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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 10 2017 16:37 GMT
#3041
If you are not able to sleep early after flying to the east you have to force yourself to stay awake the whole night and then the complete next day until the night. If you take even a small nap in between it fucks everything up completely and you wont be able to sleep properly despite being tired.
That is at least from my experience with fucked up sleep cycles. Maybe it is different for someone who has an easier time falling asleep.
Off-season = best season
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
January 10 2017 17:29 GMT
#3042
I am expecting my problem will be waking up too early when coming to the US. I think flying back should be less of a problem.

Opinions on 5-HTP? From what I am reading it could be a better choice than Melatonin.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20020 Posts
January 10 2017 17:40 GMT
#3043
Melatonin >>> 5-HTP
https://examine.com/supplements/Melatonin
https://examine.com/supplements/5-HTP/
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
January 10 2017 18:02 GMT
#3044
On January 11 2017 02:40 decafchicken wrote:
Melatonin >>> 5-HTP
https://examine.com/supplements/Melatonin
https://examine.com/supplements/5-HTP/

Alright thanks.

There seem to be conflicting information over here on whether I can buy Melatonin OTC or not. Can't find anything on Amazon so far that's shipped domestically which would suggest I can't.
I guess I could just get a bottle on my first US trip though. Along with the usual stack of OTC drugs ...
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18827 Posts
January 10 2017 18:03 GMT
#3045
Just make sure that keep your sleeping space as dark as possible or else the melatonin won't really work.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
January 11 2017 14:01 GMT
#3046
Back from the US last week(I don't get the whole jet leg thing I feel perfectly fine going to and coming back ? Well I can sleep almost no matter what so maybe that is why).

Second training of 2017 puke mid session felt like crap but I complete all my 2016 goals so that's good

2017 goals :
-80kg BW
-1000lbs
-sub 45min 10K (I did a lot of sub 40 in the past but I weighted 55-58kg back then)
-sub 7min 2K row
-Beat my dad at the Half marathon of my city (I will need around 1h45 he usully goes 1h50)
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 11 2017 18:27 GMT
#3047
On January 11 2017 23:01 Philozovic wrote:
Back from the US last week(I don't get the whole jet leg thing I feel perfectly fine going to and coming back ? Well I can sleep almost no matter what so maybe that is why).

Second training of 2017 puke mid session felt like crap but I complete all my 2016 goals so that's good

2017 goals :
-80kg BW
-1000lbs
-sub 45min 10K (I did a lot of sub 40 in the past but I weighted 55-58kg back then)
-sub 7min 2K row
-Beat my dad at the Half marathon of my city (I will need around 1h45 he usully goes 1h50)


Nice rowing time.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
January 11 2017 20:38 GMT
#3048
Nice 10k also. Sub 40 is insane. And here I am fighting to get my 5k to 22 ...
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-12 00:08:29
January 11 2017 22:48 GMT
#3049
10k with a 1000lb total is indeed insane.

I won cities (1 million+ population) in Grade 9 with a 10:32 at 3k, and my normal run at meets was around 11 minutes, which is just shy of 37 minutes for a 10k if I ran at that pace (never did, but I'd probably run a 38-39min 10k if I extrapolate my 5k). Back then I ran all the time, and weighed like 115lbs at 5'9". Someone who weighs 80kg though, that is nuts.

Also my squats and other strength training have a noticeable impact on my cycling wattage (negative impact). I'm curious to see how you manage that goal with your other goals.

edit: The crude but fairly accurate formula of 2sec/mile/kg of weight being added to a body (after-all, a person who weighs 120lbs vs 180lbs at different points in his life, while being fit in both cases is going to have more or less the same VO2 max, and it's fairly in line with the fact that larger cyclists don't have higher VO2 maxes than smaller ones which can be seen by looking at time trial vs climbing results, and seeing that the time trial cyclists are only like 10-20lbs higher, and generate a couple percentage higher FTP.

So using this formula and comparing his 123lb weight to 176lb weight... That would suggest that if Kenenisa Bekele put on the weight to become like you, while still maintaining fitness, he would run a 10k in over 37 minutes instead of in over 26 minutes. This is the most elite 10k runner with superb genetics and extreme and effective regimen. I'd love to be proven wrong ^^.

edit 2: oh shit, your goal is 45 mins, not 40 minutes. Okay, I take it back, I misread it the first time... That's more realistic.
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Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-12 00:08:36
January 12 2017 00:04 GMT
#3050
On January 12 2017 07:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
10k with a 1000lb total is indeed insane.

