With Las Vegas announced as an expansion franchise and the expansion draft occurring June 21st, 2017, teams are going to into full draft dodge mode. Money is being burned on players not worthy of it, contract length is insane and trades make no sense. All in an effort to use the protected status on the good players and leave these god awful shit contracts exposed to drafting. The Expansion Draft Rules
Connor McDavid is NOT draft eligible!!! Sorry Vegas fans (do they have any other than Daniel Negreanu?)
So, who do you think will be a Las Vegas _______ by the start of 2018?
LOL for a moment i was like "oh shit, OP is not Hawk" but then i've noticed the poll and NHL thread is back, baby! There is no way Pens can repeat their stunt, the whole league will be on their tail now.
A source told Sportsnet that Matt Pfeffer, who was hired as an analytics consultant at the beginning of the 2015-16 season, made an impassioned and elaborate presentation to management to dissuade them from following through on this trade.
Ignoring Pfeffer’s advice only served to reinforce the notion that Bergevin was following different criteria in his evaluation of both players, said the source, who also suggested Pfeffer’s vehemence on the matter might have ultimately cost him the job (he was told on Wednesday that his contract won’t be renewed). The Canadiens would not comment on why they aren’t renewing his contract, but they did say that they are looking into other analytics solutions.
Everyone besides Backes gets to ride shotty with a stud center. In all likelyhood they signed Backes to center the third or occasionally play on the 2nd I guess? It seems pretty dumb.
On August 12 2016 10:19 QuanticHawk wrote: so Roy quit in a hissy fit today because he wasn't given additonal power over personnel decisions despite being a pretty bad coach
The Avs have a fair amount of talent. They should be better than they have been.
I don't know if the Rangers can win Hank a cup, but they are certainly getting better and not worse lately. The metro is shaping up for a few years of murder house hockey. I'm pretty sure that there will be 5 teams from there to make playoffs.
idk about getting better. That D was a shitshow last year, and they lost Yandle, their only genuine offensive threat. McDonaugh is awesome, but he can't do what Yandle does on offense. A
As it stands right now, Staal and Girardi are a shit 3rd pairing on most teams. And they have McLrath and Skeij, who may be ok eventually, but are pretty green right now. Hank faced way too many high percentage shots last year. Though part was due to the styem. There was recently a story on THN that showed the Rangers were miles ahead as far as overall contribution from their D - they are a pure counter team now.
Fuck NHL break. Takes too long, i need some hockey. I'm actually so desperate i think i might end up watching WCH and root for team Europe as the wackiest thing ever.
You can have hockey even earlier. This weekend, qualifier for Olympia 2018. Games are playing in Riga, Latvia, featuring the teams of Germany, Austria, Japan and Latvia.
At least Germany is bringing almost their full strength lineup, including 7 NHL players. + Show Spoiler +
Tom Kühnhackl (Pittsburgh Penguins), Philipp Grubauer (Washington Capitals), Korbinian Holzer (Anaheim Ducks), Christian Ehrhoff (Chicago Black Hawks), Dennis Seidenberg (Boston Bruins), Tobias Rieder (Arizona Coyotes), Leon Draisaitl (Edmonton Oilers)
So compared to this stupid WCH shit here there is really something at stake, and the teams are much less plastic. Oh, and wide ice :D
the RUS vs NA youngsters game was fucking amazing. the last 2 min, Eichel got smoked by Emelin, then a bad tripping penalty, then NA youngsters hit two posts to almost tie it. The whole game was good.
now for the US to curbstomp some shitty canadian fucks tomorrow
With all the prejudice, the idea of going with team NA and EU actually turned out to be a fucking genius move. Both teams play some fun games, literally having a time of their life on the ice, while other teams trying to figure out why they play lol
Amazing tournament from youngsters. Also, i find it symbolic that all 4 goals for team RUS were scored with younger players of the team Like Malkin, Ovi, Datsyuk are irrelevant already.
On September 21 2016 09:27 JimmiC wrote: That was nice of us to let you feel like you had a chance for 2 minutes.
man, it hurts watching canada's '4th line' and realizing every single one of them is better than Abdelkater. I hope Phil the Thrilll is chowing down on 6 hotdogs somewhere.
On August 30 2016 21:16 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: I'm actually so desperate i think i might end up watching WCH and root for team Europe as the wackiest thing ever.
On September 29 2016 03:01 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: oh hey btw NICE TEAM USA HAWK BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
ENJOY TAYLOR HALL CRUSHING YOUR STUPID RANGERS
wow steve that was so random and so mean. cant believe you did that!
i wonder how stupid WCH organizers feel. There is no way team leftovers can legitimately be in the finals, if not for players being completely out of shape and basically care fuck all about this tournament. Now Canada is playing bo3 against noobs but this is a final of a great tournament, so there should be a lot of hype, story, challenge, media coverage etc... lol, so pathetic.
Dudes, less than 2 weeks until proper hockey starts!
On October 09 2016 01:08 JimmiC wrote: A prospect that plays in the echl and has 1 game in the ahl. Slow clap on oilers managing asset. Was a pointless pick at the time, needed to trade down and pick a dman. Then. Kept not getting "enough" now got basically nothing for a former 1st overall. Yikes.
Well they'll get a 2nd if Yak scores 15g IIRC.
Still I hope to see him have a good season with the blues and turning into a second line bargain. Edm being Edm in this deal.
me too, always liked the dude. Frankly, I wished the Rangers tossed the next to nothing it cost to get him, but the Rangers probably don't have any prospects anymore.
I still think Yak turns into a 20g guy on a team like that. He won't draw the top unit, and he will probably get placed with skilled but more defensively responsible linemates on the 2nd or 3rd and get some 2nd unit PP time.
That said, all he has ever done is light up third-line opposition at home, where his team gets last change and fail to score on the road where they don't. He shoots something like >20% at home and like <5% on the road. This is the definition of a specialized/complimentary player.
That's why people needed to look at more than the goals before declaring "PAY THE MANNNN". He's like a smaller Jordan Eberle, except that he doesn't draw the tough assignments and gets the most massive o-zone push out of top scores not named Kane/Panarin.
On October 09 2016 06:00 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: fucking finally released from loilers jail. Wish Yak all the best with Blues.
Yeah man, all the best to Yakupov. Such a likable player who was rarely put into a position to succeed and was kinda 'meh' the few times he was.
Honestly, had they traded him a year ago I would have been upset, but now I'm just indifferent. I kind of stopped expecting his game to get any better. I mean, shit, they put him with CFMD and he was still basically just replacement-level for a career 3rd-liner who could cash on some second assists.
Eventually, you stop looking at dreams and fairy-dust because you have enough of a track record to paint an actual picture. And Yakupov is what he is. Now, that doesn't mean a team can't find a way to fit him into a role (maybe a soft-minutes line and some power play time), but that was never going to happen in Edmonton. Hence the 'meh' reaction to the trade.
On October 12 2016 01:54 Flaccid wrote: I like Johnny G - he's easy to cheer for.
That said, all he has ever done is light up third-line opposition at home, where his team gets last change and fail to score on the road where they don't. He shoots something like >20% at home and like <5% on the road. This is the definition of a specialized/complimentary player.
That's why people needed to look at more than the goals before declaring "PAY THE MANNNN". He's like a smaller Jordan Eberle, except that he doesn't draw the tough assignments and gets the most massive o-zone push out of top scores not named Kane/Panarin.
Except he's way better then eberle does produce when has the right matchup and finished 68th in league scoring. Not to mention he is top 5 in league for most exciting player he is well worth the dough. He will make the flames better and make them $$$$.
Not to mention what does Eberle make? Everyone would rather have Johnny then ebs for 750k more.
I don't disagree with much of that. I don't mean to shit on Johnny Hockey - just providing some context for what he is: a reliable, exciting outscorer of shitty opposition.
I'm excited for my Coyotes this year. Roster -- + Show Spoiler +
2 - Luke Schenn - Defense 4 - Zbynek Michalek - Defense 5 - Connor Murphy - Defense 6 - Jakob Chychrun - Defense 8 - Tobias Rieder - Right Wing 10 - Anthony Duclair - Right Wing 11 - Martin Hanzal - Center 15 - Brad Richardson - Center 16 - Max Domi - Left Wing 17 - Radim Vrbata - Right Wing 18 - Christian Dvorak - Center 19 - Shane Doan - Right Wing 20 - Dylan Strome - Center 21 - Jamie McBain - Defense 23 - Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Defense 25 - Ryan White - Left Wing 33 - Alex Goligoski - Defense 35 - Louis Domingue - Goalie 41 - Mike Smith - Goalie 48 - Jordan Martinook - Left Wing 67 - Lawson Crouse - Left Wing 76 - Laurent Dauphin - Center 88 - Jamie McGinn - Left Wing
Basically, we've got 5 rookies, and almost everyone else is young (not familiar with everyone yet, maybe 5 or 6 veterans over 30 years old?). It's going to be an exciting season filled with lots of exciting offense and shitty rookie defensive breakdowns. Tank City, Tank Tank City!
As a Sharks fan, I'm actually feeling pretty good about this season. The team has done a good job retooling and reloading younger talent. They should be good to go as strong cup contenders once again.
On October 13 2016 09:53 xDaunt wrote: Leafs fans are going to be insufferable this year.
They always are lol. And despite how obnoxious leafs fans are, Leaf Media is 100 times worse. I have to unfollow TSN and sportsnet now because they have both made around 30 FB posts about Matthews game one. I cant deal with that 81 more times....(and it will only be 81 times. They will have alot of balls in the basket this year.)
Andrew Shaw managed to get a match penalty at the final whistle. What a fucking genius. First preseason game for the Habs he gets a 3 game suspension, so what is the best thing to do in your regular season gam for your new team? Get another suspension! Just because you really didnt like that other guy and had to show this to him as the game was over. Seriously... What an idiot.
On October 16 2016 19:02 GolemMadness wrote: TFW Miller's shutout is ruined because Eriksson scores on his own net while Miller's on the bench on a delayed penalty...
www.tsn.ca has Miller down for the shutout. I remember seeing another goalie also get the shutout while on the bench while a deylayed penalty own goal was scored. I think it was Crawford.
NHL.com and every other site I've seen doesn't have the shutout, so unless they give it to him retroactively, I don't think it's going to count for the official stats
On October 17 2016 10:00 GolemMadness wrote: NHL.com and every other site I've seen doesn't have the shutout, so unless they give it to him retroactively, I don't think it's going to count for the official stats
On October 27 2016 05:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: different angle
god that hit is so good. Duchene was whining about it after, a bloo bloo.
Habs are far from a lock IMO. They remind me of Rangers 06-08. Carried by a stud goalie and 2-3 good forwards with medicore players elsewehre and a mediocre coach that runs a very conservative system
On October 27 2016 05:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: different angle
god that hit is so good. Duchene was whining about it after, a bloo bloo.
Habs are far from a lock IMO. They remind me of Rangers 06-08. Carried by a stud goalie and 2-3 good forwards with medicore players elsewehre and a mediocre coach that runs a very conservative system
You say montoya is carrying them?
It didnt look that bad when price was in goal either. Also wonder who those 2-3 forwards are, when seeing how well distributed their scoring is and considering how much their 3rd and 4th line are contributing this season.
On October 27 2016 05:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: different angle
god that hit is so good. Duchene was whining about it after, a bloo bloo.
Habs are far from a lock IMO. They remind me of Rangers 06-08. Carried by a stud goalie and 2-3 good forwards with medicore players elsewehre and a mediocre coach that runs a very conservative system
You say montoya is carrying them?
It didnt look that bad when price was in goal either. Also wonder who those 2-3 forwards are, when seeing how well distributed their scoring is and considering how much their 3rd and 4th line are contributing this season.
Most of last years team is back. Radulov and Webber are the only new faces basically.
Montreal makes the playoffs because of how insane Price is. No other reason. Last year not having him for the majority of the season showed just how awful the rest of the team is without him.
On October 27 2016 05:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: different angle
god that hit is so good. Duchene was whining about it after, a bloo bloo.
Habs are far from a lock IMO. They remind me of Rangers 06-08. Carried by a stud goalie and 2-3 good forwards with medicore players elsewehre and a mediocre coach that runs a very conservative system
You say montoya is carrying them?
It didnt look that bad when price was in goal either. Also wonder who those 2-3 forwards are, when seeing how well distributed their scoring is and considering how much their 3rd and 4th line are contributing this season.
Most of last years team is back. Radulov and Webber are the only new faces basically.
