EPTNBA 2016-17 Season - Page 57
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BlackJack
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ZenithM
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On March 14 2017 09:10 BlackJack wrote: I really have low regards for the NBA fans and analysts that obsess over Westbrook's triple-doubles. The triple-double is a meaningless stat. If Westbrook plays every game left in the season he needs 151 assists in those games to average a triple-double for the season. What if he gets 150 assists? What if he averages 9.9 assists for the season? His MVP stock plunges. No chance. Why? Has he played any worse? Is he any less "valuable"? Is there any meaningful difference to playing an 82 game season and finishing with 819 assists instead of 820? No. Basically all it shows is that people that care about the triple-double have an illogical mind. An infantile mind. "Whoa... pretty numbers." They look at a box score and they think a 25-10-10 stat line is somehow far superior to a 25-9-11 stat line. It's not. It's just clearly not. Sure, it's pretty neat. It's cool. It's fun to talk about around the water cooler. But again, it's meaningless. I'm pretty sure there are also rational fans who just acknowledge a 32/10/10 stat line for what it is. I hope we can have a middle ground between the "omg triple doublez erneh" and "Adams is leaving him some rebounds, so overrated...". | ||
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i think Westbrook is OKC's best over all offensive player and ball handler by a wide margin so they just want the ball in his hands as much as possible to maximize their offense. i don't think it helps or harms their fast break. and if the "fast break" involves 20+ feet of dribbling and 1 pass and it starts 85+ feet from the hoop ... is that really a fast break? | ||
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Jerubaal
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On March 14 2017 23:29 ZenithM wrote: I'm pretty sure there are also rational fans who just acknowledge a 32/10/10 stat line for what it is. I hope we can have a middle ground between the "omg triple doublez erneh" and "Adams is leaving him some rebounds, so overrated...". Erneh = Ernie? | ||
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andrewlt
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I know you love splitting hairs more than the rest of us combined. You can call it a fast break or not. This OKC team is not good at half court offense. Any chance they can to generate early offense should be taken, even if it doesn't fit whatever narrow definition of fast break you can come up with. | ||
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ZenithM
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On March 15 2017 00:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote: you are robbing peter to pay paul. the center can make a 20 foot pass to a playmaker. the best fast break has minimal dribbling and to be reliable has more than 1 pass when it starts 80+ feet from your opponents basket.[...] Is it just your opinion or do you have something to back that up? An extra pass to Westbrook means the center has to look for him, and he has to face the center with the ball and not the opposing basket. It's pretty clear that it's easier for the defense to set up that way, rather than face Westbrook in full rush forward mode from the first second. Nobody else is going to break down the transition defense anyway. OKC doesn't have ball handlers or passers besides him. Edit: Maybe you meant the fastbreak doesn't have to go through Westbrook? That's hard to argue for. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18906291/los-angeles-lakers-shut-timofey-mozgov-remainder-season Too bad this isn't hockey or baseball where they could stick an undrafted 19 year old starter or goalie out there. ... all while the GM stares straight into the camera and with a straight face says: "we're here to develop our youngsters and see how they can cope with the pressures of the big leagues" On March 15 2017 02:46 ZenithM wrote: Nobody else is going to break down the transition defense anyway. OKC doesn't have ball handlers or passers besides him. i agree and thus it is really hard to create a fastbreak opportunity off of a gifted Westbrook defensive board because WB already has at least 1 teammate near him who could've gobbled up the ball and he is faced with an opposition running back to defend while he is 85+ feet from the opposition hoop. Thus, in this limited scenario that comes up 1-4 times a game, I see little to no impact on OKC's fast break. According to that giatn reddit post//study Westbrook has been getting gifted defensive boards for a few years and its slowly grown from ~1 per game to ~4 per game. The conclusion was that he is a good rebounder for his position, but his rebounding stats are inflated. | ||
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BlackJack
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ZenithM
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He's not exactly stat padding, but his mindset, and that of his teammates, maybe the team strategy too, still revolves around him racking up as many stat points as he can. Maybe they said to themselves: "we won't be more effective anyway if a big takes the rebound on FTs, so it might as well be for Westbrook and his triple double". Again, still impressive, he's still getting 32 points and 10 assists (with one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the NBA, pretty different from Harden's team). | ||
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