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Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
December 10 2015 03:56 GMT
#4001
On December 10 2015 03:24 Sermokala wrote:
It would be interesting to see mid table England teams against other league mid table teams.

Surely that money has to go somewhere.


There is a weird thing in England right now.

I think everybody would agree that Man U, Chelsea, and even Man City are weaker than they have been over the last decade (sure, maybe Man U bottomed under Moyes, but still these are weak sides for all of them vs their last EPL winning sides).

At the same time certain teams like Stoke and a few others are bringing in quality players that are good enough to start on champions league level clubs in the big 4 leagues. Not saying Bayern, Real, or Barca, but they could find a place on one of the other teams. I think over the next couple of years we may see a rebirth of the premier league. They truly were the best league for a good 8 year or so spell before their teams started falling off. Even Fullham made a European final and Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, and Man U were a constant fixtures deep in the champions league and even in the final.

I think what would be cool is if they would just revamp the continental competitions so that to make the Champions League you either have to make top 3 in champions league group the year before or top 8 in the Europa League. You might end up with a country way over represented in the champions league, but it would make the Europa League have much more significance and it would be cool to see if teams that want to be elite but are held back by not consistently finishing top 4 in their league could flourish if given that extra avenue.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 05:45:42
December 10 2015 05:41 GMT
#4002
On December 10 2015 12:56 Eliezar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 03:24 Sermokala wrote:
It would be interesting to see mid table England teams against other league mid table teams.

Surely that money has to go somewhere.


There is a weird thing in England right now.

I think everybody would agree that Man U, Chelsea, and even Man City are weaker than they have been over the last decade (sure, maybe Man U bottomed under Moyes, but still these are weak sides for all of them vs their last EPL winning sides).

At the same time certain teams like Stoke and a few others are bringing in quality players that are good enough to start on champions league level clubs in the big 4 leagues. Not saying Bayern, Real, or Barca, but they could find a place on one of the other teams. I think over the next couple of years we may see a rebirth of the premier league. They truly were the best league for a good 8 year or so spell before their teams started falling off. Even Fullham made a European final and Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, and Man U were a constant fixtures deep in the champions league and even in the final.

I think what would be cool is if they would just revamp the continental competitions so that to make the Champions League you either have to make top 3 in champions league group the year before or top 8 in the Europa League. You might end up with a country way over represented in the champions league, but it would make the Europa League have much more significance and it would be cool to see if teams that want to be elite but are held back by not consistently finishing top 4 in their league could flourish if given that extra avenue.


That wont work for a number of reasons but the main one would be that alot of these teams that you are talking about can only play well in spurts. The fact that smaller PL clubs have access to talent from the continent does indeed mean that the teams are better. But having to maintain the intensity of playing in Europe and domestically is not something these players can handle. And squad depth is an issue even for the top teams. Middling clubs have to work alot harder than top clubs in all aspects to compete and maintaining that isnt viable.

Thats why mid level teams look amazing one day and super flat the next so you will see your Stokes play City of the pitch but then lose a shitty sloppy game against someone like NewCastle or Norwich and conversely make them look godly.

So yes top English teams are a little weaker and the rest have gotten better in England especially but what your suggesting wont have much impact. Sure with more bites at the cherry and a bit more money some smaller teams might make a run here and there but overall there wont be much difference.

Its not like continental teams in Europe are significantly weaker than mid level teams from the top leagues. Its roughly the same level and some of them with less domestic pressure are able to perform at a higher level.

You wont see a rebirth of the premier league until the top clubs get their act together. The PL didnt become a big deal because Stoke and Leicester city were playing well. It became a big deal because of teams like United in the 90's and later Arsenal aswell. And then ofcourse your oil teams showed up. If you dont have teams dominating as bad as that might sound as far as competition is concerned being competitive is actually worse than having 3-4 teams cemented at the top and consistently expanding brand value through their impressiveness. Thats what makes a big league, competition on its own is pretty useless. You need to wow and win alot one way or another. I mean think about it at the end of the day we have this idea that there are alot of title challengers. but usually by December theres like 2 or at most 3 teams in the mix at best. And there have been a bunch of cakewalks to. Not to different from most other leagues. United had mastered the art of grinding out wins while playing badly. Thats what they need to get.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
December 10 2015 15:45 GMT
#4003
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 10 2015 17:25 GMT
#4004
Major League Soccer announced on Wednesday that it will be investing an additional $37 million in player compensation over the next two years with the goal of “providing clubs the opportunity to sign more impact players in the middle of the roster and add young Homegrown talent,” according to a league statement.

The additional funds, which supplement the current $3.6 million salary budget per team in 2016, come in two forms: $800,000 of Targeted Allocation Money (TAM) in both 2016 and 2017 and $125,000 in extra Homegrown Player funds for each of the next two years.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 10 2015 17:26 GMT
#4005
Why is Miami still not being announced yet TT
Longest running saga in football history that team xD
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NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 14:13:40
December 12 2015 13:09 GMT
#4006
Disaster artistry from Norwich, giving the ball away constantly. Lucky not to be down by more than one.

Better start to the second half for them. 1-1 off a corner.

LOOOOOOL JEROME MISSES AN ABSOLUTE SITTER
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
December 12 2015 13:59 GMT
#4007
1:1 is an unbelievable scoreline after that first half. Norwich were dire. For Norwich to come out and score straight away must have been a huge sucker punch for Everton.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
December 12 2015 14:23 GMT
#4008
On December 11 2015 02:26 Pandemona wrote:
Why is Miami still not being announced yet TT
Longest running saga in football history that team xD


cause they cant even get a stadium site picked out
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
December 12 2015 15:28 GMT
#4009
Easy goal for Man City against Swansea. Bony gets to run onto a corner unmarked and heads in.

In other news. Ighalo has now scored 10 PL-goals this season.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 16:52:36
December 12 2015 16:50 GMT
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 12 2015 16:54 GMT
#4011
3 more points for Crystal Palace
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
December 12 2015 16:56 GMT
#4012
Barça with the throw :/
Revolutionist fan
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
December 12 2015 17:05 GMT
#4013
I was thinking, damn that's a huge group 1 for Euro 2016.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 17:12:37
December 12 2015 17:11 GMT
#4014
On December 13 2015 02:05 Lysteria wrote:
I was thinking, damn that's a huge group 1 for Euro 2016.

Now that would be interesting :D

I miss the Dutch already, it was always the most intriguing rivalry for the German team.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
December 12 2015 17:16 GMT
#4015
that mascot constantly in the background is gonna give people nightmares
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
December 12 2015 17:24 GMT
#4016
Give me a good group!
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
December 12 2015 17:33 GMT
#4017
Fuck yeah Cherries!
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
December 12 2015 17:35 GMT
#4018
lol de gea
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
December 12 2015 17:37 GMT
#4019
Britain wrecking itself, as it is supposed to be!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 12 2015 17:41 GMT
#4020
HAHAH
Wales easyyyy tears :D
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