Montreal makes the playoffs because of how insane Price is. No other reason. Last year not having him for the majority of the season showed just how awful the rest of the team is without him.
So their current performance is due to Price back? When Montoya was in goal 4/7 games so far? Yeah, you make sense. Oh, and who are those fabled 2/3 forwards? Looking at this season, you must be talking about Gallagher/Radulov/Byron. Then again, have you even seen a Habs game? Guess not.
On October 27 2016 05:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: different angle
god that hit is so good. Duchene was whining about it after, a bloo bloo.
Habs are far from a lock IMO. They remind me of Rangers 06-08. Carried by a stud goalie and 2-3 good forwards with medicore players elsewehre and a mediocre coach that runs a very conservative system
You say montoya is carrying them?
It didnt look that bad when price was in goal either. Also wonder who those 2-3 forwards are, when seeing how well distributed their scoring is and considering how much their 3rd and 4th line are contributing this season.
Most of last years team is back. Radulov and Webber are the only new faces basically.
Montreal makes the playoffs because of how insane Price is. No other reason. Last year not having him for the majority of the season showed just how awful the rest of the team is without him.
That's the type of comment only people who spell "Weber" with two 'b' make. Clearly you have not seen the Habs play this season.
On October 27 2016 05:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: different angle
god that hit is so good. Duchene was whining about it after, a bloo bloo.
Habs are far from a lock IMO. They remind me of Rangers 06-08. Carried by a stud goalie and 2-3 good forwards with medicore players elsewehre and a mediocre coach that runs a very conservative system
You say montoya is carrying them?
It didnt look that bad when price was in goal either. Also wonder who those 2-3 forwards are, when seeing how well distributed their scoring is and considering how much their 3rd and 4th line are contributing this season.
Most of last years team is back. Radulov and Webber are the only new faces basically.
Montreal makes the playoffs because of how insane Price is. No other reason. Last year not having him for the majority of the season showed just how awful the rest of the team is without him.
So their current performance is due to Price back? When Montoya was in goal 4/7 games so far? Yeah, you make sense. Oh, and who are those fabled 2/3 forwards? Looking at this season, you must be talking about Gallagher/Radulov/Byron. Then again, have you even seen a Habs game? Guess not.
Yes I have seen the habs play. Outside of Weber and goalies they don't look good. Montoya has been great. His career stats however do not reflect that as a likely continuing trend. Career average is .911 save %. Zero chance he maintains the .955 currently. MTL shots for: 237 Opp Shots for: 266
Teams that get shot on more than they shoot lose hockey games unless there goalie stands on his head. Montreal's have been doing that. Goalies have been masking the flaws in the MTL system for years.
Sir, you seem to forget that the Habs currently are 3rd in the league for GPG (3.50). Sure, Price and Montoya have been playing fantastically thus far, but they are certainly not the ones producing offense. Montreal just has what looks like a well rounded team this year.
There is a feeling of trepidation in Edmonton right now, we have been beaten down for so long that nobody mentions the Oilers current success for fear of jinxing it.
On October 29 2016 05:38 Drow wrote: There is a feeling of trepidation in Edmonton right now, we have been beaten down for so long that nobody mentions the Oilers current success for fear of jinxing it.
Yeah. That Buffalo game lingers as a constant reminder of seasons past.
And of course most of our advanced metric are totally unsustainable lol. Would be great if we maintained that 9-1 scoring chance advantage while McDavid is on the ice all year though!
On October 28 2016 13:43 FaCE_1 wrote: btw, what's up with the Wings and their 6 win streak ? I didn't fallow them, how representative this streak ?
Howard has a .984 sv%. Mrazek has a .925 sv%.
So totally unsustainable. .984 is insane!!!
And the drop begins today!
Sorta. Mrazeks is gonna get stung by the .600 sa% game. Howard's won't be damaged by alot though. to lazy to do the math right now for what they are lol
Advanced stats with such a small sample size, at the beginning of the season are just dumb to look at. In general I don't put too much weight into them, too many factors that can't be put into numbers but even more so with such a small sample size at a time in the year when everyone is just trying to get their legs under them.
On October 27 2016 05:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: different angle
god that hit is so good. Duchene was whining about it after, a bloo bloo.
Habs are far from a lock IMO. They remind me of Rangers 06-08. Carried by a stud goalie and 2-3 good forwards with medicore players elsewehre and a mediocre coach that runs a very conservative system
You say montoya is carrying them?
It didnt look that bad when price was in goal either. Also wonder who those 2-3 forwards are, when seeing how well distributed their scoring is and considering how much their 3rd and 4th line are contributing this season.
Most of last years team is back. Radulov and Webber are the only new faces basically.
Montreal makes the playoffs because of how insane Price is. No other reason. Last year not having him for the majority of the season showed just how awful the rest of the team is without him.
So their current performance is due to Price back? When Montoya was in goal 4/7 games so far? Yeah, you make sense. Oh, and who are those fabled 2/3 forwards? Looking at this season, you must be talking about Gallagher/Radulov/Byron. Then again, have you even seen a Habs game? Guess not.
Yes I have seen the habs play. Outside of Weber and goalies they don't look good. Montoya has been great. His career stats however do not reflect that as a likely continuing trend. Career average is .911 save %. Zero chance he maintains the .955 currently. MTL shots for: 237 Opp Shots for: 266
Teams that get shot on more than they shoot lose hockey games unless there goalie stands on his head. Montreal's have been doing that. Goalies have been masking the flaws in the MTL system for years.
Price is that damn good
this was pretty much going to be my exact post as well. small sample size + a system that constantly has them getting outshot = i would not put a whole lot of weight behind their start
if a random hot october meant a team was good the leafs would have won the Cup by now huehuehue
On November 01 2016 01:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Advanced stats with such a small sample size, at the beginning of the season are just dumb to look at. In general I don't put too much weight into them, too many factors that can't be put into numbers but even more so with such a small sample size at a time in the year when everyone is just trying to get their legs under them.
even this early in the year, that pdo chart is basically the same as looking at a goalie with a .980 - both are due for a big ol crash soon.
The Habs had the best goal differential in the entire league... Not anymore. I still think that they will not make it into the playoffs. Michel Therien is just an awful coach. Soon he will start rotating his lines (without really knowing what the hell he is doing) and everything will go to hell.
On November 06 2016 01:58 Pr0wler wrote: The Habs had the best goal differential in the entire league... Not anymore. I still think that they will not make it into the playoffs. Michel Therien is just an awful coach. Soon he will start rotating his lines (without really knowing what the hell he is doing) and everything will go to hell.
Sad part is he probably won't ever get fired as he's been riding Bergevin's dick since 2012.
imo he should've been fired in 2015 after the Habs PP% was 5.5% in the playoffs...
On November 06 2016 01:58 Pr0wler wrote: The Habs had the best goal differential in the entire league... Not anymore. I still think that they will not make it into the playoffs. Michel Therien is just an awful coach. Soon he will start rotating his lines (without really knowing what the hell he is doing) and everything will go to hell.
Sad part is he probably won't ever get fired as he's been riding Bergevin's dick since 2012.
imo he should've been fired in 2015 after the Habs PP% was 5.5% in the playoffs...
He shouldn't have even been brought back as a coach in the first place. Any sane organization would have fired him 10x over by now... Makes me sick thinking of the talent and Carey Price being wasted by his moronic coaching schemes and ridiculous line juggling.
On November 06 2016 01:58 Pr0wler wrote: The Habs had the best goal differential in the entire league... Not anymore. I still think that they will not make it into the playoffs. Michel Therien is just an awful coach. Soon he will start rotating his lines (without really knowing what the hell he is doing) and everything will go to hell.
Doesn't matter, carry-Price.
But yeah right now there's not enough competition for Montreal to be squeezed out given Price. Right now you can only say for sure Tampa and Florida are better than Montreal. Boston's trending down because of poor asset management. Red Wings have an asset management problem, but they do have good assets. Sabres and Leafs are trending up. So in the worst case they're 3-5th in the division and going for a wild card. Playoffs still look good for them and Price can easily carry a team to a cup. Galchenyuk is rounding out, Radulov isn't a wash, and Weber playing out of his mind.
On November 06 2016 01:58 Pr0wler wrote: The Habs had the best goal differential in the entire league... Not anymore. I still think that they will not make it into the playoffs. Michel Therien is just an awful coach. Soon he will start rotating his lines (without really knowing what the hell he is doing) and everything will go to hell.
Doesn't matter, carry-Price.
But yeah right now there's not enough competition for Montreal to be squeezed out given Price. Right now you can only say for sure Tampa and Florida are better than Montreal. Boston's trending down because of poor asset management. Red Wings have an asset management problem, but they do have good assets. Sabres and Leafs are trending up. So in the worst case they're 3-5th in the division and going for a wild card. Playoffs still look good for them and Price can easily carry a team to a cup. Galchenyuk is rounding out, Radulov isn't a wash, and Weber playing out of his mind.
I put Habs over Florida 100% of the time for this year.
IMO, there is only 4 good team in the East, Habs, Tampa, Was and Pits (no order intended). You could probably ha the rangers but I don't know if they will be able to keep the paste all year long.
On November 06 2016 01:58 Pr0wler wrote: The Habs had the best goal differential in the entire league... Not anymore. I still think that they will not make it into the playoffs. Michel Therien is just an awful coach. Soon he will start rotating his lines (without really knowing what the hell he is doing) and everything will go to hell.
Doesn't matter, carry-Price.
But yeah right now there's not enough competition for Montreal to be squeezed out given Price. Right now you can only say for sure Tampa and Florida are better than Montreal. Boston's trending down because of poor asset management. Red Wings have an asset management problem, but they do have good assets. Sabres and Leafs are trending up. So in the worst case they're 3-5th in the division and going for a wild card. Playoffs still look good for them and Price can easily carry a team to a cup. Galchenyuk is rounding out, Radulov isn't a wash, and Weber playing out of his mind.
I put Habs over Florida 100% of the time for this year.
IMO, there is only 4 good team in the East, Habs, Tampa, Was and Pits (no order intended). You could probably ha the rangers but I don't know if they will be able to keep the paste all year long.
After that list, regardless of order I'd put Florida.
Tempted to edit the Wikipedia page of Devon Dubnyk and make this the profile picture. 4 years ago in Edmonton he was the reason we would lose games because he would let in at least 2 awful goals a game minimum. Now he doesn't let in 2 weak ones a month.
I would have bet $10,000 he'd never get nominated for the Vezina at any point in his career. Glad I didn't lol
Therien's annual line juggling has begun folks! Those gotta be the best moments of Paul Byron's career!
Paul Byron - Alex Galchenyuk - Alexander Radulov Phillip Danault - Tomas Plekanec - Brendan Gallagher Max Pacioretty - Torrey Mitchell - Andrew Shaw Charles Hudon - David Desharnais - Chris Terry
Alexei Emelin - Shea Weber Andrei Markov - Jeff Petry Nathan Beaulieu - Joel Hanley
On November 22 2016 03:45 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: Therien's annual line juggling has begun folks! Those gotta be the best moments of Paul Byron's career!
Paul Byron - Alex Galchenyuk - Alexander Radulov Phillip Danault - Tomas Plekanec - Brendan Gallagher Max Pacioretty - Torrey Mitchell - Andrew Shaw Charles Hudon - David Desharnais - Chris Terry
Alexei Emelin - Shea Weber Andrei Markov - Jeff Petry Nathan Beaulieu - Joel Hanley
At least Desharnais is down on the 4th line where he belongs.
On November 22 2016 03:45 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: Therien's annual line juggling has begun folks! Those gotta be the best moments of Paul Byron's career!
Paul Byron - Alex Galchenyuk - Alexander Radulov Phillip Danault - Tomas Plekanec - Brendan Gallagher Max Pacioretty - Torrey Mitchell - Andrew Shaw Charles Hudon - David Desharnais - Chris Terry
Alexei Emelin - Shea Weber Andrei Markov - Jeff Petry Nathan Beaulieu - Joel Hanley
At least Desharnais is down on the 4th line where he belongs.
On November 22 2016 03:45 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: Therien's annual line juggling has begun folks! Those gotta be the best moments of Paul Byron's career!
Paul Byron - Alex Galchenyuk - Alexander Radulov Phillip Danault - Tomas Plekanec - Brendan Gallagher Max Pacioretty - Torrey Mitchell - Andrew Shaw Charles Hudon - David Desharnais - Chris Terry
Alexei Emelin - Shea Weber Andrei Markov - Jeff Petry Nathan Beaulieu - Joel Hanley
At least Desharnais is down on the 4th line where he belongs.
