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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
September 22 2019 19:31 GMT
#501
Ferrari sacrificed Leclerc's victory for a Ferrari 1-2. If Seb hadn't undercut Hamilton/Leclerc, Ferrari would likely have finished 1-3 if Hamilton got a lap in clean air. It was the right team decision, as shitty as it was for Charles.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-22 21:01:44
September 22 2019 20:59 GMT
#502
Yep, I think that's pretty bang on.

Looking back, they could have told Vettel to slow down a hair when they knew Leclerc will be behind after the pit stop, in the same way they did to Bottas, getting them to switch on track after the pit stop doesn't look good to the fans so not advisable.

All the teams underestimated the power of the undercut this race, if Hamilton pitted at same time as Vettel, Leclerc would come out 3rd. I see Ferrari trying to defend the undercut from Max and try undercutting Hamilton, so there's more for him to gain than Charles... But because Leclerc was 3 seconds ahead of Vettel, he had like 2 laps of clear air he could have pitted before Vettel as well... Honestly just poor executions of Leclerc's strategy, but saying they are favoring Vettel instead of Leclerc is blasphemy.

At least Vettel drove well today, being able to pass those 4 cars faster than Leclerc, and setting those few fastest laps as well. So as much as I enjoy Vettel making mistakes and watching him deteriorate, and being a little bit bitter about Leclerc not winning, reasonably well deserved.

And you know what, who knows if Hamilton's strategy was that bad if we didn't have those 3 safety cars. Ferrari tires might've really dropped off. Enjoyable strategic race, and very nice to have the top 3 teams on such even footing.
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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
September 22 2019 23:53 GMT
#503
Giovinazzi did great today, shame about the Ric Dive bomb and then the safety car one lap after pitting otherwise he could have challenged Norris I think, still to lead a race for a few laps is cool and really out performed Kimi these last few weekends (minus the last lap crash in Spa)
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
September 23 2019 15:03 GMT
#504
I just caught up on the race and the news. I think the thing to keep in mind also is that Ferrari didn't expect Vettel's out-lap to be so fast. My understanding is it sounds like the intention of their strategy would have been to keep Leclerc just ahead of Vettel but a combination of Leclerc's tires falling off more than they expected and Vettel's out-lap being faster than expected caused him to be a second or two ahead of where they thought he would be, and thus just barely ahead of Leclerc. It definitely didn't look to me like they deliberately fucked up Leclerc's strategy. It's not like Monaco 2017 where they did an obviously blatantly worse strategy for Kimi to give Vettel the lead.

Leclerc himself seems a lot more cooled off and okay about what happened now that he's had it explained to him.

I'm more amazed at how badly Mercedes bottled their strategy. Like it wasn't even just an iffy strategy, it was straight up bad. They could have won the race easily had they not been so conservative. It seems like they've been a lot of bad calls lately. Any time things go other than almost exactly to plan they seem to fall apart now.

I do also wonder if Bottas is going to be overtaken in the championship by Leclerc or Verstappen. Both are not far behind (the two are tied right now) and Bottas typically has a weaker second half of the season. Bottas looked alright this race but he hasn't been on the level of Hamilton, Leclerc, or Verstappen for several races now. If it wasn't for Mercedes basically being unbeatable for the first 6 races, Bottas would probably be in 4th or 5th right now.
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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
September 24 2019 21:23 GMT
#505
Leclerc's mentality will take him very far. He's a fierce competitor. Once Vettel and Hamilton have retired, new rivalries will arise. With Leclerc, Verstappen, Norris, Russell and Ocon (from next season onwards) there's plenty of talent on the grid already. Sainz and Kmag are also pretty fast. I wonder if Ricciardo will ever get a shot at winning a championship. Right now it doesn't look likely, but the 2021 regulations might shake up the field quite a bit. I really hope there'll be some new teams, too.
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Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2009 Posts
September 28 2019 18:08 GMT
#506
Great news for McLaren in securing Mercedes engines, hopefully that's a big step in returning to where they should be.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
September 28 2019 19:23 GMT
#507
Leclerc seems like he is on a completely different level in qualifying right now. That lap was nuts even though he screwed up the last sector.

