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prolly be a good idea to stop using "we". there is a variety of opinion on the board. if you want to speak for yourself that's cool. just don't claim you speak for "everyone".
to wit.
On February 09 2018 09:10 andrewlt wrote:
George Hill is a decent sized point guard. He is considered a good defender and he has shot well from 3 this year.
i agree i think he is a good defender. regarding his 3s : 45% from 3 this year and 38% for his career.
On February 10 2018 01:18 JimmiC wrote:
Edit to your sig comment: It was not passive aggressive it was clear and direct, and one time was about you. Then I found out about your issues and I changed it to apologize and have since been trying to be nicer to you and help you out. We don't need you to go KD again and start talking to yourself through Keyboard Warrior again. That was disturbing.
i'm not Keyboard Warrior. you should contact a mod and settle it if you think its a problem though. they can go through his posts and my posts and determine we are not the same person.
issues? LOL. is this the JimmyJRaynor thread or the NBA thread? you sure talk about me a lot.
at this point you should stop talking about me and start talking about the NBA. i'm boring. the NBA is entertaining so its an easy choice.
In conclusion: 1 guy says Hill will be above average. 1 guy says he might become average.
That wraps up the George Hill debate for me.
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The Cavs won't be that much better. Just bet against them to make it out of the East
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how many of the 4 new cleveland guys will be available to play tonight?
On February 10 2018 02:58 Ace wrote:
The Cavs won't be that much better. Just bet against them to make it out of the East
i think the Cavs will be better. what ODDS did you get?
i have
Raptors 40% chance to win the East.
Celtics 40% chance to win the East.
Cavs 20% chance to win the East.
before the trades i thought the Cavs chance of winning the East was about 0%.
Hood has never been a good defender. His offense is ok and as a shooter he is improving incrementally. JR Smith now has a direct competitor for his starting job.
The Rodney Hood//JR Smith competition for minutes will be interesting to watch unfold. i wouldn't be surprised to see a 24/24 split. Also, i wouldn't be surprised to see Lue play whoever has the hot hand on any given night the most.
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I'd give them a less than 5% chance. Running into Miami or Philly in the 1st round is game over.
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Brad Stevens and Dwane Casey both agree. Toronto's best guard combo right now is VanVleet/Wright.
+ Show Spoiler +
Casey says they have to find some time to let Lowry and Derozan play to keep their rhythm. The problem is the bench is playing too good. LOLOLOLOL.
i love Casey.
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On February 10 2018 03:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Brad Stevens and Dwane Casey both agree. Toronto's best guard combo right now is VanVleet/Wright. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoXZfag4Z4c Casey says they have to find some time to let Lowry and Derozan play to keep their rhythm. The problem is the bench is playing too good. LOLOLOLOL. i love Casey.
Hahaha. Toronto is the team I'm hoping the Cavs have to face. Jeez even Poetl might demolish the Cavs best lineup with Love at Center
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If Toronto has an elimination game against Cleveland in the playoffs there will be 25,000 people in "Jurassic Park" watching on the big screen. In Toronto's #1 suburb where the Raptors905 play there will be 10,000+ people watching in their city-square big screen.
this town will go ape-shit.
Cavs Tonight
starting lineup is Jose Calderon, Cedi , JR, James, Thompson
https://streamable.com/8md5w
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Rofl. For all the talk about IT being a terrible defender, Calderon is pretty much the same. And JR hasn't been good for 2 years. Yikes.
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Prolly Hill can't get his physical and make it to the game in time. I can't see Calderon starting over Hill permanently. I think Hill is going to get a lot of playing time as a starter.
I found this tidbit from Zach Lowe about George Hill. I don't always agree with him but even when i disagree its only by degrees.
i really didn't know much about Hill until the Raptors//Pacers playoff series in 2016. After that series I was pretty impressed.
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Hill is good. Problem is he won't be enough to solve how bad the rest of the Cavs outside of Lebron and Love are
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Defensive PGs are only valuable if you have a good overall defense that requires ball handling to break down. If you have a soft underbelly, you just have to pass away from said PG and you've completely negated his value.
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The recent Zach Lowe article talks about how Hill's 43% 3-pt shooting percentage this year is because of how selective he is with his shots. Even if he shoots more, his career 38% shooting is good enough.
Ace,
No love for Hood (when he is healthy) or Nance (when he is healthy)?
On February 10 2018 01:52 JimmiC wrote:
Top Buyout Candidates are:
Belinelli
Frye
Joe Johnson
Tony Allen
Rose
Noah
Vince Carter,
And Diaw apparently wants to come back from France.
You have some decent 3 point gunners. You have Joe Johnson if you want iso scoring. The ex bulls will probably end up with Thibs or no where (especially Noah I can't see anyone else wanting him)
Diaw could go anywhere, maybe the spurs?
Will be interesting to see, I think the Raps will be interested in the the 3 point shooting. Celts seem full. GSW will get some one, Cavs might have a roster spot but apparently that's Perkins. I guess houston might want some one? Any one else have any guesses?
Cavs traded 6 players away and got 4 in return. They may have 2 roster spots.