That's assuming he even belongs in the NHL.
he sure doesnt belong on a 4th line... lacks the physical presence imo.
On November 23 2016 11:31 mahrgell wrote: This Vegas Golden Knights name reveal ceremony was so bad, lol... Hyping it all up, reveal name, poof, emotion dead.
Right... The crowd boo'ed more than they cheered for the announcement, lol.
Also, their logo looks like it's straight taken from the NHL 17 "Create a Team" game-mode. It's rather simplistic and does not really fit the name (Spartan helmet from antiquity to represent knights from the middle age?).
On November 23 2016 11:31 mahrgell wrote: This Vegas Golden Knights name reveal ceremony was so bad, lol... Hyping it all up, reveal name, poof, emotion dead.
Right... The crowd boo'ed more than they cheered for the announcement, lol.
Also, their logo looks like it's straight taken from the NHL 17 "Create a Team" game-mode. It's rather simplistic and does not really fit the name (Spartan helmet from antiquity to represent knights from the middle age?).
The count down was completely out of sync (the guy telling it and the screen)
Sooooo Oilers vs Flyers. Apparently Manning (one of the two players who slid with McDavid into the boards, ending McDavids rookie campaign) told McDavid he did it intentionally while on the ice.
McDavid had some things to say about that in the post game interview. Which is rare as all hell because he never talks about what is said on the ice ever. They also had a confrontation behind the net with McDavid giving him a few glove jabs like he wanted to fight him but Manning never did. It looked like wanted to fight to me at the time and that was before we knew what was said during play.
Flyers players are saying it's easy playing tough guy with Lucic on your line (I guess they aren't wrong their. I'd be alot tougher with him around too :p) and that McDavid never challenged Manning to fight. If I was a Flyer player, or any teams player I'd take the challenge. McDavid gone for 5 is more damaging to the Oilers than you gone for 5 regardless of who you are. And I am pretty sure every coach would tell their team, if CMD wants to fight, you fight. That makes me think he might not have issued the fight challenge blatantly like "hey lets fight now ok?" but I do still think if Manning did some pushing back during that altercation the gloves fly off.
Kinda looking forward to learning more about this and to Feb 16th when they meet for round two in EDM.
On December 14 2016 10:07 JimmiC wrote: Agreed, I wish they would go to every game being worth 3 points. So 3 for a reg win and 2-1 for overtime. Would make the last few minutes of a tied reg game way more interesting.
Yeah, and that's the point that is always missed when people re-run the standings after a season and show that the rankings wouldn't change a whole bunch with 3 point games. The incentive to win in a tied game is non-existent and teams play for the point until overtime. A two point difference between winning in regulation or trapping until overtime would be a game-changer.
There has been the odd game that gets out of hand but the stats so far are pretty much exactly in line with the past ~6 years, PP opportunities and PP goals per game are still close to all time lows.
There has been the odd game that gets out of hand but the stats so far are pretty much exactly in line with the past ~6 years, PP opportunities and PP goals per game are still close to all time lows.
Shots per game are at an all-time high though. hmm.
Well shots are the 14th highest this year out of 33 years that the stat is available, so close to the median. You can see goalie save % there too which has been climbing pretty steadily since it started being tracked
PP opportunities are 50th / 53, and PP goals are 48 / 53 years.
i read an interview recently where torts talked about what he had learned from the end of his rangers tenure, the vancouver disaster, and then being forced to use young dudes in CBJ (he always hated kids). he has always been an adaptable coach. In Tampa, safe was death, and then he had the Rangers as the top defensive and shot blocking team for several years. Just seems to be switching it up again and modernizing his style a bit.
On December 23 2016 01:00 JimmiC wrote: It's not just Mcdavid, the clutching grabbing and stick shit has slowly worked it's way back to being pretty common. It is not pre lockout levels but it is getting bad. I hope they start calling that shit again. I know its a pain when there is 20 PP's a night but players figure it out.
Just last night with the puck 150 feet away and a ref and linesman 3 feet away a Coyote player (Murphy?) had McDavid in a full headlock and executed a rather good hip toss to the ice. No penalty at all.
That whole game was nothing short of a 7v5 all night. With how bad Edmonton played in the third plus how biased the reffing was it's amazing they won.
The hooking and holding is getting worse and worse as the years go by. Pick plays are also not being called as interference as often either.
On December 23 2016 01:00 JimmiC wrote: It's not just Mcdavid, the clutching grabbing and stick shit has slowly worked it's way back to being pretty common. It is not pre lockout levels but it is getting bad. I hope they start calling that shit again. I know its a pain when there is 20 PP's a night but players figure it out.
Just last night with the puck 150 feet away and a ref and linesman 3 feet away a Coyote player (Murphy?) had McDavid in a full headlock and executed a rather good hip toss to the ice. No penalty at all.
That whole game was nothing short of a 7v5 all night. With how bad Edmonton played in the third plus how biased the reffing was it's amazing they won.
The hooking and holding is getting worse and worse as the years go by. Pick plays are also not being called as interference as often either.
Maybe I'm just turning into a grumpy old man, but seriously the reffing in every damn sport seems to be getting worse and worse every year. It's getting out of hand.
Crosby now tied for first in points and leading in goals by 7 after having missed 6 games. If he misses no more games, he's on pace to surpass 60 goals, which hasn't been done in 9 years.
This saturday we get to watch a first in NHL history!!!
CBJ puts its 14 game winning streak on the line vs the Wild's 12 game winning streak. Never have two teams on 10+ game win streak faced each other in NHL history!
I can't say I have ever said this, or thought I would ever say this but I am looking forward to a Blue Jackets vs Wild Game.
This season so far has been absolutely nonsensical
Hall/Larsson, Subban/Weber trades Bergeron on a crazy scoring slump (11pt in 35g) Vancouver winning 3 in a row to start, fans begin to think of playoffs, then immediately crash Montreal winning 10 in a row to prove Weber doubters wrong Rinne going hot to start the season before falling again Stamkos getting injured again 28m in cap space injured on Tampa Top 9 injured on Dallas Detroit probably not making playoffs Metropolitan Division thunderdome Matthews and Laine tearing things up in the rookie race McDavid carrying the Oilers McDavid and Crosby generational Art Ross race Colorado falling off a cliff Islanders falling off a cliff Schneider losing his game Toronto looking like a real team
and not even mentioning the 2000 expansion team bowl tomorrow
Apparently so is everyone. Tickets for the CBJ/MIN game are on resale sites for prices that rival Leafs playoff tickets prices. As much as 1500USD for good seats.
Columbus. Minnesota. 4 figure ticket prices. Never woulda thought.
On December 31 2016 17:02 Orcasgt24 wrote: Apparently so is everyone. Tickets for the CBJ/MIN game are on resale sites for prices that rival Leafs playoff tickets prices. As much as 1500USD for good seats.
Columbus. Minnesota. 4 figure ticket prices. Never woulda thought.
then you go to Florida and you get a ticket + 2 hot-dog for 20$
Life as a Vancouver fan ain't easy. When I want them to win, they lose, and now that I want them to lose and get a good pick, they keep winning. Come on.
On this day in 2007. Stefan bobbled the puck on a breakaway vs an empty net and the Oiler skated back up the ice and Hemsky scored to tie with 2 seconds left. Easily the most insane and unlikely play in NHL history IMO. Star do end up winning in OT though.
The consequences of that point? Edmonton and Chicago finished the year with 71 point each. Edmonton had the tie breaker though so they were ahead.
The draft result: Chicago had more balls in the lottery and won. Getting Patrick Kane. Edmonton would have had him if Stefan didn't make the NHL's biggest blunder!
CBJ is going for the goddamn win streak record and NBCSN is only doing periodic look ins while waiting for the goddamn Blackhawks and Sabres. How the hell do they not at least flex that game??
"The win by the United States was ... the third straight championship-round win by the U.S. against Canada. Canada last beat the U.S. 2-0 in the gold medal game at the 1997 WJC. Canada, which has reached the final a record 25 times, has won one gold medal in the past eight WJC."
Oilers vs Flames games are so much more enjoyable when both teams are not racing for last in the division! This has been a good hockey game so far. 3v3 OT should be exciting assuming its not over in 20 seconds lol
1 goal every 20 games more than last season. Overall not really significant compared to the last couple of years, but quite a bit less than 2005-2010(where only the 2007-2008 season was a negative outlier at current level)
e: and if you look for reasons: while PP% is slightly going up, pretty much the entire difference can be explained in the dramatically decreased number of PPs. The number of even goals has stayed the same, only the number of PP goals went down after those years.
On January 20 2017 17:38 Orcasgt24 wrote: In Washington's last 4 games they have scored a total of 25 goals.
ZERO have come from Ovechkin. He has like 6 points but them scoring like that without him getting any goals almost unbelievable.
He said earlier in the season he really stopped caring much for his stats/trophies and its all about his team winning. Barry even cut his ice time a bit.
What is unbelievable is that all 4 lines are producing and this is the depth they were always missing before. In January they scored 58 goals and the next 2 teams scored 39 each. Sick.
On January 20 2017 17:38 Orcasgt24 wrote: In Washington's last 4 games they have scored a total of 25 goals.
ZERO have come from Ovechkin. He has like 6 points but them scoring like that without him getting any goals almost unbelievable.
He said earlier in the season he really stopped caring much for his stats/trophies and its all about his team winning. Barry even cut his ice time a bit.
What is unbelievable is that all 4 lines are producing and this is the depth they were always missing before. In January they scored 58 goals and the next 2 teams scored 39 each. Sick.
Since that post they played 3 more games and got 10 goals. Only 1 is Ovies (they got shutout by Ottawa tonight, 6-1 vs the Canes and 4-3 vs the Stars).
The 4 line depth scoring is making the team look like 2 first lines and 2 second lines. That continues and they almost certainly win the cup. I don't think any NHL team can stop a true four line scoring team right now.
On January 26 2017 22:36 Jer99 wrote: Hit my nuts with my own stick, ow
LOL
I've been wanting to learn how to play hockey for the last 3-4 years, but never got around to it because I don't know how to buy a stick and I'll have to figure out how to buy a full face helmet. Some friends gave me spare parts - broken gloves, used leg pads, etc. Do you have any advice for buying a first-time stick? I'm about 6'0.
Leafs have shutout 2 teams in a row. I haven't ever felt good about a Leafs team in the 10+ years I've followed them until this year. Everything is clicking, Andersen has played as well as we could have hoped for mediocre pickup at the time. And they play a fun style of shoot many pucks and get shot at a lot. My experience has been they'll become a trainwreck and lose 30 games in a row now but let's see how it goes.
yeah don't worry about the flex, all you really need is making sure that it's the correct hand and length. Also tape the top of the stick for grip, and the blade
On January 27 2017 05:23 Blisse wrote: Leafs have shutout 2 teams in a row. I haven't ever felt good about a Leafs team in the 10+ years I've followed them until this year. Everything is clicking, Andersen has played as well as we could have hoped for mediocre pickup at the time. And they play a fun style of shoot many pucks and get shot at a lot. My experience has been they'll become a trainwreck and lose 30 games in a row now but let's see how it goes.
Looool, sounds like being an Oilers fan right now. Just waiting for the wheels to come off any time now since experience tells us that IT ALWAYS HAPPENS.
On January 20 2017 17:38 Orcasgt24 wrote: In Washington's last 4 games they have scored a total of 25 goals.
ZERO have come from Ovechkin. He has like 6 points but them scoring like that without him getting any goals almost unbelievable.
He said earlier in the season he really stopped caring much for his stats/trophies and its all about his team winning. Barry even cut his ice time a bit.
What is unbelievable is that all 4 lines are producing and this is the depth they were always missing before. In January they scored 58 goals and the next 2 teams scored 39 each. Sick.
Since that post they played 3 more games and got 10 goals. Only 1 is Ovies (they got shutout by Ottawa tonight, 6-1 vs the Canes and 4-3 vs the Stars).
The 4 line depth scoring is making the team look like 2 first lines and 2 second lines. That continues and they almost certainly win the cup. I don't think any NHL team can stop a true four line scoring team right now.
Yesterdays 5-0 against Kings was a good testimonial to that. Eller and Conolly both scored while Kings were trying to shut down the first line of Caps. Caps' 3rd line has 30 goals this season and 4th line has 20. Oh and their goalies have 10 shutouts combined in 50 games. WTF this is so strong. If no team gets on a crack like Pens did last year, this is your Cup contender.
