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On February 19 2016 17:49 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 17:31 Dingodile wrote:On February 19 2016 06:59 smr wrote:
Best european league of the world: 0 victories in 4 games. england is really in danger at 5 year ranking. 4th Italy is very close now. Depends, Italy 2Draw 1Loss last night and England 1Loss 2Draw so we outscored them last night. In champions league we also 1Loss each so same points, with Juve vs Bayern and City and Arsenal still to play we should comfortably outscore Italy this year unless Pep really shits the bed with Bayern now xd
Actually Italy outscored England because their two points get divided by 6 teams this year, your 2 points by 8 teams. And the real problem will come next year because you are currently ahead ~3 points, but the season that will drop from the ranking will be ~4 points.
That said rest of the CL looks okay for the Premier League because at least City should advance, but next season the best league in the world might actually have to deliver or lose a spot =)
Edit: Just finished this and remembered that your hopes will rest on Leicester, Tottenham, Arsenal and City... AHAHAH DOOOM
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I don't know where you check your ranking but just in case you are seeing somewhere different, you have an awesome site for it:
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2016.html
The battle for the 3rd spot is nice, but the battle for the 5th place is on fire with France, Portugal and Russia all within 1 point.
in the meantime: Team of the week for CL
![[image loading]](http://www.uefa.com/img/apps/Articles/Infographics/UCLTOTWMD7.jpg)
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Makes perfect sense and no bias at all. Chelsea loses to PSG. Gets 2 players in team of the week, while PSG gets 1.
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I'd take that with a grain of salt, we all know Cahill>Silva :p
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On February 19 2016 21:40 Skynx wrote:
I'd take that with a grain of salt, we all know Cahill>Silva :p
In that game for sure, Silva was very very poor. Couldn't jump more than 1foot off the ground and lost Costa everytime in the box. Defensively PSG were way weaker than Chelsea. Cahill and Ivanovic were putting bodies on the line in their tackling and PSG clearly not.
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On February 19 2016 22:29 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 21:40 Skynx wrote:
I'd take that with a grain of salt, we all know Cahill>Silva :p In that game for sure, Silva was very very poor. Couldn't jump more than 1foot off the ground and lost Costa everytime in the box. Defensively PSG were way weaker than Chelsea. Cahill and Ivanovic were putting bodies on the line in their tackling and PSG clearly not.
But only let it in 1 goal to Chelsea's 2. Silva had an ok game but it was by no means miserable. if your putting bodies on the line in your tackling that means you probably werent in the right spot to begin with. Or someone else wasnt. Either way having to do that is a byproduct of bad defending :p
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On February 19 2016 22:38 Pandemona wrote:It's defending too 100% of your ability. Diving to block a shot is diving to block a shot, a shot can come from anywhere on the pitch regardless of "marking". What you say is right but if a cross or pass happens and its deflected onto its path and then you block said shot is that bad defending? No i think not. Yes and Trapp is in the team of the week because it was only 1 goal let in 
Not sure what game you were watching, but in the match I saw, PSG hardly needed to defend at all in the second half.
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Since you guys are talking about UEFA club points I have a question that I could probablly google but feel the need to ask you instead. Do the individual legs of knock out games score points or is it just the result as a whole that counts. If you lose one leg badly having won the other leg is that the same as just losing both games?
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I don't see the problem. When one team wins the other team could still have two players that were better than any on their team, right?
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On February 19 2016 22:54 Greg_J wrote:
Since you guys are talking about UEFA club points I have a question that I could probablly google but feel the need to ask you instead. Do the individual legs of knock out games score points or is it just the result as a whole that counts. If you lose one leg badly having won the other leg is that the same as just losing both games?
2 points for a win, 1 point draw, halfed in the qualification
So no, if you lose 1st leg 0-15 and win 2nd 1-0 both teams get 2 points, but if it's the KO rounds of the CL or deep in the EL the team that advances would get a bonus point.
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Thanks.
It is a genuine issue that the English clubs don't give a shit about Europe unless they are in the Champions League yet Europa League points really can make a difference. It looks highly likely Italy will overtake England this year unless one of the English clubs goes on an unlikely run in the Champions League. It ain't going to be Aresnal, Chelsea have a less than 50% chance of making the next round in my book and City are gloriously unreliable. Even against a team who haven't played a game for a couple of months I'd give them a fair chance of going out.
Reading about the points bought me to the shocking realisation that both Southampton and West Ham where at some point involved with European football earlyier this season and did spectacularly badly. They really didn't help the English cause.
Also Midtjylland on course to knock two Premier Leagues out of Europe, good for them.
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On February 19 2016 23:22 Greg_J wrote:
Thanks.
