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On July 22 2017 16:54 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2017 13:46 andrewlt wrote:
The problem with Kyrie is that the Cavs haven't been exactly great when Lebron sits. He has had clutch moments in games but he hasn't been able to do it or carry the team whenever Lebron is resting. For sure, but look at the team. It basically has 2 defenders, and 1 is Lebron, and no competent wing aside from him. Also thier offensive "system" is nearly indistinguishable from the old "toilet bowl" offense OKC would run with Durant + Westbrook, just more effective because they have more spot up 3 pt shooters.
And Lebron is slower on defense already
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^ Wow! I think if Cavs trade Lebron, it would be the biggest most insane event in sports history,
Do it, Gilbert!
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Lebron has a no trade clause I thought.
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On July 23 2017 01:02 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Lebron has a no trade clause I thought.
hes never needed one, as of course, no one ever thought someone would be stupid enough to trade him. i wonder who'd trade for him as a rental
my bad he does have a no trade clause
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And now, rumors are that Lebron's camp leaked the Kyrie trade request to the media, and Kyrie's camp is livid at Lebron, calling him "lying fuck boy" on IG. Welcome to E!NBA!
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Once you found out the details and that it came from Windy, that was obvious, no? Narrative was extremely anti-Kyrie.
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On July 21 2017 12:54 Keyboard Warrior wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2017 14:11 RowdierBob wrote:
Bingo. It'd be interesting to compare that to other MVP caliber guys like Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, CP3, Curry and Durant. Ask and you shall receive GAME WINNING/TYING POSSESSIONS STATISTICS![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tFYIzgO.jpg) notes: - I might add curry and leonard later, probably much later since my head is full of replays and stats of basketball from the last couple days of binging
- While looking at durants games, I had a hard time looking for currys records, maybe because the warriors are rarely in game winning or tying situations???
- Stockton is underrated. he is legendary level, way beyond any passer. Malone made his numbers look good as well
- Jason kidd is a sneaky intelligent passer. Now i can really see the lonzo ball comparison.
- the thing i notice while watching the last second plays, the traditional playmakers (bottom group in the chart), they all effortlessly manipulate defenses and either wait for the mistake and make the pass, or force rolls and switches allow the play to develop and ,make the pass. in lebrons case, majority of it is 5-8 seconds dribbling beyond the arc, surveying his shooters, then speeding towards the paint and making the pass to the open man. A lot of his later plays this way are easily telegraphed by the warriors, and even boston had some success reading them.
CONCLUSION: lebron among superstars is a epic bad clutch situation scorer (33%) (bryant 53%, durant 62%, harden 50%, westbrook 20% LOL), and is epic terrible playmaker at clutch vs. other playmakers (26%) (Kidd 50%, Nash 52%, Stockton 61%, Paul 44%)
Can you give me the source?
I don't agree with your conclusion. In fact, your sample size is quite small, so it's very difficult to conclude lebron is bad clutch.
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On July 22 2017 20:05 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2017 15:09 zev318 wrote:
none of those 4 teams have the parts (knicks/heat) or would want to trade for kyrie (spurs/wolves), not that he's a bad player, but that he's not the kind of player they need.
spurs would almost be guaranteed to want to send LMA the other way, but would the cavs want him? i think they want to get faster, not slower. Pop could be the Kyrie whisperer
Tony Parker is a scorer who is not known for his defense either. Kyrie could actually work there if the Spurs have the assets.
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On July 21 2017 12:54 Keyboard Warrior wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2017 14:11 RowdierBob wrote:
Bingo. It'd be interesting to compare that to other MVP caliber guys like Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, CP3, Curry and Durant. Ask and you shall receive GAME WINNING/TYING POSSESSIONS STATISTICSnotes: - I might add curry and leonard later, probably much later since my head is full of replays and stats of basketball from the last couple days of binging
- While looking at durants games, I had a hard time looking for currys records, maybe because the warriors are rarely in game winning or tying situations???
- Stockton is underrated. he is legendary level, way beyond any passer. Malone made his numbers look good as well
- Jason kidd is a sneaky intelligent passer. Now i can really see the lonzo ball comparison.