I won cities (1 million+ population) in Grade 9 with a 10:32 at 3k, and my normal run at meets was around 11 minutes, which is just shy of 37 minutes for a 10k if I ran at that pace (never did, but I'd probably run a 38-39min 10k if I extrapolate my 5k). Back then I ran all the time, and weighed like 115lbs at 5'9". Someone who weighs 80kg though, that is nuts.

Also my squats and other strength training have a noticeable impact on my cycling wattage (negative impact). I'm curious to see how you manage that goal with your other goals.


No idea if that's possible, we'll see !

Sub 45min seems really more than doable
1000lbs seems a lot harder
INnoVation is the absolute best | I wept for i knew his words to be true
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-12 00:18:35
January 12 2017 00:13 GMT
#3051
On January 12 2017 09:04 Philozovic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2017 07:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
10k with a 1000lb total is indeed insane.

I won cities (1 million+ population) in Grade 9 with a 10:32 at 3k, and my normal run at meets was around 11 minutes, which is just shy of 37 minutes for a 10k if I ran at that pace (never did, but I'd probably run a 38-39min 10k if I extrapolate my 5k). Back then I ran all the time, and weighed like 115lbs at 5'9". Someone who weighs 80kg though, that is nuts.

Also my squats and other strength training have a noticeable impact on my cycling wattage (negative impact). I'm curious to see how you manage that goal with your other goals.


No idea if that's possible, we'll see !

Sub 45min seems really more than doable
1000lbs seems a lot harder


Is that for 1rm?

Yeah, 900lbs 1rm is like chump territory, and 1000lb seems so far away. I feel like that 900lb mark is where most people stall out and really need to figure their bodies out before they make progress. 360 deadlift, 315 squat, and 225 pound bench press all seem fine with several months of hard work (if I see people doing those weights at my gym, I'm like meh, could be bodybuilders, casuals, people with pretty good genes who don't work out... If I see 10-20% higher in any of those weights, I think "these are some hella strong dudes", well maybe not the bench, 275lb+ bench is where it starts to get really impressive to me)... Don't know where you go from here though. Maybe it's just me, since that's the 1rm territory I started to struggle at. Or it could be the MMO effect, where everyone lower level than you is a noob, and everyone higher than you has no life.

Also I edited the post you replied to because I misread your original post.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 12 2017 02:14 GMT
#3052
I honestly have no idea how anyone could total less than 1000 pounds after a year of training.

However, I think it will take me at least a year to be able to Row 2k sub 7:00, if I ever do.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 12 2017 02:57 GMT
#3053
On June 10 2015 08:35 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 18:23 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On June 08 2015 22:37 mordek wrote:
Rowed for 3k for the first time this morning. How do you guys decide on your damper setting? I haven't spent enough time to figure out exactly what it means, it seems to be less intuitive than just a resistance setting.

Also planning to get bigger soon, thanks :D Hit my lowest weight in a while last week.

Go to "more", "Options", "Display drag factor". You should move the damper so that the resistance is approx 115. US heavyweights like to have their dampers all the way up to 135~, but lower back injuries are also much more common. I personally have the damper on 120~. The relationship between the damper & the drag factor depends per machine and changes over time, the only way you will know before your row that you are on the right drag factor is to go through this process. Takes like 20 secs though.


Dude this is awesome thanks. Set the damper to 125 today and rowed 2k in 6:48.8.


Get on my level gotunk. Took me less than a year of rowing as warmup to my real workout.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
January 12 2017 10:44 GMT
#3054
On January 12 2017 11:14 GoTuNk! wrote:
I honestly have no idea how anyone could total less than 1000 pounds after a year of training.

However, I think it will take me at least a year to be able to Row 2k sub 7:00, if I ever do.


I'm so weak
INnoVation is the absolute best | I wept for i knew his words to be true
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-12 11:05:55
January 12 2017 11:05 GMT
#3055
back from xmas!!! managed to run a fair bit here and there (absolute novice level)

sort of got some ambition for this year , finally. i think i'm aiming at doing the Teach in Japan thing, whether it be in a couple months time or in 6 months time

so getting myself in respectable shape for that is going to be my driving force. i suffer a lot of confidence issue because of my body , a naturally very ugly bodyshape in my opinion due to very low base/natural muscle and a tall torso (but shapes well with training) . and so i respond well emotionally to when i start to look good. so it is important to me to look good and feel good about that , if i am going to be standing infront of many saltry nice young people

my typing job pays verrrrrrrrrrrry little (literally half minimum wage...) but since i don't want to leave the house and do a normal job for minimum wage, i am okay with that but should still keep looking for opportunities to do online work that pays even £1/hour better than this does. consequently, i am going to look into giving Skype english conversation lessons, and that will also help with my daily confidence. also i will be able to do Skype japanese language exchange , since i want to learn the language

