EPTDon't make life harder than it needs to be for no reason at all. Renault pushed their shit to the absolute limit and exceeded it because of a situation they didn't anticipate. If they had a safety buffer this wouldn't have happened. I'd rather they fine Renault for being whiny idiots about their own fuck up.
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sneirac
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Don't make life harder than it needs to be for no reason at all. Renault pushed their shit to the absolute limit and exceeded it because of a situation they didn't anticipate. If they had a safety buffer this wouldn't have happened. I'd rather they fine Renault for being whiny idiots about their own fuck up. | ||
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LennX
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5mins to race start and the haze is meh | ||
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A reasonable "punishment" would have been to delete the lap he "cheated" on, which was the slowest of the two qualifying laps anyways. | ||
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sneirac
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Again, it is a measurable decision that has fixed and definite regulations, not "must leave space and respect the combatant", but "cannot exceed value x". They exceeded value x, there is evidence of it and that should be an end of it. It sucks, especially for Ric, but I much rather have this, than have stewards try to start interpreting about if the illegal car was actually only illegal at a point where it didn't matter. Meanwhile this race is now going to suck except for the pit stops, an untimely safety car or possible tyre degradation isn't it? Kind of a shame, we've been so spoiled by action recently | ||
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On September 22 2019 21:37 sneirac wrote: Because the car isn't legal if it can attain higher levels of power than regulations allow, even if it can only reach them in an usual situation. Again, it is a measurable decision that has fixed and definite regulations, not "must leave space and respect the combatant", but "cannot exceed value x". They exceeded value x, there is evidence of it and that should be an end of it. It sucks, especially for Ric, but I much rather have this, than have stewards try to start interpreting about if the illegal car was actually only illegal at a point where it didn't matter. Meanwhile this race is now going to suck except for the pit stops, an untimely safety car or possible tyre degradation isn't it? Kind of a shame, we've been so spoiled by action recently There are no rules against having a car that could potentially become illegal under certain circumstances like a crash. That wouldn't make any sense. The car is illegal when it does something illegal. I don't care if they had swapped cars and ran the first lap with a Fiat Punto, it doesn't make sense to void the next qualifying lap because of it. This is back to the argument that happened last year when Vettel had to weigh his car after not finishing a qualifying lap and returning early. What's the point? It doesn't matter the lick if his car is underweight for a lap that doesn't matter. I would have thought it was harsh if it had happened on his actual qualifying lap, but it's much harsher when it happened on a lap that didn't matter anyways. I'm also curious why you're calling them whining idiots for telling their side of what happened. It feels like you have something against them for whatever reason. edit: Also, yes, this race is going to suck. I had forgotten that this track is near impossible to overtake on. | ||
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LennX
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Vettel is ahead of Leclerc after the pitstops | ||
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On September 22 2019 21:52 LennX wrote: LOLOLOLOL Vettel is ahead of Leclerc after the pitstops Leclerc isn't happy. How often does he have to get screwed over by his team? | ||
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On September 22 2019 21:55 Excludos wrote: Leclerc isn't happy. How often does he have to get screwed over by his team? While Bottas is doing his job as an excellent wingman. Ferrari strategy is still doing well if we consider Vettel as the clear no1 driver for the team this season | ||
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sneirac
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On September 22 2019 21:47 Excludos wrote: There are no rules against having a car that could potentially become illegal under certain circumstances like a crash. That wouldn't make any sense. The car is illegal when it does something illegal. I don't care if they had swapped cars and ran the first lap with a Fiat Punto, it doesn't make sense to void the next qualifying lap because of it. This is back to the argument that happened last year when Vettel had to weigh his car after not finishing a qualifying lap and returning early. What's the point? It doesn't matter the lick if his car is underweight for a lap that doesn't matter. I would have thought it was harsh if it had happened on his actual qualifying lap, but it's much harsher when it happened on a lap that didn't matter anyways. I'm also curious why you're calling them whining idiots for telling their side of what happened. It feels like you have something against them for whatever reason. edit: Also, yes, this race is going to suck. I had forgotten that this track is near impossible to overtake on. Of course there are rules about that. The rule is that the MGU-K cannot exceed x number of revs, they exceeded this number x. There was no carsh, the part wasn't damaged or destroyed and had to be replaced. The car continued on without any issue whatsoever, which clearly makes the bump over the curbs a normal racing incident where the number x cannot be exceeded. I don't have a grudge against Renault, well except that their idiocy continues to screw over one of the most likable drivers of the field. I'm just annoyed that instead of accepting that they fucked up, took responsibility and fixed the problem, they whined and played the victim and managed to create a rule controversy about something that should absolutely not be up for discussion. Seems stupid by Merc, unless they have some hard numbers about tyre degragation at the end of the race | ||
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On September 22 2019 22:04 LennX wrote: While Bottas is doing his job as an excellent wingman. Ferrari strategy is still doing well if we consider Vettel as the clear no1 driver for the team this season Yeah, tho I don't think it was on purpose. They probably thought Vettel was in danger of being stuck in traffic. edit: Wow, that overtake was..dumb. Nearly crashing into people when you're in the lead is not the way to keep it | ||
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On September 22 2019 22:16 Excludos wrote: Well, Riccy is out anyways, due to his own clumsiness this time. Danny Ric took 1 gamble too many. On hindsight, he may have waited but I'm thankful for the action Gio did a great job as a Ferrari no 3 driver in blocking the pack. edit: oh hey. SAFETY CARRRRRR Russel hit the wall thanks to Grosjean lol And there goes the 2 Racing points =/ | ||
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On September 22 2019 22:46 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: question is: will Norris finish the race? Well, it seems the race might have to end one lap shorter due to the 2h time limit, so he should be fine. edit: Kvyat..whattafuck?! edit2: Sorry, my bad: Kimi..whattafuck?! | ||
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LennX
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Torpedo strikes back And the haze is getting worse | ||
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On September 22 2019 22:52 sneirac wrote: well this has gone completely to shit with the safety cars, gotta say I didn't remember this track being this boring It was always this boring. I'm hoping for a new track layout post 2020 if it's possible. The one good thing is that this year the French GP is just on another level of boring | ||
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On September 22 2019 22:54 Excludos wrote: Who are all these people voting Vettel for Driver of the day? He's literally done nothing except be handed the position and victory. to be fair, is there anyone that stood out as really good today? I'd probably pick Gio for leading for a while | ||
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