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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-11 22:05:01
February 11 2018 18:40 GMT
#2261
the best 5 man unit for the Raptors the past month is
VanVleet-Wright-Miles-Siakam-Poetl.

my god they are a holy 5 man terror squad on defense.
On February 10 2018 06:19 Ace wrote:
Yes but keeping some SGs and SFs in front of him doesn't mean he is a good defender. The ability to switch isn't effective if the lineup is filled with morons like JR Smith.

God I hope they face Toronto.

i think we are seeing today why Hill keeping Tatum or Brown or Irving in front of him has value. Hill is playing some good defense today.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 11 2018 22:56 GMT
#2262
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
February 11 2018 23:24 GMT
#2263
I honestly thought the Cavs were going to continue to struggle while this new group worked to build its chemistry. I forgot the older team didn't have any chemistry either. Cavs are just younger, better defensively, and better shooting, and most importantly they are actually putting in effort.

Looks like JR got his confidence back. For a while he was hitting the side of the backboard with his shots and clearly lost his confidence because he was passing up wide open 3s and trying to put the ball on the floor. Now he's back to throwing up shots while falling out of bounds with a defender right in his face and swishing them.

JR shot 31% from 3 in January. LBJ shot 22% from 3 in January after starting the year shooting 45% through the first 3 months. Both are white hot in February, shooting nearly 50% from 3. Only a 5 game sample size but hopefully they can keep it going.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-11 23:51:02
February 11 2018 23:43 GMT
#2264
if i were toronto, boston or cleveland.. philly is the team i'd want to avoid in the 1st round.
On February 12 2018 07:56 JimmiC wrote: Hill played just 21 mins looked ok,

it was a blowout so no one played 30 minutes. Hill was better than "ok". 13 points in 21 minutes on 8 shots is ok? +17 in 21 minutes against a 40-16 team is ok? as usual his defense was good. Hill played zero minutes of garbage time.

i disagree with SVG saying Hill's defense has always been "excellent". He was probably just excited about the play Hill just made. i've yet to hear any serious NBA analyst describe Hill's defense as "ok" or "average". not one.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 11 2018 23:57 GMT
#2265
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Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
February 12 2018 00:04 GMT
#2266
Keep in mind though, that Boston has been absolutely terrible for a few games now. This game could just be a symptom of that more than any evidence that Cavs are that much better.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 12 2018 01:37 GMT
#2267
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-12 03:00:57
February 12 2018 02:55 GMT
#2268
Rubio out tonight.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/jazzs-ricky-rubio-questionable-sunday-vs-trail-blazers/
On February 12 2018 08:57 JimmiC wrote:
He was fine, and that is good

by that standard Wiggins was below average tonight.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 12 2018 03:10 GMT
#2269
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-12 03:58:11
February 12 2018 03:27 GMT
#2270
Congratz to Dwane Casey on his 300th win coaching the Raptors.

its pretty unfair to Charlotte to play on the west coast at 10pm and then have to play a 1 pm game after 1 day off... no wonder they looked like crap.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 13 2018 00:15 GMT
#2271
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-13 01:13:08
February 13 2018 01:07 GMT
#2272
On February 12 2018 12:10 JimmiC wrote:
I didnt watch twolves sac tonight but id take wiggins line
18 8 3 1 1 7/13
Vs
12-3-1-0-0 3/8
But more than that, i have no idea why they would be compared or are comparable


this is the standard offensive boxscore analysis of player performance that is fairly common. it drops a lot of context. I'll add some context.

Wiggins played with 2 all stars and 2 solid veteran players against the team in the NBA with the least amount of wins. During his time on the floor Minnesota scored a lot of points, however, they gave up 4 more points than the opposition. This on a night when Minnesota won by 5. So (-4) playing with 2 all stars and 2 vets against the team in the NBA with the fewest # of wins. His team was +9 in his 13 minutes on the bench. Wiggins was poor last night.

Hill played on a team thrown together 2 days ago against a team that is 40-16 with the best defense in the NBA. Hill played during the most competitive parts of the game and not during any garbage time. No other Cavalier player was a (+) player on a per minute basis higher than Hill during the most competitive parts of the game, namely, +0.81 per minute. Hill produced 1.5 points for every shot he took against the best defense in the NBA. Hill pressured the ball out of Boston's best play maker and best ball carrier ... one Kyrie Irving.

Hill played better than Wiggins yesterday. It is not close.
Proposing Wiggins played better than Hill based on offensive boxscore stats is a fool's errand.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 13 2018 01:12 GMT
#2273
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-13 01:21:25
February 13 2018 01:13 GMT
#2274
i watched both games and Hill outplayed Wiggins. It was not close.

i would not say Hill was "amazing" I'd say Hill was clearly above average and Wiggins was downright bad. This is how a team with 2 all stars and 2 solid vets ends up in a 46 minute war with a bad Kings team.

going through the back and forth about boxscore analysis and its inherent flaws makes for a quality pedagogical exercise for the lurkers in the thread.
so, thank you, for posting on this matter.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 13 2018 01:24 GMT
#2275
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-13 03:58:27
February 13 2018 03:31 GMT
#2276
that Mitchell//Gasol double head-butt was grotesque.
Rudy Gobert lookin' like a 7'1" allen iverson... LOL

Utah commentator guy : "looks to me like they are missing Rubio tonight. the offense is just not in synch".
On February 13 2018 10:24 JimmiC wrote:
I'm not arguing with you, like I said originally. I'm just pointing out that it is a stupid argument you are trying to have and that you a troll for continually trying to have it!

i don't really consider it an argument. its a pedagogical exercise.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
February 13 2018 23:08 GMT
#2277
Speculation is Westbrook will play tonight. He went through his standard pre game routine after shoot-around.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 13 2018 23:45 GMT
#2278
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 13 2018 23:48 GMT
#2279
On February 14 2018 08:45 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2018 09:15 JimmiC wrote:
Here a chart from cleaning the glass I came across. The stats are showing on a percentile basis how their team compared with them on vs off the court. This is for defense and is the worst one I have ever seen! Guess the player?



TEAM EFFICIENCY AND FOUR FACTORS
The "on/off diff" rows show the difference in how the team performed with the player on vs. off the court for each of these stats.

Pts/poss eFG% TOV% ORB% FT rate
8 29 25 6 37
10 13 25 41 43
58 42 47 47 56
9 7 18 69 48



If anyone was interested the player was Zach Lavine! The bottom row is him on the Bulls and it down right horrible! That being said he a great steal and breakaway dunk to seal their game last night, so maybe there is hope!

Except both teams were trying to lose at the end...
Freeeeeeedom
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 14 2018 00:00 GMT
#2280
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