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On January 06 2015 09:58 atombombforpeace wrote:
Hello running thread, this year I decided to first stop lurking this thread and to try my best and get to my goal of finishing a marathon. At the moment I'm not concerned about speed at all, just making it to the finish line. Currently I'm trying to run 3-4 days a week, consisting of one long run and the rest shorter ones. I'm currently around 12-15 miles @ 9ish min/mi pace for my long runs and doing 6-7 miles or so for my short runs.
I'm just running into several problems I'd appreciate help with (besides trying to keep up a schedule). First off, how important is running half marathon races to prepare? I'm also hitting the wall pretty hard at the end of some runs, and I think I might be running out of water. Do you just plan a route with water along the way or are you just supposed to carry a water bottle with you, because I really hate having anything on me at all during a run. Also when I'm planning my runs, how much terrain should I be including, I haven't done much research yet on how much incline there is during a marathon course. Any advice on anything else would be appreciated.
Cheers to all on the new year and new goals.
I run with one of those belts that holds 2 small water bottles on your back hips and I find it less annoying than I thought I would. Alternatively I used to plan my routes so I would hit a place to get water, but it kind of locks you into a certain route and pace.
Marathons can vary widely on elevation, some are designed to have almost no change at all and some aren't, my local has probably less than 100ft of change during the entire course.
Good luck with your training.
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On January 06 2015 21:03 Jetaap wrote:
So i just joined the strava group, looks fun but i'm way less hardcore than some of you, don't know if i'll dare put my records here :p.
That climb though.
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Actually the worst part was by far running in the city, too many crosswalks, stoplights, people in the way... and running on concrete/flat surface hurts my knee, i actually had to stop a couple of times at the begining, but as soon as i started to climb on "natural" surface my knee was perfectly fine...
La bastille is actually a great place to run in grenoble, you slowly ascend above the city with the snowy mountains right in front of you, i think in my next runs i'll go there directly rather than trying to make an itinerary through the city.
The more i think of it the more i realize how awesome it is to be able leave my apartment, run 10 minutes and be in the mountains :D
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On January 06 2015 12:44 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 08:55 YPang wrote:On January 05 2015 20:47 Gjhc wrote:Hello everybody. This year I'm taking a semester off college and I'll get a part time job so I'll have plenty of spare time which I'll use to train for triathlon races. I have some swimming background but although I'm a decent runner and cyclist that's definitely where I'll have to invest more. I'm pretty dedicated to my training and I'll be training over 20 hours weekly for the first weeks mainly to get a good level of endurance and then depending on how I'm doing I'll see how to adjust my training. I'm no expert on training methodology and most of the sessions and training plans I'll be using come from hereAlthough it is very specific to triathlon it has many very interesting articles about the principles of training in general and about all the 3 disciplines of the triathlon which may be interesting for both runners and cyclists. My first race will be on the 16th Feb and will be a Sprint distance race (750m swim, 20km bike and 5km run). It will not my key race, so I'll just want to get the feel of racing and see where I'll need to improve so I'll be much better by the end of the season. Till then I hope to stay injure free and improve as much as possible. wooot! excited to see how you do on your races, keep us updated  . 20hours a week is a lot of training hours if you're not counting putting on shoes, waiting at stoplights...etc. But you came from a swim background so probably used to training 2-4 hours a day. Dude YPang is gonna be in Boulder in September, we have to all go for some crazy, painful run! And I'll try to make it up for a run at some point, maybe we can meet at USA XC?
Yes, let's finally try to get together and say "hi." If you want a place to crash on either end of USA XC we've got an nice guest bedroom in Broomfield. Last year was super cold viewing, but maybe this year will be more pleasant.
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So, 2015 is here!
My goals in 2014 where a bit beyond what I could expect to achieve based on my [medium-poor] training. Hill climbs are hard! On the whole, though, it was a great year for me with a few really nice performances at favorite 5k's and 4 milers and 33% more training miles than 2013.
My goals for 2014 (AKA "The Year of Hills"): [were]
1. Run the Pike's Peak Ascent
Run isn't really the correct word, but I did finish.
