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GrandInquisitor
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On May 19 2015 06:51 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 06:09 GrandInquisitor wrote:
To be clear -- when I say I felt good, I didn't want to suggest that I could run for another few hours or so. I was definitely feeling it. I'd check my watch -- "11.1 miles" -- run for what felt like a while -- then check my watch again -- "11.2 miles" -- "GODDAMN IT". I don't think I could have held a cogent conversation (maybe I could grunt words at you though). But at no point did I think to myself, "Holy shit, I feel really bad, worse than I've ever felt during running, I need to stop." In fact I vividly remember thinking that I could/should slow down and still make my goal since I had hit mile 12 ahead of schedule. My HR (according to my watch at least) had started off in the 180s for the first 4 miles but settled into the 160s after that.
Yea, thats to be expected. You never really feel "good" at any point past somewhere between 1/4 and halfway through a race. You're working. But when I say feeling good I mean that the race is going well, you feel under control, etc. Still hurting, but still moving along. Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 06:09 GrandInquisitor wrote:On May 19 2015 05:41 L_Master wrote:On May 19 2015 04:21 GrandInquisitor wrote:
A few pages ago you all gave me some advice re: my desire to do a 2 hour half marathon. Your words helped with my training, and I was able to do 4mile + 10mile runs at the McMillan goal paces.
So this past Saturday was the half marathon. It was a wet and muggy day, but I ran 12.2 miles slightly faster my goal pace (I think I hit the 12 mile marker at around 1:50:xx). I felt great -- I mean, I wasn't running easy at that point, but come on, I'm not supposed to be "running easy" 90% of the way through a half marathon, right? I felt like I always do at the end of a race.
The next thing I remember, I was in an ambulance with vomit all over me. Ended up staying in the ER for 7 hours or so, presumably due to dehydration/exhaustion even though I had drank at every water station along the way.
I don't think there's any long-term injuries or anything like that, but it's definitely taken a psychological toll. The race was tough but it did not really seem that much tougher than the end of any other race. I guess I had always thought that if you were pushing your body to the breaking point, there'd be some sign, or you'd feel different than you usually did. On Saturday I felt like I was running easy for 7 miles, then running a bit labored for the next 3 miles, and then somewhat more labored after that (i.e., checking watch and going "omg it's only been .1 miles?"), but I never thought it would have made me DNF involuntarily. I'm a little unclear on whether you passed out or not. It would be nice to know medically what they said happened, while it's unlikely it's something serious, having that happen is absolutely something you should take seriously. People generally don't pass out during races, and when it does it can be related to potential heart or other health issues. This probably isn't the case, but it's something I would highly encourage you not to ignore if they didn't already give you some solid medical answers. What do you mean precisely by "passed out"? I certainly do not remember falling down, or being taken care of while on the ground. In particular, I hit my face on the ground without using my hands to block my fall, so from that I assume I passed out. Lost consciousness. Which is definitely what happened from that description. What was the opinion offered by the medical guys afterwords in terms of what happened?
They didn't really say much other than I collapsed at the race. They didn't see me fall, after all. I'm going in for a full physical and workup this week.
It's funny to read some people's race reports and find myself show up in them 
I'm mostly just frustrated. 12.2 fucking miles and I collapse like that? Bleh.
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On May 19 2015 14:01 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 06:51 L_Master wrote:On May 19 2015 06:09 GrandInquisitor wrote:
To be clear -- when I say I felt good, I didn't want to suggest that I could run for another few hours or so. I was definitely feeling it. I'd check my watch -- "11.1 miles" -- run for what felt like a while -- then check my watch again -- "11.2 miles" -- "GODDAMN IT". I don't think I could have held a cogent conversation (maybe I could grunt words at you though). But at no point did I think to myself, "Holy shit, I feel really bad, worse than I've ever felt during running, I need to stop." In fact I vividly remember thinking that I could/should slow down and still make my goal since I had hit mile 12 ahead of schedule. My HR (according to my watch at least) had started off in the 180s for the first 4 miles but settled into the 160s after that.
