UEFA Europa League, Round of 16 second leg matches scheduled on 19 March 2020; all UEFA Youth League, quarter-final matches scheduled on 17 and 18 March 2020.
Further decisions on when these matches take place will be communicated in due course.
As a consequence of the postponements, the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League quarter-final draws scheduled for 20 March have also been postponed.
UEFA yesterday invited representatives of its 55 member associations, together with the boards of the European Club Association and the European Leagues and a representative of FIFPro, to a videoconference meeting on Tuesday 17 March to discuss European football’s response to the outbreak.
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Northern Ireland26785 Posts
On March 13 2020 16:46 Jerubaal wrote:
I hadn't read about the offending comment in the filing, only that he resigned. I've seen cases, some quite recently actually, where lawyers are brought in and don't really understand the environment. Even if it's a perfectly sound legal argument, the safer route would have been to make a strictly economic argument. But how do you prosecute your case as strenuously as possible (lliterally part of a lawyer's ethical code) when you have to worry about the plaintiff's feelings?
As far as I can tell, the only "dysfunction"- unless someone can give me a compelling counterargument (which is why I didn't state that in my initial post)- is the USWNT's inability to comprehend 8th grade math. They are probably going to have a situation similar to the US Gymnastic's team where, having caved once and egged on by the all too willing media, every new president will be subject to increasingly stringent purity tests.
What maths are they not comprehending? I haven’t followed this closely for a while now but there have been to my knowledge years where the USWMNT does bring in more revenue for the federation than their male counterparts, which has formed some of their purely economic arguments. A state of affairs which is pretty unique amongst football worldwide I’d suppose.
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On March 12 2020 18:59 Harris1st wrote:
Thank god! With PL running we will have something else to talk about other than Covid
And there it all goes...
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On March 13 2020 22:28 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2020 18:59 Harris1st wrote:
Thank god! With PL running we will have something else to talk about other than Covid And there it all goes...
Of course. Players and managers are testing positive on Corona, the fact that they waited until the news about Arteta is already insane.
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On March 13 2020 21:40 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2020 16:46 Jerubaal wrote:
I hadn't read about the offending comment in the filing, only that he resigned. I've seen cases, some quite recently actually, where lawyers are brought in and don't really understand the environment. Even if it's a perfectly sound legal argument, the safer route would have been to make a strictly economic argument. But how do you prosecute your case as strenuously as possible (lliterally part of a lawyer's ethical code) when you have to worry about the plaintiff's feelings?
As far as I can tell, the only "dysfunction"- unless someone can give me a compelling counterargument (which is why I didn't state that in my initial post)- is the USWNT's inability to comprehend 8th grade math. They are probably going to have a situation similar to the US Gymnastic's team where, having caved once and egged on by the all too willing media, every new president will be subject to increasingly stringent purity tests.
What maths are they not comprehending? I haven’t followed this closely for a while now but there have been to my knowledge years where the USWMNT does bring in more revenue for the federation than their male counterparts, which has formed some of their purely economic arguments. A state of affairs which is pretty unique amongst football worldwide I’d suppose.
There seems to be two separate pay issues. The first is the normal pay scales that are used for matches and the second is the World Cup. The regular pay scale is difficult to compare: The women's team has only recently started to be competitive with the men in terms of revenue, but, in the last 5 years, the men's and women's teams have traded years in which they made more revenue and earned more. (It's worth noting that these are pretty small numbers, from a few hundred thousand to a few million.) The Women's team has to post more results to surpass the men, but they also chose more "guaranteed" money in their contracts. Along with the fact that the years will look different based off of the world cup cycle, it's not hard to accuse the USWNT's spokespeople of cherry-picking.
All that said, the salaries are not that different from each other, and I think that they could have argued on that basis for a nice pay increase of 10-40%. They, however, aren't arguing for a modest pay increase, they are asserting that their pay should be quadrupled, which leads me to...
...The World Cup payout is the sexiest part of the argument, but also the simplest (and what caused me to make the 'basic math' comment). The Men's World Cup pays out far more money than the Women's. The total prize pool for the Women's Cup is $30 million (the winners get 4 million); the winners of the Men's get $38 million (total prize pool of $400 million). I think the Women's team even gets a larger percentage, but obviously it's much lower (vs years the Men qualify). The USWNT's lawyers are arguing that they don't care about sexist math.
The circulated argument from the latest filing seemed to miss the point, but at least every article I've read keeps harping on the great success of the USWNT in comparison to the men. I find this a dishonest argument because they would never accept the inverse of that.If they keep trying to dunk on the Men's team, then it's fair game to point out that the Women's competition is far inferior to the Men's, and that, even domestically, the competition to get onto the Men's team is much more fierce. You also have another economic factor in that men may just choose not to play if the pay isn't very good.
Considering the conservative nature of the Women's CBA, I think there's an element of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. I doubt they will be willing to give up their base salary for a higher ceiling. But they might also be struggling with the transition from a subsistence sport to maximizing the earnings from their newfound viability. They could blame their representation during bargaining, but it call comes down to whether they are making an economic or principles argument. From all of the rhetoric I've heard, they don't seem partically interested in discussing pesky numbers.
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Paralympics don't have the same prize money as the normal olympics, and women are essentially people with a handicap too (sounds terrible I know, but it's true when it comes to sports). Just like kids and teens. Guess they should make the same prize money too? Of course not.
I think the compensation for the US male/female teams should be similar/the same. Because that's what it is, a compensation for your time. It should be an honour to play for your country, not a salary like you earn at your club. But the difference in prize money is mostly determined by exposure, which is mostly determined by level of play.
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So as there is no other football going on apparently….should we talk about Ronaldinho's games in prison? 5 goals and 6 assists in his first game inside.
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