2. Run the Pike's Peak Ascent in less than 3 hours (very difficult, probably).
I finished in 3:13, walking way too much on the face. It's just not something that idle training in the flatlands prepares you for.
3. Run the Mt. Evans Ascent in less than 2 hours, 40 minutes, and thus earn a piece of the mountain as a prize.
This was actually pretty awesome. I got the rock, but I think I can improve my time and so I'm signed up for 2015 already
4. Run the La Luz Trail Run, hoping to place top 10.
I did not get top 10, again with lack of experience and training. I think that I will try again this year, knowing the course and with a LOT more climbs and miles under my soles.
So, 50% successful. Not too bad, but I could really see that I can improve on these style of climbs. Getting injured in May last year didn't help, either, kept me worried about my Achilles for ~4-5 months. All is good now, and I'm going to build mileage more gradually this time round, but up to higher numbers and more elevation for sure.
My goals for 2015 (AKA "Run Hills More Quickly"):
1) Don't get injured. Train for 5ish days per week, on good surfaces and at proper higher elevations, and stretch/massage as needed.
2) Run the Dirty 30 [mile] with RMR. This race is well attended, looks both awesome and insane.
3) Get Top 10 in La Luz Trail Run. Increased training WILL make this possible.
4) Run Mt. Evans in under 2:15. This is about a minute/mile faster than last year - but DOABLE with the correct training in place.
5) One more trail ultra TBD with RMR.
I'm taking a year off the Ascent, I think. That was pretty soul-crushing and I just need to feel a lot stronger before giving it another go.
I have to give a shoutout to TL Runners and Rocky Mountain Runners
TL Runners: you're all awesome. I hope to meet more of you IRL, if you're in Boulder or if I travel for runs, but in the mean time seeing your training and results and recaps keeps inspiration flowing.
RMR = carefree, fun group of crazy ultra/trail runners: some fast, some slow, but all happily insane. The energy there propels me into signing up for crazy stuff in 2015.
Good luck to us all!
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On January 07 2015 04:43 mtmentat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 12:44 L_Master wrote:On January 06 2015 08:55 YPang wrote:On January 05 2015 20:47 Gjhc wrote:Hello everybody. This year I'm taking a semester off college and I'll get a part time job so I'll have plenty of spare time which I'll use to train for triathlon races. I have some swimming background but although I'm a decent runner and cyclist that's definitely where I'll have to invest more. I'm pretty dedicated to my training and I'll be training over 20 hours weekly for the first weeks mainly to get a good level of endurance and then depending on how I'm doing I'll see how to adjust my training. I'm no expert on training methodology and most of the sessions and training plans I'll be using come from hereAlthough it is very specific to triathlon it has many very interesting articles about the principles of training in general and about all the 3 disciplines of the triathlon which may be interesting for both runners and cyclists. My first race will be on the 16th Feb and will be a Sprint distance race (750m swim, 20km bike and 5km run). It will not my key race, so I'll just want to get the feel of racing and see where I'll need to improve so I'll be much better by the end of the season. Till then I hope to stay injure free and improve as much as possible. wooot! excited to see how you do on your races, keep us updated . 20hours a week is a lot of training hours if you're not counting putting on shoes, waiting at stoplights...etc. But you came from a swim background so probably used to training 2-4 hours a day. Dude YPang is gonna be in Boulder in September, we have to all go for some crazy, painful run! And I'll try to make it up for a run at some point, maybe we can meet at USA XC? Yes, let's finally try to get together and say "hi." If you want a place to crash on either end of USA XC we've got an nice guest bedroom in Broomfield. Last year was super cold viewing, but maybe this year will be more pleasant.
I'll be looking for rent soon, and will be colorado for 5 weeks, and i'll definitely let you know. Thanks for giving me options can't believe TL can even provide me with housing options! haha.
