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On March 10 2017 20:01 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 11:28 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2017 04:21 ZenithM wrote:
Westbrook is first at his position and second among guards for offensive rebounds, is OKC also leaving him some offensive rebounds to pad his stats? Are you dense? Nowhere have I said he's a bad rebounder. He's an amazing rebounder for a guard, even if you take 3-4 boards off his average. His offensive boards are obviously legit. I've said his numbers are inflated because 7.7 of his boards are uncontested and defensive (ahead of all centers ffs). Talented rebounders Kanter and Adams aren't even in the top 80 of this category that Westbrook is leading... This is a direct result of his bigs boxing out for him and Westbrook's awful contest rate. It's about kick-starting their offence, and they're substantially more efficient when Westbrook gets the defensive board. They're not trying to pad his stats, it's just a result of their system. My point remains that his rebounds are rather inflated and thus I don't consider the triple double average as impressive as many others do. ... they decide to leave to him the defensive rebounds, that should tell you about his value to the team.
I never argued his value to the team... so again, you bring up an irrelevant point.
On March 10 2017 20:01 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 11:28 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2017 04:21 ZenithM wrote:
Westbrook is first at his position and second among guards for offensive rebounds, is OKC also leaving him some offensive rebounds to pad his stats? Are you dense? Nowhere have I said he's a bad rebounder. He's an amazing rebounder for a guard, even if you take 3-4 boards off his average. His offensive boards are obviously legit. I've said his numbers are inflated because 7.7 of his boards are uncontested and defensive (ahead of all centers ffs). Talented rebounders Kanter and Adams aren't even in the top 80 of this category that Westbrook is leading... This is a direct result of his bigs boxing out for him and Westbrook's awful contest rate. It's about kick-starting their offence, and they're substantially more efficient when Westbrook gets the defensive board. They're not trying to pad his stats, it's just a result of their system. My point remains that his rebounds are rather inflated and thus I don't consider the triple double average as impressive as many others do. guards are way more likely to take uncontested rebounds than bigs
Just not true. The next 12 players behind Westbrook are all bigs. It's almost like the easy boards that would normally go to a team's bigs are going to WB...
On March 10 2017 20:01 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 11:28 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2017 04:21 ZenithM wrote:
Westbrook is first at his position and second among guards for offensive rebounds, is OKC also leaving him some offensive rebounds to pad his stats? Are you dense? Nowhere have I said he's a bad rebounder. He's an amazing rebounder for a guard, even if you take 3-4 boards off his average. His offensive boards are obviously legit. I've said his numbers are inflated because 7.7 of his boards are uncontested and defensive (ahead of all centers ffs). Talented rebounders Kanter and Adams aren't even in the top 80 of this category that Westbrook is leading... This is a direct result of his bigs boxing out for him and Westbrook's awful contest rate. It's about kick-starting their offence, and they're substantially more efficient when Westbrook gets the defensive board. They're not trying to pad his stats, it's just a result of their system. My point remains that his rebounds are rather inflated and thus I don't consider the triple double average as impressive as many others do. Especially if you also consider his impressive offensive rebounding.
1.8 a game... sure it's great for a guard, but it's how he gets from 1.8 to 10 a game, and that's mostly with uncontested, unimpressive freebies due to him sagging off shooters and his teammates sticking to the game plan.
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On March 10 2017 23:19 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 20:01 ZenithM wrote:On March 10 2017 11:28 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2017 04:21 ZenithM wrote:
Westbrook is first at his position and second among guards for offensive rebounds, is OKC also leaving him some offensive rebounds to pad his stats? Are you dense? Nowhere have I said he's a bad rebounder. He's an amazing rebounder for a guard, even if you take 3-4 boards off his average. His offensive boards are obviously legit. I've said his numbers are inflated because 7.7 of his boards are uncontested and defensive (ahead of all centers ffs). Talented rebounders Kanter and Adams aren't even in the top 80 of this category that Westbrook is leading... This is a direct result of his bigs boxing out for him and Westbrook's awful contest rate. It's about kick-starting their offence, and they're substantially more efficient when Westbrook gets the defensive board. They're not trying to pad his stats, it's just a result of their system. My point remains that his rebounds are rather inflated and thus I don't consider the triple double average as impressive as many others do. ... they decide to leave to him the defensive rebounds, that should tell you about his value to the team. I never argued his value to the team... so again, you bring up an irrelevant point.
You say his triple double is overrated, completely ignoring what it means. I answer that the triple double is a testament to his value on the court, which is not overrated (http://imgur.com/a/OKFoL). If OKC has determined that they're better off with Westbrook grabbing easy rebounds and pushing the fastbreak, why would that make that triple double fake somehow?
Every stat line is a product of how the team plays. I don't see you downplaying Harden's assists because he's playing with so many 3pt shooters.