Montréal's problems definitely start it with therrien so it's automatically a win just to be rid of him. But it would really help if they could get more than a couple good players
how the shit does Vermette only get 10 games for slashing a ref?? Wideman initially got 20 for something that eveyrone knew was intentional but at least disguised enough that you could maaaaybe argue otherwise. This was so blatant and stupid.
yeah that one was fucking dumb too. but at least that you can *maybe* chalk it up to he ment to shove him out of the way and caught face. basically he ment to hit him but not like that. still obviously suspendable but it's not like turning and winding up like Vermette did. there's no question what he did.
rumor has it that Therrien chewed out noted idiot Andrew Shaw, it got very personal, and Carey Price had to step in.
I almost forgot Shaw is getting $4m/per through 2021 and is the 4th highest paid Hab forward. And the Habs traded 2 2nds for him. yeesh.
I hate Shaw currently but if he had any role in Therrien getting fired then I will go out and buy his jersey, start a petition to have a statue made of him outside of the bell center.
I still think they really need to can Bergevin too. He's ultimately the one who did the above and other boneheaded moves to create the glut of 3rd liners they have now. Julien is a great coach, but he doesn't have a ton to work with atm. They're lucky that division is weak this year, and they still have Price, Pax, a still good Weber, etc.
I think it's going to be really interesting to see what they do with Radulov, since he's going to be old and pushing for a long exepnsive deal. Signing him to that will probably be bad long term, but as one of the key guys this year, they really can't afford to lose him. Gallagher and Galchenyuk are already playing top 6 minutes usually, and they don't really have any in house guys that can replace his production.
i don't know shit about the prospect going to Tampa. Is he worthwhile? if not, than sure. they got him cheap otherwise, and he's better than Budaj. It's a good back up to Quick who still has a wonky groin.
Good trade from the Sharks' perspective. Goldobin didn't seem like he was going to develop well in our system (if at all), so unloading him now was a good idea. Hansen will help solidify the Sharks' bottom six scoring depth, which could use some help. I really like the depth that the Sharks are rolling with right now. They should be able to compete with anybody during the playoffs.
lotta moves that don't make a ton of sense. Avs looking like they're going to hold on to their young kids, which is probably smart given the issues are elsewhere. Doan hopefully continues to rot in AZ.
lotta moves that don't make a ton of sense. Avs looking like they're going to hold on to their young kids, which is probably smart given the issues are elsewhere. Doan hopefully continues to rot in AZ.
The asking price is sky high and unpayable mid season. They will likely be gone at the draft.
Well Montreal got bigger. Would have preferred just Dwight King and picking up somebody that can actually score but meh, they didn't get worse at least.
Kinda sad Edmonton didn't really do anything but also not to surprised either. Not alot of players were available and the ones that were had high prices or were just plugs for the bottom of the line up. Ended up just making two 1 for 1 swaps.
Yeah, I like the Wild as a contender. Very deep team. I also think that the Sharks are a bit of a sleeper again in terms of not yet showing their true potential. Like last year, they have had some injuries this season that has slowed them down and hid their depth, but once fully healthy, they're going to be rolling with a roster that looks like this:
On March 03 2017 03:19 JimmiC wrote: from what I heard coyotes held out for a first and no one was willing to give it. I heard Flames Bruins habs and others all made offers.
If it was just a first I think all playoff teams can afford that. Draft is not that great this year so firsts are less valuable. Seems like a reasonable price to me but then again, I don't have 50 pro scouts feeding me info on prospects
Curious what you guys think of Josh Ho-Sang wearing #66. Personally. I don't care but alot of people seem to think its sacrilegious. It's not retired by the NHL or NYI and no Islander was wearing it so IMO go for it. The fact he takes flak for wearing 66 is BS while people wearing 9 (Howes #) or 4(Orr) get no crap.
Bettman has finally said Glendale can't support an NHL team. I don't know how many hundreds of millions of dollars or different bankruptcies, sales and potential owners it took to reach this conclusion but fans told you from day 1 that this move was doomed from the start.
Too bad because Glendale has one of the NHL's nicest arenas. Arizona can't support an NHL team though so it needs a new city lol
I can't wait until the Vegas team tanks as well. Bettman is a tool. The NFL has spouse abuse issues, MLB steroids run rampant and yet NHL still has the most hated commissioner xD.
What will he do when Arizona continues to fail, and Vegas fails?
I give Vegas one maybe two novelty years with decent attendance. Then it will be like what Florida and Tampa were for years, Canadians on vacation going to the game because its cheap.
McDavid looks fast on a TV. You really do not get the scope of his speed on the TV though. In person it's just a whole another level. Like the kid can skate circles around the best in the league effortlessly.
On March 21 2017 12:38 Orcasgt24 wrote: McDavid looks fast on a TV. You really do not get the scope of his speed on the TV though. In person it's just a whole another level. Like the kid can skate circles around the best in the league effortlessly.
The scary thing isn't just his speed, lots of guys can skate fast in a straight line, its his control and agility at that top speed which is truly insane.
the Metro threesome is hilarious. neck-to-neck for division/conference and president trophy However would be hilarious if hawks robs them all haha So what do you guys think of Oilers making playoffs?!
South Korea will not have (many) NHL players next winter. NHL is not shutting the league down for the games.
IOC/IIHF have said NHL doesn't get to pick and choose games so they are almost certainly not going to China either because the those two organizations have long memories and like to flex their muscles.
Poll: During the Winter Olympics, what will you watch for Hockey?
Only the Olympics (11)
65%
Both (4)
24%
Only the NHL (2)
12%
Neither (0)
0%
17 total votes
Your vote: During the Winter Olympics, what will you watch for Hockey?
(Vote): Only the NHL (Vote): Only the Olympics (Vote): Neither (Vote): Both
Gonna love to see what the league does if all the superstar players still go to the Olympics.
Suspend them? That's more games you're not going to sell because if all of them go, They'd be gone for the two weeks of the Olympics and then suspend them for another 2-3 weeks? That's over a month of NHL hockey without any of its top players, tickets will plummet so will ratings, teams will be furious.
Fine them? These are all superstar players making 6+ Million a season plus endorsements fines ain't going to do shit/
Think teams aren't going to sign these guys after or release them because of a breach of contract? Not fucking likely, the NHL can try and boast and pretend it has the power here. But it really doesn't. If all of the star players decide to go as one, the NHL can't do jack shit and I realllyyy want to see Bettman squirm so I hope they do.
i'd watch both, but i would venture to say that there will be a number of high profile stars that go. this kinda dick waving by Bettman is going to lead to yet another lockout.
I might actually watch the leafs tonight cause its such a tight run. I guess TB would have to win all 3 games and Toronto would have to lose all 3 but damn that would be upsetting.
Either way montreal boston ottawa toronto pitsburg washington ++ is a sweet bracket for rivalries.
i thought the east was locked up and just a matter of seeding??
also, somehow Marchand gets 2 games for doing the exact same thing that Crosby did. And Marchand's was that whole vet disguised spear vs Crosby blatantly nutshotting O'Reilly.
Marchand being a continual dipshit earned that, but ffs, Crosby has earned a few games at this point
i thought the east was locked up and just a matter of seeding??
also, somehow Marchand gets 2 games for doing the exact same thing that Crosby did. And Marchand's was that whole vet disguised spear vs Crosby blatantly nutshotting O'Reilly.
Marchand being a continual dipshit earned that, but ffs, Crosby has earned a few games at this point
Crosby is the face of the league, he could basically murder a puppy on the ice and the league would look away, analysts call it a regular hockey play that happens 100x a game etc.
I don't have high hopes for the Sharks. They've been playing like the walking dead over the past quarter-season. And it doesn't help that their top two centers are hurt.
In 2006 San Jose and Edmonton had the two loudest buildings in the NHL and during the series between them fans basically competed against each other. I remember CBC showing regular decibel meters and Commentators basically yelling into their mics to be heard.
God Montreal played like pure shit after the like halfway through the first. Was so hyped all week for this game and it was a giant turd. Super salty lol.
On April 13 2017 17:08 Orcasgt24 wrote: Someone forgot to tell the Oilers that you have to play for 60 minutes and not 20.
They looked like the team that got to draft McDavid after the first period
I don't usually shit on refs, but those brutal calls and non-calls took all of the momentum out of the game. Totally destroyed the game plan and the Oilers backed off and started allowing the Sharks to dictate the pace. A more experienced team would have made adjustments and recovered so I guess we'll see.
On April 13 2017 17:08 Orcasgt24 wrote: Someone forgot to tell the Oilers that you have to play for 60 minutes and not 20.
They looked like the team that got to draft McDavid after the first period
I don't usually shit on refs, but those brutal calls and non-calls took all of the momentum out of the game. Totally destroyed the game plan and the Oilers backed off and started allowing the Sharks to dictate the pace. A more experienced team would have made adjustments and recovered so I guess we'll see.
I don't disagree that the reffing was less than good (Lucic got full value for his slashing penalty but that was retaliation for a spear and should have been 2 each and somehow hooking McDavids stick above his head is not a penalty). But this is the playoffs and reffing is notoriously inconsistent and you just have to expect to never get a call.
Besides the bad reffing though, after the first Edmonton took like 10 or 11 shots. SJ took over 30. They took the puck from us at will in every zone. The game could have ended 10-2 and I wouldn't have blamed Talbot for the loss. He's the only reason we made overtime.
Oh and Drake Caggiula stick evaporating on the breakaway. That was bullshit
toronto vs washington is gonna be epic tonight. even tho i think washington is the better team i really think toronto could take the series.. toronto hype is also insane at home
On April 16 2017 02:48 castleeMg wrote: toronto vs washington is gonna be epic tonight. even tho i think washington is the better team i really think toronto could take the series.. toronto hype is also insane at home
Zach Werenski took a puck to the face. This link is probably the worst selfie ever taken. Don't click if squeamish. This is why hockey is the greatest sport on Earth. I can't believe this kid came back and played. I can believe he missed OT because his eye was swollen shut.
As a Habs fan, usually Leafs winning is terrible but god damn it is hilarious. I'm torn, Washington losing would be so funny, but at the same time, the Leafs fans are unbearable after they win the first few game of the season if they win this series it will be like my ear drums being dragged through broken glass for weeks.
But fuck it, Go Leafs win until we get a Montreal vs Toronto match up the rivalry needs a spark.
On April 19 2017 04:13 JimmiC wrote: Cool, But I bet not more minutes. It feels like they have ended all pretty quick! (that is just my impression though I have no idea what the numbers are)
I don't know time lengths either. All I know is as of the Tor/Was OT game CBC said this round had more ot games than last years first round.
What a shitty game from Montreal. Pacioretty is nowhere to be found whole series, not a single good play this game... At this point might as well scratch him and put someone useful in the line-up. With only two lines playing decent, well deserved loss.
Oilers look like the 2012 team that never had the puck, turned it over 2 outta 3 possessions and was usually down by a touchdown by the second intermission. Oilers look like absolute shit tonight and Sharks look like an unstoppable juggernaut.
According to NHL.com no team has ever overcame a 6 goal deficit to win. The record is 5, done twice. So this game is over. Fans start chanting "WE WANT SEVEN!" so SJ gives them a seventh. Fans are chanting "WE WANT EIGHT!" now
On April 19 2017 10:56 Pr0wler wrote: Blue Jackets finally fighting back.
To be fair Jackets were fighting back in game 3, but that goal on the injury of Werenski really screwed them up. We would have easily have 2-2 in series now.
On April 19 2017 10:56 Pr0wler wrote: Blue Jackets finally fighting back.
To be fair Jackets were fighting back in game 3, but that goal on the injury of Werenski really screwed them up. We would have easily have 2-2 in series now.
That play shoulda been called dead. Might have been if Werenski stayed down but I can't really blame him for getting up to go get medical attention as soon as possible.
Draisaitl thankfully managed to dodge a suspension. He woulda appealed anyways and thus played since Crosby and Markov didn't even get a penalty and the only reason Marchand got suspended is he has a rap sheet longer than the ice
On April 19 2017 10:56 Pr0wler wrote: What a shitty game from Montreal. Pacioretty is nowhere to be found whole series, not a single good play this game... At this point might as well scratch him and put someone useful in the line-up. With only two lines playing decent, well deserved loss.
Blue Jackets finally fighting back.