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On January 07 2015 07:26 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 04:43 mtmentat wrote:On January 06 2015 12:44 L_Master wrote:On January 06 2015 08:55 YPang wrote:On January 05 2015 20:47 Gjhc wrote:Hello everybody. This year I'm taking a semester off college and I'll get a part time job so I'll have plenty of spare time which I'll use to train for triathlon races. I have some swimming background but although I'm a decent runner and cyclist that's definitely where I'll have to invest more. I'm pretty dedicated to my training and I'll be training over 20 hours weekly for the first weeks mainly to get a good level of endurance and then depending on how I'm doing I'll see how to adjust my training. I'm no expert on training methodology and most of the sessions and training plans I'll be using come from hereAlthough it is very specific to triathlon it has many very interesting articles about the principles of training in general and about all the 3 disciplines of the triathlon which may be interesting for both runners and cyclists. My first race will be on the 16th Feb and will be a Sprint distance race (750m swim, 20km bike and 5km run). It will not my key race, so I'll just want to get the feel of racing and see where I'll need to improve so I'll be much better by the end of the season. Till then I hope to stay injure free and improve as much as possible. wooot! excited to see how you do on your races, keep us updated . 20hours a week is a lot of training hours if you're not counting putting on shoes, waiting at stoplights...etc. But you came from a swim background so probably used to training 2-4 hours a day. Dude YPang is gonna be in Boulder in September, we have to all go for some crazy, painful run! And I'll try to make it up for a run at some point, maybe we can meet at USA XC? Yes, let's finally try to get together and say "hi." If you want a place to crash on either end of USA XC we've got an nice guest bedroom in Broomfield. Last year was super cold viewing, but maybe this year will be more pleasant. I'll be looking for rent soon, and will be colorado for 5 weeks, and i'll definitely let you know. Thanks for giving me options can't believe TL can even provide me with housing options! haha.
Awkward! I was actually replying to L_Master, for a night or two if he didn't want to drive himself up to Boulder too early on the day of USA XC. That said, I would gladly help you out if I can when you're visiting in Sept, maybe not for the whole 5 weeks unless I run it past the wife first... but a few days on either end (especially if it helps you get a better rental situation) would be my pleasure.
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YPang, if you were going to be in the Springs I'd totally be cool with you staying at my place, but a 90 min drive there and back to Boulder each day is not so desirable.
Since you'll be here for a while though, if you can find a few free days I can show you all the sick climbs and maybe we can all get together for an incline sufferfest as well.
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On January 07 2015 02:37 Jetaap wrote:
Actually the worst part was by far running in the city, too many crosswalks, stoplights, people in the way... and running on concrete/flat surface hurts my knee, i actually had to stop a couple of times at the begining, but as soon as i started to climb on "natural" surface my knee was perfectly fine...
La bastille is actually a great place to run in grenoble, you slowly ascend above the city with the snowy mountains right in front of you, i think in my next runs i'll go there directly rather than trying to make an itinerary through the city.
The more i think of it the more i realize how awesome it is to be able leave my apartment, run 10 minutes and be in the mountains :D
Grenoble looks awesome. I'm always jelly about the guys from Colorado who have the Rockies at their doorstep but Grenoble seems to be a pretty city, too.
Maybe take a look at the Strava heatmap for good running routes. When I'm in a foreign city that's where my research starts and I even found some new spots in my home town.
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haha, for sure thanks for offerings i'll definitely hit you up! I literally know nobody over there so ill be making new friends at local clubs and such as well.
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On January 08 2015 00:15 Don_Julio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 02:37 Jetaap wrote:
Actually the worst part was by far running in the city, too many crosswalks, stoplights, people in the way... and running on concrete/flat surface hurts my knee, i actually had to stop a couple of times at the begining, but as soon as i started to climb on "natural" surface my knee was perfectly fine...
La bastille is actually a great place to run in grenoble, you slowly ascend above the city with the snowy mountains right in front of you, i think in my next runs i'll go there directly rather than trying to make an itinerary through the city.
The more i think of it the more i realize how awesome it is to be able leave my apartment, run 10 minutes and be in the mountains :D Grenoble looks awesome. I'm always jelly about the guys from Colorado who have the Rockies at their doorstep but Grenoble seems to be a pretty city, too. Maybe take a look at the Strava heatmap for good running routes. When I'm in a foreign city that's where my research starts and I even found some new spots in my home town.
Wow this is awesome! I've been tinkering with a few gps / trail planning apps on android but it looks like strava has everything i wants!
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Found a new excuse for missing runs.