Yea, thats to be expected. You never really feel "good" at any point past somewhere between 1/4 and halfway through a race. You're working. But when I say feeling good I mean that the race is going well, you feel under control, etc. Still hurting, but still moving along. On May 19 2015 06:09 GrandInquisitor wrote:On May 19 2015 05:41 L_Master wrote:On May 19 2015 04:21 GrandInquisitor wrote:
A few pages ago you all gave me some advice re: my desire to do a 2 hour half marathon. Your words helped with my training, and I was able to do 4mile + 10mile runs at the McMillan goal paces.
So this past Saturday was the half marathon. It was a wet and muggy day, but I ran 12.2 miles slightly faster my goal pace (I think I hit the 12 mile marker at around 1:50:xx). I felt great -- I mean, I wasn't running easy at that point, but come on, I'm not supposed to be "running easy" 90% of the way through a half marathon, right? I felt like I always do at the end of a race.
The next thing I remember, I was in an ambulance with vomit all over me. Ended up staying in the ER for 7 hours or so, presumably due to dehydration/exhaustion even though I had drank at every water station along the way.
I don't think there's any long-term injuries or anything like that, but it's definitely taken a psychological toll. The race was tough but it did not really seem that much tougher than the end of any other race. I guess I had always thought that if you were pushing your body to the breaking point, there'd be some sign, or you'd feel different than you usually did. On Saturday I felt like I was running easy for 7 miles, then running a bit labored for the next 3 miles, and then somewhat more labored after that (i.e., checking watch and going "omg it's only been .1 miles?"), but I never thought it would have made me DNF involuntarily. I'm a little unclear on whether you passed out or not. It would be nice to know medically what they said happened, while it's unlikely it's something serious, having that happen is absolutely something you should take seriously. People generally don't pass out during races, and when it does it can be related to potential heart or other health issues. This probably isn't the case, but it's something I would highly encourage you not to ignore if they didn't already give you some solid medical answers. What do you mean precisely by "passed out"? I certainly do not remember falling down, or being taken care of while on the ground. In particular, I hit my face on the ground without using my hands to block my fall, so from that I assume I passed out. Lost consciousness. Which is definitely what happened from that description. What was the opinion offered by the medical guys afterwords in terms of what happened? They didn't really say much other than I collapsed at the race. They didn't see me fall, after all. I'm going in for a full physical and workup this week. It's funny to read some people's race reports and find myself show up in them I'm mostly just frustrated. 12.2 fucking miles and I collapse like that? Bleh.
No reason to be frustrated. You ran a very solid race and gave it damn near everything you've got. That's nothing to be disappointed in, especially since the collapsing was beyond your control.
Next time out you'll run sub 1:55 or sub 1:50.
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On May 19 2015 05:04 Don_Julio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2015 15:07 L_Master wrote:Successful day, finally got to run with sir mtmentat today. Did a fairly mountainous loop called Section 16. He dropped me hard on the steep stuff (about a mile of very rocky 20% grade), and then we had some fun flying down the nice descent. Cool guy. Next up on the meet list: YPang.  I'm jelly. Section 16 is a shitty name for a trail though.
Ha - it's a pretty well-known bit of trail around CO Springs, many thanks to L_Master for introducing me to it. He didn't mention that he brought a friend who pushed my arse all the way up the steep stuff. Beware his down-hill speed, too!!
It was fun to meet up IRL, 10/10 would do again (and hope that L_Master or any of the rest of you will consider letting me know if you're in Boulder/Denver!).
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On May 20 2015 07:00 mtmentat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 05:04 Don_Julio wrote:On May 18 2015 15:07 L_Master wrote:Successful day, finally got to run with sir mtmentat today. Did a fairly mountainous loop called Section 16. He dropped me hard on the steep stuff (about a mile of very rocky 20% grade), and then we had some fun flying down the nice descent. Cool guy. Next up on the meet list: YPang. I'm jelly. Section 16 is a shitty name for a trail though. Ha - it's a pretty well-known bit of trail around CO Springs, many thanks to L_Master for introducing me to it. He didn't mention that he brought a friend who pushed my arse all the way up the steep stuff. Beware his down-hill speed, too!! It was fun to meet up IRL, 10/10 would do again (and hope that L_Master or any of the rest of you will consider letting me know if you're in Boulder/Denver!).
