NBA Season 2017-2018 - Page 43

On December 02 2017 00:35 JimmiC wrote:


I was saying that the analytics you presented underrate DD and lowry. I was using team success and the changing players around them, as well as players looking better with them then after (patterson and so on).

You are basically using the religion argument. Person a "i dont belive" person b " but in the bible/koran/whatever it says x" person a " but i dont belive in your book" person b "but have you read this passage from my book it proves it"

Lol

*and no i dont hate all analytics i just have done enough reading on it in regards to basketball to knownthat the catch alls dont catch all. And you need to dive deeper to get the whole story

On December 02 2017 04:10 JimmiC wrote:
that you dont understand or put context too, to try to convince me.

On December 02 2017 08:08 JimmiC wrote:
I never said DeRozens d is good.

I'm going to broaden this up a little in saying that it isn't necessarily about the minutes, but more so, rotations and who's on the court with who.
Isolating Tyus first, when Thibs rolls out his archaic, full platoon swaps, it leaves Tyus on the court with Crawford. Tyus almost always defers to Crawford, pigeonholing himself into the role of a 3 point shooter. Not his ideal role. Tyus has shown value in running our offense, an area that he even surpasses Teague. In the bench lineup, Crawford basically just runs a 2-man, PnR game, great if he's hot, not so great if he's not. Everyone else stands around and we get our lazy looking offense. Crawford needs those shots to be effective, but it renders Tyus obsolete.
We see this with the starters too. Teague doesn't initiate the offense nearly as well because, he has more of a mind towards scoring himself. Not knocking Teague at all, he is a good scorer, but Tyus just doesn't call his own number nearly as often. It's not only Jeff either. Wiggins and Butler do this when they bring the ball up as well. Often times ~10 seconds is wasted as the ball handler looks to score themselves. If its not there, we are out of sync without time to reset the offense. Queue a bad iso look as the shot clock expires.
Tyus mixing in with the starters gets the ball moving and seems to open their eyes up to more passing. It's like when Tyus has the ball players cut more because they know he's looking. Throw Bjelly in with the starters and you have a guy that spaces the floor and is open for kickouts. Butler with the bench allows him to playmake. Thibs is doing it a little more lately. I've seen Wiggins stagger a little with the bench, although, I'd prefer if that was Butler.
Probably a lot of incomplete thoughts, but I hope the point comes across.

On December 02 2017 09:05 JimmiC wrote:
The way xRAPM is calculated it cant, at least not accurately show improvement over a couple of games. This is a big reason of why they dont even post the site on the website for 20 games.

Its honestly shocking with how much you love it how little about it you understand.

On December 02 2017 10:09 JimmiC wrote:
Your "it changed lots so it's good" is actually showing that there is not enough info so it's moving lots because it has not stabilized.

On December 02 2017 10:09 JimmiC wrote:
They update for people like you who use it like a ranking system, even though they say not too, and so they can write articles about it.