'All my running shoes were stolen from my car when it got broken into this morning' True story even, since I wear an odd size I can't even buy new ones until the weekend  (
Brand new shoes too, just bought them Saturday.
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WOW that sucks. Note to self, do not leave running shoes exposed in plain sight in car. Wouldn't even think about someone breaking into car to steal them but I guess especially if there's a couple pairs it could easily be $200+
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And....London does it again! Freaking absurd field
Wilson Kipsang (Kenya) 2:03:23
Dennis Kimetto (Kenya) 2:02:57
Emmanuel Mutai (Kenya) 2:03:13
Eliud Kipchoge (Kenya) 2:04:05
Ayele Abshero (Ethiopia) 2:04:23
Sammy Kitwara (Kenya) 2:04:28
Tsegaye Mekonnen (Ethiopia) 2:04:32
Stanley Biwott (Kenya) 2:04:55
Kenenisa Bekele (Ethiopia) 2:05:04
Tilahun Regassa (Ethiopia) 2:05:27
Samuel Tsegay (Eritrea) 2:07:28
Serhiy Lebid (Ukraine) 2:08:32
Aleksey Reunkov (Russia) 2:09:54
Ghebrezgiabhier Kibrom (Eritrea) 2:10:00
Marcin Chabowski (Poland) 2:10:07
Koen Raymaekers (Netherlands) 2:10:35
Scott Overall (Great Britain & NI) 2:10:55
Michael Shelley (Australia) 2:11:15
Javier Guerra (Spain) 2:12:21
Steve Way (Great Britain & NI) 2:15:16
Christian Kreienbühl (Germany) 2:15:35
Pedro Ribeiro (Portugal) Debut
Just ridiculous. There is almost nobody you are missing. Perhaps Geoff Mutai but that's it.
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On January 07 2015 05:17 mtmentat wrote:So, 2015 is here! My goals in 2014 where a bit beyond what I could expect to achieve based on my [medium-poor] training. Hill climbs are hard! On the whole, though, it was a great year for me with a few really nice performances at favorite 5k's and 4 milers and 33% more training miles than 2013. Show nested quote +
My goals for 2014 (AKA "The Year of Hills"): [were]
1. Run the Pike's Peak Ascent
Run isn't really the correct word, but I did finish.
2. Run the Pike's Peak Ascent in less than 3 hours (very difficult, probably).
I finished in 3:13, walking way too much on the face. It's just not something that idle training in the flatlands prepares you for.
3. Run the Mt. Evans Ascent in less than 2 hours, 40 minutes, and thus earn a piece of the mountain as a prize.
This was actually pretty awesome. I got the rock, but I think I can improve my time and so I'm signed up for 2015 already
4. Run the La Luz Trail Run, hoping to place top 10.
I did not get top 10, again with lack of experience and training. I think that I will try again this year, knowing the course and with a LOT more climbs and miles under my soles.
So, 50% successful. Not too bad, but I could really see that I can improve on these style of climbs. Getting injured in May last year didn't help, either, kept me worried about my Achilles for ~4-5 months. All is good now, and I'm going to build mileage more gradually this time round, but up to higher numbers and more elevation for sure. My goals for 2015 (AKA "Run Hills More Quickly"): 1) Don't get injured. Train for 5ish days per week, on good surfaces and at proper higher elevations, and stretch/massage as needed. 2) Run the Dirty 30 [mile] with RMR. This race is well attended, looks both awesome and insane. 3) Get Top 10 in La Luz Trail Run. Increased training WILL make this possible. 4) Run Mt. Evans in under 2:15. This is about a minute/mile faster than last year - but DOABLE with the correct training in place. 5) One more trail ultra TBD with RMR. I'm taking a year off the Ascent, I think. That was pretty soul-crushing and I just need to feel a lot stronger before giving it another go. I have to give a shoutout to TL Runners and Rocky Mountain Runners TL Runners: you're all awesome. I hope to meet more of you IRL, if you're in Boulder or if I travel for runs, but in the mean time seeing your training and results and recaps keeps inspiration flowing. RMR = carefree, fun group of crazy ultra/trail runners: some fast, some slow, but all happily insane. The energy there propels me into signing up for crazy stuff in 2015. Good luck to us all!