Well i'll be up in Bolder this weekend for sure for BB. Probably not going to race due to the entry fee being so high at this point, but definitely be happy to catch some food and the pro race with ya if you're going to be there.
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I'll try to figure out my weekend + Monday plans tonight with runner friends at Flatirons, and let you know!
+ Show Spoiler +On May 19 2015 14:01 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 06:51 L_Master wrote:On May 19 2015 06:09 GrandInquisitor wrote:
To be clear -- when I say I felt good, I didn't want to suggest that I could run for another few hours or so. I was definitely feeling it. I'd check my watch -- "11.1 miles" -- run for what felt like a while -- then check my watch again -- "11.2 miles" -- "GODDAMN IT". I don't think I could have held a cogent conversation (maybe I could grunt words at you though). But at no point did I think to myself, "Holy shit, I feel really bad, worse than I've ever felt during running, I need to stop." In fact I vividly remember thinking that I could/should slow down and still make my goal since I had hit mile 12 ahead of schedule. My HR (according to my watch at least) had started off in the 180s for the first 4 miles but settled into the 160s after that.
Yea, thats to be expected. You never really feel "good" at any point past somewhere between 1/4 and halfway through a race. You're working. But when I say feeling good I mean that the race is going well, you feel under control, etc. Still hurting, but still moving along. On May 19 2015 06:09 GrandInquisitor wrote:On May 19 2015 05:41 L_Master wrote:On May 19 2015 04:21 GrandInquisitor wrote:
A few pages ago you all gave me some advice re: my desire to do a 2 hour half marathon. Your words helped with my training, and I was able to do 4mile + 10mile runs at the McMillan goal paces.
So this past Saturday was the half marathon. It was a wet and muggy day, but I ran 12.2 miles slightly faster my goal pace (I think I hit the 12 mile marker at around 1:50:xx). I felt great -- I mean, I wasn't running easy at that point, but come on, I'm not supposed to be "running easy" 90% of the way through a half marathon, right? I felt like I always do at the end of a race.
The next thing I remember, I was in an ambulance with vomit all over me. Ended up staying in the ER for 7 hours or so, presumably due to dehydration/exhaustion even though I had drank at every water station along the way.
I don't think there's any long-term injuries or anything like that, but it's definitely taken a psychological toll. The race was tough but it did not really seem that much tougher than the end of any other race. I guess I had always thought that if you were pushing your body to the breaking point, there'd be some sign, or you'd feel different than you usually did. On Saturday I felt like I was running easy for 7 miles, then running a bit labored for the next 3 miles, and then somewhat more labored after that (i.e., checking watch and going "omg it's only been .1 miles?"), but I never thought it would have made me DNF involuntarily. I'm a little unclear on whether you passed out or not. It would be nice to know medically what they said happened, while it's unlikely it's something serious, having that happen is absolutely something you should take seriously. People generally don't pass out during races, and when it does it can be related to potential heart or other health issues. This probably isn't the case, but it's something I would highly encourage you not to ignore if they didn't already give you some solid medical answers. What do you mean precisely by "passed out"? I certainly do not remember falling down, or being taken care of while on the ground. In particular, I hit my face on the ground without using my hands to block my fall, so from that I assume I passed out. Lost consciousness. Which is definitely what happened from that description. What was the opinion offered by the medical guys afterwords in terms of what happened? They didn't really say much other than I collapsed at the race. They didn't see me fall, after all. I'm going in for a full physical and workup this week. It's funny to read some people's race reports and find myself show up in them I'm mostly just frustrated. 12.2 fucking miles and I collapse like that? Bleh.
On May 20 2015 00:35 L_Master wrote:
No reason to be frustrated. You ran a very solid race and gave it damn near everything you've got. That's nothing to be disappointed in, especially since the collapsing was beyond your control.