It is a genuine issue that the English clubs don't give a shit about Europe unless they are in the Champions League yet Europa League points really can make a difference. It looks highly likely Italy will overtake England this year unless one of the English clubs goes on an unlikely run in the Champions League. It ain't going to be Aresnal, Chelsea have a less than 50% chance of making the next round in my book and City are gloriously unreliable. Even against a team who haven't played a game for a couple of months I'd give them a fair chance of going out.
Reading about the points bought me to the shocking realisation that both Southampton and West Ham where at some point involved with European football earlyier this season and did spectacularly badly. They really didn't help the English cause.
Also Midtjylland on course to knock two Premier Leagues out of Europe, good for them.
Given the current matchups Italy won't pass England this year. The gap is too large for that and while Arsenal and Chelsea look like they will go out, Juventus certainly isn't the favourite either.
However for the next two seasons England will lose several points per season that falls out and will really need to outperform Italy to stay ahead and that with United and Chelsea replaced by Tottenham and Leicester.
Oh and Sunderland and West Ham are exactly the problem, because apart from having won almost no points for the Premier league, the final points tally is divided by the number of participating teams. So West Ham that got in because of the fair play ranking is really going to hurt,
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Spain teams yesterday in Europe League 11:0 xD
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On February 19 2016 23:30 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 23:22 Greg_J wrote:
Thanks.
It is a genuine issue that the English clubs don't give a shit about Europe unless they are in the Champions League yet Europa League points really can make a difference. It looks highly likely Italy will overtake England this year unless one of the English clubs goes on an unlikely run in the Champions League. It ain't going to be Aresnal, Chelsea have a less than 50% chance of making the next round in my book and City are gloriously unreliable. Even against a team who haven't played a game for a couple of months I'd give them a fair chance of going out.
Reading about the points bought me to the shocking realisation that both Southampton and West Ham where at some point involved with European football earlyier this season and did spectacularly badly. They really didn't help the English cause.
Also Midtjylland on course to knock two Premier Leagues out of Europe, good for them. Given the current matchups Italy won't pass England this year. The gap is too large for that and while Arsenal and Chelsea look like they will go out, Juventus certainly isn't the favourite either. However for the next two seasons England will lose several points per season that falls out and will really need to outperform Italy to stay ahead and that with United and Chelsea replaced by Tottenham and Leicester. Oh and Sunderland and West Ham are exactly the problem, because apart from having won almost no points for the Premier league, the final points tally is divided by the number of participating teams. So West Ham that got in because of the fair play ranking is really going to hurt,
NL has the same problem with Go Ahead Eagles winning the fair play award. It's retarded that bonus spots like that can actually hurt the country. If UEFA wants to give those bonus spots, they should be desirable. I fully expect leagues to pit pressure on bad clubs who are "at risk" of winning the fair play awards to commit more fouls (or just on the referees to give them more cards) because of this stupid system.
Oh, this is by no means me trying to excuse Holland's utterly miserable performance in Europe for the last few years.
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I didn't even remeber Southampton or West Ham where in Europe untill I started reading the points.
Spurs look like a well built team and thier young enough to be a threat for the future. They are never going to win the Champions League but they have to be better than United at the moment. But asuming that's an upgrade who knows whats going to happen for Leicester next season. They might collapse at any point (even this season) or they might just keep going. But they probablly don't have the depth to be much of a threat in Europe to be honest and losing Chelsea from the Champions League has to be a loss for England because they just seem to do consistently well in Europe.
By they way English fans genrally don't think like this at all. The normal pattern of behaviour is to support your club and hope all the other English clubs lose. Is that similar across the rest of europe? Do Dortmand fans want Munchen to lose or do they feel a bit of national pride when it comes to Europe.
What about Italy do they want the Italian teams to win or does everyone hate Juventus unless they are from Turin?
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On February 19 2016 23:36 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 23:30 sneirac wrote:On February 19 2016 23:22 Greg_J wrote:
Thanks.
It is a genuine issue that the English clubs don't give a shit about Europe unless they are in the Champions League yet Europa League points really can make a difference. It looks highly likely Italy will overtake England this year unless one of the English clubs goes on an unlikely run in the Champions League. It ain't going to be Aresnal, Chelsea have a less than 50% chance of making the next round in my book and City are gloriously unreliable. Even against a team who haven't played a game for a couple of months I'd give them a fair chance of going out.
Reading about the points bought me to the shocking realisation that both Southampton and West Ham where at some point involved with European football earlyier this season and did spectacularly badly. They really didn't help the English cause.