Pacioretty was the one who started the play leading to Radu's OT goal in game 2 after backchecking. Other than that, yes, underwhelming performance. At least he is not negatively affecting the game unlike Beaulieu + Show Spoiler +
On April 19 2017 10:56 Pr0wler wrote: What a shitty game from Montreal. Pacioretty is nowhere to be found whole series, not a single good play this game... At this point might as well scratch him and put someone useful in the line-up. With only two lines playing decent, well deserved loss.
Blue Jackets finally fighting back.
Pacioretty was the one who started the play leading to Radu's OT goal in game 2 after backchecking. Other than that, yes, underwhelming performance. At least he is not negatively affecting the game unlike Beaulieu + Show Spoiler +
Pacrioretty been frustrating as hell. King I don't mind, he's a good 4th line plug and probably has more scroing chances than Patches right now, he just has no touch and can't bury any of the chances he gets.
Shaw pisses me off, takes dumb ass penalties and brings no value to the table in my eyes. I fucking hate seeing him on hte power play. Really hope we ditch him asap in the off season.
On April 20 2017 07:27 Orcasgt24 wrote: Draisaitl thankfully managed to dodge a suspension. He woulda appealed anyways and thus played since Crosby and Markov didn't even get a penalty and the only reason Marchand got suspended is he has a rap sheet longer than the ice
First time I've seen a shot that ugly from a German without taking a trip through Belgium first.
After about 10 shots on goal I thought fuck, first rush up the ice SJ is gonna score because Talbot has been bored for the last 20 minutes of the game. I can't count how many times I have seen a team dominate like that then quickly lose first rush to their end.
Thank god we finally scored though. What a pass by Draisaitl! Even better shot by Desharnais
SJ never took a shot from inside our blueline in OT that hit the net. Both shots were dump ins on net If we can control the game like that on saturday that would be great!
Oscar Klefbom's third period goal, a slap shot he got a skating head start into was clocked at 100.5 MPH and the bend in his stick made it look like it was a drawn bow.
That was a cannon! Probably the hardest shot taken in these playoffs. At least on goal scoring plays
On April 22 2017 14:52 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Refs in the Bruins game were absolutely brutal and that is coming from a Habs fan. Glad they at least got the win still.
Also reminder Kadri is and always will be a scumbag.
Yeah Kadri is a piece of shit. And not just on that hit, his whole game is built on destructive and dirty play. Fuck that guy
On April 22 2017 14:52 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Refs in the Bruins game were absolutely brutal and that is coming from a Habs fan. Glad they at least got the win still.
Also reminder Kadri is and always will be a scumbag.
Yeah Kadri is a piece of shit. And not just on that hit, his whole game is built on destructive and dirty play. Fuck that guy
Not only the dirty hits, but he dives and he starts shit then runs to hide behind the refs. Pure scum.
yea kadri kinda giving himself an even worse rep than he already had after last night, washington looked dangerous in the last 2 games, oshie and backstrom r starting to eat the leafs alive
Pretty embarassing game 6 from Montreal. Watching them failing to gain the blue line though the entire 3rd period with 1 goal deficit was actually painful.
On April 23 2017 11:50 Pr0wler wrote: Pretty embarassing game 6 from Montreal. Watching them failing to gain the blue line though the entire 3rd period with 1 goal deficit was actually painful.
It was completely disgusting and pathetic. Seriously blow this trash tier team up and start from scratch again. Keep Price and Radulov and maybe Weber.
It's fucking embarrassing to be a fan of a team that plays like that in an elimination game.
... and sharks continue being Capitals of the West, getting knocked out in the first round. This playoffs is a lot of fun i gotta say.
EDIT: not to sound harsh, but the trend of Boudreau boosting the team into the very best in regular season and then losing facelessly in playoffs is quite obvious Capitals, Ducks, Wild ... lol
On April 23 2017 19:38 TT1 wrote: galchenyuk and beaulieu better get traded in the offseason. especially galchenyuk, such an overrated player, hes gonna lose value if we dont move him.
I agree. I don't see him becoming a consistent player. And Beaulieu's a joke of a defenseman.
On April 23 2017 19:38 TT1 wrote: galchenyuk and beaulieu better get traded in the offseason. especially galchenyuk, such an overrated player, hes gonna lose value if we dont move him.
He started the season very well but was never the same after the injury.
On April 23 2017 19:38 TT1 wrote: galchenyuk and beaulieu better get traded in the offseason. especially galchenyuk, such an overrated player, hes gonna lose value if we dont move him.
it would help if they played the guy who scored 30g last year with good players instead of giving him 4th line minutes with scrubs
granted, the montreal team is shitty overall, a ton of 3rd line players and not enough good ones, but julien was burying Galchenyuk and playing shit like Shaw key situations and giving him top line minutes. It was like Therrien never left
On April 23 2017 19:38 TT1 wrote: galchenyuk and beaulieu better get traded in the offseason. especially galchenyuk, such an overrated player, hes gonna lose value if we dont move him.
He started the season very well but was never the same after the injury.
Give him a chance next year...
Galchenyuk has no hockey IQ, he's one of the worst defensive players i've ever seen, he can't find his linemates, he's soft as toilet paper and he can't win a board battle. He's an extremely 1 dimensional player, when he's not producing he's just hurting the team.. badly. Dude's been getting sheltered offensive minutes for his entire career, this is his 5th season in the NHL. Enough is enough, he had his shot at being a 1C here and he lost his spot to Danault.. that's just fucking sad.
All he has are good hands, a good shot and a good 1 timer. Whenever he has the puck he tries to dangle 3 players by himself.. which obviously never works out. He'll score a highlight reel goal once in a blue moon but out of like 20 plays he'll ruin 19 of them. Probably drives his linemates insane.
On April 23 2017 19:38 TT1 wrote: galchenyuk and beaulieu better get traded in the offseason. especially galchenyuk, such an overrated player, hes gonna lose value if we dont move him.
He started the season very well but was never the same after the injury.
Give him a chance next year...
Galchenyuk has no hockey IQ, he's one of the worst defensive players i've ever seen, he can't find his linemates, he's soft as toilet paper and he can't win a board battle. He's an extremely 1 dimensional player, when he's not producing he's just hurting the team.. badly. Dude's been getting sheltered offensive minutes for his entire career, this is his 5th season in the NHL. Enough is enough, he had his shot at being a 1C here and he lost his spot to Danault.. that's just fucking sad.
All he has are good hands, a good shot and a good 1 timer. Whenever he has the puck he tries to dangle 3 players by himself.. which obviously never works out. He'll score a highlight reel goal once in a blue moon but out of like 20 plays he'll ruin 19 of them. Probably drives his linemates insane.
he's definitely not a defensive center, and he blows at draws, but all metrics clearly show that he generates a lot of positive stuff in the offensive zone. Not everyone needs to be a great 2 way center like vintage Plekanec or dominate play on the boards. And he's really only had 2 full years playing as center in the NHL.
His most common ES linemates this year were Lehkonen and Shaw (26.5%) and Ott and Martensen (11.9%) and he still finished 3rd in points while playing way less games than other forwards. Burying him on ES with those types of pluggers is insane and goes a long way to explaining why he's trying to Hulk his way through 3 defenders vs expecting Steve Ott to do something useful with a pass. He's out on PP with Radulov and Pacoretty a lot, which starts him in the offensive zone more, but using him the way the Habs did this year is insane.
Don't really care about his advanced stats (and trust me im really into adv stats). I've been watching this kid play for the past 5 years and i've seen every single one of his games, he's not the type of player you wanna pay ~6M (which is what he'll probably get). Galchenyuk is like the winger version of Spezza minus the playmaking abilities, that's not a good thing.
I'd move him in a heartbeat for someone like Trocheck, he's not a big name player like Galchenyuk but he plays the game way more efficiently. He's the type of center you need to make deep runs in the playoffs, Galchenyuk isn't even a center.
Honestly i'd be shocked if he didn't get moved this offseason. Wouldn't be a mistake either.
The hockey in ott-bos series is embarassing. If you even can call that hockey. The only reason the series can go to game 7 is that both teams are shit. Rangers will roll over either of them in 4 games.
And now the moment we have all been waiting for. TSN and Sportsnet are going to release about 300 articles between now and the start of the second round about the Leafs.
Probably another three hundred during the second round too.
On April 24 2017 08:19 JimmiC wrote: Considering the Bruins are missing 4 of there top 6 dman. And their 3rd best forward. They did ok. Ott basically plays a trap so it's not fun to watch
Ott coach is the most boring coach of all-time. Worst when Lemaire with the Devils.
Oh man, Capitals - Penguins, lets go! And i also hope for Nasheville - Edmonton conference finals in the west, haha that would have been quite a story!
I remeber hearing some talk about how giving teams a point for an OTL was killing the excitement in the final minutes. With all the OT hockey in the playoffs, so far, I ran a quick check. In the playoffs we're going to the fourth period about 78% more often than in the regular season. Not going to say that there isn't an issue, but I will say I'm not too worried about it anymore.
Playoffs - 17 games went to OT out of 42 so far -- 40.4% Reg - 279 OT out of 1230 total games -- 22.7%
On April 24 2017 09:11 JimmiC wrote: If you look through there is for sure a couple solid picks but just one all star (forsberg). And then a decent amount of solid players. The top 4 is one of the all time worst. Unless Murray can stay healthy.
You have Vasilevsky and Maatta, Dumba and Trouba and even Riley (besides the other mentioned)....its not great value obviously but its not trash...I would assume sooner or later Vasi will be an all star ;-)
On April 25 2017 04:56 JimmiC wrote: Its pretty bad, 0 superstar potential. Look at 13-14-15-16 all way better and a year behind in development. Now I heard this yeah is a weak class to. Not that the players you mentioned are bad, but when there the best of the entire class its pretty weak.
It's a style difference. The Bruins had the Sens penned in a lot but they were kept largely to the outside and not allowed to get many shots on goal, I think the Sens only got out shot once in the entire series and then only by 1. The Rangers on the other hand are a rush team, which the Sens have matched up well against this year by clogging the neutral zone and having the left D step up at the blue line. They're not getting boxed in their end because that's not the style the Rangers play so they're free to push the forecheck a little while still playing responsibly (for the most part).
yeah the rangers are the odd rush team in a possession era, but it tends to work for them most nights. i forget their actual stats, but they're lower half of the league for corsi/fenwick. they can play possesion on the boards if htey want, but the go to is counter play
also hot damn McDavid is fast. Edmonton looks legitimately good.
On April 30 2017 05:26 QuanticHawk wrote: i'm concerned about flaccid's health. his liver was a youngin the last time they were this deep
He'll be fine. All the years of terribleness we maintained the same levels of drinking to cope. You don't watch Devon Dubnyk as an Oiler sober and stay out of jail or alive
On April 30 2017 12:25 zev318 wrote: rip washington?
seems like Holts cannot play Pens, he looks like a rookie. The rest is a snowball effect of players getting frustrated and not having fun on ice. If Barry doesn't put Grubby in the net, this series is all ogre.
On April 30 2017 23:49 JimmiC wrote: Grubby looked awful in the third. Not sure that's the answer
well he was cold for more than a month, no wonder. I've never seen Holts being so nervous and tilted as after the first goal. He looked completely lost and that is it for the team.
On May 01 2017 09:33 QuanticHawk wrote: good lord McDavid is such a stupidly good skater
Yeah he is one sick human.
Other than that goal though Edmonton looked pretty bad. Not as bad as that 7-0 game but pretty close.
I blame the mic issue pregame. We sang the USA anthem too well and that fired up the ducks...Next game will be so quite during the song you will hear a pin drop lol
On May 03 2017 03:51 QuanticHawk wrote: no way should an accidental headshot on a guy falling directly into the defender be suspension worthy. id even say the gamer was probably too much.
imo right call woulda been 2 for ovechkin lumberjacking him and 2 for niskanen since you still have to have control of your stick.
that was not accidental, he was lining him up for a check the whole way, the only thing u can say is that he could have cross checked him harder if he really wanted to.
I legitimately feel like I have zero knowledge of the NHL rule book. Playoff hockey need its own rulebook published online so that we can learn what is and is not a penalty. Every series the refs are terrible. I doubt all 12 of the guys working the various series are just shitty refs so there's gotta be a different, secret book they use.
yeah.. I really start to hate the playoff. The ref are just terrible...
I keep hearing "playoff hockey" or stuff like "playoff rules". WTF is that shit. I dom't know any other sports that just stop calling penalty just because the playoff started, it piss me off.
They still call stupid penalty like pucks out of the ice without touching the glass or hand on pucks, etc.. the "obvious" one that you can pass but they just stop calling everything else (cross-check, slashing, specially hooking). unless it's extremely obvious.. I just hate that.