Next time out you'll run sub 1:55 or sub 1:50.
'Have to agree with L_Master, here. Some of the funniest/most badass running moments ever are when things are pushed to a breaking point and your body rebels!
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On May 18 2015 00:49 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2015 08:33 WoolySheep wrote:
Some background: Last year I ran a half marathon in the spring in just under 1:45. then in October I ran a 10K in 45:10 (a jump in VDOT of about 3 points)
Christmas I began training in earnest again and 2 weeks ago was up to running 40-45 miles per week (mostly treadmill as it was still winter in Canada). Show nested quote +On May 17 2015 08:33 WoolySheep wrote:
I don't even want to sign up for the race in the fall now, seeing as I won't be able to break 1:30 for the half.
What exactly made you decide to target 1:30? Not to be discouraging but none of your race times suggest anything close to current 1:30 half ability. Drop a 19:30 5k or 40:00 10k and then you can start to think about 1:30. Right now I would say 1:35 is an ambitious, but not inconceivable goal. The only way you are breaking 1:30 in the fall is if you have some weight to lose and do a good job of that. Show nested quote +On May 17 2015 08:33 WoolySheep wrote:
2 weeks ago, I went on vacation to Hawaii and didn't do much running, mostly hiking and walking on beaches. I got back on Wednesday. Show nested quote +On May 17 2015 08:33 WoolySheep wrote:
On Friday I tried running outside for 10 miles and ended up stopping after 4 due to heat. Later that night I ran inside on the treadmill at a 7 min/mile clip to see how long I could run for and ended up doing 3.5 miles So, you took two weeks off from training and were disappointed that you weren't running as fast as you were two weeks ago? Ehm.....wat? I'm not really sure what you expected, but doing no training is not a taper. Your doing modest mileage with almost no intensity, a taper is just going to hurt you at this point. If you had 40 mpw with 2-3 good, solid workouts and cut back towards 30 mpw slightly curtailing the volume of repeats in the hard sessions...you might see a slight benefit. At 40mpw and running easy there is nothing to be gained by even a modest taper. All taper benefits are modest though, perhaps 1-2% at most. Doing no running is not a taper. That's called not training. Show nested quote +On May 17 2015 08:33 WoolySheep wrote:
I also feel like I am focusing too much on the numbers because now I can't seem to come close to that number, even after having increased my mileage.
First, it sounds like you took a relative break until Christmas, and only recently have begun hitting decent mileage in the 40mpw zone. It takes a while for benefits to start kicking in, and you're only doing easy runs. Expecting really great form right now isn't realistic. Keep up the training and start adding in some workouts and by July you'll be running much better than you ever have. That's compounded by the fact that you just took two weeks off. Not coming close to an all time PR after multiple weeks off is expected, and would be very shocking if you could beat that. Additionally 3.5M in 24:30 after a hard 4 miles earlier in the day isn't much worse, if at all worse, than a 6:00 mile. You're not far off where you were. One final word...don't do fitness tests on the treadmill, they are great for workouts, but not for fitness testing. You don't get any experience with pacing, there is no wind, and most importantly they are notoriously inaccurate. I've been on treadmills where I could cruise a 3M tempo in 18:00, or others where 3M in 19:30 would have been all out race pace. In summary: You're in a good spot laying down some nice base with fitness coming along well. Just keep training, start getting some workouts in there, and focus on 1:35 as a goal time for your half marathon. You'll be running very strong by fall.
Thanks for the advice. I guess I was targeting a 1:30 HM as I thought it would be cool, and for some reason I still can't get my head around how running 10-15 seconds faster per mile is any kind of improvement. As for the 2 week stoppage, I know it wasn't a taper, but I though that the rest might do me some good (it did fix the nagging ankle sprain I had suffered a month ago). I'll target 1:35 or 1:37 and let you guys know ym progress.
Thanks!
