Formula 1 Discussion - Page 119

On July 11 2022 06:36 Penev wrote:

Nuance is everything. You presented that topic in a disingenuous way as I said before. You also posted about a blog as if it was some direct attack on Red Bull management, even claiming it was getting "worse and worse" without any evidence backing that up. You're posting a certain narrative that is prevalent on Reddit, and elsewhere, pretty much beat for beat. I'm sorry but decent motorsport media don't do that. That's just tabloid level writing.

And no one asked you for an apology.

On July 11 2022 09:25 Ben... wrote:

Here's a Motorsport article mentioning Jos Verstappen being convicted of violating a restraining order and sending threatening messages to his ex-wife. It also mentions the incident in which he was arrested after a domestic dispute in which it was alleged he tried to run his partner over with a car. And here's an old BBC article talking about his assault charges in which he cracked a dude's skull over a dispute about a go-kart track. When people talk about these various events and Jos Verstappen, they're not making it up. If you dig through older F1 news sites you can find more of it. The dude has a history.

The whole point of that portion of the post I made that you keep referencing is that parts of the F1 media, especially Dutch F1 media, are taking a huge risk by continuing to interview him more frequently at races and somewhat rebuilding his image (the "worse and worse" thing you mention is in reference to Jos saying bizarre things that get reported in the media, like after Monaco when he accused Red Bull of not sufficiently prioritizing Verstappen when it was just the case that Perez was the better driver that weekend and there wasn't anything Red Bull could realistically do to improve things for Max. That kind of thing). The reason for this being that he has this horrible history and it could be dug up the second he says something stupid, much like what happened with Piquet.

My post was in reference to a larger conversation in parts of the F1 media (most notably Hamilton talked about it) about how parts of the F1 media and others keep bringing back and interviewing people who were previously involved with the sport and are known to be problematic people. Hamilton gave a great example of Bernie Ecclestone, who gets several high profile interviews a year despite long being out of the sport. Ecclestone has since gone on to say some pretty appallingly stupid things in an interview that forced F1 to respond and condemn his statements. Every time Ecclestone gets interviewed he does this which hurts F1's image but generates a ton of clicks for whoever did the interview.

On July 11 2022 14:44 RKC wrote:
F1 wants to be really big and truly go global. Widening the viewership base inevitably means attracting all kinds of fans (good, bad, and ugly). Sure, even football is cleaning up its act in kicking out hooliganism and discrimination. But these ugly parts of the sport will never be fully eradicated (unless the viewership base shrinks to a small well-behaving elite). Another case in point is the recent Wimbledon finals where some random fans were yelling and disrupting the players' focus.

Can more be done to address fanaticism? Yes. Does fanaticism increase proportionally to a sport's commercial growth? Yes.

So perhaps all these recent fan trouble is FI being a victim of its own commercial success. One follows the other. Fanaticism isn't something that should be normalised but it's also something impossible to eradicate (without losing viewership base).

You can't eliminate drama away from sports and expect it to be a global mainstream commercial success. And vice versa.

On July 18 2022 18:32 Penev wrote:
Video speaks for itself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idz2eADD5Lo&t=190s

On July 19 2022 03:00 Excludos wrote:


I've seen all of these before, yet they absolutely blow my mind whenever I see them again. How someone hasn't been killed from one of these takeoffs is insane

On July 23 2022 09:05 Amui wrote:

I think Alex Peroni and especially Sophia's crash were the ones that boggled my mind. Just pure luck that nobody was killed. My belief is that sausage kerbs should only be on the inside of corners such that somebody entering the corner with too much speed would have a very hard time hitting it, or on the exit of very slow corners (Austria for example). Everywhere else the height is just a bit much. I had a chance to check them out when I visited Montreal, and those kerbs are something like 3-4" high. It's something that would hurt to hit in my civic at 50kph, never mind an F1 car with far, far stiffer suspension and no seat padding.