EPTFor me van Dijk was a real contender this year tho imo. He would have won it prolly if Liverpool had won the title
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sharkie
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For me van Dijk was a real contender this year tho imo. He would have won it prolly if Liverpool had won the title | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7432 Posts
On December 03 2019 08:58 evilfatsh1t wrote: ? not sure what your point is. ole hasnt even tanked 1 season yet. last season doesnt really count and this season isnt over ups sorry. That was my point. ^^ If you think Ole can change sth he needs more time than half a season to rebuild the squad. But you need to see some changes for the better after a season. They won't win PL any time soon. Not with the way Liverpool and ManCity play | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7432 Posts
On December 03 2019 17:41 sharkie wrote: no way in hell Sterling or Harry Kane would deserve a ballon dor over Messi lol. For me van Dijk was a real contender this year tho imo. He would have won it prolly if Liverpool had won the title lol those two are not even the best players of their team most of the time ^^ Other choices would have been van Dijk or ter Stegen IMO | ||
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WillyWanker
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Dante08
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On December 03 2019 16:06 Twisted wrote: Couldn't be anyone else. The amount of goals/assists and influence on the games he's had in a lack-luster Barça is insane. Top scorer Spain, top assists Spain, top scorer Europe, top scorer Champions League. There was no real competition this year. Best team won CL, best player got narrowly eliminated from said CL. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/8IwWYXO.png) We all take these numbers for granted, but the consistency and the amount is ridiculous. Should've won a few more in my opinion, but because we're used to the numbers, he has to do something extraordinary on TOP of these numbers. I've seen people say that players like Sterling and Harry Kane have shown more this year (lol). While players like that peak in their performance and fall of the year after, Messi just keeps on scoring, creating chances, giving assists and winning thropies, more than any other player. Since he's been a starter in Barcelona, they've won 8 out of 11 La Liga's, and 4 of those have been without the Pep midfield. Agreed, the consistency Messi has shown throughout his career has been nothing short of spectacular. Which is also why sometimes he’s the victim of his own success, people expect so much from him but forget that he has been producing crazy numbers for so long. Also yeah lol at the comparisons between Sterling and Kane. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18763 Posts
On December 03 2019 18:36 WillyWanker wrote: I think van Dijk would have been a great pick if the rule was to pick a "symbol" for this year, like the old Ballon d'Or was (Cannavaro coming to mind as the best example). But the moment they say it should be for the "best" player or the "most impactful", then Messi should win it almost every year. Maybe they should start giving out team-wide Ballons d'Or to reward team efforts rather than individuals. I wouldnt say van Dijk is not as impactful as Messi. Liverpool were a horrible team defensive wise before him. And any game hes not playing for liverpool you notice definitely | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
He's definitely brought a lot to the team and he's going beyond his defender role by going forward and often scoring goal, that's why he should be ranked so high, but Messi does crazy things every single game. Even when he's having a bad game, he still scores and assists (like vs Atletico). Van Dijk is making a great team even greater, Messi is carrying a talented but very flawed team to titles for the past couple of years. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18763 Posts
I think you have forgotton Liverpool without vandijk. the seasons before he joined they kept conceding 3+ goals against almost any side, willywanker. Defensively Liverpool were in shambles, they were a worse side than Arsenal is atm (defensively), their great offense kept saving them. Liverpool pre and post van Dijk are two completely different sides. They were a good side yes but no way anyone would have ever predicted them to win any titles. Van Dijk has made them title contenders | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On December 03 2019 21:56 sharkie wrote: Lets ignore the argument between messi and vandijk for a minute: I think you have forgotton Liverpool without vandijk. the seasons before he joined they kept conceding 3+ goals against almost any side, willywanker. Defensively Liverpool were in shambles, they were a worse side than Arsenal is atm (defensively), their great offense kept saving them. Liverpool pre and post van Dijk are two completely different sides. They were a good side yes but no way anyone would have ever predicted them to win any titles. Van Dijk has made them title contenders Van Dijk and Allison both had a major impact in their defensive stature. That, and Klopp being there longer to create the style of football that they play. They don't have that many extraordinary players, but they have the best team cohesion coupled with some individual class. Liverpool's trophy (Champions League) is more a team effort than Messi carrying Barça. Van Dijk's influence on Liverpool's success is nothing to scoff at, but it pales in comparison to Messi's influence on Barça's results. I believe their semi-final of last year CL was really the true final. Best player vs best team. Best team won. That's why I believe, if you consider the Ballon d'Or an individual throphy, it should always go to Messi. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18763 Posts
The proof of that being Real without him is just like barca: a team full of stars and no cohesion | ||
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Greg_J
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8937 Posts
i dont care what "impact" other individuals have on their respective teams and what their teams' results are for the year. if we're judging individual players based on their individual performances for the year then messi and ronaldo should win. modric winning it last year was a complete joke also. people can try and make an argument for van dijk all they want but if you gave a manager a chance to get one of messi/ronaldo/van dijk on a free transfer and free wages not a single manager would pick van dijk. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7432 Posts
On December 04 2019 00:21 Greg_J wrote: Van Dijk should have won, he's the best player in the world right now making the most meaningful impact at both ends of the pitch. He' made such a difference to Liverpool it's crazy. At the same time I can see why the voting meant that Liverpool who had 7 players nominated for the the short list had votes divided between their excellent players. That been said Messi has been literally carrying the most uninspiring Barca team for generations and they are still through to the next stage of the Champions League and top of La Liga basically just because of him and ter Stegen which is only placed 24th or something, which is ridiculous in itself. I can totally see why Messi won. FTFY | ||
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sharkie
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Ballon D'or has been a joke for a while now anyway we know this, the only thing worse than the Ballon D'or atm is FIFA Best Player shit, that is just a meme! | ||
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haitike
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Greg_J
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On December 04 2019 01:38 sharkie wrote: 686 votes for messi, 679 votes gor vsn dijk. It was close as hell... Yes. And I think that's correct. Regardless of the problems with the system those two players have been a world above everyone else over the last year. I think maybe it should be the other way around. But you can definitely make a good case for either player. This is amusing. | ||
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Edit : Damn, Rashford playing GREAT first half o_O Edit 2 : Dele what a God | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
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