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On May 21 2015 05:01 WoolySheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2015 00:49 L_Master wrote:On May 17 2015 08:33 WoolySheep wrote:
Some background: Last year I ran a half marathon in the spring in just under 1:45. then in October I ran a 10K in 45:10 (a jump in VDOT of about 3 points)
Christmas I began training in earnest again and 2 weeks ago was up to running 40-45 miles per week (mostly treadmill as it was still winter in Canada). On May 17 2015 08:33 WoolySheep wrote:
I don't even want to sign up for the race in the fall now, seeing as I won't be able to break 1:30 for the half.
What exactly made you decide to target 1:30? Not to be discouraging but none of your race times suggest anything close to current 1:30 half ability. Drop a 19:30 5k or 40:00 10k and then you can start to think about 1:30. Right now I would say 1:35 is an ambitious, but not inconceivable goal. The only way you are breaking 1:30 in the fall is if you have some weight to lose and do a good job of that. On May 17 2015 08:33 WoolySheep wrote:
2 weeks ago, I went on vacation to Hawaii and didn't do much running, mostly hiking and walking on beaches. I got back on Wednesday. On May 17 2015 08:33 WoolySheep wrote:
On Friday I tried running outside for 10 miles and ended up stopping after 4 due to heat. Later that night I ran inside on the treadmill at a 7 min/mile clip to see how long I could run for and ended up doing 3.5 miles So, you took two weeks off from training and were disappointed that you weren't running as fast as you were two weeks ago? Ehm.....wat? I'm not really sure what you expected, but doing no training is not a taper. Your doing modest mileage with almost no intensity, a taper is just going to hurt you at this point. If you had 40 mpw with 2-3 good, solid workouts and cut back towards 30 mpw slightly curtailing the volume of repeats in the hard sessions...you might see a slight benefit. At 40mpw and running easy there is nothing to be gained by even a modest taper. All taper benefits are modest though, perhaps 1-2% at most. Doing no running is not a taper. That's called not training. On May 17 2015 08:33 WoolySheep wrote:
I also feel like I am focusing too much on the numbers because now I can't seem to come close to that number, even after having increased my mileage.
First, it sounds like you took a relative break until Christmas, and only recently have begun hitting decent mileage in the 40mpw zone. It takes a while for benefits to start kicking in, and you're only doing easy runs. Expecting really great form right now isn't realistic. Keep up the training and start adding in some workouts and by July you'll be running much better than you ever have. That's compounded by the fact that you just took two weeks off. Not coming close to an all time PR after multiple weeks off is expected, and would be very shocking if you could beat that. Additionally 3.5M in 24:30 after a hard 4 miles earlier in the day isn't much worse, if at all worse, than a 6:00 mile. You're not far off where you were. One final word...don't do fitness tests on the treadmill, they are great for workouts, but not for fitness testing. You don't get any experience with pacing, there is no wind, and most importantly they are notoriously inaccurate. I've been on treadmills where I could cruise a 3M tempo in 18:00, or others where 3M in 19:30 would have been all out race pace. In summary: You're in a good spot laying down some nice base with fitness coming along well. Just keep training, start getting some workouts in there, and focus on 1:35 as a goal time for your half marathon. You'll be running very strong by fall. Thanks for the advice. I guess I was targeting a 1:30 HM as I thought it would be cool, and for some reason I still can't get my head around how running 10-15 seconds faster per mile is any kind of improvement. As for the 2 week stoppage, I know it wasn't a taper, but I though that the rest might do me some good (it did fix the nagging ankle sprain I had suffered a month ago). I'll target 1:35 or 1:37 and let you guys know ym progress. Thanks!
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Thats HUGE improvement. The difference between a 4:30 and a 4:45 miler are huge, as would be the differences between a 2:37 and a 2:45 marathon.
I'll put it this way: if you're 5 s/mile faster than someone your noticeably stronger. A 19:15 5k guy is almost never going to beat a 19:00 guy. 15 s/mile is in a different league. 13:00 5k makes you world class, 13:45 doesn't even make you a threat in tough college races. 30 s/mile is a completely different runner. A guy that runs 15:30 for 5k can do a relaxed 4-5 mile tempo run at the same pace a 17:00 5k runner can race all out for 5k.
