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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 18 2017 15:01 GMT
#761
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 18 2017 15:05 GMT
#762
How long is GSW predicted to keep their core? Not too aware of contracts timeline and stuff.
I know that Klay and Draymond's free agencies are coming up in like, 2018 and 2019 or something?
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 18 2017 15:10 GMT
#763
Well, for the Rockets, part of it could be the owner wanting to sell the franchise. They have certainly generated buzz and being labelled a championship contender could up their price.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 18 2017 15:36 GMT
#764
Would be funny if the owner told the GM: "Dude, get me a bunch of popular stars over there so I can sell this shit."
Would explain why it seems like on paper Paul+Harden+Anthony doesn't make much sense :D.
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
July 18 2017 15:39 GMT
#765
What does it mean for the houston players? is it simply a change of management? or will player contracts be affected?
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-18 15:48:54
July 18 2017 15:40 GMT
#766
Last time, I made a post that undeniably explained why lebron is a bad clutch player and is clearly not as good as kobe during clutch time in terms of both scoring, making the game winning/equalizing shot AND playmaking.

See the link here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/523843-nba-offseason-2017?page=29#567

Now, I make this post to focus on lebron fans saying that he may not be clutch but he always makes the right plays. but does he? Enjoy the data!


A. Total Passes on clutch game winning/ game tying situations: 26
B. Miss/made shots out of 26: 19 misses / 7 makes
C. Successful game winning/tying assist percentage 7/26 or 26.9%

D. Distance from rim during pass (Out of 26)
D1. Passes from the 3pt line and beyond: 4/26
D2. Passes from 20-23 ft (long 2): 4/26
D3. Passes from 15-20 ft (perimeter) :4/26
D4. Passes from 8-15 ft (short range) : 5/26
D5. Passes from withing 8 ft (practically below the rim) : 9/26

E. Pass receiver distance from rim (Out of 26)
E1. 3pt line and beyond: 12/26
E2. 20-23 ft (long 2): 6/26
E3. 15-20 ft (perimeter) :5/26
E4. 8-15 ft (short range) : 3/26
E5. withing 8 ft (practically below the rim) : 0/26

F. Pass receiver shot quality (Out of 26)
F1. Passes to wide open teammates (at least 6 feet of nearest defender) : 5/26
F2. Passes to open teammates (at least 3 feet of nearest defender) : 7/27
F3. Passes to defended teammates (defender can potentially block the shot) : 11/26
F4. Passes to closed teammates (teammate cannot make the shot) : 3/26

G. Odds and Ends
G1. Majority of passess to 3 point line are to Kyrie (2016 Championship shot) and Love
G2. Only 4/26 include double teams. All of them are single coverage defense on lebron
G3. Data does not include situation of lebron's defender (is he in good position to block/challenge, or out of position, or in foul trouble)

tldr;
  1. lebron is a BAD PLAYMAKER.
  2. He passed up on 26 potential game winners. just let that sink in. If kobe is a clutch shot ball hog, lebron is a clutch host avoider.
  3. Only 26% [C] of his "playmaking" result in game winners
  4. He passes 35% of potential game winning shot when he is already within 8ft of the rim where he has a career FG% of 75-80%
  5. Consider the Korver pass, Draymond had 5 fouls and was reluctant to even meet him full on, yet he still made the pass to Korver who was cold all game. To make matters worse, curry saw it a mile away and began covering the passing lane and gaining defensive position even before the pass was made.
  6. His so-called "playmaking" does not really translate to consistent wide open shots for his teammates. only 5/26 or 19% are wide open while majority 11/26 or 42% are blockable shots. [F] Compare this to the way Stockton, Kidd, Nash, and other real playmakers create openings and shots for their teammates and lebrons "playmaking" is exposed as a joke
  7. Consider the busted 2 for 1 Kyrie play in game 3. We all remember how Kyrie went stupid going for the challenged stepback 3 instead of driving for the win which he was unstoppable at all game long, but upon closer inspection, that play included lebron and his "playmaking". kyrie is a genius 1on1 player. As that possession developed, lelbron went 5-10 ft beyond the arc, hands on waist, and motioned jr smith to set for irving. this delayed kyrie's rhythm and gave the opportunity for the defense to settle and effectively negating kyrie's 1on1 advantage. that is clear poor understanding of teammates strengths and quick high IQ thinking when needed.



