EPTRunning/Cycling Thread - 2015 Edition - Page 14
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Thanks for the replies, I'll try a few more runs before I think about anything else then | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
I'm not too sure if I'm in a slump right now, but I just recovered from a flu and I ran my personal worst in like 2 months of 9:50 for 1.5 miles. It's funny, because just 1 week ago, I ran a personal best of 9:35 when I was STILL quite ill. When I finished my time trial today I just felt bitterly disappointed and angry at myself. This was my second PB attempt in 2 days; my earlier attempt was 9:46 and I thought I couldn't do any worse, but I was wrong. Prior to these 2 attempts, I had never run slower than 9:43 in like 4-5 weeks. Even thought I felt quite good before the run, I quickly became tired after just 2 laps - I was aerobically tired, but my legs felt awesome. I don't remember being this tired this early in any PB attempt for quite a long while. Can anyone help? Any advice for getting over this slump? Many thanks in advance... I'm a sad panda right now  | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
On June 03 2015 21:59 Clazziquai10 wrote: + Show Spoiler + How do you break out of a slump? I'm not too sure if I'm in a slump right now, but I just recovered from a flu and I ran my personal worst in like 2 months of 9:50 for 1.5 miles. It's funny, because just 1 week ago, I ran a personal best of 9:35 when I was STILL quite ill. When I finished my time trial today I just felt bitterly disappointed and angry at myself. This was my second PB attempt in 2 days; my earlier attempt was 9:46 and I thought I couldn't do any worse, but I was wrong. Prior to these 2 attempts, I had never run slower than 9:43 in like 4-5 weeks. Even thought I felt quite good before the run, I quickly became tired after just 2 laps - I was aerobically tired, but my legs felt awesome. I don't remember being this tired this early in any PB attempt for quite a long while. Can anyone help? Any advice for getting over this slump? Many thanks in advance... I'm a sad panda right now That's not a slump. Your body is tired. You can't expect to race every week (or day) and get PRs every single time. Your body needs time to recover. The flu mught very well be just a symptom of your body being overstrained. Your best bet right now is to do only easy runs for a while and heal up. Out of curiosity, how does your typical week of running look like? | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5111 Posts
I'm no expert, but from my personal experience and seeing others racing really does tire out the body more than one might think or feel. There is a reason why serious runners have training versus racing seasons. If you want to get a PB, you can't get a big PR following previous near max efforts (whether it is a race or time trial or whatever) A few good recovery runs and then you might just smash a PR even though you feel the same level of effort as before. Also, how old are you? Young guys vary a shit ton and some get away without planning recovery as well as they should (but they would do even better with the right planning, probably). But two guys who train the same could race very differently, even though it "looks" like in practice they are the same | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
They allegedly use testosterone, asthma and thyroid medication via microdosing. There are claims by high-profile ex-NOP athletes like Kara Goucher. edit: Here's the documentary. The NOP part starts at about 33:00 | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
On June 04 2015 01:33 N.geNuity wrote: Racing results are very frustrating when you race very often. Months do go by without really great race improvement even though you know you are putting in good or consistent runs and you are improving in training runs. I'm no expert, but from my personal experience and seeing others racing really does tire out the body more than one might think or feel. There is a reason why serious runners have training versus racing seasons. If you want to get a PB, you can't get a big PR following previous near max efforts (whether it is a race or time trial or whatever) A few good recovery runs and then you might just smash a PR even though you feel the same level of effort as before. Also, how old are you? Young guys vary a shit ton and some get away without planning recovery as well as they should (but they would do even better with the right planning, probably). But two guys who train the same could race very differently, even though it "looks" like in practice they are the same I'm 23 years old, and I run 4-5 times a week. Usually it's a mix of racing, intervals and easy runs. I'll admit that I don't really have a structured training programme and diet, even though I'll be engaging a running coach soon to help me with my goals :p | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
Try to structure your training and drop races for a while and you'll run PRs soon enough. | ||
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councilxvb32
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N.geNuity
United States5111 Posts
Local running clubs can be great! They vary, but you can meet some cool folks | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5111 Posts
I think the big news is the accusation is of Rupp doing testosterone, including an accusation that he has done so since high school Didnt see the documentary, only read an article. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On June 04 2015 16:27 Don_Julio wrote: So. The Nike Oregon Project faces PED claims: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32877702 They allegedly use testosterone, asthma and thyroid medication via microdosing. There are claims by high-profile ex-NOP athletes like Kara Goucher. edit: Here's the documentary. The NOP part starts at about 33:00 https://youtu.be/a61rS4jN3As?t=3300 It's surprising if NOP was outright doping. I expected to hear about all kinds of ethically questionable stuff for TUEs, optimum levels of varies chemicals and hormones, etc. but all of it technically within the bounds of legality. Some of these allegations, such as the testosterone, suggest outright doping from NOP, which if true would be pretty surprising; both because Salazar has always seemed one to push boundaries as much as he could without technically cheating the letter of the law, and more importantly, because he surely realizes that nobody of that profile has any chance to get away with doping in the long term. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5111 Posts