So yes, in the running world 15 s/mile is a very nice improvement. I think just about any runner would be satisfied with a 15 s/mile improvement per training cycle.
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On May 20 2015 07:00 mtmentat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 05:04 Don_Julio wrote:On May 18 2015 15:07 L_Master wrote:Successful day, finally got to run with sir mtmentat today. Did a fairly mountainous loop called Section 16. He dropped me hard on the steep stuff (about a mile of very rocky 20% grade), and then we had some fun flying down the nice descent. Cool guy. Next up on the meet list: YPang. I'm jelly. Section 16 is a shitty name for a trail though. Ha - it's a pretty well-known bit of trail around CO Springs, many thanks to L_Master for introducing me to it. He didn't mention that he brought a friend who pushed my arse all the way up the steep stuff. Beware his down-hill speed, too!! It was fun to meet up IRL, 10/10 would do again (and hope that L_Master or any of the rest of you will consider letting me know if you're in Boulder/Denver!).
I'll pay you visit when I run Leaville.
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On May 24 2015 01:33 Don_Julio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2015 07:00 mtmentat wrote:On May 19 2015 05:04 Don_Julio wrote:On May 18 2015 15:07 L_Master wrote:Successful day, finally got to run with sir mtmentat today. Did a fairly mountainous loop called Section 16. He dropped me hard on the steep stuff (about a mile of very rocky 20% grade), and then we had some fun flying down the nice descent. Cool guy. Next up on the meet list: YPang. I'm jelly. Section 16 is a shitty name for a trail though. Ha - it's a pretty well-known bit of trail around CO Springs, many thanks to L_Master for introducing me to it. He didn't mention that he brought a friend who pushed my arse all the way up the steep stuff. Beware his down-hill speed, too!! It was fun to meet up IRL, 10/10 would do again (and hope that L_Master or any of the rest of you will consider letting me know if you're in Boulder/Denver!). I'll pay you visit when I run Leaville.
Definitely do let me know when visiting. 'Missed getting in touch with L_Master this past weekend, but had a good Bolder Boulder = 36 minutes! No real race report, except to say that if you feel good in a race and you're passing people you normally don't, maybe your mini taper and fitness are doing the work for you!
Excited for the Dirty 30 this Saturday!!!
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On May 27 2015 22:28 mtmentat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 01:33 Don_Julio wrote:On May 20 2015 07:00 mtmentat wrote:On May 19 2015 05:04 Don_Julio wrote:On May 18 2015 15:07 L_Master wrote:Successful day, finally got to run with sir mtmentat today. Did a fairly mountainous loop called Section 16. He dropped me hard on the steep stuff (about a mile of very rocky 20% grade), and then we had some fun flying down the nice descent. Cool guy. Next up on the meet list: YPang. I'm jelly. Section 16 is a shitty name for a trail though. Ha - it's a pretty well-known bit of trail around CO Springs, many thanks to L_Master for introducing me to it. He didn't mention that he brought a friend who pushed my arse all the way up the steep stuff. Beware his down-hill speed, too!! It was fun to meet up IRL, 10/10 would do again (and hope that L_Master or any of the rest of you will consider letting me know if you're in Boulder/Denver!). I'll pay you visit when I run Leaville. Definitely do let me know when visiting. 'Missed getting in touch with L_Master this past weekend, but had a good Bolder Boulder = 36 minutes! No real race report, except to say that if you feel good in a race and you're passing people you normally don't, maybe your mini taper and fitness are doing the work for you! Excited for the Dirty 30 this Saturday!!!
Yea that was a sweet run on a not easy course. Definitely close to, and quite possible in, sub 17 shape. Good pacing too, you always seem to have that down solid in your races.