With the oilers playoff run, we've been able to bring on board some new oilers fans and sometimes they ask the question "are they allowed to do that?" and we usually cannot provide an answer better than "um kinda".
On May 04 2017 23:53 Kau wrote: With the oilers playoff run, we've been able to bring on board some new oilers fans and sometimes they ask the question "are they allowed to do that?" and we usually cannot provide an answer better than "um kinda".
My answer is "The playoffs have no rules"
It's not just the ducks I am complaining about either though they are definitely more aware of how to abuse the lack of reffing than most. All teams, even the Oilers do shit that in the reg season gets you sat for 2 but in the playoffs gets you nothing.
Could you imagine if the NFL stopped calling pass interference or holding in the playoffs or the NBA stopped calling all there million different fouls? There would be riots. Why do we NHL fans put up with this crap?
yeah. what's fucking weird is that as much as buchnevich will be a great player someday, Glass has been useful when in the lineup.
for Ottawa, I think it is helping since he's been really good on the forecheck, and outside of gimy Karlsson, they're not a team that moves the puck well
I remember the good ol days when Sports Illustrated wasn't a shitrag. They had a profile on Messier once. There was a quote from some Islanders rookie who tagged him and Messier spent the entire game chasing him around before elbowing him stupid
can't have Messier chat without him murdering Modano (helper to the paramedics at the end)
Probably because he doesn't even remember it happened. I read the title of the video and thought to myself "that's exaggerating a little isn't it?" and watched the video and now agree with the title.
Don't believe what I just saw. How was no timeout called after goal 2. How do you blow a 3 goal lead with 3 and change on the clock.
I really do not see how Edmonton can win game 6 after this. I think it's over. In part because Getzlaf is just a fucking beast right now and can do no wrong, in part because Edmonton cannot win a single faceoff and in part because the referees are clearly on Anaheim's side as evidenced by the fact goalie interference is legal on Talbot
On Sunday in the first period I want any Oiler on the ice with the puck to drive the net and absolutely run over Gibbson. Make as little effort to shot as possible and just deck him. Hopefully the puck goes in the net then we can all see how biased the goal review process really is.
On May 06 2017 04:10 QuanticHawk wrote: I remember the good ol days when Sports Illustrated wasn't a shitrag. They had a profile on Messier once. There was a quote from some Islanders rookie who tagged him and Messier spent the entire game chasing him around before elbowing him stupid
can't have Messier chat without him murdering Modano (helper to the paramedics at the end)
On May 07 2017 06:40 JimmiC wrote: The other perspective on the oilers game.
I was the lone flames fan watching the game with 2 oilers fans and 3 bandwagon jumpers. I took so much abuse for 56.30. How the oilers new dynasty had started and the flames could enjoy perhaps being the second best in the west and blah blah blah. They really gave it to me as hard as they could (as I would have in the opposite situation)
But then my salvation came. The game turned on the dime and there egos shrank dramatically. That 3 minutes was as glorious as I could have watched as I got to swap from taking a pound to delivering death blows about winning the off season isn't the same as winning the cup. I know many of you disagree but for me, it was a great night!
sorry you had to deal with asshole fans. I'd hope that after a decade of failure people would have some perspective.
I find both Flames and Oilers fans to be, on the whole, pretty classy. I get friendly ribbing when I attend a game in Calgary but it's all in good fun. We can still sit there and talk hockey and bitch about the Ducks. Kind of the opposite of Canucks fans where I'm just trying not to get sucker punched for the most part =P
Now that the Oilers have had a bit of success, they are gonna have some bandwagoners who are there for said success and have learned nothing from the futility of which they didn't take part. Those guys will be dicks. Feel free to enjoy their frustration.
Man Hank is a very critical player, he yells and gives the eye to his teammates :D. Kinda feel bad for Skjei (1st year in the league and all), he's been playing really well.. Hank let him have it tho.
So the Oilers apparently just went up 6-0 early in the second period. I'm not sure how that's even possible but let's hope they find some way to blow it
On May 08 2017 09:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: So the Oilers apparently just went up 6-0 early in the second period. I'm not sure how that's even possible but let's hope they find some way to blow it
Anaheim did not show up to play this game. Edmonton has nearly every faceoff, board battle, puck race and are all over the ducks in every zone like white on rice.
Also Jonathan Bernier was in net for the last three goals
On May 09 2017 10:58 QuanticHawk wrote: also fuck all them pitt fans leaving
Anaheim fans left game 5 early and look what happened. Soooo many empty seats during OT. You would think that would serve as an example that time on the clock means you can win.
Also looking forward to Karlssons hat trick in a 6-1 win.
edit; Looking at the stands on TV....they are like half empty!!! Soooooo many left
Come on Oilers. Unless Anaheim gets a few lucky ones early or something and Edmonton is forced to chase, it should be a rad game. 6-0 Oilers, McDavid with 9 goals, Drai with 4. Count it.
On May 11 2017 06:55 Flaccid wrote: Come on Oilers. Unless Anaheim gets a few lucky ones early or something and Edmonton is forced to chase, it should be a rad game. 6-0 Oilers, McDavid with 9 goals, Drai with 4. Count it.
Feel like I'm watching the funeral of the Washington Capitals.
And with Alexander Ovechkin on the third line averaging around 13 min a game I feel like the capitals are incapable of hiring somebody that knows how to utilize the best pure goal scorer in modern NHL history and possibly wasted the prime of his career.
On May 11 2017 11:47 JimmiC wrote: Lucky lucky lucky oilers. That's what makes that rules so dumb. Can take away goals can never add many.
The puck came out. Only by like a 10th of a millimeter, possibly less but there is white ice between the puck and blue line visible from the blue line cam they use to determine offside video reviews.
Real question is would MacLellan challenge that given how poorly our challenges have gone.
Well gg. Ducks get four goals and win the game 2-1 because NHL is weird.
On May 11 2017 10:52 Orcasgt24 wrote: Feel like I'm watching the funeral of the Washington Capitals.
And with Alexander Ovechkin on the third line averaging around 13 min a game I feel like the capitals are incapable of hiring somebody that knows how to utilize the best pure goal scorer in modern NHL history and possibly wasted the prime of his career.
The problem is that Ovechkin is more of a Kessel than a Crosby. Great goal scorer with a wicked shot and occasionally makes a play to a teammate in the offensive zone. Ovechkin adds the element of the occasional big hit that Kessel does not. However, he's still terrible defensively and in a lot of simple situations.
Start around 1:14. Here, Ovechkin misses the breakout pass on the left wing with an uninterested one arm stab at the puck. If you pause at 1:18, you'll see him stand straight up while all 7 other visible players have their knees bent, actively participating in the play. He's not. He should be hustling to get back into a passing lane across the slot or picking up a specific man. At the end of the play, the puck comes back across and he's a step slow getting there, so PIT scores the first goal of the game. If he would have played actively in a ready position without the puck, he could have probably tipped the first pass out of the zone and he definitely could have gotten back to break up the game winning goal.
You can watch the replay from the other angle to see him react slowly in both opportunities. He also slowed down on his way to defend and actually had a 3rd opportunity to make a play defensively just by going hard after the initial poor reaction.
He's completely different when he knows he's got a chance to score. Watch from 1:45-1:54, he crashes the net well. When the puck bounces away and there's no goal scoring chance, he gives up again. Then when his teammate gets control with a chance to make a pass, you see him get to open ice, sink into a deep knee bend, and then take a beautiful one-timer that Fleury got lucky on. So it's not like he's incapable. He just only cares about one thing.
You can also fast forward to 2:42 and watch Ovechkin give no effort and fail to get a puck out of the zone that definitely should have gotten out. He also makes no effort to get back into the play after failing to get it out, although in this case he would not have helped. It might have helped if the save was made and the rebound came back towards him as opposed to letting #13 get a rebound.
He's a great highlight reel players, but it's the kind of crap I've just highlighted that keeps him from going far in the playoffs. He needs to play against 3rd pairing defenses and 3rd/4th line offenses on the other team to have success and you'll rarely find that on the 1st line. Or his teammates on the ice need to be so good defensively and so good on the breakout that he doesn't need to help with either. PIT has been able to do it with Kessel and turned him into a Stanley Cup champion, but that's not an easy task. Kessel is still only +3 on a great team while Ovechkin is +6 on another great team for the regular season. For that extra +3 and 1 less point, Ovechkin costs 9.5 mil as opposed to Kessel's 6.8 mil hit to the cap.
Crosby (8.7 mil cap hit) and Backstrom (6.7 mil cap hit) are both +17 by comparison with Oshie (4.2 mil cap hit) at +28.
On May 11 2017 20:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Yea and like that I no longer care about the playoffs. My hopes list was Montreal>Calgary>Edmonton>Toronto>Washington
Fuck Ottawa, Don't want to see Pittsburgh win again, Anaheim is meh. Guess I'll just root for Subban in Nashville...
Yeah, i guess Nashville winning the Cup would be the most exciting thing possible now, so i will probably keep an eye on them. But yeah, playoff hype is all gone. Bleh.
Man, this was a fun year. Not only tons of experience for the young Oilers, but it made the path to improvement pretty clear to management. Heartbroken, but not upset at all. It's not like the window is closing - it's just beginning to open.
Congrats to the Ducks - hate, hate, hate them, but they played a great game and didn't leave the Oilers any clean air. Now it's time to bandwagon Nashville =)
“This will take some time to get over,” Connor McDavid said. “Come next season, we’ll find ourselves in a similar spot, and we’ll be able to look back on this and feel this disappointment and know what it’s like.”
“I’m just going to talk about our team,” McDavid said when asked about his performance. “We gave it everything we had and came up a little bit short.”
“You look at any team that has won and been good for all these years, they start with disappointment,” McDavid said. “We’ve done that and we took a huge step forward.”
“If we told you we would have taken the Ducks 7 in the second series in September, I don’t think anyone would have believed us for a second,” McDavid said. “We believe in this group. We’ll be back.”
Had a feeling Ovechkin was playing hurt. Kadri fucked his knee up with that low hit and he was taking pain numbing injections.
I think Nashville is gonna walk over Anaheim in 5. The defense of the Preds is by far the best left in the playoffs and the best goalie right now is Renne. Anaheims "playoff style hockey" + Show Spoiler +
aka they take alot of penalties in the regular season yet somehow are by the book in the playoffs despite changing nothing
isn't going to be nearly as effective against Nashville. And in the highly unlikely event they do take a penalty, Nashville's power play will eviscerate them.
I want the Senators to win. I really do. I don't think they can though.
I don't really cheer for any team but for some reason I just dislike the Ducks. I don't hate them or anything, just a feeling of dislike. Like a bad burger or something.
I hope Nashville smokes them.
Sens vs Pens are a bit whatever who wins - I hope for an enjoyable series and that Karlsson's and Crosby's health doesn't get worse during that series.
Last year Pens were unstoppable entering offseason. It was quite fair they won the cup. This year they are not even close to that same form while i dont think Ott can stop them. So i do hope Smashville gets it. Damn Capitals.
On May 12 2017 00:51 JimmiC wrote: Come on NAshville Ott final. Watch bettman go into a deep depression as t.v. numbers hit an all time low!
Nashville is the target for the finals by the NHL.
They have tonne of country music super stars at games and the most recognizable names in music singing the anthem each night. The nightmare was Edmonton/Ottawa.
Wow....Eberle is taking a shit kicking from the fans and media. I'm not gonna defend his lack of production in the postseason but one bad playoffs does not suddenly make you a terrible player who needs to be traded asap.
I think alot of people are over reacting. Since his rookie year he has posted 25+ goals in every season (lockout season was 16 with 28 in AHL during it) except this one. He got 20. In his first playoff appearance he didn't do so hot. Most players don't and the deck was stacked against him play playing 7 games vs Getzlaf, a player that if ANA goes all the way is a shoe in for the Conn Smyth. This guy should not be given up on so quickly.
On May 14 2017 06:04 Orcasgt24 wrote: Wow....Eberle is taking a shit kicking from the fans and media. I'm not gonna defend his lack of production in the postseason but one bad playoffs does not suddenly make you a terrible player who needs to be traded asap.
Yeah, Eberle had a pretty off year
I'm going to throw a couple charts up here and go from there:
Now point your eyes at the Sh% columns. Holy sweet jeebus fuck. There is snake-bitten, and then there is Jordan Eberle circa 2016-2017. Here is the full page and it is worth looking at: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1342
Anyone who argues the uselessness of Jordan Eberle without including the context of his Sh% is missing a big piece of the story. You can certainly back up the 'off year' narrative using these regular season numbers - numbers that saw his powerplay Sh%, for example, go from 17.5% a season ago to fucking 8.8% this year. Hell.