Also Midtjylland on course to knock two Premier Leagues out of Europe, good for them. Given the current matchups Italy won't pass England this year. The gap is too large for that and while Arsenal and Chelsea look like they will go out, Juventus certainly isn't the favourite either. However for the next two seasons England will lose several points per season that falls out and will really need to outperform Italy to stay ahead and that with United and Chelsea replaced by Tottenham and Leicester. Oh and Sunderland and West Ham are exactly the problem, because apart from having won almost no points for the Premier league, the final points tally is divided by the number of participating teams. So West Ham that got in because of the fair play ranking is really going to hurt, NL has the same problem with Go Ahead Eagles winning the fair play award. It's retarded that bonus spots like that can actually hurt the country. If UEFA wants to give those bonus spots, they should be desirable. I fully expect leagues to pit pressure on bad clubs who are "at risk" of winning the fair play awards to commit more fouls (or just on the referees to give them more cards) because of this stupid system. Oh, this is by no means me trying to excuse Holland's utterly miserable performance in Europe for the last few years.
Yeah the Netherlands are hurt by that too and I'm not sure this will continue on like this. But as with the miserable performance of the Dutch teams, the PL problem is that the Europa league just isn't worth the effort it takes away from league performance.
Going far in Europa league is respected in Germany and the price money you get isn't laughed at either, but who is gonna care about that if you get insane money from the PL TV contract.
They could just reduce the ridiculous load of having two season long cup competitions and FA cup replays and maybe reward Europa league performances with some of that juicy TV money and suddenly West Ham and Sunderland will actually make an effort and not go out against a Kazakh team that is playing the most important matches of their season in the first qualifying round.
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On February 19 2016 23:45 Greg_J wrote:
I didn't even remeber Southampton or West Ham where in Europe untill I started reading the points.
Spurs look like a well built team and thier young enough to be a threat for the future. They are never going to win the Champions League but they have to be better than United at the moment. But asuming that's an upgrade who knows whats going to happen for Leicester next season. They might collapse at any point (even this season) or they might just keep going. But they probablly don't have the depth to be much of a threat in Europe to be honest and losing Chelsea from the Champions League has to be a loss for England because they just seem to do consistently well in Europe.
By they way English fans genrally don't think like this at all. The normal pattern of behaviour is to support your club and hope all the other English clubs lose. Is that similar across the rest of europe? Do Dortmand fans want Munchen to lose or do they feel a bit of national pride when it comes to Europe.
What about Italy do they want the Italian teams to win or does everyone hate Juventus unless they are from Turin?
The only team I dislike of the active German teams is Bayern. And I want them to reach the final or semi-final and get embarassed by Barca, just like last year =)
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By the way anytime the word Sunderland is used in the posts above replace it with Southampton. Not that it makes much difference they where barley around for a game.
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I would find it genuinely quite interesting to hear other nations view points on how people feel about clubs they don't support and perhaps even hate domestically fortunes in European leagues. I imagine the French all hate PSG unless they support them but I don't know that for a fact. Maybe other French clubs fans support them in Europe out of a sense of patriotism. I have no idea really.
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On February 19 2016 23:45 Greg_J wrote:
I didn't even remeber Southampton or West Ham where in Europe untill I started reading the points.
Spurs look like a well built team and thier young enough to be a threat for the future. They are never going to win the Champions League but they have to be better than United at the moment. But asuming that's an upgrade who knows whats going to happen for Leicester next season. They might collapse at any point (even this season) or they might just keep going. But they probablly don't have the depth to be much of a threat in Europe to be honest and losing Chelsea from the Champions League has to be a loss for England because they just seem to do consistently well in Europe.
By they way English fans genrally don't think like this at all. The normal pattern of behaviour is to support your club and hope all the other English clubs lose. Is that similar across the rest of europe? Do Dortmand fans want Munchen to lose or do they feel a bit of national pride when it comes to Europe.
What about Italy do they want the Italian teams to win or does everyone hate Juventus unless they are from Turin?
Actually the Torinos I know all hate Juventus, and cheer for Torino. They say it's the countryside that cheers for Juve.
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On February 19 2016 23:53 Greg_J wrote:
By the way anytime the word Sunderland is used in the posts above replace it with Southampton. Not that it makes much difference they where barley around for a game.
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I would find it genuinely quite interesting to hear other nations view points on how people feel about clubs they don't support and perhaps even hate domestically fortunes in European leagues. I imagine the French all hate PSG unless they support them but I don't know that for a fact. Maybe other French clubs fans support them in Europe out of a sense of patriotism. I have no idea really.
Personally I have the feeling that atleast in Germany most people want the German teams to do well internationally and will usually only cheer against a team if they play another German team.
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