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On May 27 2015 22:28 mtmentat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 01:33 Don_Julio wrote:On May 20 2015 07:00 mtmentat wrote:On May 19 2015 05:04 Don_Julio wrote:On May 18 2015 15:07 L_Master wrote:Successful day, finally got to run with sir mtmentat today. Did a fairly mountainous loop called Section 16. He dropped me hard on the steep stuff (about a mile of very rocky 20% grade), and then we had some fun flying down the nice descent. Cool guy. Next up on the meet list: YPang. I'm jelly. Section 16 is a shitty name for a trail though. Ha - it's a pretty well-known bit of trail around CO Springs, many thanks to L_Master for introducing me to it. He didn't mention that he brought a friend who pushed my arse all the way up the steep stuff. Beware his down-hill speed, too!! It was fun to meet up IRL, 10/10 would do again (and hope that L_Master or any of the rest of you will consider letting me know if you're in Boulder/Denver!). I'll pay you visit when I run Leaville. Definitely do let me know when visiting. 'Missed getting in touch with L_Master this past weekend, but had a good Bolder Boulder = 36 minutes! No real race report, except to say that if you feel good in a race and you're passing people you normally don't, maybe your mini taper and fitness are doing the work for you! Excited for the Dirty 30 this Saturday!!!
Saw that at Strava. Imagine what you could do at a flat course at sea level.
Speaking of "mini taper". I have my last 10k next friday before I focus on marathon training. It's kind of important to me because I think I've made a lot of progress in the last two months and I want to use the result to determine the marathon pace I have to prepare for.
I will run a 10k tempo tomorrow (if I have the balls to actually finish this time). What I plan to do atm is:
F: 10k tempo
S: ~15k @recovery pace
S:rest
M: 5x1k
T: ~7-8k rec
W: easy +strides
T: rest
F: race
I've only tried running the day before the race once and it backfired hard so I'm a little hesitant to do that.
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The Pre Classic is tomorrow, and both the 5k and especially the 10k look very interesting. Mo Farah, unbeaten at 10k since 2011, will return to the track after losing a 3000m race a few weeks ago. Does this mean he's mortal now? I sure friggin' hope so. But I can't wait to watch and find out!
On the 5k front, I'm hoping everyone but Cam Levins gets run over by a truck and he strolls to the win.
Anyone else tuning in?
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On May 29 2015 13:26 Bonham wrote:
The Pre Classic is tomorrow, and both the 5k and especially the 10k look very interesting. Mo Farah, unbeaten at 10k since 2011, will return to the track after losing a 3000m race a few weeks ago. Does this mean he's mortal now? I sure friggin' hope so. But I can't wait to watch and find out!
On the 5k front, I'm hoping everyone but Cam Levins gets run over by a truck and he strolls to the win.
Anyone else tuning in?
Do I ever not tune in? :p
I think Farah will be mortal his next few races but get it figured out by August. That said, I don't think he loses this 10k unless the race goes sub 26:40 and it turns out he can't keep up. His kick was still very good a few weeks ago, just not untouchable as it has been. Against the 10k field no one can hang with that.
5k wise hoping for a good run from Galen, but expecting more 13:10 and out of contention a couple laps before the finish. Would be nice to see Cam do well, he did have that sick double back in the spring but I think has been a little off since then. Lets see if he has it back now.
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Hey Lmaster. Your advice on training cycles was helpful, thank you! I'm going to take your advice to building up towards a goal race in the Autumn, though this has been hamstrung a bit by what happened yesterday, which was my goal race for spring.
So my Snowdonia half marathon was yesterday, and it was going along really well. At the 8 mile marker I was in 6th place, closing towards 5th and 4th (my older brother) and feeling good, with nobody behind me in sight. The hardest hill (which was insane!) was well behind and it was quite plain sailing to the end. But a marshal misdirected me as well as others, and by the time it became clear the race was already completely screwed. A group of us, 3rd-8th place or so came together into a pack, and one of them was a local guy so he led the way down various trails to find a route to the finish line. But yeah... no race really. Which is a shame because I've never trained so hard, or been so focused, and was on to finish really well. Still feeling seriously disappointed.
