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Penev
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Ben...
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On July 11 2022 06:36 Penev wrote: Nuance is everything. You presented that topic in a disingenuous way as I said before. You also posted about a blog as if it was some direct attack on Red Bull management, even claiming it was getting "worse and worse" without any evidence backing that up. You're posting a certain narrative that is prevalent on Reddit, and elsewhere, pretty much beat for beat. I'm sorry but decent motorsport media don't do that. That's just tabloid level writing. And no one asked you for an apology. Here's a Motorsport article mentioning Jos Verstappen being convicted of violating a restraining order and sending threatening messages to his ex-wife. It also mentions the incident in which he was arrested after a domestic dispute in which it was alleged he tried to run his partner over with a car. And here's an old BBC article talking about his assault charges in which he cracked a dude's skull over a dispute about a go-kart track. When people talk about these various events and Jos Verstappen, they're not making it up. If you dig through older F1 news sites you can find more of it. The dude has a history. The whole point of that portion of the post I made that you keep referencing is that parts of the F1 media, especially Dutch F1 media, are taking a huge risk by continuing to interview him more frequently at races and somewhat rebuilding his image (the "worse and worse" thing you mention is in reference to Jos saying bizarre things that get reported in the media, like after Monaco when he accused Red Bull of not sufficiently prioritizing Verstappen when it was just the case that Perez was the better driver that weekend and there wasn't anything Red Bull could realistically do to improve things for Max. That kind of thing). The reason for this being that he has this horrible history and it could be dug up the second he says something stupid, much like what happened with Piquet. My post was in reference to a larger conversation in parts of the F1 media (most notably Hamilton talked about it) about how parts of the F1 media and others keep bringing back and interviewing people who were previously involved with the sport and are known to be problematic people. Hamilton gave a great example of Bernie Ecclestone, who gets several high profile interviews a year despite long being out of the sport. Ecclestone has since gone on to say some pretty appallingly stupid things in an interview that forced F1 to respond and condemn his statements. Every time Ecclestone gets interviewed he does this which hurts F1's image but generates a ton of clicks for whoever did the interview. | ||
RKC
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Can more be done to address fanaticism? Yes. Does fanaticism increase proportionally to a sport's commercial growth? Yes. So perhaps all these recent fan trouble is FI being a victim of its own commercial success. One follows the other. Fanaticism isn't something that should be normalised but it's also something impossible to eradicate (without losing viewership base). You can't eliminate drama away from sports and expect it to be a global mainstream commercial success. And vice versa. | ||
Penev
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On July 11 2022 09:25 Ben... wrote: Here's a Motorsport article mentioning Jos Verstappen being convicted of violating a restraining order and sending threatening messages to his ex-wife. It also mentions the incident in which he was arrested after a domestic dispute in which it was alleged he tried to run his partner over with a car. And here's an old BBC article talking about his assault charges in which he cracked a dude's skull over a dispute about a go-kart track. When people talk about these various events and Jos Verstappen, they're not making it up. If you dig through older F1 news sites you can find more of it. The dude has a history. The whole point of that portion of the post I made that you keep referencing is that parts of the F1 media, especially Dutch F1 media, are taking a huge risk by continuing to interview him more frequently at races and somewhat rebuilding his image (the "worse and worse" thing you mention is in reference to Jos saying bizarre things that get reported in the media, like after Monaco when he accused Red Bull of not sufficiently prioritizing Verstappen when it was just the case that Perez was the better driver that weekend and there wasn't anything Red Bull could realistically do to improve things for Max. That kind of thing). The reason for this being that he has this horrible history and it could be dug up the second he says something stupid, much like what happened with Piquet. My post was in reference to a larger conversation in parts of the F1 media (most notably Hamilton talked about it) about how parts of the F1 media and others keep bringing back and interviewing people who were previously involved with the sport and are known to be problematic people. Hamilton gave a great example of Bernie Ecclestone, who gets several high profile interviews a year despite long being out of the sport. Ecclestone has since gone on to say some pretty appallingly stupid things in an interview that forced F1 to respond and condemn his statements. Every time Ecclestone gets interviewed he does this which hurts F1's image but generates a ton of clicks for whoever did the interview. It's completely clear that I'm well aware of the guys' past which is evident in my responses, yet that doesn't stop you from repeating the same thing over and over which is very noticeable, as is you not answering any questions I composed in