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On May 15 2015 21:38 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 21:34 Pandemona wrote:
Im not defending that English teams would walk the competition if they tried that is clearly evident they would not, but im sure if the English teams could have a gap of 3 days and not 2 they would take the competition better. They should squeeze Europa to be played the same day imo as the Champions league but i guess TV deals would get shot then, that is a good solution. Who knows maybe the tiny prize pool increase might make England go for it more. Huh? Doesn't the PL have sunday games? Bundesliga has the EL teams play sunday and if necessary moves a third game so they have three days rest.
Thursday night.
Friday Saturday
Play Sunday
Wednesday champions league u play Sunday 90% of time.
Thurs Friday Saturday
You get 3 days rest normally when you play champions league game, you only get 2 days rest for Europa games plus the travelling in the group stage can be ridiculous.
On May 15 2015 22:13 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 21:40 Steveling wrote:On May 15 2015 21:16 Ysellian wrote:
Man Utd threw the competition a couple years ago and City... well they suck in Europe. It is quite funny that the one team that really made it their goal to win the competition was Chelsea and they ended up winning it, so there is definitely some truth in the fact that English teams aren't bothered. How can you arrive at the conclusion you did after the facts you showed us.
Chelsea was the only team that won cause they are the only decent english team atm. man.c are chokers and man.u, well we all know why they suck now. Not then they weren't, Chelsea were third in the league 14 points off from United, that chelsea was likely the worst Chelsea in the last decade. Spurs is a great example too, when they managed to qualify for the champions league they gave everyone a run for their money and yet in the Europa league they are getting dismantled left and right.
Exactly. Spurs and Bale in that year made me so nervous because i thought, fuck our mortal enemies might go further than us. The way they played against Milan and gave Real a good going over was more than valiant considering it was there first time in the top competition.
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So, Bielsa Athletic Bilbao outclassed MUnited in a two leg series with 5 - 3, because MUtd didn't care about the tournament.. Ferguson used the habitual startup players but they loosed against that coordinated bielsa team with Llorente and Javi Martinez because they didn't try at all to win. Of course.
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On May 15 2015 22:23 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 21:38 sneirac wrote:On May 15 2015 21:34 Pandemona wrote:
Im not defending that English teams would walk the competition if they tried that is clearly evident they would not, but im sure if the English teams could have a gap of 3 days and not 2 they would take the competition better. They should squeeze Europa to be played the same day imo as the Champions league but i guess TV deals would get shot then, that is a good solution. Who knows maybe the tiny prize pool increase might make England go for it more. Huh? Doesn't the PL have sunday games? Bundesliga has the EL teams play sunday and if necessary moves a third game so they have three days rest. Thursday night. Friday Saturday Play Sunday Wednesday champions league u play Sunday 90% of time. Thurs Friday Saturday You get 3 days rest normally when you play champions league game, you only get 2 days rest for Europa games plus the travelling in the group stage can be ridiculous.
Ah I misunderstood that, I thought you meant Thursday -> Saturday.
But that is the same as it is for German (Spain too I think) teams then, CL teams that play Wednesday usually are not specifically schedules for Sunday. The key thing are the two rest days between games.
As with rescheduling EL games, I think that would be possible. Playing some on Wednesday two hours before CL starts would work. I don't think that would hurt the ratings of either that much. Additionally EL scheduling does not seem that smart in the first place. Until the semifinals they had a 19h and 21h game, in the semifinals they play both at 21h.
Edit: Additionally to the rest days thing, that only works if you draw the Tuesday game first if there are consecutive CL week as have been in the playoffs.
Tuesday -> Saturday -> Wednesday = 3 rest days each
Wednesday -> Saturday -> Tuesday = 2 rest days each
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On May 15 2015 22:46 haitike wrote:
So, Bielsa Athletic Bilbao outclassed MUnited in a two leg series with 5 - 3, because MUtd didn't care about the tournament.. Ferguson used the habitual startup players but they loosed against that coordinated bielsa team with Llorente and Javi Martinez because they didn't try at all to win. Of course.