Damn though, GrandInquisitor, that sounds like a seriously bad experience! You need to pace yourself to finish fairly comfortably next time imo, to regain the confidence over that distance. Would be great to know really why it happened, but it can be just that you pushed too far beyond your pace as it's very easy to do on race day, and the adrenaline/added determination of the race overpowered your body's warning systems until it was too late.
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I should be training for my triathlon on the 5th of July but for now im traveling a bit everywhere in france and its hard to start a training regimen.
I was extremely busy with work this year so the only sport i did since february is rock climbing twice a week, not ideal to prepare! My first biking run was last week, 80 km and 1600+m that went surprisingly well considering my training.
I'm in Paris for a couple of days and i had the most fantastic run I've ever had in this city.
Leaving from my old appartment i went to the Jardin des plantes, crossed the bridge to the notre dame cathedral continued to Beaubourg (museum of modern art) the Louvre, the tuileries garden, the Invalides garden, the national assembly building the Grand Palais, the Effeil tower... i feel i could have been payed to do this tour and let people follow me :D
The last notable place i crossed was the montparnasse cemetery, it might be strange for some people that never been there but its one of my favorite place in Paris.
All in all it was 17km and one of theses day it's impossible not to love this city. I logged it on strava with a couple of pictures as well if anyone is interested http://app.strava.com/activities/316077266
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On June 01 2015 21:08 ImbaTosS wrote:
Hey Lmaster. Your advice on training cycles was helpful, thank you! I'm going to take your advice to building up towards a goal race in the Autumn, though this has been hamstrung a bit by what happened yesterday, which was my goal race for spring.
So my Snowdonia half marathon was yesterday, and it was going along really well. At the 8 mile marker I was in 6th place, closing towards 5th and 4th (my older brother) and feeling good, with nobody behind me in sight. The hardest hill (which was insane!) was well behind and it was quite plain sailing to the end. But a marshal misdirected me as well as others, and by the time it became clear the race was already completely screwed. A group of us, 3rd-8th place or so came together into a pack, and one of them was a local guy so he led the way down various trails to find a route to the finish line. But yeah... no race really. Which is a shame because I've never trained so hard, or been so focused, and was on to finish really well. Still feeling seriously disappointed.
Damn though, GrandInquisitor, that sounds like a seriously bad experience! You need to pace yourself to finish fairly comfortably next time imo, to regain the confidence over that distance. Would be great to know really why it happened, but it can be just that you pushed too far beyond your pace as it's very easy to do on race day, and the adrenaline/added determination of the race overpowered your body's warning systems until it was too late.
Nice stuff Elegant, sounds like you were having a solid run; definitely a shame about being misdirected. Did you have a GPS/GPS watch to at least get some idea of the pace you ran over the distance you ended up having to cover? Of course it's nicer to have an official finish time and result, but if you covered say 20k in 78 minutes you have a pretty good idea that you're good for 1:22 shape.
Even if you didn't on the plus side you've built fitness and confidence with a nice, solid training cycle. Next race can be even better!
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So I just started doing a bit of running again (not very far or fast yet :p), but I've found it's putting more stress on my lower back than I think it should.
I guess that means I'm running a bit wrong somehow, anyone brighter than me have any ideas how?
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Maybe you should try some simple core training exercise? I know it helped me a lot with my posture and back pains.
I'll let people more qualified than me talk about running form :D
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I don't lack core strength, pretty sure that's not it
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On June 02 2015 19:43 marvellosity wrote:
So I just started doing a bit of running again (not very far or fast yet :p), but I've found it's putting more stress on my lower back than I think it should.
I guess that means I'm running a bit wrong somehow, anyone brighter than me have any ideas how?
Could be form, but just as likely not. Certainly nothing we would be able to diagnose over the internet unfortunately. Best you can do is focus on the general form keys: quick, explosive footstrike, foot landing under COG, etc.
The most likely explanation to me is that given running is impact exercise, your back is being subject to new stress that it wasn't before and is thus sore in the same way your muscles become sore after lifting weights. If you're running regularly and it doesn't improve in a week or two...then consider form/core/muscle imbalance.
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