1) That's my main goal, too (5 days/no injuries). You don't succeed here and all your other goals are in jeopardy.
3+4) That's ambitious. I remember that you complained about lack of proper training last year. Placement is in large parts luck based isn't it? If a few more Bonhams than usual show up you just drop a few spots even if you run better than ever.
On January 09 2015 14:33 L_Master wrote:+ Show Spoiler +And....London does it again! Freaking absurd field
Wilson Kipsang (Kenya) 2:03:23
Dennis Kimetto (Kenya) 2:02:57
Emmanuel Mutai (Kenya) 2:03:13
Eliud Kipchoge (Kenya) 2:04:05
Ayele Abshero (Ethiopia) 2:04:23
Sammy Kitwara (Kenya) 2:04:28
Tsegaye Mekonnen (Ethiopia) 2:04:32
Stanley Biwott (Kenya) 2:04:55
Kenenisa Bekele (Ethiopia) 2:05:04
Tilahun Regassa (Ethiopia) 2:05:27
Samuel Tsegay (Eritrea) 2:07:28
Serhiy Lebid (Ukraine) 2:08:32
Aleksey Reunkov (Russia) 2:09:54
Ghebrezgiabhier Kibrom (Eritrea) 2:10:00
Marcin Chabowski (Poland) 2:10:07
Koen Raymaekers (Netherlands) 2:10:35
Scott Overall (Great Britain & NI) 2:10:55
Michael Shelley (Australia) 2:11:15
Javier Guerra (Spain) 2:12:21
Steve Way (Great Britain & NI) 2:15:16
Christian Kreienbühl (Germany) 2:15:35
Pedro Ribeiro (Portugal) Debut
Just ridiculous. There is almost nobody you are missing. Perhaps Geoff Mutai but that's it.
You know the field is stacked if Keninsa is just a side note. Can't wait to see Kipsang, Kimetto and Mutai to duke it out. I know that London is slower than Berlin but they still run fast times there. With competition as fierce as this year, who knows... . I really hope Bekele can bounce back from his disappointing performance in Chicago.
@LagLovah: Damn. People are assholes.
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On December 07 2014 22:59 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 15:44 Malinor wrote:
Had a 10k last week (a friend talked me into it) and finished at 56:14 at112kg. It is a little race series with a second 10k in December and a third 10k in January. That's pretty good motivation I gotta say. The goal for December is now 54:xx. And it is the next attempt to keep my weight reasonable. I have been working 60h/week for 2 months and it cost me ~5kg. If I get rid of those 5kg again it should lead me to a 53:xx or so by itself. I wish at those races they would list results by weight and not by age ;-)
Today was the second 10k in the series. I have been running 20 times during the last 21 days and my weight was at 107,5kg this morning. I finished in 53:13, three minutes faster than three weeks ago. Also, this is definitely a new all time PR, including training. I recall that I did something like 54/55 minutes on track during training once. But I have never run a 53:xx. So I am very satisfied that all the work paid off. The third race is on January 11th. I think 51:xx is a realistic goal, if I have a reasonable christmas and keep training well. So I will aim for that. I hope I can keep this up, feels really good. edit: The GPS had the 10k last 10070m. So my GPS actually tells me I broke 53:xx with like 52:58 at the 10k mark. Though I am never sure if the GPS is 100% accurate.
Today was the third race. Bodyweight was at 104,9kg. I finished in 51:42, so another ~90 seconds faster and therefore a new PR.
The race itself was really hard. It was extremely windy and on the third km of the 5k lap you were just running against a wall, my pace dropped by 20 seconds in both rounds. Also, my legs were spent halfway through I wasn't well rested.
I am surely satisfied but I know there is room for improvement. Next 10k is in 6 weeks. Let's see if I can get to 49:xx, though for that to happen everything has to work out.
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On January 08 2015 09:49 LagLovah wrote:Found a new excuse for missing runs. 'All my running shoes were stolen from my car when it got broken into this morning' True story even, since I wear an odd size I can't even buy new ones until the weekend ( Brand new shoes too, just bought them Saturday.