Of course United tried to win, but there is a difference in preparation and work-rate in the EL compared to the CL. United that season lost at home against Ajax and over the two legs looked the inferior side even. Beating a united side that should have lost against ajax 5-3 with the likes of Llorente and Javi Martinez in your team is almost expected. That said, United that season were pretty poor in Europe in general.
Anyway how this is even a controversial statement, English sides earn more money being a single league spot higher than winning the EL. Also the English teams besides Chelsea that reached the finals were Fulham and Middlesbrough, teams that were midtable or facing relegation battle. Are we really going to suggest that the subtop english teams couldn't accomplish similar feats?
Don't get me wrong though, I don't think the subtop are on a similar level than Sevilla, Bilbao then and Valencia. Teams like Chelsea, Arsenal and United would need to play their A game to beat them.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah indeed in the playoffs that does happen, but i guess thats when the true test should come anyway? Not really be any complaints by any team if they playing that schedule.
However when you add in the fact that winning the Europa League is like being champion of the "2nd tier" of Europe and the prize pool involved compared to individual leagues its not as nice.
I agree with that EL schedule could probably do as you suggest and play the games before the Champions League on the Tuesday/Weds would be excellent that. Could have your 5/6pm kicks off following by a 8/9pm kick off for champs league games.
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Yeah i dont think you can criticize English clubs for poor Europa league performances. Lets he honest the interest in it is pretty abysmal compared to domestic leagues.
A good way for me to guage how much a club cares about a tournament is about how much we as spectators care about them.
You dont really need to delve into to much off a money argument outside of that fact. You can and its great to know, but I dont think you have to.
Its really not that important. That having been said its not like English teams are rocking the boat in the CL either the past few years.
Italy going past them anytime soon is not a legitimate concern.
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Some poeple were saying the same about Germany. See what happened.
The next 2 seasons(10/11 and 11/12) that will be deleted from the coefitient are extremely weak for Italy and pretty stong for England. The difference is 10ish points in favour of England. When these seasons get deleted basically England and Italy will be on equal footing. That means that one more season like this year's and England will have 3 teams in the CL.
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ye to me it's like, English performance in the past years of CL indicates that it's not like they could just try and then suddenly they'd dominate the EL. But just being a semi-supporter of an English team and having lots of friends who are real supporters of English teams, it's absolutely evident that the EL is hugely down prioritized. I can imagine that now with EL winner getting CL spot, it's gonna be way different (especially if we get a season where all the top PL teams are having good seasons, then for like, Liverpool or Tottenham, if they're trailing 10 pts behind #4th in February, it might seem more plausible for them to try to win the EL than to get top 4 in PL. Not saying that winning EL is easier than getting top 4 PL, not at all - just that there are possible scenarios where at a certain stage of the season, winning the EL will seem easier.
Manchester United still isn't gonna care though. But I don't think that's exclusive to them. I think if Barcelona or Real Madrid or Bayern Munchen suddenly for some reason had a disasterous season coupled with tough group where they got 3rd in their CL group, and then later on in the season they had to choose between fielding the best team for the EL semi final or a possibly decisive league game, all of those teams would prioritize the league game. The top teams don't particularly care about getting second or third place in the league - only trophies actually matter - and they don't particularly care about winning secondary trophies either. For example, the league cup only matters for teams that a) can't win other trophies or b) already won other, more important trophies. Same applies to the EL. For a team like Sevilla, I think if they have to choose between fighting for top 4 in spain or a spot in the EL finals, they might go for the EL finals.
Edit: and I think with how the PL situation is looking right now, a team like Tottenham might have better chances at getting a CL spot through EL victory than through top four in the League. I just kinda have the feeling, although I can't really justify it, that the manchesters, liverpool, arsenal and chelsea are all likely to improve at a faster pace than them, and that top 4 will seem kinda out of reach from the mid-season onwards.
