EPT2016-2017 NHL Season: Expansion Draft Dodging - Page 32
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Orcasgt24
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JimmiC
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Orcasgt24
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On May 11 2017 11:47 JimmiC wrote: Lucky lucky lucky oilers. That's what makes that rules so dumb. Can take away goals can never add many. The puck came out. Only by like a 10th of a millimeter, possibly less but there is white ice between the puck and blue line visible from the blue line cam they use to determine offside video reviews. Real question is would MacLellan challenge that given how poorly our challenges have gone. Well gg. Ducks get four goals and win the game 2-1 because NHL is weird. Very proud of my massively overachieving team!!! | ||
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RenSC2
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On May 11 2017 10:52 Orcasgt24 wrote: Feel like I'm watching the funeral of the Washington Capitals. And with Alexander Ovechkin on the third line averaging around 13 min a game I feel like the capitals are incapable of hiring somebody that knows how to utilize the best pure goal scorer in modern NHL history and possibly wasted the prime of his career. The problem is that Ovechkin is more of a Kessel than a Crosby. Great goal scorer with a wicked shot and occasionally makes a play to a teammate in the offensive zone. Ovechkin adds the element of the occasional big hit that Kessel does not. However, he's still terrible defensively and in a lot of simple situations. Let me show you. + Show Spoiler + Start around 1:14. Here, Ovechkin misses the breakout pass on the left wing with an uninterested one arm stab at the puck. If you pause at 1:18, you'll see him stand straight up while all 7 other visible players have their knees bent, actively participating in the play. He's not. He should be hustling to get back into a passing lane across the slot or picking up a specific man. At the end of the play, the puck comes back across and he's a step slow getting there, so PIT scores the first goal of the game. If he would have played actively in a ready position without the puck, he could have probably tipped the first pass out of the zone and he definitely could have gotten back to break up the game winning goal. You can watch the replay from the other angle to see him react slowly in both opportunities. He also slowed down on his way to defend and actually had a 3rd opportunity to make a play defensively just by going hard after the initial poor reaction. He's completely different when he knows he's got a chance to score. Watch from 1:45-1:54, he crashes the net well. When the puck bounces away and there's no goal scoring chance, he gives up again. Then when his teammate gets control with a chance to make a pass, you see him get to open ice, sink into a deep knee bend, and then take a beautiful one-timer that Fleury got lucky on. So it's not like he's incapable. He just only cares about one thing. You can also fast forward to 2:42 and watch Ovechkin give no effort and fail to get a puck out of the zone that definitely should have gotten out. He also makes no effort to get back into the play after failing to get it out, although in this case he would not have helped. It might have helped if the save was made and the rebound came back towards him as opposed to letting #13 get a rebound. He's a great highlight reel players, but it's the kind of crap I've just highlighted that keeps him from going far in the playoffs. He needs to play against 3rd pairing defenses and 3rd/4th line offenses on the other team to have success and you'll rarely find that on the 1st line. Or his teammates on the ice need to be so good defensively and so good on the breakout that he doesn't need to help with either. PIT has been able to do it with Kessel and turned him into a Stanley Cup champion, but that's not an easy task. Kessel is still only +3 on a great team while Ovechkin is +6 on another great team for the regular season. For that extra +3 and 1 less point, Ovechkin costs 9.5 mil as opposed to Kessel's 6.8 mil hit to the cap. Crosby (8.7 mil cap hit) and Backstrom (6.7 mil cap hit) are both +17 by comparison with Oshie (4.2 mil cap hit) at +28. It's hard to win when Ovechkin is your main guy. All stats from http://www.hockey-reference.com/ | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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Necro)Phagist(
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Fuck Ottawa, Don't want to see Pittsburgh win again, Anaheim is meh. Guess I'll just root for Subban in Nashville... | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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On May 11 2017 20:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Yea and like that I no longer care about the playoffs. My hopes list was Montreal>Calgary>Edmonton>Toronto>Washington Fuck Ottawa, Don't want to see Pittsburgh win again, Anaheim is meh. Guess I'll just root for Subban in Nashville... Yeah, i guess Nashville winning the Cup would be the most exciting thing possible now, so i will probably keep an eye on them. But yeah, playoff hype is all gone. Bleh. | ||
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JimmiC
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Flaccid
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Congrats to the Ducks - hate, hate, hate them, but they played a great game and didn't leave the Oilers any clean air. Now it's time to bandwagon Nashville =) “This will take some time to get over,” Connor McDavid said. “Come next season, we’ll find ourselves in a similar spot, and we’ll be able to look back on this and feel this disappointment and know what it’s like.” “I’m just going to talk about our team,” McDavid said when asked about his performance. “We gave it everything we had and came up a little bit short.” “You look at any team that has won and been good for all these years, they start with disappointment,” McDavid said. “We’ve done that and we took a huge step forward.” “If we told you we would have taken the Ducks 7 in the second series in September, I don’t think anyone would have believed us for a second,” McDavid said. “We believe in this group. We’ll be back.” Oh captain my captain! <3 | ||
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Orcasgt24
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I think Nashville is gonna walk over Anaheim in 5. The defense of the Preds is by far the best left in the playoffs and the best goalie right now is Renne. Anaheims "playoff style hockey" + Show Spoiler + aka they take alot of penalties in the regular season yet somehow are by the book in the playoffs despite changing nothing I want the Senators to win. I really do. I don't think they can though. Good luck Smashville | ||
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Arevall