Man, LagLovah, that is terrible! Late to the game, but hopefully you found some replacements quickly over the weekend to get rid of the "excuse?" Did you file a police report/check the area for any CCTV?
People really suck, sometimes...
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On January 09 2015 21:51 Don_Julio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 05:17 mtmentat wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So, 2015 is here! My goals in 2014 where a bit beyond what I could expect to achieve based on my [medium-poor] training. Hill climbs are hard! On the whole, though, it was a great year for me with a few really nice performances at favorite 5k's and 4 milers and 33% more training miles than 2013.
My goals for 2014 (AKA "The Year of Hills"): [were]
1. Run the Pike's Peak Ascent
Run isn't really the correct word, but I did finish.
2. Run the Pike's Peak Ascent in less than 3 hours (very difficult, probably).
I finished in 3:13, walking way too much on the face. It's just not something that idle training in the flatlands prepares you for.
3. Run the Mt. Evans Ascent in less than 2 hours, 40 minutes, and thus earn a piece of the mountain as a prize.
This was actually pretty awesome. I got the rock, but I think I can improve my time and so I'm signed up for 2015 already
4. Run the La Luz Trail Run, hoping to place top 10.
I did not get top 10, again with lack of experience and training. I think that I will try again this year, knowing the course and with a LOT more climbs and miles under my soles.
So, 50% successful. Not too bad, but I could really see that I can improve on these style of climbs. Getting injured in May last year didn't help, either, kept me worried about my Achilles for ~4-5 months. All is good now, and I'm going to build mileage more gradually this time round, but up to higher numbers and more elevation for sure. My goals for 2015 (AKA "Run Hills More Quickly"): 1) Don't get injured. Train for 5ish days per week, on good surfaces and at proper higher elevations, and stretch/massage as needed. 2) Run the Dirty 30 [mile] with RMR. This race is well attended, looks both awesome and insane. 3) Get Top 10 in La Luz Trail Run. Increased training WILL make this possible. + Show Spoiler +
4) Run Mt. Evans in under 2:15. This is about a minute/mile faster than last year - but DOABLE with the correct training in place.
5) One more trail ultra TBD with RMR.
I'm taking a year off the Ascent, I think. That was pretty soul-crushing and I just need to feel a lot stronger before giving it another go.
I have to give a shoutout to TL Runners and Rocky Mountain Runners
TL Runners: you're all awesome. I hope to meet more of you IRL, if you're in Boulder or if I travel for runs, but in the mean time seeing your training and results and recaps keeps inspiration flowing.
RMR = carefree, fun group of crazy ultra/trail runners: some fast, some slow, but all happily insane. The energy there propels me into signing up for crazy stuff in 2015.
Good luck to us all!
1) That's my main goal, too (5 days/no injuries). You don't succeed here and all your other goals are in jeopardy. 3+4) That's ambitious. I remember that you complained about lack of proper training last year. Placement is in large parts luck based isn't it? If a few more Bonhams than usual show up you just drop a few spots even if you run better than ever.
Yes, I recognize that it is luck based to try for a place. It's very strange, though, for me. If I make the assumption that the field remains the same, and that a # is doable, within the race it's easier for me to push harder toward that placement instead of trying to push myself harder against a clock goal. Something of the competitive or sporting streak in me, I guess - similar to how I don't try to beat an Insane AI but rather always want to compete against other humans who are pushing their limits too.
Plus, the flipside of that is that maybe fewer amazing runners will show up! This past Saturday I ran a 5k that was bitter cold last year and still had a ridiculously stacked field for a "fun-run." This year, very few of the good runners in the area showed up even though there was a $200 cash prize for first. My friend won it, even though last year his time would have been closer to 4th!
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I'm in the Alpes now, trained a bit on a treadmill but I totally understimated the effect of height on my stamina and heart rate.
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On January 13 2015 03:58 Meat wrote:
I'm in the Alpes now, trained a bit on a treadmill but I totally understimated the effect of height on my stamina and heart rate.
Dang, time to go get in some beautiful climbing runs! And yea altitude absolutely has an effect, especially when you start talking up over 1500m in elevation. On the other hand if you live at 2000m like I do and come down to sea level...
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