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On March 07 2017 07:30 JimmiC wrote:
If you just left out the first paragraph you would be much more likable. No need to pat yourself on the back it is not a original thought. When I was growing up and Shaq was bricking so many FT they had to make a rule against fouling off the ball cause you could win by fouling him over and over since he was so bad. Even back then they wanted terrible people to try underhand shooting. Cool that a guy is putting his ego aside and actually trying it. Not your idea.
Jesus what an exaggeration
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When was the last time you shit your pants?
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make Derozan the fucking point guard... he is the best playmaker on the team not named Lowry.
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Spurs win with a 38 pt swing in 2.5 quarters, big win for the roleplayers with kawhi and lma sitting, even if it was only the kings.
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On March 09 2017 11:59 Jerubaal wrote:
When was the last time you shit your pants?
I had a close call last night. Sometimes its hard to tell how juicy its gonna be.
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James Harden broke the NBA record for turnovers in a season tonight. Still 17 games to go. The record he broke was his own that he set last year. =/
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I mean, you could look at it as a testament to his offensive abilities that even though he turns the ball over so much and is a mediocre defender, he's still an MVP candidate. What's his turnover rate?
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If there's any justice in the world Kawahi will win MVP. Harden's flash will win through though.
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Lebron has a better 3pt fg% this season than Steph Curry currently. That's not really what I was referring to when I said he had some elite skills to go with the perfect body, but I'll take it.
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On March 08 2017 12:51 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2017 00:03 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 07 2017 17:57 Djagulingu wrote:On March 07 2017 14:06 Scarecrow wrote:
MVP's between Harden, Lebron and Kawhi imo. Kawhi really coming on strong with his recent performances. I don't think that the NBA authorities are counting out Westbrook just yet. Nor should they. OKC's record in Russ's 30 triple doubles? 24-6. He's everything to that team on such a ridiculous level. Harden, Russ, LeBron, Kawhi. Any of those 4 are deserving. I'm not sure who is vote for. Good thing we still have 15ish games. The triple doubles really are overblown, most of the boards are uncontested and defensive, as well as a result of his terrible contest rate. ...
That's just not true. OKC is a top-5 rebounding team in the league and they have a higher league-rank in offensive rebounds(also top 5) than defensive rebounds.
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On March 09 2017 14:42 Jerubaal wrote:
I mean, you could look at it as a testament to his offensive abilities that even though he turns the ball over so much and is a mediocre defender, he's still an MVP candidate. What's his turnover rate?
Exactly, his TO rate isn't astronomically high although still tops in the league. He plays on one of the fastest-pace teams in the league and has a higher usage rating than any of the players on the other top-pace teams. He has the most offensive win-shares in the league in an offense that mainly just puts the ball in his hands, I'm inclined to cut him some slack.
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On March 09 2017 18:58 RowdierBob wrote:
If there's any justice in the world Kawahi will win MVP. Harden's flash will win through though.
It's not about flash for me, it's about most valuable to their team this season. Kawhi is the best two-way wing player in the NBA and the 2nd-most versatile defender in the NBA (behind D.Green who can switch onto 5's). But if you take him away from the Spurs, and you take away Harden from the Rockets, the Rockets fall off way more than the Spurs do.
This alone means Harden is more valuable to me.
I don't get the people who say "well what if you put LBJ in the Thunder, how do you think that team will look?"(Not saying you are) But liike who cares? He wasn't on the team, so let's just evaluate what seasons they actually did have, which is the point of the award.
Westbrook has the worst team of the 4 main candidates: what if he had the shooters to be able to create space for him like the Cavs do? Those kinds of questions change everything.
When Russ has been on the floor, the Thunder have a scoring margin of a 52-win team, and when he is off, the Thunder have had one of a 12-win team. This is the biggest margin of any player. Could Lebron do better than this if he was on the Thunder? Probably, but he hasn't had to. Should we punish Russ because of his GM's relative-incompetence to surround him with better players this season? Is this is a player award or a GM award?
For me, if we were awarding the "Most Best Player" then it's between LBJ and Kawhi. For most valuable player of the season though, I tilt towards Westbrook (if he ends up averaging a triple-double on a +.500 playoff team) or Harden.
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I was watching that Haberstroh video saying that Isaiah Thomas was ranked 455th in defense. As much as defense is underrated, would trading his "offensive power" for "defensive power" (practically by switching him with another player) make him an overall better player? Defense feels like more of a spectrum (e.g. apply as much pressure as possible and hope for the best) whereas offense seems much more binomial (you either make the shot or don't).
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On March 10 2017 02:08 MassHysteria wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2017 12:51 Scarecrow wrote:On March 08 2017 00:03 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 07 2017 17:57 Djagulingu wrote:On March 07 2017 14:06 Scarecrow wrote:
MVP's between Harden, Lebron and Kawhi imo. Kawhi really coming on strong with his recent performances. I don't think that the NBA authorities are counting out Westbrook just yet. Nor should they. OKC's record in Russ's 30 triple doubles? 24-6. He's everything to that team on such a ridiculous level. Harden, Russ, LeBron, Kawhi. Any of those 4 are deserving. I'm not sure who is vote for. Good thing we still have 15ish games. The triple doubles really are overblown, most of the boards are uncontested and defensive, as well as a result of his terrible contest rate. ... That's just not true. OKC is a top-5 rebounding team in the league and they have a higher league-rank in offensive rebounds(also top 5) than defensive rebounds. + Show Spoiler +
You're not making any sense and that graphic is irrelevant... I'm talking about westbrook leading the league in uncontested defensive rebounds with 7.7 a game and you refute that by saying OKC is good at rebounding... The team clearly has a strategy where westbrook doesn't contest shots and instead gets fed boards so he can kick-start their attack. It pads his rebounding and lessens the impressiveness of his triple double average. Regardless with his team's seed there's no way he's winning MVP this year.