because of my typing job i may be able to apply for government support as they may consider me as self employed, which will give me a massive boost in income/support (they may pay half my rent). i need to sort out the evidence etc for that and hand it in soon

my everyday routine is going to be something like, 7am shower and drive to gym, 10am typing work, 6pm study japanese

as you all know very well, i burn out very very very easily and quickly . so, i'm not sure how to deal with that. it's like, when i sleep my brain doesnt reset enough so repetitive actions effect me more emotionally than they seem to with other people. perhaps? i think a first step to challenging that could be to download many popular albums for my mp3 player and make sure i play something new every day instead of the same 2 albums every day for weeks straight. for starters, i got 6+ months worth of JP's and Neal's roleplay/dnd shows to catch up on, so i should organise that.

my diet at the moment is going to be salad with coleslaw and no cheese. i know coleslaw is not good but it keeps me going. i'll get a few salad sauces too to mix it up. and frozen pork steaks which are pretty cheap here. and, crucially, French Bread (the metre long sticks of bread) that is soooooo nice, and fills you up if the rest of the salad didn't (lettuce is actually shockingly filling, if you didn't know!). this diet is very inexpensive, barring the cost of milk.

ingrediant list
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coleslaw
lettuce
cooked beetroot!!! (not sure how healthy it is)
occaisionally pickled onions
a tomato here and there
french bread!!!! (that's what we call it in england)
cucumber (shockingly tasty if it's fresh-ish, i never used to find it interesting in the past)

also,
eggs (gone off them a bit, had too many)
tinned tuna/salmon with microwaved potatoes, to get some extra protein and fish oil in me
microwaved potatoes with salad instead of french bread
milk (i got protein powder to go with it, for now)
i do have mixed frozen veg to go with the pork/eggs but never usually bother

also,
decaff tea and coffee is great "chillout" food


as for gaming and "wasting" time? well, i've been away from the computer for 3 weeks and going to keep this momentum going. i don't need to prove anything to myself in dota anymore, i know how to win now, it's just a case of how many more weeks i want to put into it, and i don't want to put any more weeks into it (my profile last 3 months https://www.dotabuff.com/players/114635809/heroes?date=3month&metric=played ) . so, emotionally i feel comfortable that i won't trip up and get back into it. notably, i've got work to wake up to every day now (i book in my own time slots in advance) so accidentally having a late night and playing 35 straight games just can't happen because of that

well, i guess that's me for now. i was gonna put this as a blog but it's really not interesting so lol, suckers!
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-12 12:31:19
January 12 2017 12:26 GMT
#3056
Since you guys were talking about rows. I am not going to a gym but I started doing some basic body weight stuff at home. Can I replace rows I am supposed to do at a bar (dont have one) with dumbbell rows like this:



(sorry never did strength training)
Off-season = best season
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18827 Posts
January 12 2017 12:28 GMT
#3057
You can, but you'd be cheating yourself out of a far superior exercise. We called those one arm rows "rippers" back in my high school gym and they were an accessory to barbell work to be sure. However, should a bar not be available, one arm dumbbell rows like those in the video will suffice.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 12 2017 12:41 GMT
#3058
Ty, what about 2 arm dumbbell rows like this as an alternative:

http://www.criticalbench.com/exercises/dumbbell-row.htm
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
January 12 2017 13:14 GMT
#3059
On January 12 2017 21:28 farvacola wrote:
You can, but you'd be cheating yourself out of a far superior exercise. We called those one arm rows "rippers" back in my high school gym and they were an accessory to barbell work to be sure. However, should a bar not be available, one arm dumbbell rows like those in the video will suffice.

This, just wanted to say kroc rows (I do them standing up, not on a bench) are one of my new favorites. I do them mainly to combat office shoulder pain. Works wonders.

Also great for grip strength and as a DL accessory.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18827 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-12 13:29:07
January 12 2017 13:22 GMT
#3060
On January 12 2017 21:41 Redox wrote:
Ty, what about 2 arm dumbbell rows like this as an alternative:

http://www.criticalbench.com/exercises/dumbbell-row.htm

Those are likely a bit better at activating the back than one arm, though you still have the same loading issue given that the arms are still being activated in an isolateral manner. I'll reiterate that unless you're exiting the beginner/intermediate stages of lifting, the specific exercise matters less than simply getting it done. Given that most lifters fail to incorporate much if any free weight row work into their routines, I'd say that you're ahead of the game no matter which exercise iteration you choose.
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