All the likely not-needed prescriptions and such many elites get are probably illegal by real law lol. I guarantee salazar is breaking laws about drug prescriptions, etc. Wading through some letsrun trolls (that forum is hilarious) there actually has been some darn good journalism done over the years on just how unclean a whole bunch of people (or trainers) are | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On June 03 2015 21:59 Clazziquai10 wrote: How do you break out of a slump? I'm not too sure if I'm in a slump right now, but I just recovered from a flu and I ran my personal worst in like 2 months of 9:50 for 1.5 miles. It's funny, because just 1 week ago, I ran a personal best of 9:35 when I was STILL quite ill. When I finished my time trial today I just felt bitterly disappointed and angry at myself. This was my second PB attempt in 2 days; my earlier attempt was 9:46 and I thought I couldn't do any worse, but I was wrong. Prior to these 2 attempts, I had never run slower than 9:43 in like 4-5 weeks. Even thought I felt quite good before the run, I quickly became tired after just 2 laps - I was aerobically tired, but my legs felt awesome. I don't remember being this tired this early in any PB attempt for quite a long while. Can anyone help? Any advice for getting over this slump? Many thanks in advance... I'm a sad panda right now I probably wouldn't attempt a personal best more than once every week or two. Personal best efforts (or any running at 100-110% effort) done too often will break you down quickly. Two all out attempts in 2 days isn't leaving much room for recovery. There are also a bunch of factors that go into a single performance on any given day, weather conditions, diet the day before and day of etc. heck sometimes I have bad days for no explainable reasons whatsoever, and other days I'm cruising as an insanely fast pace and it feels easy. I wouldn't really be concerned after just two sub par performances. My best efforts and PR's usually come 2-3 weeks after solid focused training(or longer), and then a week of rest and easy running leading up to the race/time trail. | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
 edit: k, 41:59. That's a PR by 3 seconds. I started out at 40:00 pace but everyone around me and myself slowly dropped the speed. I still consistently passed a few runners and finished fast. But the heat affected me both phsyically and mentally and destroyed any chance I had for a greater PR which makes me a little sad because I really need to start marathon training now. Well, I'll probably try to run a fast 10k in the late fall after Berlin. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5111 Posts
Today it is going to be over 100 F (37 C) from about 2 pm to 8 pm. It will still be 29 C (85 F) at 10:00 pm Last year this is where I struggled. It was just hard for me to try to be running at 9 pm or so and fall asleep at a time where I could wake up fir work Do people just try to cram in very long or very hard days on the weekend and be lighter in the week? I'm a casual so i'm not interested in doing like 10x400 repeats or something like that if the answer is "try long runs on weekends and hard intervals during the weekdays". Maybe that is the best way to try to work around the heat | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On June 09 2015 02:33 N.geNuity wrote: So who works around beating the heat here? Today it is going to be over 100 F (37 C) from about 2 pm to 8 pm. It will still be 29 C (85 F) at 10:00 pm Last year this is where I struggled. It was just hard for me to try to be running at 9 pm or so and fall asleep at a time where I could wake up fir work Do people just try to cram in very long or very hard days on the weekend and be lighter in the week? I'm a casual so i'm not interested in doing like 10x400 repeats or something like that if the answer is "try long runs on weekends and hard intervals during the weekdays". Maybe that is the best way to try to work around the heat I usually just slow the pace down if necessary. someone told me a general guideline once but I forgot what it was exactly, I think it was something like for every few degrees over 80F slow by like 5/s a mile or something. So if it's 100F you'll want to be running at least 20/s slower per mile if not more for whatever training pace you are targeting. Or just run as early as possible or late, sometimes that doesn't even help much. | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
On June 09 2015 02:33 N.geNuity wrote: So who works around beating the heat here? Today it is going to be over 100 F (37 C) from about 2 pm to 8 pm. It will still be 29 C (85 F) at 10:00 pm Last year this is where I struggled. It was just hard for me to try to be running at 9 pm or so and fall asleep at a time where I could wake up fir work Do people just try to cram in very long or very hard days on the weekend and be lighter in the week? I'm a casual so i'm not interested in doing like 10x400 repeats or something like that if the answer is "try long runs on weekends and hard intervals during the weekdays". Maybe that is the best way to try to work around the heat I'm not living in a particular hot area but when it gets hot I just slow down on my easy run and simply run by effort. Hydration isn't an issue for me with anything under an hour. For long runs I plan ahead and get up early on sundays when I know it's going to be a hot day to be back home at least at 12 am. Workouts are shit though. I do them as late as possible on hot days or postpone if I know the next day is less warm. But then again anything over 25°C is uncomfortably hot for me. | ||
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mtmentat
United States142 Posts
On May 24 2015 01:33 Don_Julio wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2015 07:00 mtmentat wrote: Ha - it's a pretty well-known bit of trail around CO Springs, many thanks to L_Master for introducing me to it. He didn't mention that he brought a friend who pushed my arse all the way up the steep stuff. Beware his down-hill speed, too!! It was fun to meet up IRL, 10/10 would do again (and hope that L_Master or any of the rest of you will consider letting me know if you're in Boulder/Denver!). I'll pay you visit when I run Leaville. Looking forward to it!! I assume sanity, and that you're going to be out here shortly for the marathon. (If insane, and doing the L100, that's cool, too) | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On June 16 2015 01:37 mtmentat wrote: Looking forward to it!! I assume sanity, and that you're going to be out here shortly for the marathon. (If insane, and doing the L100, that's cool, too) Hey you better give me a heads up too! | ||
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