But sure, fellow keyboard athlete, averaging 32/10/10 isn't that impressive... You can try to find every asterisk you can, the fact is, nobody does that. There will always be a catch if a player averages something like this. He's somewhat inefficient, has extremely high usage rate, gets easy rebounds. So what?
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On March 11 2017 13:03 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 23:19 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2017 20:01 ZenithM wrote:On March 10 2017 11:28 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2017 04:21 ZenithM wrote:
Westbrook is first at his position and second among guards for offensive rebounds, is OKC also leaving him some offensive rebounds to pad his stats? Are you dense? Nowhere have I said he's a bad rebounder. He's an amazing rebounder for a guard, even if you take 3-4 boards off his average. His offensive boards are obviously legit. I've said his numbers are inflated because 7.7 of his boards are uncontested and defensive (ahead of all centers ffs). Talented rebounders Kanter and Adams aren't even in the top 80 of this category that Westbrook is leading... This is a direct result of his bigs boxing out for him and Westbrook's awful contest rate. It's about kick-starting their offence, and they're substantially more efficient when Westbrook gets the defensive board. They're not trying to pad his stats, it's just a result of their system. My point remains that his rebounds are rather inflated and thus I don't consider the triple double average as impressive as many others do. ... they decide to leave to him the defensive rebounds, that should tell you about his value to the team. I never argued his value to the team... so again, you bring up an irrelevant point. You say his triple double is overrated, completely ignoring what it means.
A triple double average means he's averaging certain numbers. In particular, 10+ boards. A PG averaging 10 rebounds is insane. So after looking deeper into the numbers, it made the triple double seem less impressive. It's not that hard to understand. I say it's overrated, you answer with semantic bullshit about how much he means to his team, which was never something I argued against. He's a beast and he is carrying his team, but I'm not talking about that -.-
On March 11 2017 13:03 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 23:19 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2017 20:01 ZenithM wrote:On March 10 2017 11:28 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2017 04:21 ZenithM wrote:
Westbrook is first at his position and second among guards for offensive rebounds, is OKC also leaving him some offensive rebounds to pad his stats? Are you dense? Nowhere have I said he's a bad rebounder. He's an amazing rebounder for a guard, even if you take 3-4 boards off his average. His offensive boards are obviously legit. I've said his numbers are inflated because 7.7 of his boards are uncontested and defensive (ahead of all centers ffs). Talented rebounders Kanter and Adams aren't even in the top 80 of this category that Westbrook is leading... This is a direct result of his bigs boxing out for him and Westbrook's awful contest rate. It's about kick-starting their offence, and they're substantially more efficient when Westbrook gets the defensive board. They're not trying to pad his stats, it's just a result of their system. My point remains that his rebounds are rather inflated and thus I don't consider the triple double average as impressive as many others do. ... they decide to leave to him the defensive rebounds, that should tell you about his value to the team. I never argued his value to the team... so again, you bring up an irrelevant point. why would that make that triple double fake somehow?
Seriously, this is the third time you've mis-characterized what I'm saying. I never said it's fake. He averages a triple double... do you know what fake means?
On March 11 2017 13:03 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 23:19 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2017 20:01 ZenithM wrote:On March 10 2017 11:28 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2017 04:21 ZenithM wrote:
Westbrook is first at his position and second among guards for offensive rebounds, is OKC also leaving him some offensive rebounds to pad his stats? Are you dense? Nowhere have I said he's a bad rebounder. He's an amazing rebounder for a guard, even if you take 3-4 boards off his average. His offensive boards are obviously legit. I've said his numbers are inflated because 7.7 of his boards are uncontested and defensive (ahead of all centers ffs). Talented rebounders Kanter and Adams aren't even in the top 80 of this category that Westbrook is leading... This is a direct result of his bigs boxing out for him and Westbrook's awful contest rate. It's about kick-starting their offence, and they're substantially more efficient when Westbrook gets the defensive board. They're not trying to pad his stats, it's just a result of their system. My point remains that his rebounds are rather inflated and thus I don't consider the triple double average as impressive as many others do. ... they decide to leave to him the defensive rebounds, that should tell you about his value to the team. I never argued his value to the team... so again, you bring up an irrelevant point. Every stat line is a product of how the team plays. I don't see you downplaying Harden's assists because he's playing with so many 3pt shooters.
Harden's assists take skill and court vision. Most of Westbrooks rebounds are freebies because he doesn't defend his man properly and the team knows to funnel boards to him. The hardest part of a triple double for a big is generally the assists, and for a PG it's boards. The fact that he gets fed easy boards diminishes how amazing his run has been in my eyes.