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Problem for EL is that big teams it is the "league of loosers" and small teams see it as a disadvantage.
FC Augsburg will most likely make EL this year what is kinda bad for them next season. They are a solid team with great coaching but they dont have the depth to make 10 to 15 more games a season. So they either send the second unit to EL or risk to fight against relegation.
The only sollution i see is to either limit the EL games or reward the teams with more money so they can get more players if they make EL.
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You are really going to tell me that a team like Tottenham, Liverpool and Everton, who win tournaments like... Never, really doesnt care about the europa league ?
MAYBE it could be true for a team that wins tournaments left, right and center (and even then, im not 100% sure).
Come on... I understand you do have to prioritize if its get to a decisive point (relegation/championship match vs EL), but, at least from the start, you want to win it a 100%, especially if your chances of winning any cup, any time, are close to 0.
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On May 16 2015 15:58 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Problem for EL is that big teams it is the "league of loosers" and small teams see it as a disadvantage.
FC Augsburg will most likely make EL this year what is kinda bad for them next season. They are a solid team with great coaching but they dont have the depth to make 10 to 15 more games a season. So they either send the second unit to EL or risk to fight against relegation.
The only sollution i see is to either limit the EL games or reward the teams with more money so they can get more players if they make EL.
It is true that Europa League can punish medium/small teams with not squad depth. Sevilla or Valencia doesn't have any problems playing the tournament, but smaller teams can be demolished.
A good example is Real Betis:
2010: #1 in 2nd division
2011: #13 in La liga
2012: #7 in La liga
2013: #20 in La liga (Played Europa League, Reached quarter-finals and loosed at penalties in the Sevillian derby)
2014: #1 in 2nd division right now
You can see how the ascendant progress of the team was demolished by Europe League. From 2010 to 2013 Pepe Mel was the coach. he was fired last year at mid-season when the team was in the last position, but still alive at EL. He has returned this year as coach to the team, and he is going to promote Betis for the second time on his career.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/i1vVD/01347796b0.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/V3uM8F8.png) Team NewsDniproOut Mazuch, Zozulya Possible Lineup Boyko; Fedetskiy, Douglas, Cheberyachko, Léo Matos; Kankava, Rotan, Fedorchuk, Matheus, Konoplyanka; Kalinić. SevillaOut Pareja (knee) Possible Lineup Rico; Coke, Carriço, Kolodziejczak, Trémoulinas; Mbia, Krychowiak; Aleix Vidal, Banega, Vitolo; Bacca.
Poll: Who Wins?Sevilla (5) 63% Dnipro (3) 38% 8 total votes Your vote: Who Wins? (Vote): Dnipro
(Vote): Sevilla
Poll: Number of Goals?Over 1,5 (3) 75% Under 1,5 (1) 25% 4 total votes Your vote: Number of Goals? (Vote): Under 1,5
(Vote): Over 1,5
Poll: Game ends in......regular time (5) 100% ...extra time (0) 0% ....penalties (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Game ends in... (Vote): ...regular time
(Vote): ...extra time
(Vote): ....penalties
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The second poll is rather confusing since you can just vote once ^^
Sevilla should win this easily.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah i know i guess its more do u think 90mins in 1.5 goals + / - or do you think extra time / penalties xD
I didn't want to type out 1-0 1-1 2-1 etcetc xD
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Yeah, thought of sth like this:
[Panda Edit]
Ok i use yours 
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who the heck is that other team in the final? o.O
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Wow i almost completely forget this exists.
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Well I am as interested in the EL as English clubs are. ^^
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On May 16 2015 18:16 Faruko wrote:
You are really going to tell me that a team like Tottenham, Liverpool and Everton, who win tournaments like... Never, really doesnt care about the europa league ?
Maybe but I am sure they (english teams) dont care about financial profit of EL. A total of ~6m € if you win the EC cup. CL Entrance give you already 8m € ^^ (12m next season)
Wolfsburg complained few months ago that they doesnt make money in EL in every EL round.
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