them. Jos Verstappen posted a blog voicing his opinion about a number of things, including him wishing Red Bull pitted Max before Checo. Have you actually read it? If you had you should've noticed that it wasn't all that outrageous, he even admitted that he is obviously very biased as a father, but media reported on it as if he had organized a press conference to directly attack Red Bull management. The thing was blown so much out of proportion that eventually Red Bull had to respond to it. That is what happened. You then decided to just blindly copy the "outrage version" of the story, basically calling to cancel the guy and I called you out for it. There are no "increasingly bizarre claims", there is just this one blog. You should really take a more critical view of (British) media and how they report on things. There is a narrative being spun and you are falling hard for it. I'd advice you to always read and watch interviews etc yourself and not just copy the often exaggerated, out of context made for clicks bs that is so prevalent these days. | ||
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On July 11 2022 14:44 RKC wrote: F1 wants to be really big and truly go global. Widening the viewership base inevitably means attracting all kinds of fans (good, bad, and ugly). Sure, even football is cleaning up its act in kicking out hooliganism and discrimination. But these ugly parts of the sport will never be fully eradicated (unless the viewership base shrinks to a small well-behaving elite). Another case in point is the recent Wimbledon finals where some random fans were yelling and disrupting the players' focus. Can more be done to address fanaticism? Yes. Does fanaticism increase proportionally to a sport's commercial growth? Yes. So perhaps all these recent fan trouble is FI being a victim of its own commercial success. One follows the other. Fanaticism isn't something that should be normalised but it's also something impossible to eradicate (without losing viewership base). You can't eliminate drama away from sports and expect it to be a global mainstream commercial success. And vice versa. Yeah, this is unfortunately very true. To emphasize your point even more; A show that creates fake drama actually did a lot for the popularity of the sport, particularly in the US. And a lot of people actually believe that fake drama as much as any other (exaggerated) stories they come across. If you look at the comments section of any "funny drivers" videos on YT you'll find a lot of comments saying they didn't expect Max to be such a nice guy just because DTS chose to portray him as the villain to create said fake drama. It would sure be nice if media in general would report differently on matters but that's never going to happen sadly; Outrage just sells way too well. | ||
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Excludos
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On July 18 2022 18:32 Penev wrote: Video speaks for itself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idz2eADD5Lo&t=190s I've seen all of these before, yet they absolutely blow my mind whenever I see them again. How someone hasn't been killed from one of these takeoffs is insane | ||
Amui
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On July 19 2022 03:00 Excludos wrote: I've seen all of these before, yet they absolutely blow my mind whenever I see them again. How someone hasn't been killed from one of these takeoffs is insane I think Alex Peroni and especially Sophia's crash were the ones that boggled my mind. Just pure luck that nobody was killed. My belief is that sausage kerbs should only be on the inside of corners such that somebody entering the corner with too much speed would have a very hard time hitting it, or on the exit of very slow corners (Austria for example). Everywhere else the height is just a bit much. I had a chance to check them out when I visited Montreal, and those kerbs are something like 3-4" high. It's something that would hurt to hit in my civic at 50kph, never mind an F1 car with far, far stiffer suspension and no seat padding. Remains to be seen if Ferrari can stop the cars from blowing up, but it seems the root cause may be thermal. If that's the case opening up the vents a little to guarantee reliability probably costs fewer points in the long run. | ||
Excludos
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On July 23 2022 09:05 Amui wrote: I think Alex Peroni and especially Sophia's crash were the ones that boggled my mind. Just pure luck that nobody was killed. My belief is that sausage kerbs should only be on the inside of corners such that somebody entering the corner with too much speed would have a very hard time hitting it, or on the exit of very slow corners (Austria for example). Everywhere else the height is just a bit much. I had a chance to check them out when I visited Montreal, and those kerbs are something like 3-4" high. It's something that would hurt to hit in my civic at 50kph, never mind an F1 car with far, far stiffer suspension and no seat padding. If F1 can just agree on one set of "punishment" for driving wide (Rumble strips that ultra-wears tires seems comes up as a suggestion quite often, and seems like a good idea to me), then you could just remove all sausage curbs everywhere and never be worried about safe placement in the first place. Just yeet them all out of motorsport existence. I can't imagine Moto GP feels very safe around them either, even if they are only on the inside of slow corners | ||
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EDIT: Sainz quietly making his way up to the points. EDIT 2: Hamilton holding off Perez with the slower car here is pretty impressive. | ||
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