- the thing i notice while watching the last second plays, the traditional playmakers (bottom group in the chart), they all effortlessly manipulate defenses and either wait for the mistake and make the pass, or force rolls and switches allow the play to develop and ,make the pass. in lebrons case, majority of it is 5-8 seconds dribbling beyond the arc, surveying his shooters, then speeding towards the paint and making the pass to the open man. A lot of his later plays this way are easily telegraphed by the warriors, and even boston had some success reading them.
CONCLUSION: lebron among superstars is a epic bad clutch situation scorer (33%) (bryant 53%, durant 62%, harden 50%, westbrook 20% LOL), and is epic terrible playmaker at clutch vs. other playmakers (26%) (Kidd 50%, Nash 52%, Stockton 61%, Paul 44%)
On July 24 2017 22:55 ghostmaster93 wrote:
Can you give me the source?
I don't agree with your conclusion. In fact, your sample size is quite small, so it's very difficult to conclude lebron is bad clutch.
Lol you idiot. Do you even know what you are talking about? The conclusion is the direct result of the statistics. And what small sample size are you blabbing over? The data that i posted is all the data there is.
Sources are nba.com stats, bballreference, and nba league pass and yt vids. first i looked for ALL po games that had 1 or 2 pt win margin, and overtime. the i looked at game distribution is there was a game winning or tying shot. then i watched the game to see the possession.
And have you seen the other post about lebron in clutch situations?
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nobody talking about derrick rose to the cavs? :3
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well that's what happens to a 1 dimensional player who got injured and cant do that 1 dimension good anymore
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2M/1yr is waaaaay below the market value, but I think Rose is on a redemption tour and will either come out blazing or have a career-ending injury (I sincerely wish this does not happen to him). I do not see him being lowballed and practically humbled this much and simply go gently into the night.
In other news, just as we all expected before the offseason started, OKC will have Westbrook, PG13, and Me7o!!! Epic wtff moment for all of us. Although news is Me7o will make the announcement later this afternoon, and Rockets is still a preferred destination.
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On July 25 2017 09:04 Keyboard Warrior wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2017 12:54 Keyboard Warrior wrote:On July 20 2017 14:11 RowdierBob wrote:
Bingo. It'd be interesting to compare that to other MVP caliber guys like Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, CP3, Curry and Durant. Ask and you shall receive GAME WINNING/TYING POSSESSIONS STATISTICSnotes: - I might add curry and leonard later, probably much later since my head is full of replays and stats of basketball from the last couple days of binging
- While looking at durants games, I had a hard time looking for currys records, maybe because the warriors are rarely in game winning or tying situations???
- Stockton is underrated. he is legendary level, way beyond any passer. Malone made his numbers look good as well
- Jason kidd is a sneaky intelligent passer. Now i can really see the lonzo ball comparison.
- the thing i notice while watching the last second plays, the traditional playmakers (bottom group in the chart), they all effortlessly manipulate defenses and either wait for the mistake and make the pass, or force rolls and switches allow the play to develop and ,make the pass. in lebrons case, majority of it is 5-8 seconds dribbling beyond the arc, surveying his shooters, then speeding towards the paint and making the pass to the open man. A lot of his later plays this way are easily telegraphed by the warriors, and even boston had some success reading them.
CONCLUSION: lebron among superstars is a epic bad clutch situation scorer (33%) (bryant 53%, durant 62%, harden 50%, westbrook 20% LOL), and is epic terrible playmaker at clutch vs. other playmakers (26%) (Kidd 50%, Nash 52%, Stockton 61%, Paul 44%) Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 22:55 ghostmaster93 wrote:
Can you give me the source?
I don't agree with your conclusion. In fact, your sample size is quite small, so it's very difficult to conclude lebron is bad clutch. Lol you idiot. Do you even know what you are talking about? The conclusion is the direct result of the statistics. And what small sample size are you blabbing over? The data that i posted is all the data there is. Sources are nba.com stats, bballreference, and nba league pass and yt vids. first i looked for ALL po games that had 1 or 2 pt win margin, and overtime. the i looked at game distribution is there was a game winning or tying shot. then i watched the game to see the possession. And have you seen the other post about lebron in clutch situations?
Seriously? You have to relax man. It was a valid reply. I mean you hae a good post, and based on your reply, I think your method is valid as well, but calm down.
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BREAKING NEWS: Kyrie Irving has unfollowed Lebron on Instagram.
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