Hearing all the news about Hulkenberg is getting rather sad. I hope he ends up at a team (apparently Williams is basically his only option, and they are looking at taking Latifi because of money reasons). I wanted Ocon back but I don't know if I would want that at the expense of Hulkenberg. Hulkenberg is also too good to be on the sidelines, especially after his performances recently and the fact that he has been keeping up pretty well with Ricciardo. Even Renault says had they known Hulkenberg would have problems finding a seat they would have thought more about re-signing him. I think the expectation was Hulkenberg would go to Haas. I'm still mystified as to why Haas chose to keep Grosjean over signing Hulkenberg. Grosjean's been absolutely horrid this year after being just as bad last year. He's had 6 retirements, many of which were his own doing, and has compromised his own race several times when he hasn't retired (and ruined Magnussen's race as well to boot on multiple occasions). Yes Grosjean helped Haas figure out their correlation problem, but he is a big factor in why the team is near the bottom of the standings right now.
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4265 Posts
September 28 2019 20:26 GMT
#508
It is also relevant that people keep on saying ric is winning the h2h between them but it is often forgoten that ric is receiving the upgrades before hulk.

Ocon will soon show renault that being french is not enough.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4045 Posts
September 29 2019 09:19 GMT
#509
this onboard comparison is sick
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.onboard-comparison-how-leclerc-beat-hamilton-to-pole-in-russia.5pufMwRpvyEypeQgeH2Xwj.html

Sirotkin (Renault test driver) said a while ago in the interview Hulk and Ric are closer in skill that it may seem. "Hulk's strength is in always creating a perfect turn curve, not many drivers can do that. His telemetry is like from a textbook on race driving"
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8243 Posts
September 29 2019 09:59 GMT
#510
On September 29 2019 18:19 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
this onboard comparison is sick
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.onboard-comparison-how-leclerc-beat-hamilton-to-pole-in-russia.5pufMwRpvyEypeQgeH2Xwj.html

Sirotkin (Renault test driver) said a while ago in the interview Hulk and Ric are closer in skill that it may seem. "Hulk's strength is in always creating a perfect turn curve, not many drivers can do that. His telemetry is like from a textbook on race driving"


Annoyingly the infographics are wrong throughout. It ends on +0.4, but Hamilton was onky 0.27 slower.

But it's clear that the Ferrari is much faster in straight line speed atm. Merc doesn't seem to be running more wing either, because while they're catching in the slow speed corners, they're not in the mid speed ones where the wing should come most into play.
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4568 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 11:18:07
September 29 2019 11:17 GMT
#511
Lights out and away we go.

Someone crashed into Grosjean and taking him out
Danny Ric gets a puncture
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8243 Posts
September 29 2019 11:18 GMT
#512
What a start by Vettel. What a rocket!
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4568 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 11:34:11
September 29 2019 11:25 GMT
#513
The Gro, Gio, Ric sandwich on Lap 1 has hints of '17 SG GP

Vettel great start seems to be part of a Ferrari strategy of Leclerc giving the slipstream

Leclerc is very pissed now
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Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 12:01:13
September 29 2019 11:35 GMT
#514
Vettel is on file. Leclerc can't even catch up to him for the swap.

And at the end Hamilton will beat them both with superior strategy. The softs are already slower than the mediums.

And the FIAT broke again.
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4568 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 12:02:24
September 29 2019 12:01 GMT
#515
Yup.. Ferrari delayed Vettel pitstop imo to let Leclerc go

And Vettel MGU-k blows up lollolololol

FERRARI PLAN SEA IS EPIC
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sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
September 29 2019 12:02 GMT
#516
Oh that just sucks now
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4265 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 12:05:40
September 29 2019 12:04 GMT
#517
Yay freaking Mercedes…..ridiculous.

What a joke, as usual.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4568 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 12:05:46
September 29 2019 12:04 GMT
#518
Seriously lol. Right after Leclerc pits, Vettel engine blows and giving everyone else a VSC pit stop

Russel out.
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Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
September 29 2019 12:07 GMT
#519
Ferrarri should just give up this season and focus on building actually good car for the next one. Just like Mercedes are doing.
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4568 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-29 12:09:51
September 29 2019 12:08 GMT
#520
Oh nonono Mr Consistent himself Kubica also retires

And now Ferrari pits after a few laps of SC......
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