CONCLUSION: No, lebron is not a good playmaker. He is bad and has makes poor decisions in clutch time.


This has been a tough effort but totally worth it. I'm interested in doing lebron's defensive skills next whether its really good, average, or overrated. Would you be interested in that?

Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
July 18 2017 15:42 GMT
#767
On July 19 2017 00:39 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
What does it mean for the houston players? is it simply a change of management? or will player contracts be affected?


just the owner. unless the owner decides to do random shit, then, ya it could affect management/players
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 18 2017 16:24 GMT
#768
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 18 2017 16:37 GMT
#769
It's not even a change in management, at least in the short term. It's just a change of ownership.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-18 20:09:18
July 18 2017 19:37 GMT
#770
As up and coming Rockets fan - but also doing a shitton for HSC I am trying to soak up all the news. Should I be worried? Got sucked up into Rockets by Harden (obviously...) - not keeping track of all the players super close and being quiet new to basketball D:

Can someone maybe explain the process pre-season? :/


Edit: Also is there a cheaper way than 29€/month to watch NBA? In Germany we have Sport 1US but doesnt show all the games I believe. DAZN I tried but they dont even show summer league..
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-18 21:08:41
July 18 2017 21:08 GMT
#771
Nbahd.net. If youre ok with obnoxious popups. I actually had the league pass but the quality was so bad and i disliked the app for my ipad so much that i started streaming the games on that site instead.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
July 19 2017 00:13 GMT
#772
On July 19 2017 00:40 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
Last time, I made a post that undeniably explained why lebron is a bad clutch player and is clearly not as good as kobe during clutch time in terms of both scoring, making the game winning/equalizing shot AND playmaking.

See the link here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/523843-nba-offseason-2017?page=29#567

Now, I make this post to focus on lebron fans saying that he may not be clutch but he always makes the right plays. but does he? Enjoy the data!


A. Total Passes on clutch game winning/ game tying situations: 26
B. Miss/made shots out of 26: 19 misses / 7 makes
C. Successful game winning/tying assist percentage 7/26 or 26.9%

D. Distance from rim during pass (Out of 26)
D1. Passes from the 3pt line and beyond: 4/26
D2. Passes from 20-23 ft (long 2): 4/26
D3. Passes from 15-20 ft (perimeter) :4/26
D4. Passes from 8-15 ft (short range) : 5/26
D5. Passes from withing 8 ft (practically below the rim) : 9/26

E. Pass receiver distance from rim (Out of 26)
E1. 3pt line and beyond: 12/26
E2. 20-23 ft (long 2): 6/26
E3. 15-20 ft (perimeter) :5/26
E4. 8-15 ft (short range) : 3/26
E5. withing 8 ft (practically below the rim) : 0/26

F. Pass receiver shot quality (Out of 26)
F1. Passes to wide open teammates (at least 6 feet of nearest defender) : 5/26
F2. Passes to open teammates (at least 3 feet of nearest defender) : 7/27
F3. Passes to defended teammates (defender can potentially block the shot) : 11/26
F4. Passes to closed teammates (teammate cannot make the shot) : 3/26

