EPTI thought the stewards were a joke this weekend, the biggest cop out being not deleting Sebs time from Q3 when he very clearly went off track.
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Aristodemus
England2014 Posts
I thought the stewards were a joke this weekend, the biggest cop out being not deleting Sebs time from Q3 when he very clearly went off track. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On September 11 2019 01:48 Aristodemus wrote: I think Bottas has done a decent job this year, much closer to Lewis than for example Kimi was to Seb last year. Hamilton is better than Vettel too, maybe someone could come in and do a better job like Hulk but it's not certain. The guys I would guarantee can do better are all taken (except Alonso and who would put those two together again). I thought the stewards were a joke this weekend, the biggest cop out being not deleting Sebs time from Q3 when he very clearly went off track. If you don't gain time by going off-track, why would they punish it? And what else did they do that were "a joke" in your opinion? I can't fault them for a single decision this weekend. They had a fuckton to do, and every decision was fair and in line with their current concept of letting people race (I love the re-introduction of the black and white flag, for instance) | ||
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Aristodemus
England2014 Posts
Masi said after the race that they would have been given the same penalty as Max last year to Charles (5 seconds) if they had made contact, but the only reason they didn't make contact is because Lewis took to the grass to avoid it. Vettel can count himself lucky only getting 3 points too for him cleaning out Stroll, that was dangerous. As I said before though, the Q3 one is by far the worst, no room for interpretation in that, it's black and white not grey. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On September 11 2019 03:40 Aristodemus wrote: It's not about gaining anything,you go off track at the parabolica then your time gets deleted. Those are the rules, many drivers had their times deleted because of it, just not Ferrari for some reason. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/145859/why-vettel-escaped-monza-q3-track-limits-penalty The important outtakes: "In their judgement they noted: "The Stewards reviewed multiple camera angles, some of which appeared to show that the tyres were not in contact with the white line of the track edge however other angles appeared to show that part of the front "wheel" (when viewed from above) may have been within the bounds of the white line." And, as mentioned, he didn't gain any time anyways so who cares? Remember Cota last year when Hamilton wasn't punished for being entirely outside the track? The stewards have a history of being lenient when time isn't being gained. Despite popular belief, the stewards have never been there to follow the laws of the book word for word. They're there to ensure fair, safe and exciting racing. Vettel being disqualified from Q3 because of a blunder that made him slower would not have been very exciting. On September 11 2019 03:40 Aristodemus wrote: Masi said after the race that they would have been given the same penalty as Max last year to Charles (5 seconds) if they had made contact, but the only reason they didn't make contact is because Lewis took to the grass to avoid it. Vettel can count himself lucky only getting 3 points too for him cleaning out Stroll, that was dangerous. As I said before though, the Q3 one is by far the worst, no room for interpretation in that, it's black and white not grey. 3 points? As in on the license? Yeah no one cares about that. The real punishment there was Vettel getting the maximum penalty without getting immediately disqualified in the race; 10 second stop and go. It was effectively a ban, because he had zero chance of getting into the points afterwards. Think that was pretty fair all things together. The Q3 one is absolutely nowhere near black and white. The problem with Monza is that whoever goes first loses. The drag reductions you get down the straights are simply too powerful. This means that absolutely no one wanted to go first. It was effectively a 9 way game of chicken to see who went first. It just happens that no one did. Hulkenberg, Sainz and Stroll got a talking to for being in positions to go first, but didn't, but the truth is that everyone in Q3 was guilty of waiting for someone else to go so they could follow. You're allowed to disagree with the stewards, but all in all they've been pretty fair this weekend. A lot of shit happened, and they handled it very well. No one got snubbed, no one got away unfairly, and we had an absolutely stonkers good race because of it. If they had hit Leclerc with a 5 sec penalty, there would be an absolute uprising, like there was after Canada. Instead the threaded the needle and everyone is happy we got a good race out of it. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2014 Posts
Vettel will very much have cared about how many points he got, because he is alarmingly close to getting a race ban (triggered at 12). I did and do disagree with the rationale that if Hamilton had stayed on track and allowed Charles to hit him that would have been a penalty. My major gripe though is not deleting Sebs time from Q3, other drivers were so why not him? TV footage was very clear and it doesn't matter if it gained lap time or not. The drivers all knew it, that's why they didn't all run out wide. | ||
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MarcoJ
Germany146 Posts