And this fit what the eye saw this season as well - at times it seemed like Eberle was never going to score, ever again in his life given the unreal saves that went against him and the complete lack of anything even resembling the smallest amount of luck in his favour. He was consistently creating chances and getting good looks - but just nothing was going his way.
Buuuuuuuuut....
Now we have to address the issue of Jordan Eberle, the playoff performer. Even without scoring, we saw his ability to generate offense in the regular season. The points weren't coming but you kind of knew they would. Eventually. He was still doing those Jordan Eberle things. You can't make that argument in regards to how he played in the playoffs. He was completely invisible.
Eberle is, and always has been a very one-dimensional player. It's allowed because his one dimension, producing offense, is the most important dimension in hockey. The downside though, is that when Eberle isn't producing, he brings nothing else. In fact, it's a net negative. It's not like RNH - who can go weeks without scoring but still bring value to every shift. RNH was, in my opinion, the MVP of the San Jose series. Eberle doesn't have that in his game, so he needs to score.
And he will score. But maybe not in the playoffs. Ever. Perhaps it's a symptom of the tighter checking in the playoffs or, specifically, the nature of the teams that Edmonton encountered in the first two rounds, but Eberle was rendered completely ineffective. He has never been a fast player, or a strong player, but the nature of the playoffs truly exposed these weaknesses. He lacked either the strength or the speed (or both) to create any separation for himself at any point in any game ever. There was just no clean air and it was horribly obvious that he could do nothing about it.
And that's what sucks. There is no doubt his Sh% will recover and he will score again. But he remains, right now, a player who has not shown that he can score in the playoffs. And he, as a one-dimensional player, needs to score. And Edmonton, as a team that wants to challenge for Stanley Cups in the McDavid era, needs players who can provide value in difficult playoff situations. Unfortunately, it is completely justified if they are doubting Eberle's ability to be one of those guys.
FWIW, I love Eberle and I hope they keep him and find a situation that works for him and the team. But the Oilers always sell low so I'm sure they'll trade him for a 5th round pick and retain salary so wtf do I know fuck it.
On May 17 2017 03:02 Flaccid wrote: And he will score. But maybe not in the playoffs. Ever. Perhaps it's a symptom of the tighter checking in the playoffs or, specifically, the nature of the teams that Edmonton encountered in the first two rounds, but Eberle was rendered completely ineffective. He has never been a fast player, or a strong player, but the nature of the playoffs truly exposed these weaknesses. He lacked either the strength or the speed (or both) to create any separation for himself at any point in any game ever. There was just no clean air and it was horribly obvious that he could do nothing about it.
He has 13 games of playoff experience. I'm not willing to write him off on that just yet. The lack of rule enforcement during the playoffs is definitely a hindrance to a guy who draws an average of 1 penalty per game and gains almost no benefit from the 0.4 penalties per game he takes during the regular season though.
He's know things in his game need to change. You could get that much out of him in his pre and post game interviews and again from his exit interview. I believe next year a different Jordan Eberle shows up to camp and plays for us.
Edit, on his shooting percentages. Those don't indicate the 7 times he hit the post and one time he hit the crossbar ( multi way tie for ninth league wide in posts and a few hundred way tie for 42nd in crossbars). He did 4 of those during that long goalless drought
I'll be honest, if I was Marc Andre Fleury I'd no show the game. He gets hung out to dry by the team in one period and loses the starter job. Thats terrible by Pittsburgh.
dunno guys, to me MAF wasn't all that impressive this offseason and was basically lucky to face teams throwing a lot of easy pucks at him. Oh and lol remember the HUGE save everyone was talking about? This is definitely skill. Murray potentially is much more skilled and consistent so if Pitt wants to get the cup its a safer choice.
On May 14 2017 06:04 Orcasgt24 wrote: Wow....Eberle is taking a shit kicking from the fans and media. I'm not gonna defend his lack of production in the postseason but one bad playoffs does not suddenly make you a terrible player who needs to be traded asap.
Yeah, Eberle had a pretty off year
I'm going to throw a couple charts up here and go from there:
Now point your eyes at the Sh% columns. Holy sweet jeebus fuck. There is snake-bitten, and then there is Jordan Eberle circa 2016-2017. Here is the full page and it is worth looking at: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1342
Anyone who argues the uselessness of Jordan Eberle without including the context of his Sh% is missing a big piece of the story. You can certainly back up the 'off year' narrative using these regular season numbers - numbers that saw his powerplay Sh%, for example, go from 17.5% a season ago to fucking 8.8% this year. Hell.
And this fit what the eye saw this season as well - at times it seemed like Eberle was never going to score, ever again in his life given the unreal saves that went against him and the complete lack of anything even resembling the smallest amount of luck in his favour. He was consistently creating chances and getting good looks - but just nothing was going his way.
Buuuuuuuuut....
Now we have to address the issue of Jordan Eberle, the playoff performer. Even without scoring, we saw his ability to generate offense in the regular season. The points weren't coming but you kind of knew they would. Eventually. He was still doing those Jordan Eberle things. You can't make that argument in regards to how he played in the playoffs. He was completely invisible.
Eberle is, and always has been a very one-dimensional player. It's allowed because his one dimension, producing offense, is the most important dimension in hockey. The downside though, is that when Eberle isn't producing, he brings nothing else. In fact, it's a net negative. It's not like RNH - who can go weeks without scoring but still bring value to every shift. RNH was, in my opinion, the MVP of the San Jose series. Eberle doesn't have that in his game, so he needs to score.
And he will score. But maybe not in the playoffs. Ever. Perhaps it's a symptom of the tighter checking in the playoffs or, specifically, the nature of the teams that Edmonton encountered in the first two rounds, but Eberle was rendered completely ineffective. He has never been a fast player, or a strong player, but the nature of the playoffs truly exposed these weaknesses. He lacked either the strength or the speed (or both) to create any separation for himself at any point in any game ever. There was just no clean air and it was horribly obvious that he could do nothing about it.
And that's what sucks. There is no doubt his Sh% will recover and he will score again. But he remains, right now, a player who has not shown that he can score in the playoffs. And he, as a one-dimensional player, needs to score. And Edmonton, as a team that wants to challenge for Stanley Cups in the McDavid era, needs players who can provide value in difficult playoff situations. Unfortunately, it is completely justified if they are doubting Eberle's ability to be one of those guys.
FWIW, I love Eberle and I hope they keep him and find a situation that works for him and the team. But the Oilers always sell low so I'm sure they'll trade him for a 5th round pick and retain salary so wtf do I know fuck it.
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this tattoo rules
I've been loving this Ducks-Preds series. Sucks that RyJo is out for the playoffs. Acute compartment syndrome from taking a knee to the thigh that didn't seem all that hard tbh. But that can be really dangerous.
Nashville's C depth really drops off after him. They still have a goddamn crazy blueline though
On May 23 2017 13:39 QuanticHawk wrote: fuk ya pk and nashville
Fuck yeah indeed. Stupid ducks. I knew their ignore the rules approach to to games would not be an asset against Nashville like it was against in Edmonton
On May 24 2017 13:49 Orcasgt24 wrote: Sens force Game 7!
this is ridiculous. I haven't seen games unfortunately, can someone knowledgable sum up, how is it possible for Ott to win 3 from Pens? All i heard is "impenetrable defense" which is funny when you have 7-0 games. Is this due to Pens missing some players in the roster?
lol Pens always seem to find that one missing element to pass through. Its like an endless source of talent. I'm happy with the finals though. Both teams are fast and offensive, should produce nice games.
On May 30 2017 08:01 JimmiC wrote: I'm gonna go with Nash in 6!
I'm going with Pitt in 5 now that I have seen how the series will be reffed. That "offside" was more inside than any goal allowed on previous challenges that stood this playoffs and then the refs gift Pitt a full 2 min 2 man advantage while ignore Crosby's penalty on the exact same play.
James Kneel took a cross check right in front of Murray and used that as an excuse to accidently on purpose drive a knee into Murray's head not a second after they scored.
I can't imagine this not being an NHL record. Pittsburgh has scored 2 goals on there last two shots. Those two shots were 37 minutes apart.
Pekka has been stellar these past 2 games, but that D has been lights out all playoffs in all 3 areas of the ice. The guys they have all compliment each other's playstyle really well
On June 07 2017 09:37 QuanticHawk wrote: Pekka has been stellar these past 2 games, but that D has been lights out all playoffs in all 3 areas of the ice. The guys they have all compliment each other's playstyle really well
yeah especially PK and his trash talking the final series are really fun to watch though. Great hockey from both teams. I just hope refs stop fucking this up.
On June 07 2017 17:50 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: i'm not buying this Fleury thing though. He wasn't impressive. And we all know he is not consistent.
Idk, last year he carried them into the playoffs. This year he carried them for a couple of rounds in the playoffs. I understand Murray is the guy they want to keep and that Fleury will most probably end up in Vegas but I can recognize a dick move when I see one. Luckily Fleury is the ultimate good guy and wont stir shit in the locker room.
He is no Rinne but he is good enough to win with imo. That being said, I really wish the preds won this year.
its also funny how the score of each game except game 1 is ridiculously in favour of one team 4-1 5-1 4-1 6-0 its like goalies are shit, which is not the case pekka got pulled second time Murray gets shutout. No way in hell MAF is getting into the net this season. Game 6 is going to be electric, and OMG please oh please let it go to game 7
On June 12 2017 22:47 JimmiC wrote: As for mvp where else would it go? It probably
Evgeni Malkin who had 10 goals, 18 assists for 28 points, 1 more than Crosby and NHL scoring leader in the post season, +5 more than Crosby too. Jake Guentzel who lead the playoffs in goals of which 5 (also the lead) were game winners. Rookie record in both aswell I believe.
I assume you're talking about the rest of the Penguins franchise - all of whom were dragged, kicking and screaming, to the promised land by the raw, undeniable talents of one Justin Schultz.
On June 13 2017 08:15 Flaccid wrote: I assume you're talking about the rest of the Penguins franchise - all of whom were dragged, kicking and screaming, to the promised land by the raw, undeniable talents of one Justin Schultz.
I want what you're smoking in pill form please lol
On July 05 2016 06:56 Orcasgt24 wrote: TIme for a new thread! Pittsburg won the worlds greatest trophy and they are looking to repeat. -> done.
With Las Vegas announced as an expansion franchise and the expansion draft occurring June 21st, 2017, teams are going to into full draft dodge mode. Money is being burned on players not worthy of it, contract length is insane and trades make no sense. All in an effort to use the protected status on the good players and leave these god awful shit contracts exposed to drafting.
So, who do you think will be a Las Vegas Golden Knights by the start of 2018?
I'm not a big fan of Sergachev so im super happy with this deal. I've seen about 70 games of Sergachev and his defensive IQ is questionable, it takes him way too long to make plays.. his decision making is just super slow. He won't get those extra 2-3 seconds that he needs to make a play in the NHL, that's gonna hurt him a lot imo.
If Sergachev turns into a legit top pairing dman then i'll give the edge to Tampa (because dmen are worth more than wingers).. but Drouin is already a legit 1st liner in my eyes and he still has a ton of untapped potential. Like i said i'm not even sure how well Sergachev can transfer over his play-style to the NHL, he still needs to work a ton on his game.
On June 16 2017 08:52 xDaunt wrote: That's the kind of trade that can get a GM fired.
most people seem to think Sergachev is at worst a lock for a top 4 dman. This was a product of the cap situation. As mentioned above, Kucherov was getting that 3rd monster contract. Johnson and Palat are gonna command big hunks of money too
Don't be surprised if Galchenyuk for Brodin ends up happening. Montreal needs a defensive LD (who can skate well) that can play with Weber, Minny can't protect all their dmen so they're probably gonna move 1 (most think it'll be Dumba but we don't need him, certainly not for Galchenyuk). Galchenyuk is also born in Milwaukee.
That said i'm not a big fan of Galchenyuk either . He's a puck hog who's garbage defensively, i really hope he gets moved.
he's a perfect example of what good player usage can do to someone. Though Edmonton had no choice but to put him vs top opponents during his time there
On June 23 2017 01:36 Orcasgt24 wrote: Jordan Eberle to the Islanders and Ryan Strome to the Oilers. The fans get what they want and trade Eberle for next to nothing.
