EPT2019 - 2020 Football Thread - Page 104
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sharkie
Austria18763 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
Edit: ^ not far off haha | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4201 Posts
On December 02 2019 03:32 GTR wrote: ole is done. no way he's surviving against city and spurs. I would love to see Ole do well and I can some improvement in play. But unfortunately time is not on his side and a club like United simply cannot afford such dismal results at this stage of the season. If he doesn’t turn it around against Spurs and City I’m afraid he needs to go. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 02 2019 06:08 WillyWanker wrote: Ter Stegen carrying is nothing new. What a sad game. Good intensity but neither team can create anything. Now we're just missing a free kick from Messi, and that'll be the average Barça game :D Edit: ^ not far off haha Yeah unsurprisingly after the lively performance against Dortmund it went to the same old stale shit. And then the Messi hard carry. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8937 Posts
On December 02 2019 10:14 Dante08 wrote: I would love to see Ole do well and I can some improvement in play. But unfortunately time is not on his side and a club like United simply cannot afford such dismal results at this stage of the season. If he doesn’t turn it around against Spurs and City I’m afraid he needs to go. i actually think even if ole doesnt get top 4 this season the board wont sack him. its perfectly reasonable to think that the board will care about short term results and stick to their previous methods, but i just get this feeling that the board are committed to having 1 manager see out a long term rebuilding plan. i honestly think as long as ole isnt completely out of europe, hell be allowed to start his 2nd full season. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28914 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4201 Posts
On December 02 2019 16:33 evilfatsh1t wrote: i actually think even if ole doesnt get top 4 this season the board wont sack him. its perfectly reasonable to think that the board will care about short term results and stick to their previous methods, but i just get this feeling that the board are committed to having 1 manager see out a long term rebuilding plan. i honestly think as long as ole isnt completely out of europe, hell be allowed to start his 2nd full season. It would take a miracle to get top 6 this season let alone top 4. So the question is if the board is happy with top 6 which would mean standards have fallen off a cliff for a club like United. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28914 Posts
Edit: I mean, performance matters too. He definitely depends on some type of positive development in more coherent attacking play being displayed and stuff like that. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8937 Posts
On December 02 2019 17:53 Dante08 wrote: It would take a miracle to get top 6 this season let alone top 4. So the question is if the board is happy with top 6 which would mean standards have fallen off a cliff for a club like United. or maybe the board realises that no manager is going to come in and make united league contenders in 1 season? theyve tried with 3 different managers already, 2 of which were very successful and neither of them were able to do it (although credit to mou for getting decent results regardless). look at liverpool now, they went through decades of pure shit until they stuck with a manager that was able to stay at the club for a number of seasons and actually build a team. if ed woodward had any brains hed actually look at liverpool or tottenham in recent years and be inspired by their team building methods. its a sad reality that united has to look at traditionally lower tier clubs for inspiration but the fact is every successful team/business whatever goes through phases and united needs to build itself again. obviously there needs to be more urgency than with liverpools case, as uniteds brand cannot carry the club forever without results, but the method should be modeled after those clubs rather than say, real madrid. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18763 Posts
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Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
In my opinion Ole inherited a squad in shambles. The main problem in United since Ferguson left is that the players are either not good enough, or not consistent enough. They need players in the midfield that keeps the team together and performs on a high level each game. And Ole deserves some time here - that midfield squad seems thin as crisps. Pogba and Mctominay is out injured and last game it seems they started with Mata, Fred and Pereira. I remember the Mata-transfer as being widely criticized (as well as Fellaini-transfer) but hey, 6 years later he is still playing in United. Pereira is simply not that good. And what the hell was that signing of Fred for like 60m... Now, it isn't the players AT United that is the problem here. The problem is the reasons for better players NOT being in the club. A club need to do better signings and that is the simple truth. They had positions that needed filling for years but failed to put a long-term strategy in-place. Doing what Ole claimed to do, signing players who at least wants to play for the club and improving the squad seems like a good first step. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8937 Posts
On December 02 2019 18:30 sharkie wrote: Thing with Klopp and liverpool is that even though while his results were mixed his first seasons is that you saw progress and change in the games. Do you see the same with Ole? its too early to say for ole. regardless of results the direction theyve taken is positive atleast | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7429 Posts
On December 03 2019 00:18 evilfatsh1t wrote: its too early to say for ole. regardless of results the direction theyve taken is positive atleast Klopp tanked exactly one season: 19/20 Premier League Premier League 1.Liga 13 1 0 32:12 20 40 1 Jürgen Klopp 18/19 Premier League Premier League 1.Liga 30 7 1 89:22 67 97 2 Jürgen Klopp 17/18 Premier League Premier League 1.Liga 21 12 5 84:38 46 75 4 Jürgen Klopp 16/17 Premier League Premier League 1.Liga 22 10 6 78:42 36 76 4 Jürgen Klopp 15/16 Premier League Premier League 1.Liga 16 12 10 63:50 13 60 8 Jürgen Klopp | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8937 Posts
On December 03 2019 00:27 Harris1st wrote: Klopp tanked exactly one season: 19/20 Premier League Premier League 1.Liga 13 1 0 32:12 20 40 1 Jürgen Klopp 18/19 Premier League Premier League 1.Liga 30 7 1 89:22 67 97 2 Jürgen Klopp 17/18 Premier League Premier League 1.Liga 21 12 5 84:38 46 75 4 Jürgen Klopp 16/17 Premier League Premier League 1.Liga 22 10 6 78:42 36 76 4 Jürgen Klopp 15/16 Premier League Premier League 1.Liga 16 12 10 63:50 13 60 8 Jürgen Klopp ? not sure what your point is. ole hasnt even tanked 1 season yet. last season doesnt really count and this season isnt over | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On December 03 2019 08:58 evilfatsh1t wrote: ? not sure what your point is. ole hasnt even tanked 1 season yet. last season doesnt really count and this season isnt over Don't forget that Klopp came in mid season. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4201 Posts
On December 02 2019 18:15 evilfatsh1t wrote: or maybe the board realises that no manager is going to come in and make united league contenders in 1 season? theyve tried with 3 different managers already, 2 of which were very successful and neither of them were able to do it (although credit to mou for getting decent results regardless). look at liverpool now, they went through decades of pure shit until they stuck with a manager that was able to stay at the club for a number of seasons and actually build a team. if ed woodward had any brains hed actually look at liverpool or tottenham in recent years and be inspired by their team building methods. its a sad reality that united has to look at traditionally lower tier clubs for inspiration but the fact is every successful team/business whatever goes through phases and united needs to build itself again. obviously there needs to be more urgency than with liverpools case, as uniteds brand cannot carry the club forever without results, but the method should be modeled after those clubs rather than say, real madrid. Yeah agree but there needs to be results soon and some indication of a few signings in Jan because the patience is definitely running thin. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4201 Posts
https://mobile.twitter.com/francefootball/status/1201599730582720512 | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/8IwWYXO.png) We all take these numbers for granted, but the consistency and the amount is ridiculous. Should've won a few more in my opinion, but because we're used to the numbers, he has to do something extraordinary on TOP of these numbers. I've seen people say that players like Sterling and Harry Kane have shown more this year (lol). While players like that peak in their performance and fall of the year after, Messi just keeps on scoring, creating chances, giving assists and winning thropies, more than any other player. Since he's been a starter in Barcelona, they've won 8 out of 11 La Liga's, and 4 of those have been without the Pep midfield. | ||
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