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On March 10 2017 02:17 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 02:08 MassHysteria wrote:On March 08 2017 12:51 Scarecrow wrote:On March 08 2017 00:03 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 07 2017 17:57 Djagulingu wrote:On March 07 2017 14:06 Scarecrow wrote:
MVP's between Harden, Lebron and Kawhi imo. Kawhi really coming on strong with his recent performances. I don't think that the NBA authorities are counting out Westbrook just yet. Nor should they. OKC's record in Russ's 30 triple doubles? 24-6. He's everything to that team on such a ridiculous level. Harden, Russ, LeBron, Kawhi. Any of those 4 are deserving. I'm not sure who is vote for. Good thing we still have 15ish games. The triple doubles really are overblown, most of the boards are uncontested and defensive, as well as a result of his terrible contest rate. ... That's just not true. OKC is a top-5 rebounding team in the league and they have a higher league-rank in offensive rebounds(also top 5) than defensive rebounds. + Show Spoiler + You're not making any sense and that graphic is irrelevant... I'm talking about westbrook leading the league in uncontested defensive rebounds with 7.7 a game and you refute that by saying OKC is good at rebounding... The team clearly has a strategy where westbrook doesn't contest shots and instead gets fed boards so he can kick-start their attack. It pads his rebounding and lessens the impressiveness of his triple double average. Regardless with his team's seed there's no way he's winning MVP this year.
I am well aware of how the media votes for MVP's and the odds of that happening. I am not debating about whether he will win it, I am giving a perspective on why he should win it (though the more losses, the harder it gets to make). Plus, we all know how the media always get things right.
If that didn't make sense to you it means that they are the 5th best offensive rebounding team in the league and 10th in defensive rebounding. They also hold opponent's rebound percentage to the 2nd-best rate in the league.
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I am saying OKC is one of the best rebounding teams in the league in large part because of Westbrook but I guess that doesn't count in winning games? " He gets force fed boards"? Oh please, why haven't other point-guards, teams, and coaches ever thought of this strategy before? Imagine all the triple-doubles over a season that could have been but weren't...
My point is a successful team-wide rebounding strategy like they have in OKC is only possible when you have the pieces to put it in place to start with.
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Westbrook is first at his position and second among guards for offensive rebounds, is OKC also leaving him some offensive rebounds to pad his stats?
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i hope Miami goes the the NBA Finals this year... and i hope they do it winning three 7 game series.
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Harden's turnovers aren't that big a problem since he has the ball in his hands so much and his teammates only get the ball to immediately shoot it. Team strategies that inflate one player's assists also inflates turnovers. If you look at teams like the Spurs, Warriors and Hawks, the assists get distributed among more players but so do the turnovers.
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On March 10 2017 04:21 ZenithM wrote:
Westbrook is first at his position and second among guards for offensive rebounds, is OKC also leaving him some offensive rebounds to pad his stats?
Are you dense? Nowhere have I said he's a bad rebounder. He's an amazing rebounder for a guard, even if you take 3-4 boards off his average. His offensive boards are obviously legit. I've said his numbers are inflated because 7.7 of his boards are uncontested and defensive (ahead of all centers ffs). Talented rebounders Kanter and Adams aren't even in the top 80 of this category that Westbrook is leading... This is a direct result of his bigs boxing out for him and Westbrook's awful contest rate. It's about kick-starting their offence, and they're substantially more efficient when Westbrook gets the defensive board. They're not trying to pad his stats, it's just a result of their system. My point remains that his rebounds are rather inflated and thus I don't consider the triple double average as impressive as many others do.
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Important game for Lakers tonight. Losing to the Suns will be giant steps for the franchise. LA also play the Sixers soon so two giant steps can be taken here. [/s]
The team looks kind of tired of losing though, and Luke just called them sawft publicly. Fans just hoping the sawftness lasts for one more game.
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On March 10 2017 11:28 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 04:21 ZenithM wrote:
Westbrook is first at his position and second among guards for offensive rebounds, is OKC also leaving him some offensive rebounds to pad his stats? Are you dense? Nowhere have I said he's a bad rebounder. He's an amazing rebounder for a guard, even if you take 3-4 boards off his average. His offensive boards are obviously legit. I've said his numbers are inflated because 7.7 of his boards are uncontested and defensive (ahead of all centers ffs). Talented rebounders Kanter and Adams aren't even in the top 80 of this category that Westbrook is leading... This is a direct result of his bigs boxing out for him and Westbrook's awful contest rate. It's about kick-starting their offence, and they're substantially more efficient when Westbrook gets the defensive board. They're not trying to pad his stats, it's just a result of their system. My point remains that his rebounds are rather inflated and thus I don't consider the triple double average as impressive as many others do.
It doesn't matter if that's a product of OKC's strategy. If he's so central to OKC's fastbreak play that they decide to leave to him the defensive rebounds, that should tell you about his value to the team. Having that many defensive rebounds doesn't have to mean that he's legitimately jumping over Adams to get them (a vast majority of defensive rebounds are uncontested anyway, and also, guards are way more likely to take uncontested rebounds than bigs who battle with other bigs...) A triple double is often just about a player being everywhere on the floor, doing everything himself, and it applies for Westbrook about every night. Especially if you also consider his impressive offensive rebounding.
It's obvious to everyone that Westbrook is going for the triple double hard, and it's also obvious that he's not the leading MVP candidate so I don't know why you feel the need to shit on his stats.
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