I think GSW's problem is that most of the bench players don't get enough minutes to get into a rhythm. They need either McCaw or Swaggy to take charge of one rotation spot. McCaw is a young player who needs reps so he actually asked the coaching staff to play in the G-League. Swaggy seems up and down this year.
I think Houston just needs depth in case of injury. Ariza is injured right now and they've had wings go in and out of the lineup all year.
I find it crazy that Thibs might get the ex-Bulls in Minny. Bellinelli might still be ok but Noah and Rose are washed up and don't really fit that team, or any team for that matter.
Thunder could grab Tony Allen to fill Roberson's void, if he can still play defense.
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On February 10 2018 05:25 Jerubaal wrote:
Defensive PGs are only valuable if you have a good overall defense that requires ball handling to break down. If you have a soft underbelly, you just have to pass away from said PG and you've completely negated his value.
ya, good point, in a half court set scheme that can be true. However, Hill doesn't just defend PGs and not every offensive trip is a half court set scheme. I've seen Hill effectively keep SGs and SFs in front of him.
There is no offensive scheme where George Hill's ability to defend multiple positions is negated into being meaningless when the previous alternative was Isaiah Thomas and Jose Calderon.
defensively, Hill is a big improvement over Isaiah Thomas, Jose Calderon, and whoever else Cleveland stuck at PG even with lousy interior defense.
here is a bit of a closer look at Hill the defender.
https://thejnotes.com/2016/06/27/utah-jazz-george-hill-really-good-defender/
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I think Hood is ok sometimes. Nance is ok and can put up numbers.
One issue is they are thrown into a Cavs team with no good Center and a defense that will still hemorrhage points. The 4 teams I think that can really crush them in the East (Boston, Toronto, Philly, Miami) all have bigs that the Cavs can not play Tristan Thompson against. Which means Love or LeBron at Center. Good luck keeping that up.
The REALLY big issue is a microcosm of what happened vs Golden State last year: when LeBron goes to the bench they are going to get blown the fuck out. Toronto, Miami, and Boston have multiple bench contributors that would give Cavs starters headaches. They still have to play JR Smith minutes. And no amount of lineup changing is going to alter how terrible he is now.
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On February 10 2018 05:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2018 05:25 Jerubaal wrote:
Defensive PGs are only valuable if you have a good overall defense that requires ball handling to break down. If you have a soft underbelly, you just have to pass away from said PG and you've completely negated his value. ya, good point, in a half court set scheme that can be true. However, Hill doesn't just defend PGs and not every offensive trip is a half court set scheme. I've seen Hill effectively keep SGs and SFs in front of him. There is no offensive scheme where George Hill's ability to defend multiple positions is negated into being meaningless when the previous alternative was Isaiah Thomas and Jose Calderon. defensively, Hill is a big improvement over Isaiah Thomas, Jose Calderon, and whoever else Cleveland stuck at PG even with lousy interior defense. here is a bit of a closer look at Hill the defender. https://thejnotes.com/2016/06/27/utah-jazz-george-hill-really-good-defender/
You should really stop parroting NBA media talk. "Defend multiple positions". Who cares? Can he defend them WELL is what you should be asking. When Lowry runs a PnR with JV are you going to care that Hill can defend "bigs" or that his lack of footspeed on closeouts will get him killed vs nasty spot up shooters like CJ waiting in the short corner? George Hill isn't Paul George or Kawhi. The Cavs are still going to get murdered.
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On February 10 2018 05:52 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2018 05:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 10 2018 05:25 Jerubaal wrote:
Defensive PGs are only valuable if you have a good overall defense that requires ball handling to break down. If you have a soft underbelly, you just have to pass away from said PG and you've completely negated his value. ya, good point, in a half court set scheme that can be true. However, Hill doesn't just defend PGs and not every offensive trip is a half court set scheme. I've seen Hill effectively keep SGs and SFs in front of him. There is no offensive scheme where George Hill's ability to defend multiple positions is negated into being meaningless when the previous alternative was Isaiah Thomas and Jose Calderon. defensively, Hill is a big improvement over Isaiah Thomas, Jose Calderon, and whoever else Cleveland stuck at PG even with lousy interior defense. here is a bit of a closer look at Hill the defender. https://thejnotes.com/2016/06/27/utah-jazz-george-hill-really-good-defender/ You should really stop parroting NBA media talk. "Defend multiple positions". Who cares? Can he defend them WELL is what you should be asking. When Lowry runs a PnR with JV are you going to care that Hill can defend "bigs" or that his lack of footspeed on closeouts will get him killed vs nasty spot up shooters like CJ waiting in the short corner? George Hill isn't Paul George or Kawhi. The Cavs are still going to get murdered.
and they are feeding JV the ball more and more... something i've been begging for for 3 years. I honestly thought it would never happen. I guess giving Kyle $90+ million buys you some concessions. 
i think u missed this line in my wall of text.
"I've seen Hill effectively keep SGs and SFs in front of him."
i hope Cleveland gets murdered.
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Yes but keeping some SGs and SFs in front of him doesn't mean he is a good defender. The ability to switch isn't effective if the lineup is filled with morons like JR Smith.
God I hope they face Toronto.
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