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I hope Nashville smokes them. Sens vs Pens are a bit whatever who wins - I hope for an enjoyable series and that Karlsson's and Crosby's health doesn't get worse during that series. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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This year they are not even close to that same form while i dont think Ott can stop them. So i do hope Smashville gets it. Damn Capitals. | ||
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Orcasgt24
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On May 12 2017 00:51 JimmiC wrote: Come on NAshville Ott final. Watch bettman go into a deep depression as t.v. numbers hit an all time low! Nashville is the target for the finals by the NHL. They have tonne of country music super stars at games and the most recognizable names in music singing the anthem each night. The nightmare was Edmonton/Ottawa. | ||
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Orcasgt24
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I think alot of people are over reacting. Since his rookie year he has posted 25+ goals in every season (lockout season was 16 with 28 in AHL during it) except this one. He got 20. In his first playoff appearance he didn't do so hot. Most players don't and the deck was stacked against him play playing 7 games vs Getzlaf, a player that if ANA goes all the way is a shoe in for the Conn Smyth. This guy should not be given up on so quickly. | ||
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JimmiC
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Kevin_Sorbo
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I am so jelly of the edmontonians atm. | ||
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Flaccid
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On May 14 2017 06:04 Orcasgt24 wrote: Wow....Eberle is taking a shit kicking from the fans and media. I'm not gonna defend his lack of production in the postseason but one bad playoffs does not suddenly make you a terrible player who needs to be traded asap. Yeah, Eberle had a pretty off year I'm going to throw a couple charts up here and go from there: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cFqRIsf.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZR0eO91.png) Now point your eyes at the Sh% columns. Holy sweet jeebus fuck. There is snake-bitten, and then there is Jordan Eberle circa 2016-2017. Here is the full page and it is worth looking at: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1342 Anyone who argues the uselessness of Jordan Eberle without including the context of his Sh% is missing a big piece of the story. You can certainly back up the 'off year' narrative using these regular season numbers - numbers that saw his powerplay Sh%, for example, go from 17.5% a season ago to fucking 8.8% this year. Hell. And this fit what the eye saw this season as well - at times it seemed like Eberle was never going to score, ever again in his life given the unreal saves that went against him and the complete lack of anything even resembling the smallest amount of luck in his favour. He was consistently creating chances and getting good looks - but just nothing was going his way. Buuuuuuuuut.... Now we have to address the issue of Jordan Eberle, the playoff performer. Even without scoring, we saw his ability to generate offense in the regular season. The points weren't coming but you kind of knew they would. Eventually. He was still doing those Jordan Eberle things. You can't make that argument in regards to how he played in the playoffs. He was completely invisible. Eberle is, and always has been a very one-dimensional player. It's allowed because his one dimension, producing offense, is the most important dimension in hockey. The downside though, is that when Eberle isn't producing, he brings nothing else. In fact, it's a net negative. It's not like RNH - who can go weeks without scoring but still bring value to every shift. RNH was, in my opinion, the MVP of the San Jose series. Eberle doesn't have that in his game, so he needs to score. And he will score. But maybe not in the playoffs. Ever. Perhaps it's a symptom of the tighter checking in the playoffs or, specifically, the nature of the teams that Edmonton encountered in the first two rounds, but Eberle was rendered completely ineffective. He has never been a fast player, or a strong player, but the nature of the playoffs truly exposed these weaknesses. He lacked either the strength or the speed (or both) to create any separation for himself at any point in any game ever. There was just no clean air and it was horribly obvious that he could do nothing about it. And that's what sucks. There is no doubt his Sh% will recover and he will score again. But he remains, right now, a player who has not shown that he can score in the playoffs. And he, as a one-dimensional player, needs to score. And Edmonton, as a team that wants to challenge for Stanley Cups in the McDavid era, needs players who can provide value in difficult playoff situations. Unfortunately, it is completely justified if they are doubting Eberle's ability to be one of those guys. FWIW, I love Eberle and I hope they keep him and find a situation that works for him and the team. But the Oilers always sell low so I'm sure they'll trade him for a 5th round pick and retain salary so wtf do I know fuck it. edit: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/EyINUlK.jpg) | ||
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Orcasgt24
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On May 17 2017 03:02 Flaccid wrote: And he will score. But maybe not in the playoffs. Ever. Perhaps it's a symptom of the tighter checking in the playoffs or, specifically, the nature of the teams that Edmonton encountered in the first two rounds, but Eberle was rendered completely ineffective. He has never been a fast player, or a strong player, but the nature of the playoffs truly exposed these weaknesses. He lacked either the strength or the speed (or both) to create any separation for himself at any point in any game ever. There was just no clean air and it was horribly obvious that he could do nothing about it. He has 13 games of playoff experience. I'm not willing to write him off on that just yet. The lack of rule enforcement during the playoffs is definitely a hindrance to a guy who draws an average of 1 penalty per game and gains almost no benefit from the 0.4 penalties per game he takes during the regular season though. He's know things in his game need to change. You could get that much out of him in his pre and post game interviews and again from his exit interview. I believe next year a different Jordan Eberle shows up to camp and plays for us. Edit, on his shooting percentages. Those don't indicate the 7 times he hit the post and one time he hit the crossbar ( multi way tie for ninth league wide in posts and a few hundred way tie for 42nd in crossbars). He did 4 of those during that long goalless drought | ||
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Orcasgt24
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Thats terrible by Pittsburgh. | ||
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