G. Odds and Ends
G1. Majority of passess to 3 point line are to Kyrie (2016 Championship shot) and Love
G2. Only 4/26 include double teams. All of them are single coverage defense on lebron
G3. Data does not include situation of lebron's defender (is he in good position to block/challenge, or out of position, or in foul trouble)

tldr;
  1. lebron is a BAD PLAYMAKER.
  2. He passed up on 26 potential game winners. just let that sink in. If kobe is a clutch shot ball hog, lebron is a clutch host avoider.
  3. Only 26% [C] of his "playmaking" result in game winners
  4. He passes 35% of potential game winning shot when he is already within 8ft of the rim where he has a career FG% of 75-80%
  5. Consider the Korver pass, Draymond had 5 fouls and was reluctant to even meet him full on, yet he still made the pass to Korver who was cold all game. To make matters worse, curry saw it a mile away and began covering the passing lane and gaining defensive position even before the pass was made.
  6. His so-called "playmaking" does not really translate to consistent wide open shots for his teammates. only 5/26 or 19% are wide open while majority 11/26 or 42% are blockable shots. [F] Compare this to the way Stockton, Kidd, Nash, and other real playmakers create openings and shots for their teammates and lebrons "playmaking" is exposed as a joke
  7. Consider the busted 2 for 1 Kyrie play in game 3. We all remember how Kyrie went stupid going for the challenged stepback 3 instead of driving for the win which he was unstoppable at all game long, but upon closer inspection, that play included lebron and his "playmaking". kyrie is a genius 1on1 player. As that possession developed, lelbron went 5-10 ft beyond the arc, hands on waist, and motioned jr smith to set for irving. this delayed kyrie's rhythm and gave the opportunity for the defense to settle and effectively negating kyrie's 1on1 advantage. that is clear poor understanding of teammates strengths and quick high IQ thinking when needed.



CONCLUSION: No, lebron is not a good playmaker. He is bad and has makes poor decisions in clutch time.


This has been a tough effort but totally worth it. I'm interested in doing lebron's defensive skills next whether its really good, average, or overrated. Would you be interested in that?


Wow! These are horrible numbers. I knew there was something wrong with passing instead of making the shot himself, but if Lebron's assists are not as good as we thought it was, this is really bad. I think adding Lebron's FG% on the areas where he passed would give us a more complete picture.
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 20 2017 02:10 GMT
#773
Wouldn't we need to compare this to the average and other individual performances?
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13537 Posts
July 20 2017 05:11 GMT
#774
Bingo. It'd be interesting to compare that to other MVP caliber guys like Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, CP3, Curry and Durant.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 20 2017 10:04 GMT
#775
Regardless of comparisons, passing for a lower percentage shot than your own (under clutch situations), when you're already most likely close to the basket, is not really "clutch".

For me the eye-test confirms it too. Sometimes Lebron is not aggressive enough as a scorer, goes into this pass-first mindset and will prefer to make what he feels is the "correct" play. I'm even talking about in the middle of a game as well, not just the end. It's fine that you want to get your teammates going, but the scariest Lebron is the one who bullies his way to the rim, posts up dudes and draws fouls. It's so weird when you see him being isolated on Curry in the post 10 ft from the basket, and he decides to do a skip pass to a shooter who's not actually that open... It's a nice skip pass, but how about scoring on the smaller guy?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 20 2017 18:33 GMT
#776
He's not that good at scoring on little guys. He's basically dependent on getting a cheap whistle or hitting a crazy layup because he has no post moves.
Freeeeeeedom
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 20 2017 19:14 GMT
#777
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 20 2017 20:30 GMT
#778
Post moves can sometimes be more difficult against little guys. The Spurs used to put Malik Rose rather than Tim Duncan on Yao Ming.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 20 2017 20:56 GMT
#779
On July 21 2017 04:14 JimmiC wrote:
I believe the general thought is Lebron gets less whistles compared to other stars because of how big and strong he is. I think on the D end they often don't call him when maybe they should but there are a lot of hacks missed because of his strength.


Its a double edged sword with LBJ and the officials. Yes he does get hacked more for less whistles like Shaq, on the other hand, they don't foul him out in the 1st even though he commits about 5 offensive fouls a quarter .
Freeeeeeedom
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 20 2017 20:56 GMT
#780
Post moves are meant to get a player out of position. Smaller players are harder to get out of position, as long as they can hold their ground.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
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