I was hoping PC was smater than us but guess not.
Also, the Oilers are getting absolutely cleaned out in trades since he took over.
They did that with Schultz too, it's funny cus Eberle is gonna put up 70 points with Tavares. He's the best winger he's ever had :D
On June 23 2017 01:36 Orcasgt24 wrote: Jordan Eberle to the Islanders and Ryan Strome to the Oilers. The fans get what they want and trade Eberle for next to nothing.
I was hoping PC was smater than us but guess not.
Also, the Oilers are getting absolutely cleaned out in trades since he took over.
They did that with Schultz too, it's funny cus Eberle is gonna put up 70 points with Tavares. He's the best winger he's ever had :D
In fairness, Justin Schultz was garbage here.
But yeah, Jordan Eberle iss going to have a career year and this will probably help them resign John Tavares
On June 23 2017 02:50 TT1 wrote: Still waiting for us to trade Galchenyuk for someone who can play with Weber.. my guess is Brodin.
You guys picked up schemlko from vegas for a 5th. Good pick up hes a ok 4 and great 5 or 6 IMO
Yea SJ fans are mad so i guess that's a good sign , Schlemko has good advanced stats. We lost Emelin and Beaulieu who are 3rd pair guys so we had to replace them with someone. Looks like Schlemko will be a lock to play on our 3rd pair with either Davidson or Benn.
it will be green and a pick because montreal is ran by dummies
tbh, if Montreal weren't bad and gonna pay out the nose, Green's still a solid top 4 guy, and would have be a good option if he wasn't facing the top line and getting hemmed in his own zone all night on a bad team
On June 24 2017 01:31 TT1 wrote: LMFAO Chicago, horrible just horrible. Both trades were bad, the Saad deal has Toews and Kane's fingerprints all over it.
Why do you say that? You think they didn't like the Russian guy piling on points or something?
On June 24 2017 01:31 TT1 wrote: LMFAO Chicago, horrible just horrible. Both trades were bad, the Saad deal has Toews and Kane's fingerprints all over it.
Why do you say that? You think they didn't like the Russian guy piling on points or something?
I think just copy the sharelink and it auto embeds
That rangers deal makes no sense. They have 1.5 real centers now. Hayes and miller are not NHL centers. Rangers are in win now and all in on hank til he totally breaks. Not sure how this helps that and it is still butt value even if another trade follows
On June 24 2017 03:00 TT1 wrote: At 7 NYR can end up with one of the elite prospects tho:
1. Nico Hischier 2. Nolan Patrick 3. Gab Vilardi 4. Miro Heiskanen 5. Cody Glass 6. Elias Pettersson 7. Cale Makar
I follow prospects quite a bit, those 7 guys are in their own tier. Even Tippett and Necas are very good players (i have them at 8/9).
they can possibly, but I think it's safe to say none of those guys are slam dunks in the line of Matthews or McDavid. And more than likely, even if they turn out to be studs, it isn't happening in the next couple of years.
The Rangers window is basically now. Hank had a down year but is still a solid starter and I think he'll bounce bak, and even beyond that they have a good forward corps + McDonagh. THey really need a top tier forward, and they need a real 2nd pairing dman or 2.
this trade basically guts their C depth with no immediate replacement, and gets them back a D prospect who may or may not be good, most likely isn't NHL ready, and is at risk to get suspended for being a racist again or hitting a ref again
On June 25 2017 03:07 JimmiC wrote: Pretty psyched for the battle of Alberta next year. I could see those 2 fighting for pacific glory. Kings may was well rebuild I don't see a world where they make it out.
For the last 6-8 years the Western Conference championship was always played in California at some point. I think Alberta may become the new consistent battle ground for that championship. Exciting times
can't talk about the battle of Alberta without linking this:
Dave Brown looks like such a crazy motherfucker.
Calgary has a great dline, but I prefer Nashville's personally. Hamonic's contract is great though.
I do hope the Battle of Alberta becomes a real series again. However, I am really not crazy about the Eberle trade and Edmonton's purging of their skilled wingers and signing Russell. But McDavid and Draistl down the middle can fix a lot of shit. The Nuge as a 3C is pretty rad too
I do hope the Battle of Alberta becomes a real series again. However, I am really not crazy about the Eberle trade and Edmonton's purging of their skilled wingers and signing Russell. But McDavid and Draistl down the middle can fix a lot of shit. The Nuge as a 3C is pretty rad too
I'm not a fan of the Eberle trade either. It's less bad than the Hall one but still bad. At least Tavares and Eberle will only obliterate us twice a year.
EDM Center depth is sick good. Nuge minus 1.25 million off his contact would be perfect. If we could get him another forward whose great defensively an old school third line as a checking line thing would be doable. Would probably murder his point production but that's ok. At that point he's paid to not get scored on vs top team lines.
Russel isn't bad. He's just ok. Decent on good days. Not worth 4yrs x $4mill though and way not worth losing Eberle just to have space for him.
Hamonic is available so let's sign replacement-level Russel because he tries really hard. Fucking Oilers are going to ice a worse roster next year to force McDavid to try a harder difficulty level.
I do hope the Battle of Alberta becomes a real series again. However, I am really not crazy about the Eberle trade and Edmonton's purging of their skilled wingers and signing Russell. But McDavid and Draistl down the middle can fix a lot of shit. The Nuge as a 3C is pretty rad too
I'm not a fan of the Eberle trade either. It's less bad than the Hall one but still bad. At least Tavares and Eberle will only obliterate us twice a year.
EDM Center depth is sick good. Nuge minus 1.25 million off his contact would be perfect. If we could get him another forward whose great defensively an old school third line as a checking line thing would be doable. Would probably murder his point production but that's ok. At that point he's paid to not get scored on vs top team lines.
Russel isn't bad. He's just ok. Decent on good days. Not worth 4yrs x $4mill though and way not worth losing Eberle just to have space for him.
I have no idea how Edmonton is gonna be able to fit Draisaitl + McDavid + RNH under their cap in 2 seasons. Draisaitl is gonna get 7M minimum imo, McDavid asked for 14M.. he'll probably get 11 or 12M. RNH gets 6M, thats about 25M for just 3 players alone..
Right now they have 12.4M left and thats without resigning Draisaitl + McDavid. I honestly think RNH is the next to go, if they plan on playing him @ 3C it doesn't make sense to keep him, he's too expensive.
That's another reason why the Russell deal is terrible. We have to go the Chi route and have a yearly rotating cast of cheaper players/prospects to fill out lines 3 and 4 and d pairing 2 and 3.
McDavid isn't getting more than Kane or Taves or Crosby. Not yet anyways. Drai likely aint getting 7+ either. Yet. I expect Draisaitl to get a short term deal in the 5 - 6m range. He needs to prove he can be a top 10 scorer without McDavid if he wants that kinda money.
McDavid should pull an Ovie and fire his agent. Doesn't need that guy taking his money. His contracts basically write themselves so no need to pay someone for that lol
On June 25 2017 13:30 JimmiC wrote: Someone like Car or NJ or even vegas should offer sheet Draisaitl at 9 million. Either they get him or the oilers match and then there cap situation is really bunged up.
Probably will on July 1 honestly. Until that time they cannot So EDM needs to get to work on him asap
Yeah the only reason for a trade like that to happen is Methot himself saying that there would be no way he would play in vegas and then being dumped to the best offer available....
Can't see value behind this one for LV. Worse, most trades made after the 30 selections were done (it seems) in a way to kill any chance for the next 2 seasons and have the kids grow for a while....
On June 29 2017 00:12 JimmiC wrote: reporting mcdavid to sign 8 years 13.25 per. Which is a shit ton but apparently in line with % of cap that crosby, ovi and so on signed for. So as long as the cap rises the oilers may be ok. But there will be a couple of tight years. Offer sheting draisital actually makes tons of sense.
Fuck I hope not.
Where did you hear that? Edit: did some googling. Im less scared after reading some but I still don't think any NHL players worth 13.25 million a year.
I really hope Draisital has an agreement in place with the Oilers already and they are just waiting for McDavid contract to sign at the same time.
On June 29 2017 08:10 JimmiC wrote: Sekara and russell are pretty awful 2
Yep. Spending 9.5 million on what should be our #4 and #5 defenceman is insanity. And until 20-21...
Our entire defence save Nurse (ELC) is all making 4 mill+ and none of them are even in top 50 consideration for the position. Nurse will obviously be getting a raise to at the very least 5 million a year based solely on our teams contracts after next year....
Bye Bye RNH.
There's some good news on the cap front though. Remember Lauri Korpikoski? His buyout comes off the books after next year and Mark Fayne's 3.6 million deal we buried expires as well.
So, examining EDM's cap space and current roster of signed players, We have 21/23 players already signed and have just under 19 million a year in cap space. Drasitial is one of those players and even if he gets $9m a year offer sheet, we have 10 million in space for one other guy.
That's not that bad honestly.
Next year, assuming a static salary cap and McDavid making 13.25m and Drai making 9m we have 65ish million spread out over 12 players. Now those 12 players are 5 of 6 D, Talbot, 6 forwards and 1 one buyout. It will be workable since we have a few ELC players making too much and Strome, who unless he goes off this year will get a pay cut.
By no means is the situation ideal but it is workable. Might not even need to trade Nuge
I honestly forgot Nuge is already at 6m per. He will most likely not even get that in 3 years. But him and Lucic making that, something will have to give eventually.
The issue is when you're paying 2 of your centers 13.25M and 9M (assuming Draisaitl plays center behind McDavid.. which he will if he's getting 9M a season) it's not very wise to pay your 3C 6M a season. RNH becomes expendable at that point, doesn't make much sense to pay him 6M just to have him play behind Draisaitl and McDavid.
horrible deal for Caps with Kuzy. Way too expensive. How the fuck is he $62mln and TJ $46mln? (i understand its C and RW, but that's as not important in the big picture) TJ is x times better player, no doubt. Can't believe they blew their budget for this. Nice deal with Orlov tho.
Dallas basically trades Hemsky to Montreal for Radulov. Thought that was funny that those two deals are announced within minutes of each other on my phone alerts
5 years is too much for Radulov. The guy has 1 decent season. I like the Hemsky contract. Hopefully that means that Galchenyuk will stay and probably Markov, too.
Hemsky is good value but he has been declining sharply and is always injured. Still it is zero risk
Habs really could have used Radulovs offense but that term would have been dumb. They already have a ton commutes to price (worth it) and Weber (will be an anchor very soon)
Still think they'll have a hard time reaching playoffs with this crew even in a shitty division. They gutted their d don't score a lot and suck down the middle regardless of whether or not Gally is a real center
What an awesome day. Anything less than league max on a contract for McDavid is a huge win for the team. Even if it had ended up being $14M, pay the man. Using that money for anything other than McDavid would make the team worse. It's McDavid, ffs.
All $12.5M buys you is 2.4 David Clarksons or 2 Patrick Marleaus. I'll take McDavid, thank you very much. The idea that McDavid is worth anything less than the league max is hilarious. Huge win for the Oilers. They get to have the best player in hockey for pretty much the next decade. Small price to pay.
edit: That said the Oilers are going to ice a worse team than last season because they want to save money on their top players in order to overpay replacement level depth players. ffs.
On August 17 2017 01:34 JimmiC wrote: Brilliant by kessel to turn that silly negative story into basically into his branding. You know at some point he's going to making bank from oscar meyer.
hahaha yeah, pretty sure he starts hot dog franchise even before he retires from NHL. What a lucky bastard.
On August 17 2017 04:19 JimmiC wrote: Draisaitl 8.5 mill per for 8 years 68 million total. If I was an oilers fan I'd be glad he was signed but that is a pretty steep price. Inflation is a bitch.
so now Oilers have 10 forwards below 2mln and one of them is going from 1mln to 12.5 next season. It will be very hard for them to balance their roster 1 year from now.
McDavid and Draisaitl won't be the reason they can't fill out a roster. That reason is named Milan Lucic. Oh and Kris Russell. Teams typically get into cap hell by overpaying replacement level players, not by hanging onto their top end talent. Chiarelli has experience doing that in Boston.
Anchooorrrrrs awaaaaaayyyyy
edit: It would have been nice to see Draisaitl run his own line for more than 20 seconds before backing up the garbage truck full of money, but it beats losing him. They're paying for potential, but even if he hits the low end of his projected ability (based on his consistent progression), he can outperform that contract.
edit2: I guess the window for the Oilers to try and win a cup starts now. Sucks because they are still one Cam Talbot groin-pull away from another high draft pick, lol.
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