On March 11 2017 13:03 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 23:19 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2017 20:01 ZenithM wrote:On March 10 2017 11:28 Scarecrow wrote:On March 10 2017 04:21 ZenithM wrote:
Westbrook is first at his position and second among guards for offensive rebounds, is OKC also leaving him some offensive rebounds to pad his stats? Are you dense? Nowhere have I said he's a bad rebounder. He's an amazing rebounder for a guard, even if you take 3-4 boards off his average. His offensive boards are obviously legit. I've said his numbers are inflated because 7.7 of his boards are uncontested and defensive (ahead of all centers ffs). Talented rebounders Kanter and Adams aren't even in the top 80 of this category that Westbrook is leading... This is a direct result of his bigs boxing out for him and Westbrook's awful contest rate. It's about kick-starting their offence, and they're substantially more efficient when Westbrook gets the defensive board. They're not trying to pad his stats, it's just a result of their system. My point remains that his rebounds are rather inflated and thus I don't consider the triple double average as impressive as many others do. ... they decide to leave to him the defensive rebounds, that should tell you about his value to the team. I never argued his value to the team... so again, you bring up an irrelevant point. But sure, fellow keyboard athlete, averaging 32/10/10 isn't that impressive...
4th time you've mis-characterized my point. 'Not that impressive' makes it sound like I think 32/10/10 isn't special. On paper it does look incredibly impressive, 32 pts and 10 assists honestly are, most of the boards aren't if you watch games/look at the numbers. Overall i said it's less impressive than it appears with no context. Anyway I'm tired of repeating myself and having you change things up to pretend that Westbrook's scintillating 7.7 basketball catches a game are somehow worthy of awe.
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The main problems was you came in here with a one-sentence take instead of trying to actually explain what you meant. And then you put an MVP implication sentence right after that one, which makes it seem like you are tying the two together.
If you had actually posted like the actual poster on reddit did where I am pretty sure you got this from ( https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5qat1j/statistically_analysis_russell_westbrooks/ ) then you would have had less backlash. He didn't mention anything about MVP. We don't need u to act smart here then act outlandish that someone wants to know more, just show us what you know and what you mean.
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On March 12 2017 02:57 Jerubaal wrote:
Advantage Spurs?
Point and laugh at the Iggy-less Dubs bench.
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There is only about 9 games or so left I think, either way LA has time to recuperate. Just too bad he still he hasn't gotten a consistent rhythm. Kawhi getting a concussion was unexpected, I think Dipo elbowed him in the head during that loss to OKC.
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@Scarecrow, when I said "fake" it obviously meant "overrated", who's playing on semantics now?
Overall i said it's less impressive than it appears with no context.
Again, dude, there is no context anyway. Nobody does that. It's historic numbers. There is no point of comparison. So what is it "less impressive than" exactly?
You just sound like you read some fluff piece on the Internet and want to shit on Westbrook numbers because he doesn't "play the right way" or some advanced analytics shit. Worst thing is, you'd probably have a better case if you weren't just focusing on the 2-3 extra rebounds he's getting because of OKC's system. Pretty weak point.
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I think GSW is still winning the sit as many players as possible game within a game. Warriors missing 5 players while Spurs are only missing 4. If both sides sit too many players and the coach has to play, Kerr should have an advantage over Popovich. GSW is kinda missing a 3-pt shooter off the bench this year anyway.
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Pretty sure if you put Lebron on a team where he has to solo carry a team, he would also put up a triple double almost every night. I don't know if a triple double is as impressive as it used to be.
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Expected slaughter of the Dubs.
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Miami looks good. i hope Tyler Johnson's left elbow is ok.
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Boogie benched, Pels win. Hmmm.
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Pelicans' losses since getting Boogie: Rockets, Mavs (so hot right now. Mavs), OKC, Spurs (in OT), Jazz, Raptors
Pelicans' wins since getting Boogie: Pistons, Lakers, Hornets
None of which are very surprising. It's still too early to infer anything significant from Boogie's time as a Pelican. May possibly take until next season to fully integrate him into the team.
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On March 12 2017 11:01 bdonballer wrote:
Pretty sure if you put Lebron on a team where he has to solo carry a team, he would also put up a triple double almost every night. I don't know if a triple double is as impressive as it used to be.
You guys are really hard to impress.
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On March 14 2017 03:28 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2017 11:01 bdonballer wrote:
Pretty sure if you put Lebron on a team where he has to solo carry a team, he would also put up a triple double almost every night. I don't know if a triple double is as impressive as it used to be. You guys are really hard to impress.
i'm not impressed by Russell Westbrook's performance.
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I think the Triple-Double is great, and fun. I just think his TO rate and FG% are significant albatrosses. TOs are bad for Harden as well. Its not just having so much responsibilityy, they also have "Steph syndrome" where they just throw lazy passes all the time.
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