On September 10 2019 17:00 Excludos wrote: Why is it rude to Bottas but not Vettel? Vettel is better than Bottas is right now. He was supposed to show up this season, did so for 3 races, and then haven't been anywhere. His massive mistakes behind Leclerc when he was in a prime position to overtake with much much better tires is a clear sign of where he's at. It's not that you aren't allowed to ever do a mistake, but he's just meh all around atm. Because if youre declining for a year and a half or so, it is reasonable to retire. Especially if your 32. if your 30 and at your best then saying someone should retire because he is not good enough to contest Hamilton is pretty rude imo. I feel like there is a lot of bitterness in people that Bottas can't really push HAM to his limits constantly. But whether its Bottas or not, I dont think they would pair HAM with a topclass driver anyway. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On September 11 2019 16:07 MarcoJ wrote: Because if youre declining for a year and a half or so, it is reasonable to retire. Especially if your 32. if your 30 and at your best then saying someone should retire because he is not good enough to contest Hamilton is pretty rude imo. I feel like there is a lot of bitterness in people that Bottas can't really push HAM to his limits constantly. But whether its Bottas or not, I dont think they would pair HAM with a topclass driver anyway. It's not that he's not contesting Hamilton, it's the fact that he's not contesting anyone. He's just "there". Sitting behind Hamilton, and failing every other task he's given. Vettel has been on a downward spiral for one and a half season, Bottas has been in one for several. There's no fight left in him. He just shows up. Also lol at the "32 is prime retirement age but 30 that's just too young!". It's not or ever will be about age. Hamilton is older than both of them and is still in his prime. Meanwhile Bottas is driving like Kimi (who also should retire, btw), and is 10 years younger. I also still fail to see how it's rude for one person but not the other, when both, at least according to myself, are driving terribly. Somehow one is perfectly fine but the other is a blasphemy. Come on. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
It's similar to bottas. Unless someone is shown to be quicker and as consistent as him, he's not going anywhere. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4130 Posts
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Norway8279 Posts
On September 20 2019 01:32 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: sad for Kubica. What could have been a real inspiration story ended with disappointment and maybe even regret ... The comeback story that wasn't meant to be  | ||
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LennX
4572 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4130 Posts
Fun times! | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On September 21 2019 23:49 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: yeah. Really nice first attempt by Vettel only to choke in the second try where it actually mattered the most ... Hamilton was genuinely surprised by the pace of Fers. Makes you wonder what would be the ending of the championship if Leclerc had more luck in the first 6 races of the season. Fun times! Replace "luck" with "fucked over by Ferrari strategy" then yes. Altough at the time it was excused because they were attempting to push Vettel for the title. Lately it seems they have shifted their focus more over to Leclerc, and the two drivers are now treated more equal instead of first and second. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4130 Posts
On September 22 2019 00:07 Excludos wrote: Replace "luck" with "fucked over by Ferrari strategy" then yes. Altough at the time it was excused because they were attempting to push Vettel for the title. Lately it seems they have shifted their focus more over to Leclerc, and the two drivers are now treated more equal instead of first and second. yeah i was looking for a softer term indeed well Ferrari have 1 more year before major changes to challenge Merc and with this driver they definitely can do so. Toto Wolf seems to not handle pressure well, so lets see if it actually happens | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On September 22 2019 00:07 Excludos wrote: Replace "luck" with "fucked over by Ferrari strategy" then yes. Altough at the time it was excused because they were attempting to push Vettel for the title. Lately it seems they have shifted their focus more over to Leclerc, and the two drivers are now treated more equal instead of first and second. Yeah. This season is full of what if's. If he won Bahrain, didn't get sent out on mediums after running on softs all quali in Baku, and didn't get fucked in Monaco, he could've been around 30-40 points behind Hamilton right now, and with how Ferrari looks like they've fixed their low speed problem with this upgrade package, and Leclerc's insane form, he could definitely make up 40 points. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4389 Posts
If these 4 kids (leclerc, verstappen, norris and russel) all have top end cars after 2021, there could be amazing races in the future! | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On September 22 2019 06:21 KobraKay wrote: Wow this new package seems legit from ferrari. And what a monster leclerc is showing to be. If these 4 kids (leclerc, verstappen, norris and russel) all have top end cars after 2021, there could be amazing races in the future! + Albon. I know he's had a string of luck getting to where he is, but it's not random luck. He's really good (Tho we probably won't see too much of that until he gets comfortable in the new car. He's some ways behind Verstappen atm) | ||
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LennX
4572 Posts
Renault please.... | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
And they almost got completely DQed for it? Come the fuck on | ||
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